Remember those who fought for your right to choose. We gave flesh and blood for you. Do not bring shame to our name and mission. Those people are the ones we died for. America Citizens
Remember those who fought for your right to choose. We gave flesh and blood for you. Do not bring shame to our name and mission. Those people are the ones we died for. America Citizens
That's exactly what will happen there's no can about it you will receive a military Court martial and it will not go well for you
Seems to me that more generals need to push this
This idea is correct. If the superior's order is illegal, then you have the right to refuse and contact a lawyer for processing.
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All those calls are coming from inside the house George. This isn’t an isolated thing…the military and first responder complex is taken over by right wing nut jobs. They WANT to do this stuff.
Hegseth was selected based upon the understanding that he would fire on citizens, if so ordered.
It is important to recognize the level of indifference and disrespect shown to these troops. I am sorry they have been put in this untenable position.
I think they believe they will be CM'd either way...putting them in a bad place...Exactly what the cheeto what's
That seems like any easy choice to me. I'd much rather get in trouble for swing the right thing than the wrong thing.
Members of Congress also swear an oath to the Constitution and 100% of them happily violate that oath when a court tells them to.
www.military.com/daily-news/o... During the BLM protests Trump asked Sec of Defense, Mark Esper, "Can't we just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?” NO.
Unless it is egregious and obvious in its illegality, Soldiers will obey orders. They are not lawyers. They do not have the time nor qualification to deliberate every order. Not obeying orders is also a court martial offense. Let’s not put this in them
The advice is of more use in countries that still have rule of law. The unenviable choice facing US soldiers is between obeying an illegal order and potentially facing consequences later if the regime falls, or disobeying and facing disciplinary action and other forms of persecution right now.
I sure wish Milley would arrange for take Trump/Johnson and the VP to be taken out!
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It's almost like the Dems knew the retributive vindictive asshole with dreams of dictatorship was gonna do some crazy dumbshit...
Shame they didn’t show that awareness a bit earlier, and act with appropriate urgency, when there was time to get the asshole jailed for his treason on January 6th.
Agreed. Screaming in the wind
That’s bc they knew.
It's like Trump said "I'd like to be an authoritarian" repeatedly. Then, Project 2025 came out. Pointed at his streaks of hate and greed. His friendship and idealization of dictators, past and present. They liked how he hated, talked, and pointed the blame. Religion loves dictatorship for that.
When the religion was formed around an abusive authoritarian narcissist with an uncomfortable focus on punishment... Them wanting Trump as their Messiah makes a lot more sense. Shame they didn't buy into what that Jesus fella was peddling - which is odd when they call themselves his followers.
Well, think of it like this. They crucified their Jesus so they could be forgiven. Read Revelation, it sounds more like that crucifixion led to a revenge plot to rival that flood. Circle back. Read the story of Sekhmet. Now read Revelation. Think biology. Virgin birth? No man, no Y. Ankh be my ✝️
The amount of Backstory they "borrowed" from Greek/Roman, Egyptians, Norse... Well, it shares some commonalities with the sticky-fingeredness of the English language.
Exactly. Really dig into mythology, there's a linear story. Pronounce Sekhmet. 2nd time we met. She championed humanity. Drank a red flood. Met a doctor. Hermes. Hermetic. They've been opening tombs. Playing knowledge is power. Ra 🌞. Like Kristos 🔨, chosen one. Ram had Lamb.
Who's the thunder? If Allfather dies, who will be his heir? If Thor is chosen, his children wield the divine scales and hammer. Think about the biblical stories. Now really think about how someone likes his tricks. We hail from the AllFather. Like 👁 all over 🌎 🪽 👼 The 2nd coming has arrived.
He told us exactly what he was going to do…it’s in the P2025 handbook. Unfortunately millions of idiots wouldn’t listen or just didn’t care.
They might have known it but they sure didn't act like it when they actually had power.
It’s even like half of the country knew it.
Apparently they didn’t listen…
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WHERE ARE THE GENERALS? WHY ARE THEY NOT OUT HERE PUBLICLY SPEAKING UP?
There are a few former leaders speaking out.
All the senior military leaders were removed and replaced with Sycophants. They were some of the first to go. His handlers know exactly what he needed to do to gain his autocratic power.
But when you literally sign your life over for your country and you have an oath to the constitution and this shit starts happening EITHER you start quietly forming a seal team six or you start calling it out on every mainstream outlet you can get on. I’ll say it again WHERE ARE OUR GENERALS?!?!
Looks like all the boxes have been checked. ✅
Depressingly so.
Mostly because Trump immediately started removing any liberal leaning generals.
I haven’t met too many generals I’d call liberal leaning - and I’ve met quite a few.
Well, because that's your experience, that must be everybody's experience, right?
Have you had a lot of first person experiences with liberal generals?
Asking sincerely
Let me ask you a sincere question. If there are little or no liberal generals, why has Trump been removing them?
Because it’s not about them being liberal - it’s about them being dedicated to the rule of law with extreme dedication. Trump is a fucktard, has no respect, thinks he’s a war hero”, calls our veterans and honored dead suckers and losers. Standing for that isn’t liberal - it’s just not fascist
Okay, I will call them the not fascist generals if that makes you happy. I think the intended meaning of both phrases is exactly the same however
The generals I know are typically EXTREMELY conservative and not pro fascist either. It’s been a middle ground.
Or, more to the point, if they don't exist, how is Trump removing someone who doesn't exist?
I have not, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the point that I made
Sigh Yes you’re right You’re always right. Glad I could be a mirror for you. I DO have firsthand experience but yeah I’m sure I don’t know what I’m talking about compared to you who has not.
This works better if you respond to what I said, instead of what you think I said
I'm pretty sure I never even suggested that.
Saying “I was just following orders” will not save you You will be prosecuted You will be dishonorably discharged You will live in shame & disgrace #HonorYourOath
WHO will hold them to this though? Remember Jan6 and the years after, that’s about all they’ll get for consequences. The Dems did that.
And Felon47 won’t give a damn about you. Look at everyone he has used and dropped as soon as he got what he wanted or needed.
This should be pointed out!! Like in the Nuremberg trials (hope it doesn't come to this). You can't blindly follow orders. But if a court backs up the administration, f*ck.
They will obey..even if told to kill their fellow citizens....
WHO will hold them to this though? Remember Jan6 and the yrs after, that’s all they’ll get for consequences. What was the “punishment”? To be Pres (with basically full immunity) and be given all the $$ and military. And the people under Drumpf? What was theirs? Silence The Dems did/do nothing.
As the daughter of an Air Force veteran, I can’t believe it’s come to this.
My Dad served 25 years and 3 wars in the Army. WWII, Korea and Vietnam. When I think of what he sacrificed and what he was willing to sacrifice, having taken that oath….. This shit makes my blood boil 😡
Navy Brat myself, it breaks my heart, but I share this every day so that our Military members can CHOOSE not to become as guilty as the German Soldiers who "were just doing their job," Nuremberg showed that is not a valid defense.
Thank you for posting this. The thing that worries me the most is no one was charged for Kent State massacre. I remember back in 1970, America wasn’t as fked up as it is now. If someone gets killed, do you think anyone will be held accountable?
I remember James Mitchner writing an apologia in Reader’s Digest about how the poor dears in the National Guard could be forgiven for shooting, because the protesters were the ages of their own sisters. I’m serious! Apparently they were so shocked by that they shot kids in daylight. Fuck Him
In May of 1970, I was 13, and my dad was in Vietnam. He had always voted republican, but in 1972 he voted for George McGovern. He’s 93 now, and hates trump. Btw, he’s a PhD.
I shook hands with McGovern that year. I hate Trump, as your dad does.
The Lord bless you and him.
WE THE PEOPLE will hold them accountable. 5calls.org DAILY. WE have the power to stop this. Not on Social Media, but by direct action to our reps and senators. We hired them - we will FIRE them. They work for US, not Trump. Remind them EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Short answer? No. Because Trump purged anyone who would oppose him in the first months. All that is left are the ones who want this to happen. So no one will be held accountable, unless we are able to defeat the GOP and take back our country.
AF brat here, wife of a retired career Army Veteran and sister of another. I am extremely concerned.
It would be great to see some courage on the part of our troops!
Heads up! It’s choice time. No choice, is a choice. “Qui tacet consentiri vedatur” ("Silence gives consent")
Soldiers, you took an oath to the Constitution not to Trump.
Maybe they are happy to do it? Who is in these military organizations?
Or worse. Think Nuremberg. "I was only following orders" is not an acceptable defense. There are NO "good Nazis."
Thank you for saying this-please say it louder!
Bold to assume this military isn't eager to follow trump's orders, legal or not.
Unfortunately that is not how a military system works. These are systems where rank, and obeying orders without questioning, are paramount for the military to function correctly. Plus, in a fascist state, this is even more so, as those who don't obey end up being destroyed in a way or another.
"Befehl ist Befehl" is not a valid defence in court!
Do you think most people, especially those who signed up for the Guard, have attorneys to consult with?
That is my understanding also!
Not only that, a soldier can actually be prosecuted for following an order that was blatantly illegal or caused great injury or death.
Every single guardsman and soldier who takes part in acts against the American people WILL be brought to justice. That I can guarantee you.
The president can pardon convictions under the UCMJ. Think about what that means. He can also pardon actions taken by ICE agents.
Important fact to remember in such times is that it took Hitler 6 months to destroy the German constitution so best not hang about chaps...tick tock!
I love the "call your lawyer" as if the rule of law is still a thing. Bless 'em
so innocent.
Plenty of upstanding military lawyers out there. If anyone needs a referral, I know many. Because it is military lawyers, state bar isn’t a barrier. But, true, rule of law is under attack.
Don't forget one of their first actions was to replace the JAGs with loyalists. This is why.
If they had started calling into question reps and senators at the base (impeach and indict, those crimes were on social media and tv) after 2021, we wouldn't have a gold-obsessed pedo king out of mythology. But 2019, something else happened. Blackmail and bribery took hold of the government.
And no country wants to help us because they don't want to out their own politicians, celebrities, oligarchs, and royalty. Throw in some journalists for good measure. Epstein made himself known in many ways in many countries. No one liked Trump. His name has always been tainted like plague and TB
Trump doesn't have 6 months to live
he is but the boil - much much pus to come. He's their perfect idiot. Our Money was always on him retiring with full pardon due to ill health in under a year and then it's a toss up between the tech fascists and the christian fascists.
Where do you get 6m? Most stuff was done in the first 2m.
Thats even worse and good to know. 6 months was a figure I was aware of for years, book or doc probably
He became Chancellor on 30.01.1933. On 24.03.1933, they passed the "Ermächtigungsgesetz", practically ending the Weimar Republic.
The reason the fact stuck with me was how it was a long build up they had to get there and then boom, it was done so fast. Really hoped it would be never again but here we are, eh? Slow build up and boom! Thanks for the learning point!
Having spent a bit of time in the military I’d have to take my hat off to any serviceman who can overcome the weight of peer pressure and conditioning to disobey any order, let alone an illegal one.
They will all fa/fo every one of them. Remember who they are.
You do not have to follow an unlawful order
The oath says: "defend the Constitution" the issue is: "enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC". Is violation: "Dereliction of Duty"? So how does a military having taken that oath decide what to do? I can form my own opinion but I am not the General on the spot.
Then way haven't they done their duty yet?
I have a horrible fear the military has made a decision to side with Trump vs the Constitution.
Stand down refuse to intimidate your fellow citizens! We are your mothers and fathers! We are your sisters and brothers! We are your cousins and aunts, uncles! We are your family!
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The power is with the People! Stand Up to the Authoritarian Criminal DonaldTrump! His orders are UnConstitutional
they will be court-martialing so many soldiers at this rate
So many of them seem to LIKE being used as the gestapo for their orange mussolini.
Any active military person should remember who had to pay for the crimes of the 3rd Reich. Hitler didn't. Himmler didn't. Most of the generals got away to South America. It was the grunts who ran the camps, the ones "following orders."
The Jews and the other people in the camps paid for the crimes.
The soldiers and followers paid FOR the crimes. (What they did to them) The Jews and the “others” WERE the crimes. (What was done to them)
Have you ever had to suffer? Because you don't seem to understand the price that people who are suffering pay.
What an assumption! You didn’t read my words very well. Here’s another chance 4u. Because they most definitely are suffering. But they are in no way paying a price or The price. They don’t owe anything because they suffer. It’s not paying. It’s something stolen from them. Ripped and torn apart.
They don't owe anything because they paid the price. We owe them. But they are dependent on the one who has the mandate and the prerogative for vengeance. Their problem is that they feel entitled to their vengeance. But He insists on being paid for His services. So there is an impasse.
I’ve gotten lost in the they, we, them, they, the one, their, they, their, He, His Sorry
That's okay. I was just thinking out loud.
It is your sworn duty NOT to obey ANY order from ANY authority that you believe to be illegal or immoral. And yes, you can be prosecuted for it.
They’re using Japanese internment camps now. It’s so shameful. This administration is trying to fool us all into complacency. Don’t fall for it.
“I was just following orders” is NEVER a good defence…
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100% and anyone who does your on watch !
If you find time before you get deported to Uganda.
It seems a lot of people only join the guard so they can shot someone. Most would have thought it would have been on another countries soil. Now they can do it in another state a lot less travel. how nice for them.
We need the NG to wake up and refuse to obey illegal orders
As in “A Few Good Men”
Well, yeah, but what happens if they’ve fired all the attorneys that are willing to call something illegal. Sir John Harington wrote “Treason doth never prosper. For if it prosper who dare call it treason?”
The underlying problem in today's military is proving that such orders are unlawful. Particularly difficult when you have a corrupt AG and a Secretary of Defense with a brain the size of a pebble. Time will tell...
Defining illegality will be way beyond many soldiers. The line between right & wrong will be difficult for some. Much is subjective and can change on a whim of a court.
Post this everywhere you see these anti-Constitution soldiers. Carry posters…
#Nuremberg
IF anyone will actually hold them accountable. Look to the leader, and supporters of Jan6. The leader was handed the presidency, full immunity, all the money and the military. Supporters? Got 4-5yrs prison max. That’s what we can expect IF this ends. Then back to the same’ol-same’ol. Land of the ME
Exactly.
Trump is paranoid & doubling down to take full control of the nation. Trump wants to make sure his deconstruction of the government is not overturned & to insure he is not convicted of his past & present crimes. This is a fascist Coup d'état, enabled by the religious right nationalists.
The soldiers who are volunteering for nazi dictator are his maga supporters.
Guess we’ll be testing this theory soon
I'm sick of testing these theories! Especially when cheating got us here!
I concur but suspect it’s going to get much uglier before…
SMH
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It’s time that “well ordered militia” formed up and marched on the Whitehouse. Drag him out. (He’s not capable of kicking and screaming).
What are they to do
Refuse.
And if t they're to afraid to refuse, they need to reconsider their career choices.
Anyone deploying on trump’s corrupt, unconstitutional whim, to carry weapons on American streets, is a disgrace to the uniform.
I hope the word gets out.
I took the oath in 1968 and still live it and honor it.
So when will they disobey.. they are as much to blame for this fascist government if they continue to follow his commands
Agreed, we were taught “When is an order not an order? When it’s illegal !”
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I can't with the "Ten Hut"😂 But definitely needs to be pounded over and over through their thick skulls.
However you can be out there armed and knowing that you will not shoot at civilians but at anyone unlawfully shooting at civilians should be the only reason good Americans respond.
Love this ❤️
I'm a veteran who refused two unlawful orders during my career. I was prepared to face the consequences under the UCMJ. One court found Trump's LA orders unconstitutional but an appeals court put the decision on hold. It may be too early for troops to refuse to deploy. Thoughts?
Reposted, to spread the message.
@judiciarydems.senate.gov Where is the joint resolution, or oversight? We are not under an emergency (NEA) 47's title 10 authority is unlawful.
This is absolutely brilliant.
👆👆👆👆👆👆 Say it louder!!
Can they also become Conscientious Objectors? All of this should be put on a flyer and distributed to all those patrolling DC.
Ten hut?
They'll be raiding his house next.
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Trump doesn’t care about the oath he took. But the military should be about keeping theirs without question.
So our National Guard under trump is positioning itself to kill Americans. trump is a dictator. We must fight this monster, now. Save our democracy.
Das ist ein ziemlich heißer Topf. Ich denke, wir sollten uns auf die Fakten konzentrieren und nicht auf persönliche Angriffe. Wer ist "wir" in diesem Kontext? Und was genau ist die Mission, von der man spricht?
My understanding is that the U.S. military is obligated to refuse a direct order from the president if that order is unlawful, as service members are sworn to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the United States and international laws.
We're going to be hanging people because of this coup attempt. They should be thinking about that. Cause with Trump running out of steam, MAGA is in great danger of breakup and defection. And we haven't forgot about the authors and enablers of Project 2025 either... You're on Santa's shit list.
I'm retired, but to be the hangman for these traitors --- I'll come out of retirement to "try something new".
There's going to be so many of them, you'll need to ask for bathroom breaks...
A court martial is basically due process for the military (for lack of a better term). Let them. Don't follow illegal orders and let them court martial you. Make sure it is as public as possible.
It's like no one ever saw "A Few Good Men".
Unit, Core, God, Country Incredible movie!
MAGA slides in there somewhere and maybe white guys now….its too far gone.
Corps…auto correct🤦🏻
Abs are pretty important when it comes to being on a wall, though. 😉
The conservative mind lionizes col Jessep. They think platoon and full metal jacket are badass movies.
Well, to be fair, they kind of are badass movies
Right but their takeaway isn’t holy hell that looks awful I couldn’t imagine the terror of war. It’s more ya dude, kick some ass
True, but I must admit that during my 15 years in the army, much of it in combat, it was more like, yeah dude, kick some ass. That was actually a little bit more preferable than the other guys kicking our asses.😛
How much loyalty to Dear Leader screening is being done of military and national guard troops before they're deployed to abuse citizens of their own country? Dictator wants, and needs, a Gestapo military that is loyal to him not the Constitution.
If you encounter Federal troops in your city, please ask them to call the military's GI Rights helpline for resisting illegal orders. The troops are trained to ignore protesters, so maybe holding up a big sign would be better. 1-877-447-4487 girightshotline.org
Im guessing most can’t afford an attorney.
The Legal Affairs Office is a component of every command within every military organisation. It's there to advise servicemembers. There is no charge - any more than the Command Surgeon charges for his/her services or the Command Historian charges for her/his analysis.
Feels like HR is not your friend.
And whose side are they on?
It looks like there are plenty that are willing to follow the hate monger
Easier said than done I'm sure.
I agree but most of our rank and file service people do not have attorneys. They are in between a rock and a hard place but will be forced to make a decision at some point. For anybody in ICE or any other federal agency that can walk away from an immoral, unconstitutional job, you have no excuse.
Anyone in the US claiming - ' people are claiming I am a dictator, many people are saying we need a dictator ' as not being insane, Unamerican, and a 2nd Coup attempt of the US, have lost all gravity perception of reality. Blood flows through and from everyone, it not a TV show.
But, the entire tRump Cabinet is there to serve one man. Not the US Constitution or the rule of law.
Milley is an American hero. Trumps a traitorous clown
Are most military Trumpers? Do they even care? Just asking.
In my 15 years in the army, it was my experience that the population of the military fairly closely mirrored the population in general. I knew liberals and I knew conservatives. I would guess that the percentage of trumpers is generally close to the same percentage in the General Public
But I certainly could be absolutely wrong
“Just following orders” is not a valid defense. Be on the right side.
Fact!
Orders matter. Soldiers—including Guard—are bound to follow lawful orders. Refusal = court-martial. If you believe it’s unlawful, raise it through your chain of command. That doesn’t mean you can just ignore it. #Military #NationalGuard #MisuseOfGuard
Soldiers don’t have lawyers on standby. I think they first would go to a lawyer on base and there they would be told to stfu, I imagine. Maybe a vet can confirm.
Soldiers do have lawyers on standby. They are called JAG officers. Whether or not those jag officers would tell them to STFU, I am not qualified to offer an opinion.
There's a difference between enlisted and officers in how these types of laws apply
The Nat'l Guard, FBI, DOJ, & nat'l security apparatus have defined purposes: helping during real crises/ disasters, fighting spies, opposing foreign hackers, finding & stopping terrorists, etc. When they are instead terrorizing immigrants & occupying US cities, they aren't doing these things.
While this is true, and I wish soldiers would heed it, it is extremely unlikely to achieve any result. The US military operates on a culture of fear, and the soldiers fear extrajudicial punishment from their immediate officers and retaliation from their peers FAR more than a possible court martial.
ball-less cowards
Right, but they're getting rid of nonloyals
The oath is to the constitution!
Something Trump said he could not remember…
They seem to have forgotten while blindly obeying a wannabe dictator. Shame.
Take the court martial. You will be reinstated when the smoke clears. God help them.
Unfortunately, the kids that joined the military in the last couple of decades had the same lack of education and were raised with the same arrogance and entitlement that created this mess. They're now sheep that do what they're told. And only an honorable military can get us out of this mess.
The UCMJ has specific language. Article 92. You must disobey unlawful orders. That includes violating the constitution, deploying forces against Americans exercising their 1st amendment rights and suppressing peaceful protesters.
Someone needs to keep reminding them of Nuremberg...they were just following orders, too.
The military, individually and collectively, will soon have to choose between allegiance to America, our constitution and our rule of law or fealty to a deranged, corrupt, aspiring dictator. The choices made, and the actions arising therefrom, will ultimately determine the fate of our nation.
The orders are illegal since it goes against the constitution!!
Exactly, the military can only provide supportive or technical assistance—such as equipment or training—to civilian law enforcement without violating the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, as long as personnel are not directly involved in activities like searches, seizures, or arrests.
How does one call their attorney on the battlefield?
Sadly I believe many of them want to do this
When I was in Bootcamp we learn about the service we are about to join & the laws we are required to follow. We were told IN BOOTCAMP to NOT follow illegal orders & that is BEFORE we are filling a job role in the military. This is a known thing among the military, don't let ANYONE tell you otherwise
Hegseth fired the JAG Corps for that very reason. They have no one to call.
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It should. Some of them are going to try the Nuremberg defense. It won’t work. Many probably don’t even know what Nuremberg is.
Soldiers who are deployed don’t have access to legal counsel. You’re also talking about young people who are likely from low income families. BTW, I’m not disrespecting our military. I’m saying this as a veteran. When I served, I knew people who were functionally illiterate.
Macnamaras million... A travesty
11-year-olds in adult bodies are gullible, and we have an overabundance of them.
Army Brat here. No matter where we were stationed, Fox News and Rush Limbaugh never stopped playing. If a TV or radio was on that was basically all you heard. Px, Bx commissary, hospital, dentist, barbershop, the gym, the office at school, teachers lounge, people’s houses, etc. Surrounded I tell ya
when I was in the USAF during the Reagan Era, my basic training squadron was administered a reading comprehension test. I received the highest score at a 12th grade level. I just graduated 12th grade. The average was 7th grade for a squadron that ranged in age from 18-30.
Soldiers who are deployed absolutely have access to legal counsel. That's why the military has JAG officers
JAG officers existing and them being accessible are two very diff things. There are resources for soldiers, however, there are often hurdles to accessing and using them. There’s also retribution. My point: we should not rely on conscientious objectors to save us. That’s folly.
I absolutely agree with your point. And I cannot speak to the conditions existing in the military today, but JAG officers being accessible were certainly a thing in my day. That is, they would be accessible if your commanding officers felt that you had a legitimate reason to see one
You see the entire military rising up against him? Because one or two PFCs calling their attorneys ain’t gonna work.
I mean, why not? There’s safety in numbers. If large groups of military disobey illegal orders, what is the govt going to do - court marshall all of them?
I’ve followed 2 or 3 of them who have already bowed out and each one of them was demoted and sent to a psych evaluation.That’s why I’m saying, it’s going to take the entire military to bow out.When you consider that there were active duty military involved in J6,not so sure they’re going to help us.
they're definitely feeling safe in numbers when they comply. Hard to feel the consequences when you can hide amongst other uniformed cowards.
Fair point
Yet we should absolutely continue to work to crack this pillar of autocracy. Because Courage is Contagious. Even in the military, I suspect.
We will see to it that none of our members will suffer consequences if they were being abused. Obeying traitorous commands has different escalations. Different assignments have different consequences. Most cases will be unique Maybe someone obeys to gather Intel before turning Maybe it saved a life
Unfortunately, it's more complicated and subtle than that, and officers have a different set of rules too. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwPL...
The problem with that argument is that unless it's a really obvious illegal order (shoot that child in the head) then most people won't have the confidence to say 'no', especially if you're a young soldier. Just look at the Iraq war. People were saying the exact same thing then.
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So why isn't Miley rounding up troops to take all the treasonous pubes out of office?
I'm just guessing here, but it might be because he is no longer a general
Since the pubes don't follow anything in the constitution.....?
Yeah pretty much
Are soldiers issued attorneys?
Yes. They are called JAG officers
There are no phone booths in Afghanistan, Gaza, Rwanda, Somalia nor Iraq anymore.
Now that troops from the Confederacy have invaded cities belonging to the Union in order to quell the actions of Black people, can we stop pretending that civil war is unlikely? Can we also promise to make sure that the traitors, if any survive, are imprisoned for life this time?
Honor your oath to the United States of America. Not to that fool Trump.
They'll do what they're told because of peer pressure and indoctrination, just as the military intends. There may be a few cases where soldiers disobey illegal orders, but 90% will obey. It'd take throwing babies into fires with pitchforks to get a majority to disobey, and then a few would anyway.
If only they were hearing that from current leadership
UCMJ Article 90 and 92 can try to be used against them. Contact a military attorney and cover your ass. Don’t raise a weapon on American soil against an American. It will not end well.
If that is the case then why are the upper brass even allowing the troops to be mobilized?
There are a few patriots left. I hope they are enough.
This should also apply to every single representative and every single Senator as well as to any member of the Cabinet . “We are not taking an oath to a wanna-be dictator… we take an oath to the constitution ” Too many are denying their oath and there should be consequences.
Most of them had their fingers crossed the whole time though. 🤞
Well when your commander and chief has gone full on insane Nazi. My question is for the Brigade, Battalion and Company commanders. What are you doing about this. What about your oath to country. Seek out a lawyer well versed in UCMJ and find out what course of actions are optional. 🇺🇸🫡
I think Democrats should allow a government shutdown this time so ICE and National Guard can’t be funded. It’ll be a sacrifice on all our parts, but it would be better than this dictatorship.
This is true. During Vietnam War, my late mother brought this up to my late father & in a letter to then president published in Washington Post.
I came from a generation where we held in the highest regard those who served in our military. That orange anus has now placed those soldiers and law enforcement agencies that we SHOULD be looking to for help and protection into the realm of people that are looked upon with suspect and loathing.
Illegal orders and liabilities arising from following them was dealt with at length in the trials that followed the My Lai massacre of 1968. Aged 10 I remember it being reported in British Newspapers. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_...
Maybe that happens on USS Enterprise. Not so much in real life.
If soldiers are given a blatantly illegal order they can legally refuse to obey it!
Remember the Nuremberg Trials
General Milley my wish for our Country is that a group of generals like yourself could do something about our current leadership, we need normal not fascism.
Unfortunately, there are high numbers of MAGA believers in both the National Guard AND the regular military and will happily obey their dear orange leader.
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So far, it looks like most of them agree with Trump to include police officers. But America is back into blue and blue eyes matter. That viciousness is now turned on you.
We need to be ready to stand up the troops who disobey immoral orders. We need to be ready to support their families, pay the bills, keep their children fed. If more hesitant ones see that their families are taken care of they’ll be more willing to defy. We need to stand up for the ones who say no.
Of course, refusing to follow an order later determined (or proclaimed) to be legal could itself result in a court martial...
Especially national guard. They are leaving their “real” jobs fir this illegality. They won’t be rewarded. They will be a pariah and then where will their families be?
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" foreign and domestic." Its sworn.
The Guard members are still under Title 32 orders, not active duty. They can pick up and leave whenever they want.
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Topical to the point, the National Guard can learn a little something about protecting the people from history:
Military members are under no obligation to obey an unlawful order. Stand down, my brothers & sisters. Our oath is bigger than Trump’s ego. - US Army Veteran #EpsteinTrump #99vs1
WE TAKE AN OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. “If we stick to the Constitution, we’ll be ok.” Trump has no control over the Constitution. WE DO.
The one with due process in it? Yeah…. About that.
It is so important THE PEOPLE ARE THE POWER!! We need to take our power back…immediately remove the lackeys throughout this government, starting with Congress and on down!!
Don't forget the SCROTUM (SCOTUS), & term limits for all offices. Let's examine in detail the "gifts" they received. Like all the luxury perks awarded to Clarence Thomas & his family. What others & their families are hiding benefits, gifts & special owed favors?
We just need millions to unite in the streets with plenty of guns and AMMO. Where are our billionaires when we need their money? Lmao
Please NOTE-- Obeying an illegal command can RESULT in a Court Martial.! #soldiers #army #navy #airforce #marines #coastguard #nationalguard
The bottom line is, historically the Trump administration does illegal things over and over. So as military you are being thrown into a bees nest. Don’t be nobody’s and follow his criminality and hurt U.S. citizens from sea to shining sea. Be somebody’s, be Americans and fight off illegal orders.
Too bad over 60% of them voted for Trump. That many of them wanted this. I feel bad for the ones who did not want this, but not for the ones who voted for Trump and want to massacre their own civilians. There should be a special category of contempt, shame, & most importantly, punishment for them.
I wish I could scream this everywhere!!!
"Call your attorney"? Does everybody else have an attorney on retainer? Did I miss the memo?
Anyone in the military absolutely has an attorney on retainer. They are called JAG officers
I never met a JAG officer at my command. Does one simply ask their CO for an attorney when an unlawful order is given?
From my experience, 15 years in the army, I would think that you would have never met a jog officer unless you went to the Jag offices. It's not like they Wonder around asking individual soldiers how they're doing. And, yes, one would go through the chain of command in order to see a Jag officer
Honey, most of the military is MAGA now, yes, there will be those who say they’re not MAGA but we’ll see when the order comes out who’s who 🤷♀️
Can we please get anti fascist law firms to form a pro bono coalition to represent military personnel who want to fight the segregationist fascist agenda of Republicans?
I look forward to the day when Trump, @jd-vance-1.bsky.social, Hegseth and Noem are held accountable. Justice will prevail. Knowing that truth wins out will be something I can take pride in every single day. I don't believe Leavenworth carries hair gel, Botox or loose couches. #FuckTrump
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Well… there will be a lot to do…
Said the general who blindly walked with trump so he could show his Bible.
We need a shadow government where senior members of the Democratic party meet with any country in which Trumps makes deals. Democrats need to advise those countries, if they make illegal or immoral agreements with Trump, that when we regain control of the government, we will hold them liable.
Taking direction like on January 6?
Do they not realize, they are being sent out without masks? Ice wears em because they don’t want to be caught for their crimes. If the guards crime is following that order, they will be found and prosecuted in the after times.
Anyone old enough to remember William Calley and Viet Nam?
Louder this isn’t understood
Yes & there are many of us already calling on whoever comes next to prosecute everyone who is a traitor! That will be any military member who does not obey our US Constitution! That is "who" US military members swore an oath to! It is illegal for any military to act against any US citizen!
Will the American military fire on its own citizens? They did at Kent State University, unarmed protesters were massacred.
Of course they will. Ask one. I live near many bases. If you think they won’t I’m guessing you don’t meet many.
That’s when the shit hits the fan. I think it’s very possible.
"Thank you for your service" is about to become "fuck your service" with the enabling jarheads in active service.
My stepfather (a drill Sargent of Marines and veteran of Vietnam) is probably rolling in his grave 💔🌿 bs"d
How does one call their attorney? Many people, most?, don’t have an attorney they can just call up. Only attorneys I have are tax and estate ones.
Also, who can afford an attorney?