And in response I’m arguing that they are in fact similar in many ways. Nothing in history is ever exactly the same, but the rhymes are there. I said they sound alike, not that they are in fact the same. It sounds like you are arguing it can’t happen here, but it is happening, right now.
I'm not saying Trump is not a fascist, I'm convinced he is. I'm saying that it might be a bit early to give up, and that despite all the fascist aesthetics and racist dog-whistling, America hasn't been conquered, that's all.
I didn’t claim it’s over, just pointing out it can happen here.
Trump rose to power out of collective anger at perceived economic decline, Hitler rose to power out of collective anger at actual economic collapse. These two things are not the same.
So the inflation and recession in the 80s, the prime mortgage collapse and resulting global financial crisis, the productivity and wage gap, and Covid recession were all perceived economic declines?
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This is arguing something different. Again, my main point was that Hitler was not popular when he rose to power. Destroying your own standing in the world is a different topic.
Not when destroying your own standing is directly affecting your popularity amongst your current and prospective base
Good, I hope it backfires. But he's still in power and until all of MAGA is removed from power the threat of consolidation remains.
I don’t think the regime understands what it means to actually earn the support of your base. They’re actively fucking them over and taking credit for it. Most Americans are not in favor of any of Trumps policies. At least Hitler delivered on the promises of Lebansraum
> At least Hitler delivered on the promises of Lebansraum ok dude.
This is a deliberate misreading of my statement, but that trends with your general reading comprehension
Compared to paying for bread with wheelbarrows full of reichsmarks? Yes. The two scenarios are fundamentally different. The 80s didn’t take place against the backdrop of Versailles, coupled later with the Stock Market Crash.
The hyperinflation happened 10 years before Hitler rose to power though. His popularity only grew as the economy recovered in the 30s and solidified through propaganda about it. Still seems meaningfully similar to what we've seen over the past 20-40 years, especially if we're talking about trauma.
The same amount of domestic support
His rise was not instantaneous and took place throughout the 20s, where most of his support came from young men and army veterans fresh off of a catastrophic conflict on their home front. Again, I think you’re working too hard to conflate these as identical situations. Trump doesn’t have nearly
And Trump wasn't elected for the first time last year... Trump's rise started during the global financial crisis with the Birther movement; when we really were in the throes of true economic pain never said it was identical but that it sounds the same. I think you're working too hard to not see it
I don’t think you have any conception of how much worse and desperate conditions in Germany were during the 20s than in contemporary American history.
Ok, feel free to believe it won't happen here because it's not exactly like the Wiemar republic.
Yeah that’s not what I’m saying, but feel free to keep jerking yourself off about your ingenious conclusion that the dang Cheeto is just Orange Hitler
I'm not the first or only one to point out the parallels between the rise of MAGA and the rise of Nazism. It's been pretty widely discussed, tbh, especially before his first election in 2016 And everyone keeps saying "shh, it's not the same" and it just keeps getting worse and growing more similar.