Maybe I mistook your view for someone else’s in the thread. I assumed you were using definitions of sex also extended to gender. For example, do you object to people using whatever bathroom facility they wish based on their gender identity?

We have separate spaces for when as a protection for their dignity and safety. There is zero reason to do this on the basis of “gender identity”.

Zero reason? What do you think will happen when, per your policy, a burly trans man tries to use the women’s bathroom?

If we all agree that spaces are segregated on the basis of sex then nothing. Or if this "burly" women has any empathy and actually passesshe might use a third space. Men need to stay out of women's spaces though.

What exactly is the harm in that trans man using the men’s facilities like any other?

Well, unfortunately, plenty of men aren't stopped by a sign on the door that segregates by gender. Predators aren't stopped by laws or norms. But trans women aren't men so there shouldn't be any issues there.

Statistically, if we’re going to segregate bathrooms for reasons of safety, we need to first make adult men use a designated bathroom separate from young boys.

Oof. But you're not wrong.

The inability to process that is a feature, not a bug

I’d also agree we do need separate spaces in bathrooms preserve dignity and safety. We call those spaces “stalls”.

I was at a Swedish airport that just generic toilet facilities. It was a little disconcerting washing my hands next to both men and women. I kept feeling I’d wandered into the wrong place. Every Vikings game I’ve been to involved women queuing up for the stalls in the men’s toilets too.

Really? Why do you say there's no basis for providing separate spaces on the basis of gender identity? We already do.

The only people who benefit from this are autogynephiles. That is not a legitimate basis for providing segregated spaces.

I see quite a bit of benefit for protecting spaces on the benefit of gender identity. Is that why you didn't answer my question? And why are you still engaging in bad faith when you still haven't provided those stats?

How, exactly, does anyone benefit from a shared space with fully enclosed bathroom stalls that lock?

So no more men's and women's bathrooms? Everyone shares a single space, or are you proposing more unisex and family lavatories? It's been days, and you haven't grown tired of being wrong. I can't decide if that's impressive or stupid.

The cognitive dissonance in saying we don’t need segregated spaces while telling trans people they should go to a “third space” is breathtaking. Days crusading for “two binary sexes,” and then you shake off the real-world complications of your position like it’s nothing. bsky.app/profile/quac...

As I repeat, the conflicting directives meant to be ruthlessly enforced by people enabled with pretty wide discretion aren't a bug, it's a feature. The primary goal of this mess is to create a system flat-out impossible to navigate for trans people to push them out of society.

The secondary goals of this mess are to make the system hazardous for gender non-conforming people and to create systemic burden for most people, then blame trans people for the friction in order to push non-hateful people to embrace genocidal transphobia as a way to escape bureaucratic bullshit.

I really want to know what these TERFs are doing in bathrooms where they think trans people are somehow a threat to vulnerable people in a state of partial nudity. Are the TERFs running around in the common spaces undressed or something? Because the partial undress is usually in a locked stall.

Do you happen to remember the "menstrual blood is a biohazard" discourse in the other place? That one had a very similar problem.

What, seriously? Someone offered that as a justification? Is it solely toxic to men or something?

I might be able to find the origin if you're desperate. It was so incredibly stupid.

Oh god I had forgotten about that...

Sorry. It was a whole lot of "Not only are you wrong, but why the hell is this coming up in the first place? What the hell are you even doing in these bathrooms?!"

Right?!?!

“Prisons” is also my favorite for its naked disingenuousness. No one who is actually concerned (or even passingly familiar) with health and safety in the prison system has “trans invaders” anywhere in their top thousand priorities.

Then there's the "locker room" nonsense. There is no locker room I have ever been in, anywhere, where there was not at least two or three separate changing spaces available. And exactly zero trans women are running around in locker rooms naked unless they've had sex reassignment surgery.

I actually asked my middle school daughter how she’d feel about sharing a changing room with a trans girl. She said it would make her uncomfortable, but she “wouldn’t freak out or anything”.

She also added that if she didn’t want to change around that person, there are curtained off areas that a lot of girls use anyway.