There is one thing I have come to understand: When folks say they want Democrats to move closer to the center, they really only want Dems to throw trans people under the bus. Full stop. Every time.
There is one thing I have come to understand: When folks say they want Democrats to move closer to the center, they really only want Dems to throw trans people under the bus. Full stop. Every time.
I would like establishment Dems to move closer to the center. Or as it’s called in the US, “the radical left”.
F that! Most are already so far to the right they don't even realize they changed parties. We need young blood elected!
They want more John Fettermans 😭 Like ok diet republican
Maybe We need to make our own center, not what others say!
The school sports issue is more complicated than that. I don’t think anyone can say that Newsom is not a LGBTQ ally. For many parents this particular issue is weighted by factors that have nothing to do with being anti trans. We have to understand that.
no it isn’t. yes we can.
They’d rather throw trans people under the bus than change any of their wildly unpopular policies. Guess it’s easier to cling to power when you villainize the marginalized instead of taking a risk and doing what most voters actually want: for politicians to abandon their corporate overlords
This is a horrible take. When I think of moving towards the middle I think of not dismissing young men, not having a forklift holding up a fence in the border, not having everything be about identity politics.
I am not trans, but I'm very familiar with Niemoller. Eventually they get a bigger bus.
It's not throwing them under the bus to want women's sports to be played by biological women due to the physical advantage men have going through puberty as men. Can't just ignore science when it doesn't fit your narrative, that is what the Republicans do.
“If you would just let us do what we want to do to trans people, we will let the rest of you live in peace” is not a policy I am willing to accept.
I agree. Especially since 1) They have never even met a trans person or talked to them to understand their thoughts and feelings and 2) trans are less than 1% of the population. It's just an ugly distraction by GOP so their voters will go along with rest of horrible things they are doing.
It’s disgusting. The gop is targeting already vulnerable children in an attempt to fire up the base. Doesn’t get lower than that
Let us not forget that 3) this promise has always been a lie and 4) anyone who tells you they will keep you safe if you obey is already hurting you
I agree. Give in now, and they will keep moving the line. These people tell themselves "Just one more compromise of my values, and then they'll stop." And do it again next compromise is demanded. And again. They'll rationalize that if someone else takes their place, they'd be way worse.
Agree 💯 percent. These are individuals we're talking about, not inanimate objects to be placed somewhere out of sight.
It’s trans people one day, then immigrants, then…it never stops
It’s also a lie. We are seeing, in real time all of the goals of Project 2025 becoming actual policy. We no longer have personal lives.
The people who lost the gay marriage battle want to take out all their hatred on trans people.
Can you explain this fascination with trans People? I suspect that 99% of the people complaining have never met a trans person. And if they have, what threat is it to them? I just don’t understand it. Can somebody explain it?
they fundamentally lack two important things: imagination and empathy. coincidentally this is also why all their media is complete dogshit
Yup. It's why there's such a huge block of unaffiliated voters. DNC doesn't set itself apart from the RNC enough. Even old Centrists look at the Democrats and wonder why they aren't actually "left" anymore. ( AOC, Sanders and Crockett are outliers)
Thank you for standing with us Jess ❤️
Agreed. I still, strongly, take issue with the fact anyone thinks Trans Rights are something worth fighting against. No one is negatively impacted by the existence of Trans People. They should be left free to pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness. Leave them the fuck alone.
To be clear, Trans Rights are, absolutely, worth fighting *for*. I take issue with the fact that we even need to talk about it; the Right has manufactured outrage over the mere existence of people who should, absolutely, in America, simply be allowed to exist as they are.
It is also not the truth. Once they win one battle they ALWAYS pick a new goal post. ALWAYS!
If anyone one believes that, ask them if they know anything about the Sudetenland
This household won't except that!
A similar logic is used when you hear someone say, "Our kids' school would be so much more... effective, at raising test scores, if the "special" students had a different school all to themselves."
Exactly. If you ask them what they mean, give an example. They will almost always say something about trans rights.
Center keeps moving right “Democrats are well paid to be affable losers” Barney Frank to Dylan Rattigan after being busted running a brothel because he used his Master Card to pay for? @said brothel
I have noticed that. God forbid we acknowledge the existence of trans people
I won't budge. I don't associate with people whose hatred makes me want to vomit.
Is your determination to not budge so strong you are willing to let the whole house burn down with everyone in it? That is what's happening here.
My support, once given, is inviolate. Anyone who is disabled knows what it's like to be thrown under the bus when convenient, both today and historically, and I will not support that for any reason, for anyone.
Are you saying being trans is equivalent to a disablity? I would hope you don't mean that. My question for you whether or not you're willing to risk ALL the gains the LGBTQ+ community has gained? That really is the issue here. Decades of progress, gone, because you don't have it all right now?
To the Repub party, they are equally despised & wanted dead a la 1933. There is no difference between any hated peoples in mass graves. Why don't you kill Nazis? They're the threat. You seriously think that backstabbing one group will lead to lack of death threats to others?
That's a bit extreme frankly & i'm not going to advocate killing anyone & you should not either. I'm not suggesting "backstabblng" any group, but in real life sometimes you have to prioritize & this is one of those times. If it's possible to preserve rights like marriage equality but requires....
You backstab or you don't. There's no need to wiggle around with it. Just own it. I think many more would have lived if Valkyrie had been successful.
Perhaps you've never had to negotiate any kind of contract, compromise or deal between two parties. As a former Union labor negotiator i learned our job was to do 3 things: 1) Get what we need right now to survive 2) Get set up for what our next goal is next negotiaion 3) Develop longer term goals
You think maybe make some priorities lower is backstabbing those folks? Well i think putting EVERYONE at maxium risk on an increasingly slim chance of getting 100% of ALL our goals is malpractice. It unfair to the majority and it would be, in essence, backstabbing everyone. Hard times/hard choices
I don't tell people they aren't priorities. They already know. A fine actor died because his elderly caretaker died. All the $ they must have had and no one checked on them. Not for weeks. That's what it means to be disabled/elderly (not a priority) in America.
...postponing something like Trans competition in girls sports then so be it. We can come to that later. The concept in an emergency is Triage & prioritization. You want to gamble all, double or nothing, up to you, but i'm not willing to do that. So, best of luck to you but that's how it is.
And fyi, suffragettes were told know equality for women "had to be postponed" from 1870 to 1920. Because "priorities".
Whatever, maybe if you actually have the responsiblity, as i have had, to move a group of varied interests you'll have a better grasp of what it takes to sustain forward movement. I'm sorry if you don't get instant gratification, i like it too, but i'm mature enough to know is very rare to achieve.
You can actually trust me not to backstab 50% of the population for 50 years. And I don't backstab old folks either. I think I can go without your approbation quite easily. Decency might even catch on. You never know. 😁
you saw how well "the untermenschen must die, for the sake of the Fatherland" panned out for the Democrats as a strategy last year, friend. what part about that outcome has you so eager to repeat it.
Thank you for your contribution 🤷♂️
No compromise on core values. Good job.
Punching down on the most punchable is never good policy.
The center has moved too far to the right. It’s time for the pendulum to swing back.
Yep. Unfortunately. Sad.
The center line has moved since the current Republican party is sitting on the line of Fascism. No, we need to move away and stop allowing the wealthy to continue to unbalance this country.
The thing is, from a distance it really looks like democrats are centre right... they just look further left when compared to the extreme right wing magas. 😏
Focus on the economic matters more than cultures.
Dems either don’t really believe in a big tent that’s all for one and one for all or they aren’t confident enough to sell it. You’ve been begging dems to town hall in red districts. They have to sell liberal democracy.
EOs aren’t laws. Doge isn’t bonafide. You can’t have individual freedom if you crush diversity. Where’s our spirit? Explain that crushing trans people crushes individuality ie freedom. MAGA believes inindiv. rights.
It also means throwing Black people under the bus. White people haven’t voted majority Democrat since 1964. Sixty years later and they are STILL punishing Dems for LBJ signing the civil rights laws. bsky.app/profile/pipe...
Huh?
And immigrants. And POC. And women.
If they can get enough people to throw one community under the bus it opens the door to throw the next and the next…c’mon you know the poem. We’re soaking in it.
I never liked Newsom, and one of the things I always said was the only thing you can trust about him is his ambition. The fact that he has gleefully platformed a Nazi and thrown trans people under the bus tells me that the DNC thinks progressives are a lost cause. It is about to get real bad I fear
Mind numbingly stupid that this is even an issue. Who cares!? Are people really SO insecure about their own gender identity that they need to hate on others so much? What kind of sickness is running through our society and how do we stop it?
Trans people don’t want to be center stage either.
I feel like we have to change our strategy. What we are doing isn't working, and instead of gaining, we are losing steam.
For me, the mistake is in thinking that the contemporary American is rational—we’re not. It’s not about policy (which would require thought); it’s about emotion. That’s why republican voters don’t care if they’re lied to. They only care about how the politicians make them feel. Literally pathetic
That's the truth! Never will I throw Trans under the bus. Call me too far left but NEVER!
The extreme right has gone SO FAR to the left that they have pulled the center to the right. Dems need to go left! We want progressive policies that benefit ALL OF US.
do you mean they went so far to the right
Thank you. YES TO THE RIGHT.
Democrats can’t move because the GOP is so far to the right. stay true. Hold town halls, listen to the angry Trump supporters and educate them on their level without being condescending, ie DEI includes veterans. Explain what they need to do - call Congress, protest, boycott, etc.
They are transfixed on trans people.
No. What i'd like is for the time being, until Trump/MAGAism is defeated, for the Democratic Party to be more INCLUSIVE, and bring in more Centrists, be welcoming to Independents/Never Trumpers etc for the fight to save democratic process and Trump's threat to it. It is not about thowing anyone out
no
No? Well get ready, it's gonna be a very difficult time then if we can't even pull together against a common foe.
Republican: “Meet me at the center.” Democrat: “OK” *takes five steps forward* Republican: *takes five steps back* “Meet me at the center.”
Gavin Newsom now opposes trans women participating in women's sports. I hate it when Democrats become the enemies of justice. (It's complicated, but trans women athletes may actually have a disadvantage in sports depending on cardiorespiratory performance.)
Disagree. Too general. Unfair.
I truly wish I could disagree with you.
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This must stop. How do we make it stop???
Democrats move any farther to the right they will be goose stepping right along side MAGA.
In 2004, they wanted to throw gays under the bus because of same-sex marriage. In the 90s...gay adoption. 80s...PDAs. 70s...dont be too gay. The 60s, it was Blacks. There always seems to be a demographic that they are willing to throw under the bus because it makes the other side too uncomfortable.
"move on from irrelevant bedroom/lunchtable issues" = forget trans people because they're not important to me. "be anti-anti woke to show conservatives we're serious" = trans rights arent serious.
So you have just predicted Gov. Newsome's podcast featuring Charlie Kirk. Gavin's not just tossing the transgender, he's also driving the bus.
Yup. I saw the posts about what he had said.
When has "going to the center" or trying to get "independents" worked for the party?
Never in the history of ever
And Gavin Newsom already did.
I support trans people 💯 but I think when people say they want Dems to move closer to center, they really want them to focus on economy, education, taxes, the border, etc and less on the 10 athletes competing in NCAA sports.
Dems do talk about those things. It’s the GOP that goes on and on and on about trans people.
Correct but then the Dems pick up the gauntlet. What they should say: I am focused on the 1,000’s of people who need a,b,c. If you want to use tax payer dollars for this legislation make sure your constituents know that’s how you’re spending their money and then move on.
Can we work on making trans people safe first then figure out the sports thing?
the “sports thing” is part of safety
It means they want dems to center white ppl.
I don’t get, at all, the obsession with trans. I don’t get, at all, the obsession with trying to control anyone else’s body or private life. They lost when they obsessed over the gays. They are going to lose this dumb obsession, too.
Jess i truly dont understand how dems arent getting that when you run on republican lite, voters pick real republicans.
Maybe we should stop taking the bait every time they throw it at us. If someone starts arguing with you about trans rights throw the religious rights obvious pedophile issues back in their face. Stop playing the game the way they want it played and start playing it the way they play it.
That's not true, sometimes they also want to throw minorities or women under the bus as well.
Underrated comment ^^.
Yeah ask gov newsom
That’s exactly the interview I read before I posted.
Makes me sick, plus he like noem.making a public spectacle of throwing homeless people things away. City of fremont making it a crime to give food or water to homeless. He is a Getty
The whole point of a two party system is one party on one side and one on the other and you compromise in the middle. You don't move to the middle then compromise to the center right. All moot anyway, our system is being systematically dismantled.
Well said. Sad, but eloquent.