Why haven't centrists figured out that a platform that includes killing members of the left voting coalition isn't attractive to leftists?
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Also why are moderates reliable when appealing to them hasn't worked, at all?
aug 23, 2025, 4:23 pm • 1 0 • view
The reason it isn't working as well lately is because the right flank is still a reliable voting block while the left flank isn't. So the GOP has a larger coalition of voters. Since Dems can't depend on the left, they are forced to try to get more in the middle, which makes them bland.
aug 23, 2025, 4:54 pm • 0 0 • view
Also the right flank is a reliable voting block because their politicians cater to them! You'd have to be blind to not see the rightward shift in the Republican party in response to their bases' demands! So are you blind, stupid, right-wing, or all three?
aug 23, 2025, 7:13 pm • 0 0 • view
The left could change this if they decided to join the coalition to get Dems elected. If they became reliable voters, then Dems would have reason to appeal to them more. The less they vote, the less reason Dems have to appeal to them.
aug 23, 2025, 4:54 pm • 0 0 • view
LGBT voters voted 86% for Kamala, despite her openly saying that she would enforce anti LGBT laws. And this is the thanks we get, being told to fall in line even better. Why don't you address your admonitions to white men you freak?
aug 23, 2025, 7:09 pm • 1 0 • view
Yes, about 86% voted for her precisely because she campaigned on protecting and expanding their rights, as Dems have done for years. As I've said before, the purity knife in 2024 was Gaza, not GLBTQ rights. I have no idea what you mean by "falling in line".
aug 25, 2025, 4:21 pm • 0 0 • view
Ah yes, the purity knife of "don't directly and materially support the genocide of an entire people". That impossible hurdle that no one could ever clear. What a fantastical, outlandish, and niche political demand. Clearly she chose the most popular and politically successful option instead.
aug 25, 2025, 4:30 pm • 0 0 • view
I wanted to thank you for the many examples of purity politics that I've been talking about. Your hyperbolic, scolding, abrasive, and insulting rhetoric is a perfect example of why you fail to build a coalition or advance your cause. I'm certainly sad about it, but we can't start fixing things...
aug 25, 2025, 6:07 pm • 1 0 • view
...until we can identify the problems. The question is if the purity left can ever be purged of this self-sabotaging behavior or if we need to advance your causes without you. Probably the latter, alas, which will slow down progress. Anyway, nothing personal and I wish you the best.
aug 25, 2025, 6:07 pm • 0 0 • view
Incoherent. They’ve been trying to appeal to Republicans voters since 2016 despite overwhelming evidence that they will never vote for a dem. Mamdani is proof that the left will turn up for a dem candidate who actually aligns with most of their values, so why are dem establishment undermining
aug 23, 2025, 7:03 pm • 0 0 • view
Hillary attempted a base campaign, but it didn't work; the press shivved her over emails. Biden didn't need to because Trump had been such a disaster, he actually leaned further left than any presidential Dem had in decades. Harris appealed to Repubs disturbed by Trump's lawlessness, but ...
aug 25, 2025, 6:19 pm • 0 0 • view
...her policies were solidly left-of-center. Harris mainly lost because she just wasn't a great candidate and the left flank abandoned her. Mamdani is running in a very liberal city with no real GOP challenger; so that's apples to oranges.
aug 25, 2025, 6:19 pm • 0 0 • view
But you're right that the Dems need to lean heavy into economic populism in most places. The question is if the left will be satisfied with that to get a Dem into power. Based on what I'm reading, I'm worried the answer is no.
aug 25, 2025, 6:19 pm • 0 0 • view
Well you can take your ‘worries’ and shove it. Go to the DNC and tell THEM to listen to US. If they need the left so bad why do they do nothing to appeal to people left of Center. They betray trans people, unions, immigrants, women, the poor, gay people. If a corporation says jump they say how high
aug 25, 2025, 6:37 pm • 0 0 • view
They have to listen to their *entire* coalition, moreso to those who are actually reliable voters. That's who they listen to. If you want more from them, you might want to stop pushing them away. Your choice.
aug 26, 2025, 1:36 am • 0 0 • view
But the moment a marginalised person begs them to please stop capitulating to the right on the basic premises of fairness and human rights it’s “we need to stop thinking about the small dollar donors”.
aug 25, 2025, 6:37 pm • 0 0 • view
People like Mamdani and Fateh for people like Newsom who is grifting to literal Nazis??
aug 23, 2025, 7:03 pm • 1 0 • view
It's a numbers game—there are simply more of them to draw from. Also, they tend to be less ideologically rigid, so it's easier to appeal to them. No candidate can win without getting a large chunk of the middle (wherever that middle is, depending on location).
aug 23, 2025, 4:46 pm • 0 0 • view
So why did you lose the last election appealing to moderates?
aug 23, 2025, 6:27 pm • 0 0 • view
The more a candidate can depend on their ideological flank, the more they can shift towards that ideology while still holding on to a large-enough chunk of the middle. If that flank isn't reliable, then the solution is to get more of the middle. It's just math.
aug 23, 2025, 4:46 pm • 0 0 • view
How do you hold onto an ideological flank while constantly telling them to go fuck themselves? Republicans hold onto their ideological flank by appealing to them and giving them what they want. Explain why this is impossible for Dems to do.
aug 23, 2025, 6:28 pm • 0 0 • view
Using hyperbolic language like this is why Dems run away from you. You sound unhinged and politicians generally don't want to be associated with extremist framing. If you could learn from MLK and use language that draws people into your coalition, you'd get a lot more of what you want.
aug 23, 2025, 4:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Why isn't Gavin Newsom or any other Dem responsible for using language that will draw people into their coalition?
aug 23, 2025, 6:24 pm • 0 0 • view
Gavin Newsom wants to deny life-saving medical treatment to adults up to age 25. It's not hyperbolic in the least. But if you truly think so, let's try taking away your medical care for a couple decades and see if you still feel that way.
aug 23, 2025, 6:22 pm • 0 0 • view
Try telling women that they have to hold their nose and vote for anti abortion candidates, and see how many votes you garner.
aug 23, 2025, 6:22 pm • 0 0 • view
If you don't think that denying people medical care that they are by all rights entitled to is harmful and will result in deaths, the burden of proof is on you.
aug 23, 2025, 6:23 pm • 0 0 • view
No Dem has advocated for denying medical care to anyone. Again, your fact-free framing is preventing you from advocating for your own interests because you make it impossible for a majority of people to align with you. You drive rational people away. This helps MAGA.
aug 24, 2025, 5:09 pm • 0 0 • view
Gavin Newsom has. You're a disingenuous liar. Fuck your rationalizations you call rationality.
aug 24, 2025, 11:31 pm • 0 0 • view
At this point I'm just repeating myself, so I'll end it here with you. Just remember, when you use hyperbolic language, frame every policy proposal as life-or-death, and define every disagreement as hateful betrayal, you weaken your odds of getting what you want and you help the actual monsters.
aug 24, 2025, 5:09 pm • 0 0 • view
What's the proper language to use when policy decisions targeting minorities will, in fact, kill people? Are you actually just telling people to stop talking and stop caring?
aug 24, 2025, 11:29 pm • 0 0 • view
I hope that no one you love ever has to go through the issues you so blindly ignore, or has to deal with life saving medical care being denied to them by your archons, but if they do: I hope you grow a brain, a dick, and a heart, and deal with them with compassion.
aug 24, 2025, 11:36 pm • 0 0 • view
False equivalence. No Dem has advocated to taking away Trans rights, Newsom included. This is what I mean—when you frame things in ways that are divorced from reality, you are doing MAGA's work for them. Knifing your allies because they don't support every policy you want is helping your enemies.
aug 24, 2025, 5:05 pm • 1 0 • view
He has literally advocated denying the ability for legal adults to transition until age 25, taking away rights that have existed since Reagan. Fuck your own face, you Republican piece of shit, you've never been an ally of anyone in your life.
aug 24, 2025, 11:38 pm • 0 0 • view
PS. I will continue to be a progressive ally despite your idiotic, dishonest, and self-defeating rhetoric. Just know, your irrational and hateful language does nothing to hurt me, but it absolutely hurts you. I'll keep fighting for you even as you continue to make it as hard as possible.
aug 25, 2025, 4:11 pm • 0 0 • view
He literally did not do that. He only agreed that brains do not finish maturing until around 25, which is true as far as it goes, but at no time did he say, "So I agree they should not transition until then." When you dishonestly portray people in this way, it undermines your ability to influence.
aug 25, 2025, 4:08 pm • 0 0 • view
Hyperbolic? Newsom’s current homelessness approach is getting people killed. His proposals to disenfranchise trans kids will kill them. Democrats have no interest in protecting undocumented immigrants: they only became concerned when white-passing citizens got swept up.
aug 23, 2025, 6:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes, hyperbolic. You know who puts people in actual danger and doesn't care about it? MAGA. You are knifing your allies in ways that make it much harder to fight the real enemy. Every time you talk like this, you help MAGA hurt homeless, Trans, and ALL OF US. But I can tell you won't stop, sadly.
aug 24, 2025, 3:37 pm • 0 0 • view
Not to mention the full-throated support of the genocide in Gaza. You’re pretending like the Dems have somehow proven to be reliable in the last 4 years but they’ve done nothing but fuck up. Who’s to say they’ll even stand in the way of the fascists at all? They’re not doing it now!
aug 23, 2025, 6:51 pm • 0 0 • view
The only Dem to give any support is Sen. Fetterman. If you can't get basic facts right then you can't be persuasive. Serious people immediately blow you off, as I'm about to do—because you have nothing to add to the conversation: no solutions, no ways to build coalition. Purity has neutered you.
aug 24, 2025, 3:40 pm • 0 0 • view
This is also an intentional, direct lie that can be easily disproven. Biden bypassed Congress to deliver more than 20 billion dollars of weapons to Israel during a genocidal campaign. I can pull examples of dozens of Dems supporting Israel's slaughter. You are a deceitful, bad faith interlocutor.
aug 25, 2025, 1:25 pm • 0 0 • view
You are conflating sending arms to Israel with "full-throated support of genocide". This is the kind of hyperbolic rhetoric that makes you seem unhinged and dishonest. This in turn makes it difficult to align with you, which isolates you politically. This makes it harder to get what you want.
aug 25, 2025, 4:25 pm • 0 0 • view
Sending arms to a country that is using them to conduct a genocidal program is full throated support of genocide. It's about the most direct form of support you could possibly give. It is literally, direct and material support. Being a fucking liar also makes it difficult to align with you.
aug 25, 2025, 4:28 pm • 0 0 • view
“My job is to keep the left pro-Israel”. The Democratic Party wont even call it a genocide. That’s the ballgame for most people when everyone can see exactly what’s going on. They are full-throated in supporting a genocidal apartheid state. So much so that they’ll sabotage Mamdani over it.
aug 25, 2025, 5:13 pm • 0 0 • view
Can you please give me an example of a quote or policy by the Dem party giving "full-throated support for genocide" in Gaza? This will help me understand what you are referring to. And can you please explain how this is related to a mayoral race that has nothing to do with foreign relations? Thanks
aug 25, 2025, 6:00 pm • 0 0 • view
“My JOB is to keep the left pro-Israel”. Emphasis mine. Jeffries and other establishment democrats still haven’t offered support to Mamdani in New York and it’s entirely because of his position on Israel. You’d have to be stupid not to see it.
aug 25, 2025, 6:33 pm • 0 0 • view