Respectfully until the rest of the world develops the capacity for solar panel manufacture at competitive prices you are just kowtowing to Beijing instead of Washington.

That’s not to say turning to solar and away from the US is a bad thing at the moment but let’s not pretend China won’t have significant influence over your energy sector when you focus on solar.

It's not the same at all. Buying a solar panel does not create an ongoing relationship of dependence.

Also I’ll add it’s not the same assuming your energy demand is relatively slow or flat. If you expect fast growth in demand because you are industrializing and developing, as many of the importers of Chinese PV are, then you are more reliant on continuous imports.

It is not the same in that the frequency of which you have to import something is different but you are still reliant on imports for energy production unless you have domestic production of solar panels. Solar panels break or you may need more to increase generation and in the current world …

Sure, but there's nothing intrinsic about China that makes PV production only possible there. Other centers of manufacturing will emerge. It's already happening. It's just not analogous to fossil fuels.

PV manufacture is possible elsewhere but there is a lot that makes PV production in China more competitive and so cheaper. Specifically, the existing scale of production there, their industrial policy and support for PV industry specifically, and that the best electronics manufacturers are Chinese

the rapid advance of this tech means that if you decide you needed to build domestic solar supply the capital needed to do so and the absolute efficiency loss relative to global bleeding edge becomes less relevant by the year.

that means you are dependent on China given their control of the market. Also in some ways the dependence on Beijing is actually stickier because there are fewer exporters of solar panels and the cost to start production may relatively higher and harder. …

Recognizing that is important. And yet if I were in charge of an African country I’d be importing as much Chinese solar as possible. You and I agree on that.

What you don't burn, your brother will. Buying solar not only enriches big oil with the fossil fuel used to make the solar, it also creates an opportunity for conservatives to differentiate themselves from you, and it creates opportunity for big oil to open up new markets.

Holy shit this is stupid. I mean yikes on bikes this is dumb!

You wouldn’t know stupid if it ran you over.

We'll never know. Never been run over. Unblemished record of not being run over. Too smart for that.

it's the survival of the luckiest out there

No, he’s right, this is really dumb. Didn’t you read the articles he posted? Country after country is moving away from fossil fuels. What new markets are you talking about?

If it’s dumb, the article must have been equally dumb to be threatened by it. No, I did not need to read an article by David Roberts; they are all the same; none mention the keeling curve.

That's right Paul! We can never replace any X with any Y because the X will just get cheaper and remain competitive forever! It's Economics 201! ... As they say, the Stone Age didn't end because we ran out of rocks.

You are going to trust Econ 101 with our survival?

Nonsubstantial response

That you cannot answer.

It wouldn't mean anything to answer. It's a non-sequitur to what either of us are arguing. But you have no substance behind what you're saying

Actually David walked you through all the brothers and no one wants ur lng

Walked me through? Wtf does that mean?

What don't you understand about how solar, wind, hydro and other renewable sources are used to create the energy to make the infrastructure they require.

Nothing we learn about producing renewables with fossil fuel applies when fossil fuel is artificially scarce.

It does not end any dependence either.