“goth needs to be for everyone” No, it doesn’t. It needs to be for the marginalized, the outcaste, the abused, downtrodden and reviled who have been forgotten and stepped on by cultural elites. Trying to appeal to everyone appeals to no one who has a personality Don’t enshittify the culture
Bar owners have a saying.. Once you allow one nazi into your bar, you are a nazi bar.
You’re hardcore or you’re not. That’s how it’s been since the Punk scene, leave the arguments for Posers!
AND CONSERVATIVES ARE NEITHER MARGINALIZED NOR OUTCASTE Conservatives have no place here
Beware Chuckula. That's all I'm saying
People dont understand that making something for everyone is making something for nobody.... gatekeeping is aight
I think the joy of being Goth is in seeing what IS instead of the fantasy of what anyone wants you to see. It allows people to see through the veneer to the structure I hear you Empire down
I hear the roar of a big machine....
I do absolutely adore playing that song. It is so fun just to sink into that groove and play.
Any seven minute diss track calling thatcher a fascist is a favorite of mine
Outcast cultures are for those that need them. If you're not an outcast - and conservatives certainly are not - then you don't need them, you're just wanting to steal even more from those that do.
Everything gets enshittified sooner or later How do you think I felt when hip-hop turned into Jay-Z, Sean Combs, and Drake? Or rock'n'roll turned into stadium rock (although that was a little before my time)
Don’t been to imagine “You fuckin dorks ain’t a source of the art You can’t be cooler than the corners where you source all your parts The poker face, all it takes A couple sordid remarks We let the manticore out We make the sorcery bark” Heavy load to bear Party over here I’ll be over there -Aes
And as far as rock turning into stadium rock… that’s literally where punk came from… right here in Detroit
Very nice. I was thinking of Mötley Crüe, rather than MC5 My point was that everything is just a time and place. You live long enough, you'll be amazed at how much is lost on young people
I was thinking Alice cooper contrasting with like, 45 grave
Excellent point.
Gatekeeping goth is something goths have always done
We’ve always been an insular culture, and with good reason
The Columbus ohio goth scene is lol, literally infested with TERFs, while also doing “goths against nazis” parades And that’s if you can ignore the rampant SA
Eeew fuck them queer people built this shit
Thats really a key, isn’t it? There has to be queer stakeholders or else its sparkling heteronormative queer
Are we gatekeeping the color black now?! 🙄 Hey, as a witch, I’m upset that you’re calling my culture “goth”.
Someone’s offended alright…
Btw, if you think goth is just “wearing all black” you’re part of who I’m talking about
Im entirely sure not everyone is soothed by the most depressing shit ever.
Ah yes, so depressing youtu.be/mtFOXxRkcR8
I am old, so when I think of goth I immediately go emo and that's my fault.
I’m over 40, so I don’t really have that I was goth when it was still a moral panic 😉😉