What you're describing is the worst-case scenario. Not all farms operate that way. Those that do can be fixed. Going vegan won't change anything outside of your own life. You want to change the world? Find a way to make those animals have better lives and conditions. Be realistic. Not delusional.
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Sure. And plants might grief too. You just don't know. And yet, you claim they are lower than animals. They are nothing. They can be enslaved. Abused. Crammed. Put chemicals on. Cut using combines. All because they are not cute enough for YouTube.
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Considering the mean market is vastly larger than other food production markets, it makes sense. Is this supposed to be a shock? If anything, it means that even though the rest of the markets are small, they still manage to produce 40% of the greenhouse gasses. That seems bad.
Animal agriculture is mainly a 1st world market. We are fine without it. And your argument is illogical, if we could reduce GHG emissions 60% we'd stop global warming. Again, you post arguments to support cruelty to animals. Because you are terrified of having to change your diet.
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That has nothing to do with what I've said. And having read the introduction I can already see a flaw. Ancient rain forests are being cut down for meat production. Ok. So stop doing that. And before you say that you can't control it - you can't control people to go vegan too. That's even harder.
75% of global crops are grown for animal agriculture. Our treatment of animals is the main cause of pandemics and creating superbugs. This is about what YOU are doing, we can only start with ourselves and be the example for a better world. You are finding excuses not to be better.
Your support for cruelty to animals is also supporting human suffering. We have known this for a long time, and it's getting worse. Animal agriculture is driving climate change and famine.
Not only that but eating meat is associated with wealthier countries. Countries which then export their needs for crops for animal agriculture to less developed countries making them financially dependent on feeding these animals instead of feeding themselves crops.
There is zero evidence that plants are sentient, science states they aren't because they have no pain receptors nor cerebral cortex.i.e. no brain. You still have not explained why you support cruelty to animals. And BTW humans suffer for animal agriculture, it is a major cause of global famine.
Just because there are zero evidence for something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Ask religious people. We are clueless when it comes to consciousness and life in general. I don't support cruelty to animals. And if you try and claim it one more time - it will be the end of this conversation.
OK you have capitulated, your argument is a nonsense. You are supporting cruelty to animals because this is animal agriculture. Protesting that it should be humane is a nonsense, it isn't and you still pay for it. Do you support the dog meat trade? Think about it.
I guess you really can't read. You consider raising one cow, using its milk, and when the time comes - slaughter and eat it, to be cruelty to animals. Most people don't You're imposing your fucked up, stuck up, Karen point of view on me, and trying to justify it. I warned you. Now, fuck off.
Oh yeah, you're now muted. Have fun screaming into the void. I bet you have a lot of smart things to say. Let it all out. Have fun with it.
You have conceded defeat.
So post your scientific evidence. You have so far only posted opinion and excuses for supporting cruelty.
So post the science to support your suggestions that 1. animals are not sentient and 2. plants are sentient. And why are you choosing to support cruelty to animals when it's unnecessary?
Again, you're missing the point. Sentience is an arbitrary tool to use when drawing the line separating moral from immoral. You are following a feeling. An emotion. Subjective. And you're trying to pass it as logic. Fact. But logic and facts are not on your side. They are on mine.
At the end of the day, we are both defining some line, arbitrarily, that we will not cross. I won't eat dogs. You won't eat cows. Morally, we're on the same footing. But you're trying to claim we're not, which is misguided. You're also trying to shame, which is disgusting. You're not good at this.
You are posting opinions, not science. We know animals are sentient. Why are you here if the suffering you cause doesn't bother you in some way?
The point is that YOU are supporting extreme cruelty to animals. When asked to defend your support you resort to gaslighting. Better lives would be to take care of them and leave them to live out their lives, not be butchered. They suffer grief and pain just like humans do.
"The point is that YOU are supporting extreme cruelty to animals. When asked to defend your support you resort to gaslighting" 1. No. You saying it makes you an asshole. 2. When did I resort to gaslighting? Quote, please. I'll wait.
1. You have acknowledged that animals are not treated humanely, yet you acknowledge you still consume animal products so you are paying for animals to be treated cruelly. 2. Your suggestion that plants are sentient and supports your right to support cruelty to animals is standard gaslighting.
1. You pay taxes? You also pay for animals to be treated cruelly. I don't see you going out shaming people for paying their taxes. 2. My suggestion that we don't know if plants have something similar to our mechanism of pain, is for one purpose only - to show you how arbitrary your own choice is.
I have no choice what the Government does with taxes and have no control over taxes deducted from my wages. I DO have control over who I pay money to, as do you. Veganism is a rights movement, we protest and fight to end cruelty to animals.
You do have a choice. You can not pay taxes, and go to prison, or pay fines. At least you won't be contributing to animal abuse. You don't get to set artificial boundaries for yourself. Either you're complicit, or you're not. So get off your high horse. You clearly are.
I have no say over where my taxes go I can only vote for people who are trying to make a better world. So explain to me why you choose to maximise the suffering of animals by choosing to pay for cruelty rather than minimising to the least harm and fighting to change things?
You can choose to pay fines, or go to prison. You just don't want to be inconvenienced. You don't care enough. You're immoral. You support animal cruelty, and have no spine. Fuck off.
Much of the money I earn actually goes towards ending animal suffering. You choose to maximise suffering. Why can't you try to go 100% plant say for a month and see how you go? It's a lot easier than you think.