Here is a difficult graph to read. Each dot is the correlation between year and six death rates for single year ages from 0 through 84. 🧪💡☠️ #Sociology click +ALT for more.
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I’m stuck with the thought that you might have just given a graph which is a double blind study on the (in)efficacy of prayer.
may 25, 2025, 5:10 am • 1 0 • view
I love stimulating thinking like that. That is the kind of thinking this group is very good at creating. I think I will attach it to this if I post it again.
may 25, 2025, 6:37 am • 1 0 • view
TL;DR: The chart correlates state politics to state death rates at each age. These are shown as correlation strength, not death-rates, shown. Conclusion: People in Democratic states are taken care of through middle age. In Republican-dominated states they are not, especially not if they're women.
may 24, 2025, 9:06 pm • 4 0 • view
Looks pretty clear to me, sheesh.
may 24, 2025, 10:27 pm • 1 0 • view
Thank you. Maybe we have a misunderstanding here: I meant: what is the reason for resistance against general health care in the US, not, what is the reason for the drop in life expectancy.
may 24, 2025, 8:39 pm • 1 0 • view
Everything in the US becomes clear once one understands that racism is driving everything. Poor white Americans rather go without health insurance than have those brown people get a free ride.
may 24, 2025, 10:38 pm • 0 0 • view
Racism was created to justify slavery, when slavery was ended, the rich shifted the promotion of racism to using it to divide the rest of the population politically and economically. The best book on this is a difficult to read one by O. C. Cox, "Caste, Class, and Racism".
may 24, 2025, 10:45 pm • 2 0 • view
I am convinced there are two major reasons. The first in causing years of life lost is Evangelical religions using ineffective prayer. The second is middle age private health insurance. I am still trying to figure out how to untangle effects to attach numbers to each.
may 26, 2025, 12:31 pm • 0 0 • view
The first reason is that the health insurance industry makes more money by denying care. The second reason is Evangelicals believe in prayer for health care. It doesn't work.
may 24, 2025, 8:50 pm • 0 0 • view
For the middle age the resistance if health insurance is so expensive that many of us are uninsured and they have a system of denying care. The high dots show where death rates have been going up since 1999 the low dots have been going down. Insurance denying care and Evangelicals praying are cause
may 24, 2025, 8:45 pm • 1 0 • view
I mean resistance of politicians against introducing a health care system that would cover everybody. Why does any politician in the US oppose such a system? I'm in Germany. I'll soon become 64. I've never been uninsured. It's normal and undisputed between parties. Strange it's even a topic in USA.
may 24, 2025, 9:10 pm • 0 0 • view
The health insurance industry pays them well to do it and funds much of their political campaigns. Also if you go to any media and search for United States death rates they always put it all together. In the United States making more and more money is dominant.
may 24, 2025, 9:14 pm • 1 0 • view
There are a couple of ways to put this, but it comes down to people not wanting to pay for anything for someone they consider undeserving.
may 24, 2025, 9:15 pm • 12 2 • view
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may 25, 2025, 10:24 am • 0 0 • view
The truth is the people you are talking about are simply not the decision makers.
may 24, 2025, 9:54 pm • 0 0 • view
But they elect the decision makers.
may 24, 2025, 10:17 pm • 0 0 • view
That is a popular belief but the health insurance industry making money out of it is what drives the decision makers. The example of death rates for age 85+ clearly shows the money making force behind it. 🧪💡☠️ #Sociology
may 24, 2025, 9:50 pm • 14 1 • view
Oh I totally agree that the money force a big factor. I think there is kind of a two-step that happens. One set of forces pushes policymakers in the direction you cite. That then gets sold to the populace with cultural messages about “deserving” and “choice”.
may 24, 2025, 9:54 pm • 0 0 • view
The powerless simply do not make the decisions. To end the long level death rate in the graph I posted, the elderly had to lobby for over a decade to get the turn-around.
may 24, 2025, 9:58 pm • 0 0 • view
The money force by itself can’t be said out loud by policymakers, but the cultural one can. It’s part of the same cluster of cultural messages as “welfare queens” living it up at the expense of good god-fearing working men and women.
may 24, 2025, 9:58 pm • 0 0 • view
The Deadly Spin chapter I recommended earlier is by an insider involved in the process of shifting the health insurance industry's profit source to the middle aged when elderly lobbying undid their making money out of killing the elderly early for a quarter of a century. It hit whites hardest.
may 24, 2025, 10:05 pm • 0 0 • view
I should check that out but it doesn’t surprise me a bit. You can convince people to self harm in all kinds of ways if it also harms people they don’t like.
may 24, 2025, 10:11 pm • 0 0 • view
You remind me of the Evangelicals I could not get to look at data.
may 24, 2025, 10:13 pm • 0 0 • view
The destructive attitude of “Don’t bother me with facts. I have a story.”
may 24, 2025, 10:16 pm • 0 0 • view
Maybe here is a point where European and US cultures differ fundamentally. To me, this American way of thinking appears hartless, cold and even cruel, very repulsive.
may 25, 2025, 4:05 pm • 0 0 • view
I don’t want to give the impression that this attitude about “undeserving” is pervasive, just that it is common enough to matter. And it is highly concentrated in Trump supporters, who have the reigns of power right now.
may 25, 2025, 4:16 pm • 1 0 • view
Of course. It is clear that the American public is divided and that US culture is not a monolith (neither is European culture).
may 25, 2025, 4:20 pm • 0 0 • view
And anyone who needs help is undeserving!???
may 25, 2025, 3:18 pm • 0 0 • view
The less bad way of thinking about that is that there is a relatively common belief that people will free ride if given the chance, and that is so morally repugnant and justifies restricting access even if some deserving people don’t get help.
may 24, 2025, 9:17 pm • 3 0 • view
Seems to me that we are here at one of the core problems of the US. The "American Dream" means that if you work hard, you deserve. Since this does no longer work (for complex reasons), people are ashamed they don't make it. Then Mr. T. promisses them all kinds of bullshit and they become believers.
may 24, 2025, 9:35 pm • 0 0 • view
Elsewhere, you "deserve" simply because you are a human being. It is part of your basic human dignity. For example, the first sentence in the German constitution is: "Human dignity is inviolable." We have come there the hard way, through a phase of fashism.
may 24, 2025, 9:39 pm • 0 0 • view
We are getting our phase now.
may 24, 2025, 9:42 pm • 0 0 • view
Working hard still *can* work, but random chance and genetic good fortune has always played a bigger role than people liked to believe. Then Cheeto Benito tells them that “those people” are at fault for whatever and it’s ok to be an asshole and people find that freeing.
may 24, 2025, 9:41 pm • 0 0 • view
The reality behind that is that the undeserving, by total coincidence surely 🙄, are black, brown or anything but white Christians.
may 24, 2025, 9:26 pm • 3 0 • view
People won’t say it, and probably don’t believe it of themselves, but support for any program drops dramatically the more it helps “those undeserving people”, but programs that help “us” aren’t even categorized the same way as government assistance.
may 24, 2025, 9:32 pm • 2 0 • view
To me the attitude is similar to people who assume all homeless are scammers and so never give money while I see it the total opposite way, I am not going to dismiss 99 legit needs because 1 out of a 100 might be dishonest. Naive? So be it, but I would rather think better of my fellow man than that.
may 24, 2025, 10:07 pm • 0 0 • view
You are reality driven, not someone out to look for a way to make themselves feel better by putting others down.
may 24, 2025, 10:08 pm • 1 0 • view
I’m with you on that for sure. But I think a lot of people are driven by the anecdotes about the one rather than the statistics about the 99.
may 24, 2025, 10:14 pm • 1 0 • view
Well, that makes more interesting reading than people just being normal honest citizens fallen on hard times. 🙃 I think too because of their apathy they cannot see it could be them there, one step from a disaster that wrecks your life.
may 24, 2025, 10:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Is this Sociology, or is it Scientology?
may 24, 2025, 9:24 pm • 0 0 • view
WOW!
may 24, 2025, 11:00 pm • 0 0 • view
Those three letters and ! made me feel good.
may 24, 2025, 11:16 pm • 1 0 • view
That's lovely : )
may 25, 2025, 1:09 am • 0 0 • view
words make nice toys.
may 25, 2025, 1:10 am • 1 0 • view