I know a lot of Trump voters and there is one common theme running through each…they wanted to hurt or punish someone with their vote.
I know a lot of Trump voters and there is one common theme running through each…they wanted to hurt or punish someone with their vote.
Masochists
MAGAts hate.
Turns out it's themselves and we warned them. They "knew better". 🙄
This.
You have identified a major factor in their choice for sure.
Well they are ending up punishing themselves and other Trump voters as well.
Sounds a lot like your average Russian from what I've heard. No interest in making things better, just making them worse for others
Yep. The one Trump voter with whom I spoke at any length in 2016 said he did it just so he could irritate his liberal in-laws by copping to it. (Safe Hillary state.)
Well it worked. 😩
For what?
And they did. But they punished themselves too.
It's actually quite rational. Sociologically, their vote is the most powerful weapon they can (legally) wield, and it serves a satisfactory psychological outcome. The fact that an immoral human being is the beneficiary is something many don't care about or much contemplate.
Evil hearts.
Yep. For the most part they’ve been screwed for 40 years - I’ve Reagan at least. They don’t know why but it hurts and they’re pissed.”"
Fingers crossed they hurt AND punish themselves.
How tragic is that…?
No hate like Christian Love
Yes! The MAGA sadism is expected from uneducated, gullibles programmed to feel grievances. Predictably, they want to strike back -- like toddlers told to behave. How can I be sure? My mother, my brother, my nephew.
I’ve been saying this since 2016, but there’s only one governing philosophy with these people, and it’s sticking their thumb in your eye. It’s why we can’t bipartisanship our way out of this. We have to electorally beat these people for a decade straight before they go back to hiding under a rock.
Yep And say “but my taxes “
Because they feel they deserve more. They never did anything with their lives to be more. They are losers.
That's the key.
Yep..they wanted to “teach the “democrats” a lesson”
They’ve sure succeeded.
Cool. FAFO. And pay back may be more than expected. They baselessly thought the liberals hated them before…now they’ve given them more than ample reason.
like a good christian should.
Mission accomplished
WE are one body, one country. What hurts me, will hurt you. Fracturing this country by hate got us into this…but coming together to fight the fascist hate will get us out. TOGETHER. Together we must reject fascism and embrace what made America great…WE, all the diverse people, living in democracy
The cruelty is a feature, not a flaw
Yes! I totally agree. Trump voters ignorance, contempt for others, and desire to “own the libs” has resulted in a stupendous self own. Unfortunately their lack of self-awareness will lead them to continue to blame someone else for their miserable lives.
All of us.
Wow I have no words
The ones I know were only worried about their personal wallets, thinking they were going to have a lower cost of living.
In Moral Politics, George Lakoff explains that “family values” is code for strict father morality: reward, punishment, obedience. It’s a hierarchy—God at the top, then the father. People vote to obey their dominant father figure. bookshop.org/p/books/mora...
Trump voters blame others for their problems, particularly the government, minorities, the media — just like their leader they “take no responsibility.”
How Christian of them.
Which checks out considering musk is out in these streets saying empathy is evil and the downfall of society
Do any of them admit they never thought it would happen to them and they were fine with cruelty to others? It means that vindictiveness is a fuel to them and they can't be seen as "good people".
Self harm.
I was just thinking about this today. I’ve never sought to harm any person or group of people with my vote. Not once. No Republican who has ever voted can say that.
So they decided to hurt themselves
Cruelty is the point, and with those guys, always with a racist or misogynistic spin. A combination of fear and inadequacy drive this, I think.
Originally posted by JoeFink This quote from James Baldwin's Notes of a Native Son is just as true today as it was in 1955... “I imagine that one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, that they will be forced to deal with pain.”
We're foolish enough to want to help them with ours.
I still think about the woman in KY who was interviewed abt the GOP trying to overturn the ACA in the 1st term and how she was upset because she thought they would hurt the *right* people and taking away her healthcare was not that. I would be mortified to know that people remembered me for that.
In other words, they are horrible people.
based on what you know, who was the top target?
America is being run by a bunch of cartoon villains put in place by a voting bloc of the second group from this meme
The lack of empathy, not to mention logic, amongst such a huge percentage of my fellow US Americans, disgusts me. On both the immigration and economic fronts, anyone who has been paying attention to facts could not possibly be duped into supporting this fascist regime. Unless they're just evil.
Jess, I have known many individuals who revel in hurting other people. So your comment strikes home and makes me want to know more about your experiences: what did you experience in Trump voters that shows you they voted to cause someone pain?
"They were so angry they couldn't see the communist thru his spray tan."
Exactly and now we’re all being punished, including them so what’s up with that?????????
This totally explains the response when Trumps actions hurts them saying “this isn’t what I voted for”. Then I say , “well what did you vote for?” And silence.. pretty clear they voted for the hurt , just not for themselves
So much hatred. Even to their own detriment. It’s remarkable, really.
Even when it hurts themselves….
These assholes deserve everything coming their way then.
"Own the Libs," that's what they wanted. Now they want their jobs back, healthcare back and their 401K's not in the dumpster. And I can't stop wanting to slap all 77 million of them across the face.
That’s what I keep saying. It’s a whole political party based on cruelty and who they can harm. It’s absolutely deranged.
That does explain why my laughing at them instead of being hurt and offended makes them so hilariously angry.
I think this is a fantastic reply when people try to explain away Trump votes by saying “well we all vote in our own self interest” besides the obvious response which is “NO”
All of the Trump voters I know fall into 1 of 2 camps: 1) They wanted to punish “illegals”, trans/nonbinary folks, and liberals. 2) They thought he’d make things cheaper and didn’t CARE that he was going to hurt/punish others, because they’re white and they thought it wouldn’t affect them.
I have suspected this of many (perhaps most) republicans: that their vote was meant to hurt someone.
The modern Republican appears to be a worthless pile of anger and bigotry without a working brain but with a big mouth!
Cruelty is the point for Repubs.
Sad but true. I have a beloved family member who told me exactly this a week ago and it blew my mind ☹
Most of them are angry old white guys and their wives.
No, many are young men.
By the time you factor in the old boomer guys, the balloon of gen-X dudes and the growing segment of young tech bros...it turns out you can safely generalize to "most white men."
Lots of young Latino men too and some black young men.
Also true. All manner of fools and shitheads voted for him.
true but most of the ones I know are angry old white guys.
Figures
I concur.Those I know were, without exception, angry. The focus of their anger varies - though the source of their anger is a constant: the right wing media. It's all propaganda geared to keeping the base perpetually outraged. Outrage leads to fear & fear leads to anger. #BigLies #DividedNation
May they have the day that they deserve.
This is my understanding too. It’s telling the underlying hatred that rises above all (and the messaging that led to this hatred).
That’s because they’re shitty people.
Ignorant people.
Well they managed to punish almost the entirety of the US population and a good chunk of the world… again! (I’m holding them accountable for making covid worse than it should have been)
How very Christian of them.
Oh! Interesting. I wonder if the 🤡 voters here had those same thoughts even if they won’t admit it. Although “own the libs” is pretty telling.
And this is the reason I will not try to find "common ground" with them. You're not worth my time if you want to deliberately hurt others.
Can you let them know asap that they’ve been successful in that so we can move on and get our country back?
Give them a decent job and a place to live and they get a lot more reasonable… by the reprogramming is hard.
Boomerang will be a b_tch🪃
I keep thinking of your interviewing a rural voter "I can't vote for a Democrat, I'm a Christian"
Yup. They voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party because they believed the leopards would ONLY eat the faces of the people they dislike. Unfortunately, it rarely works that way... as they may soon find out.
Some already have
And now they're becoming pissed off because it turns out they are getting hurt, too.
Why? I don’t get that sickness. I want to help people with my vote.
i know a lot of evangelical trump voters and they think hurting people who disagree with them is their biblical mandate (they also think it’s loving but you know all this already)
Mission accomplished
Absolutely true.
Yes themselves silly little white assholes
Exactly!
The way I look at it if someone votes for someone because that person has promised to screw over someone else when in office in reality that person is going to screw everyone over
Love your voice, clarity and strength of conviction. Don't stop.
in 2016 I knew many who had personally felt somehow maligned in their lives. They seemed to want an outlet for their deep seated anger at feeling they had been wronged. Two forces at work, one being retribution, the other, perhaps more dominant, looking for salvation, the path to a better life.
The better life positioning seems stronger with the R positioning this most recent election as compared to the Ds. This is America, we build things, we build better lives, we invest, we grow, we create opportunity. The story cannot just be about wealth redistribution and equity.
Fact: Trump voters are curiously aroused when brown people suffer.
Sickening frankly!! In the end, those idiots will hurt too!!!
😏✅
Specifically or generally, in your opinion?
Yes
Well they have now hurt themselves 🤦🏻♀️ they will pay the price economically.
Sad
I would truly love to know what I ever supported or cared for that harmed them. Because I really feel I voted to support their lives. I may not have supported their belief, but their lives mattered, and they needed to manage their own beliefs in their own house. And that's all I can say about that.
It’s true and right wing media fanned the flames of their hatred to make them feel entitled to it
They were all for it before they understood it hurts them too.
I’ve known some MAGAs, and no matter how much or how little they have, they don’t have enough and it is always somebody else’s fault. This is why those people must be punished.
That kind of energy comes back to you.
Because they are miserable, less than mediocre, losers.
They’re so angry and mean!
And they all need to be the ones to suffer, for years
They were successful
I know people who weren’t vengeful. They just always vote Republican. I can’t imagine being this vapid.
And they don’t hide it.
Misery loves company. Joy is the one thing they lack and cannot take from us. That’s why peaceful protest is so powerful. A smile/laughter in the face of infuriating intolerance demonstrates their hatred can be stopped. With us.
Including themselves it would appear.
They thought the economy would improve and that's a laugh. If that is why they voted but I think they have to have no empathy for others, hold racist points of view and a disregard for humanity
Yep, instead of going to therapy (there are apps on your phone now), they victimize all of us w their anti-social personality disorders and unresolved mental health issues.
Well what a christian thing to do, to live from spite, I'm sure is not supported by Jesus but hey, we've allowed ppl to interoperate the Bible 4 ever.
Themselves?
Self-serving other-harming spite. They deliberately view the world as "US" and "the OTHER". "US can do no wrong, Others can do no good. Thus WE are fully justified in punishing or exploiting the Other as we please." A simplistic philosophy of Selfishness and Spite. bsky.app/profile/alex...
True, but they didn’t want to hurt themselves. It has often been said that Trump voters voted for Trump because he hates the same groups of people they hate. I absolutely agree with that sentiment.
These people have been waiting for someone like Trump for decades. Just as you posted, he’s someone who hates the same people they do.
All while claiming they were voting for cheaper eggs and gas prices, and wanting to "Drain the Swamp" Welp.. our eggs and gas prices haven't decreased and the swamp is filling up beyond its capacity. I wonder if they have any regrets now.
Two separate motivations. I see more of the "punish" type voter. Some slight from yrs ago means they won't vote for the incumbent no matter how awful the opponent is. And these are smart people. But no they have to be able to say "You should have attended our HOA meeting. We'll show you."
I know only a couple. They're relatives. 😪 They don't want to hurt anyone. But they're addicted to RW news sources & reject everything we've tried to discuss with, "Well, how do you know YOUR side isn't lying?" There's 1 thing in common: they're both in construction & frustrated by endless regs.
IE, they wanted to reduce someone uppity down to their miserable level.
People they know or just anonymous groups that they have come to believe are getting undeserved privileges ahead of them?
it's also split up families including my own family where relatives on the opposite side of the political spectrum refuse to speak to each other. There are no other words to describe it other than we are engaged in a civil war for democracy or fascist oligarchy.
Where did this come from Jess? I mean, I know there are decades of hate on social media but.. It's not like the poor, blacks or gays took their money. That's the filthy rich..
What voters say is often not connected to how they vote. It's not purposeful lying, but a lack of understanding their own fears and motivations. Freud was right. My latest Substack-- open.substack.com/pub/erichens...
They have been fed a lie. They consumed it. And the results are most bitter.
It’s the defining characteristic
Sadists.
Unfortunately, they got duped into being mad at other regular people instead of the ultra wealthy who have screwed this society up so badly.
Curious, who do they want to punish? Most Trump voters I know blamed Biden for inflation, and illegal immigration. They wanted to punish Biden, and by extension - Democrats. Did you hear something different?
Liberals, people who don't conform to their way of life (can be very expansive, urban dwellers, blue haired baristas, gay people, trans people), Black & brown people for "taking things they don't deserve," people who've "failed" somehow, they have a substance use disorder, mental illness, are poor.
Don't forget non-subservient women. It is crude Calvinism: if you are not successful (and white and Christian and a a man), it is proof God does not favor you and thus you are bad and should be punished. Punishment may correct your failings or not. Either way, it is deserved and they should do it.
... even to an extent that they hurt themselves just as much. Sick stuff.
And instead, they punished themselves.
They just don’t know it yet
Denial is one helluva drug..
Yup, they just wanted someone else to be punished.
Collateral damage from all that hate, inequality & exclusion their saviour is throwing around? 🤷♀️ And aaw that’s a shock the old orange fuckup & his mega-wealthy backers didn’t consult you first up about how your shoe business would fare under his maga tariffs! #MazeDullRats
They are all so full of hate. I just can't rap my head around all of this hate. I have survived open-heart heart surgery and cancer, and I still don't have hatred inside of me.
This highlights the angry white male problem we have in America.
And 45% (or was it 55%?) of middle aged and older white women. I don’t get it.
They really do have a fetish for punishment, don't they?
Lots if hate with Trump voters (MAGA cult lovers).
And it was probably to hurt people they knew personally. That is how low they are.
And I’ll bet they call themselves Christians too. This has been one of the most awful things of this whole era-seeing how greedy, selfish, hateful, and frankly stupid many of our fellow citizens are
That's quite disturbing.
don't forget their single-digit IQ!!! That's common among them as well.
Yes. Their hard-core hate of us fuels them
You should see what it's like on red note. It was so peaceful and friendly until they followed us there. They literally have to be where we are or else they just can't make it mentally!