You'd say members belonging to those marginalised communities should have to argue for their existence as a party policy??

You'd say it was valid for a racist/homophobic/Islamophobe to be in an prominent, influential position in the party???

i think that your framing of those struggles is disingenous, you can't compare something that's been fought for for 100+/30+/20+ years to the recent attacks on trans rights. if racialised people and their rights were in the same position as trans peoples' right now then yes it would be imperative

I don't think it me being disingenuous, how tf long do you think trans people been fighting. Wtf. You are clearly not a credible person

this is too much to post to explain my position here so im happy to concede in that regard but in the grand scheme of things what do we do next? im willing to listen to what alternative trans people want.

Stop compromising with transphobes. Stop treating their bullshit like it's reasonable. Stop building coalitions with transphobes. Educate and rehabilitate who you can and shut out those you can't. Put your cis body and presence in between ours and theirs and be the first line of defense and attack.

it doesn't matter what they want, it only matters what the facist wants, because the only nuance you ever need to understand is: does this do the work of the facist? then don't do that. repeatedly asking marginalized ppl what they want is trauma inducing weaponized incompetance, & you know better

For one thing, I want to force the issue with this new party as much as possible. That includes threatening to not support the party until transphobes are kicked out or at least until more members say something like Zarah Sultana said

I want to fucking live. It shouldn't be a "policy debate" or something I personally have to advocate for. This thinking either actively want me dead or doesn't care if I am. It shouldn't have to affect you for you to care enough to advocate.

The actual literal Nazis were burning books about trans healthcare a hundred years ago. We have been here and been under attack this whole time; pretending like this is a new issue is part of the attack.

It like claiming being trans is a modern social contagion.

Did you forget that the Nazis targeted the Institute of Sexology, a LGBTQ institute that did sex changes? And that they burned all the books within that building pertaining to LGBTQ? hmd.org.uk/resource/6-m...

There was a successful ovarian transplant for a trans woman in that clinic.

Oh so you're just completely ignorant of the history of trans rights. Who was Magnus Hirschfeld? Who was Dora Richter? Who was Lucy Salani? We've been fighting as long as anybody to just be allowed to exist, and you fucks have sided with the nazis at every turn.

For fuck's sake, modern transphobes are using literally the same arguments the nazis did. www.vox.com/culture/3640...

Non starter. they are in the same position- unless you forget were all subject to the same rights. and theres people in multiple categories of targeted people. if dems cant be made into advocates for all- they will be eaten like the fash. simple as.

Ok so now you’re at JKR levels of holocaust denial. Institut für Sexualwissenschaft established 106 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institu...

“Recent attacks” Thank you for demonstrating you know literally nothing about this topic and thus every excuse you make is entirely worthless.

"[...] One example of this is Liddy Bacroff, who received a transvestite pass in 1928. After 1933, she had several encounters with the local police until they sent her to the Mauthausten concentration camp, where she died in 1943 [...]" official photo of the Criminal Biology Collection Center 1930

trans people were gas'd by nazi germany, transness isn't any new thing you asolute baffoon

"The recent attacks on trans rights." Obviously, you know nothing of trans people or our history. Just lecturing trans people from a place of total ignorance. I can't fucking deal with cis people anymore. There are no allies. Just mountains of bullshit.

How many of the trans people here, saying these sort of things about Corbyn's party and their framing of other events, do you believe are being disingenous? Sincere question, just Rosa?

You know just as well as I do about the danger of dismissing a large amount of people from a marginalized group as all being disingenous, or "wokescolds", or whichever thing, so I trust you're wary of doing that sort of thing here.

Oh, I forgot the block this clown lol - he's a rape apologist and huge supporter of Sophie McAlister and her right to sexually assault other trans women. Defender of trans liberation only so long as it props up the fucking patriarchy.

Ohhh. Thank you.