Eh. I’ll feel bad for him when Americans stop bum licking their genocidal military raping and pillaging the third world tbh. The kind of rhetoric in response to this is never applied to their victims.
Eh. I’ll feel bad for him when Americans stop bum licking their genocidal military raping and pillaging the third world tbh. The kind of rhetoric in response to this is never applied to their victims.
Side note: “great Russians” simply refers to Russians, it was an archaic term implemented by the tsarist empire: Belarusians were “White Russians” and Ukrainians were “little Russians”. So was more so just language of the time rather than as a “descriptor”.
Lenin’s “on the pride of the great Russians” is a nice short article/essay which shits on reactionaries like this who seem to adopt this “patriotic nationalism” to justify the oppression of others.
Mayan genocide East Timor genocide ‘The dirty war’ in Argentina Pinochet’s chile Batista’s Cuba The Shah’s regime Cointelpro (e.g. Fred Hampton) Lula’s imprisonment (Bolsanaro) Bolivian coup 2019 Operation Condor Italy 48’ elections Yeltsin 96’ Etc…
Yeah they live in the UK that’s the point? (So they’re not a settler therefore) unless I’m missing the point here lol?
Yep sorry my bad about the death figures I should’ve reread Wheatcroft and Davies section before I wrote, yes it was 5.5million and around 3million Ukrainians.
- to the USSR considering that by that logic I can apply that to any nation pretty much… Political repression? America, UK, France,etc I guess they’re now Nazis. Crimes against Humanity? I guess every nation fighting the Nazis is guilty and on their level in this specific WW2 context.
Also “not Nazi crimes in general” Tf you mean mate. The Holocaust was one of the most significant Nazi crimes; along with the Invasion of the USSR which murdered approx. 27million Soviets. I’m judging them based on their bloody crimes mate. Not whether or not their “average crime” is comparable-
-archives were released so understanding of the history was not as reliable, which all historians would agree with hence why there was a massive reevaluation of Soviet history once people had access to said archives.
Lemkin never delved deep into the topic, he lived in a time where he had no access to Soviet archives, so it was the assumption this was the case; I suggest you watch the BE video from 23:33 onwards… Lemkin didn’t study Holodomr specifically; it was a passing comment and it was before the Soviet/
Bluesky isn’t really the platform for me to delve into a topic due to the limited word count- I’ll link an article I would base my argument around if you want to read it: www.jstor.org/stable/15278...
Revisionism is not the same as denial you’re putting words into my mouth. My point is that you’re using arguments that Nazis use. You’re aligning with the idea that Nazis=USSR, which Nazis promote to minimise their crimes (I.e. the Holocaust).
-shouldn’t equate them.
I’m referring to the fact that your talking point is used by literal Nazis to minimise their crimes. Look into the double genocide theory- it’s right there… it’s not exactly hard to contend with… I fully believe Stalin did evil things, as did Churchill, FDR,etc but in the context of WW2 you-
“My feelings towards communism are identical to my feelings towards Nazism” Commonly this is in reference to the USSR… but if you want to go down the path of other communist projects, fine. China- No. Cambodia-perhaps, but they weren’t implementing socialist policies so what’s even the point then…
(Or read Wheatcroft and Davies!!!)
Also it wasn’t 5million Ukrainians… it was between 1-2million and the famine had total deaths amounting to approx.3-3.5million depending on whose estimates (use Wheatcroft and Davies!) If you want watch BadEmpanada’s video on the matter…
Show conclusive evidence of it being deliberate historians have been looking it for ages. There is less evidence to suggest it was “deliberate” than to suggest it was unintentional; considering Kazakhs and Russians died (in the case of Kazakhs a higher proportion of their population died aswell)
Ahh yes because there’s just as bad as the Holocaust. You keep strawmaning this Stalinist figure in your mind. I have no problem saying Stalin did shitty and outright awful things. Just as I can say the same about Churchill, FDR, etc- but in the context of WW2 I don’t equate them w/ Hitler…
Read Wheatcroft and Davies bro…
Look into “double genocide theory” and you’ll understand why people correctly think you’re doing holocaust revisionism.
Never said I was, but equating them to Nazism is something that most scholars (left and right) agree is revisionism. It’s used by Nazis themselves to minimise their crimes and justify their genocides of Soviet peoples. Baltic states use it to minimise their role in the Holocaust as well…
Yeah equating the two is Holocaust revisionism, care to explain why you think the two are the same?
Well maybe don’t use Nazi talking points to make your arguments then. Youre equating the two. Most people understand that’s Holocaust revisionism… maybe you should learn history a lil bit.
-is stupid because it’s widely accepted it was done to buy time… You want a gotcha? Finland helped genocide 800,000 in Leningrad!!! Poland helped the Nazis as well, and took parts of Slovakia!!! Many in the Baltic states (civilians included) helped round up Jews for extermination!!!
You clearly have no understanding of history considering Stalin and the USSR initially pushed for an anti-fascist alliance but were then rejected by the allies in favour of appeasement. The Nazis anti-Slavic genocidal ideology meant their invasion of USSR was near certain… to think it’s a betrayal-
Telling people to get over the Holocaust is what a Nazi would say mate. You aren’t contending with my points, youre adhering to Nazi talking points… and then just repeating them as though they’re self-evident…
That’s what the Finnish army contributed to when siding with the Nazis mate…
“Worlds most aggressive empires”- there are 3 separate entities you’re mixing together: Tsarist Empire, USSR and modern Russia. Also, Russia is nowhere near the scale of American imperialism- both economic and militarily (see Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Palestine, etc).
Edit: as what Jewish, Roma, Polish, Russian,etc culture was under/during the holocaust*
Ukrainian culture is nowhere near under the same threat as the Holocaust. You can call something bad a refrain from doing Holocaust revisionism you do realise this?
Yeah Biden also helped genocide Palestinians and drone striked Yemeni children.
Spice you’re Welsh!? Would you support a Welsh independence movement to create a united Celtic nation with Ireland? (Note: not comparing Welsh inconveniences to the subjugation of the Irish… the Welsh could participate in their Imperialism, the Irish were its victims)
The casualties are 100% civilian. Every single Gazan was innocent. Resistance to settler colonialism is necessitated by settler colonialism in the first place… I support their resistance to genocide and settler colonialism ✊
That’s ridiculous… the Jewish population has only recently risen to levels pre-Holocaust. The Yiddish language is severely decimated, and various cultures have also been decimated (e.g. Polish Jews). Then the Romani peoples as well severely suffered… Ukrainian culture still exists and is fine.
Love that language “huge impact”- huh in what way? I’m sure you think it’s positive looking at what you’ve been saying. Something like 100million Indians died from famine under the Raj. That’s in India alone mate.
Yeah “protect” your people by contributing to the seige of Leningrad mate 👏 Now you just gone and murdered 800,000 civilians 👊👊
Legit holocaust revisionism here btw… this is the arguments found in reactionary circles in Germany and particularly the Baltic states… acting as though that the Soviets did anything remotely on the scale of Nazism… many do this to minimise their own nation’s role in the Holocaust.
So he murdered nearly a million civilians (or contributed to it)- wow how noble! Conscripted… how sad… oh no… maybe just, idk, not genocide people?
Cooks and nurses and other such occupations perceived as “minor” are some of the most important aspects of the system. They feed soldiers so they can have more energy to do more genociding and imperialism. Your grandfather, therefore, contributed to the Holocaust.
Finally someone actually sane here lmao
And then preceded to participate in the seige of Leningrad which murdered 800,000 civilians and what would probably constitute genocide.
My grandfather fought against the Soviets in WW2. No. Full stop.
Imperialist scum, genocidal idiot.
Peak fucking liberalism right here… ‘I’m sorry if you live under a monarchy, we want to be inclusive’- MF liberalism was founded on the basis of attacking the monarchy… look at the bloody French Revolution, liberals trying not to have a milk toast and watered down opinion about anything is sad af.
Damn racism against those “asiatic hordes” is truly the sign of an account that lives up to the “live for all” (but votes democrats) name. You’ve just referred to an entire group of people as “inferior” you fucking disgusting Nazi.
Pretty much has been for a lot of its time in the ‘mainstream’. The brief attempts to undergo a renaissance to its more ‘radical’ (though ultimately bourgeois led) past via Corbyn all but confirmed this to us all. I’m glad Corbyn left to make a new party and didn’t just do what SSaunders did…
liberals are in this weird position of needing to believe that kamala lost because the left drew a red line at genocide, but also needing to believe that kamala didn't lose because she supported genocide, which explains why they are Being Like This
Oh my god 😭😑
Keir Starmer is appointing a former Sun editor to a top government comms role, while watering down the Hillsborough Law. Bootlicking the Murdoch press, betraying the people of Liverpool and insulting every campaigner for justice. Justice For The 97.
It’s an ethnostate because it actively pursues a Jewish majority population via restrictions on who can actually live there and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. A country with a majority “Islam” (btw very generalised) isn’t the same thing as actively pursuing a majority ethnicity in a state.
Yet you support Israel…. So I guess you’re both shit
Ahh yes, let’s just look at all the times the IDF has mowed down starving Palestinians with their aid set up to lure them out to be exterminated! They still go because they die either way…. You are a genocidal imperialist apologist, go to hell.
Wait what did the guy tweet, he blocked me lmao 😭
Damn I got blocked, tells you what you need to know about the genocidal imperialist
Still invaded Afghanistan, which killed minimum of 200,000 people. The American military is genocidal and imperialist, it suppresses the poorest people in the world in places like Yemen, Iraq and Afghanistan. The IDF does similar shit to the US- they’re both awful genocidal imperialists.
“Israelis safety” 😑 Their society largely supports the genocide and Israel is a settler colonial ethnostate. It’s as if “Israelis safety” is under threat when they do settler colonialism and imperialism- this would be like mentioning “standing up for white South Africans safety” during Apartheid.
2 state solution 😑😑😑😑😑 Cause that’s worked before hasn’t it? Force Palestinians to make concessions to the settler colonial and genocidal ethnostate?
The party name is going to be decided at its inauguration (or soon after) by the members right? Cause idk if the “your party” party rolls off the tongue. If so what name would you want?
Notice how you call it a “war”? Its genocide denial and the epitome of manufactured consent, you are actively trying to portray the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians as the horrors of war; there are no two sides to this, it is the genocidal zionists versus the indigenous Palestinians.
See! You don’t disagree with Trump’s strikes on Iran for any moral reason, you disagree with them because they’re done by Trump. Harris would’ve done the same thing! It’s the American genocidal Imperialist war machine after all!! You are disgusting (also Obama/Biden loved drone striking Yemen)
You want Hamas destroyed? You’re actively promoting genocidal narratives you do realise? Hamas is the governing body of Palestine/Gaza so idek why you think they should be destroyed. This rhetoric is implying the genocide is ‘accidental’ (or uncharacteristic of Israel)- Zionism made it inevitable.
Yeah well I wonder why, oppressing the Palestinian people leads to Hamas… Hamas are resistors to settler colonialism; I do not shit on native Americans for fighting against the colonisers. Stop acting like Israelis are the victims here, they colonised Palestine and created an apartheid state.
Genocidal Zionist strikes again, Kamala Harris is the greatest person ever! Definitely not a war criminal!!! Your politics amounts to ‘Trump bad’ ‘democrats good’. How about they’re both shit and both disgusting genocidal war criminals? Israel is a settler colonial ethnostate.
@bsky.app @support.bsky.team thinks it’s “rude” to point out the genocide Imperialism of AOC, but I’m sure they’ll allow for the perpetuation of genocidal narratives (and not “moderate” them even slightly)
Genocidal Imperialist scum.
Genocidal imperialist scum, you’re right wing and not a socialist; stop appropriating leftist ideas and support, either stick to these values or oppose them.
@badempanada.com what are your thoughts on Zara’s Sultana and Jeremy Corbyn? Who far exceeds the ‘radicals’ Americans have to offer. I do feel they’re far better and genuinely have principles, so I was wondering how to approach their politics? (I.e. would you be cautious to avoid the SSanders trap)
I hope so 🤞
Surely they can do some sort of coalition anyway right? Like Lib Dem’s and Tory’s in 2010 or whatever.
“Vote blue no matter who” mfs when it comes to voting for someone good:
‘We want peace’ MFs when their ally does a “pre-emptive bombing” of another country: Keir starmer is a tool.
You fought for an imperialist power that killed 1million Iraqis.
Ops on bomber Harris?
Can you Explain how JFK and carter were socialist, like what polcicies of there’s do you think were socialist?
-I don’t see why they can’t have their interpretation be seen as valid. Barthes rolling in his grave rn.
Yeah it wouldn’t make any sense aswell, cause every word is intentional- they made a decision to include a specific feature of the story to further their narrative. Anyway, even if it didn’t have a deeper meaning, if someone interprets it in a way that is convincing and aligns with the narrative-
It was a lie with Hitler because they never implemented socialist policies, though funny thing is the state owned parts of the MOP (so maybe it was socialist in your eyes 🤣🤣). Lenin did implement socialist policies. The Nazis appropriated terminology to gain support from German workers.
-es on the rich, am I correct in saying so? They were staunch capitalist imperialists, therefore your ‘reforms’ can be achieved under capitalism.
Anarcho Socialists are included here aswell, they’d argue that the same thing Im arguing because you do not advocate for anything remote to WO MOP. Again, your politics can be achieved under capitalism ergo socialism is not necessary in your eyes. You want to return to Truman/Eisenhower high tax-
Yes but YOU advocate for more Social security as the be all and end all of your “democratic socialism” am I correct in saying so? This can be achieved under capitalism, welfare policies exist under Keynesian economics which is capitalism- you aren’t advocating for anything uniquely socialist.
Society was not organised like this under hunter gatherers.
It isn’t always had an alpha though, you said like Andrew Tate fella. Read Engle’s origins on the family, private property and the state. The concept of a ruler began once agriculture began, person with big farm=food and food=life therefore big farm necessary therefore work for big farm person.
… therefore he couldn’t really do much but watch Stalin appropriate it. And look even then Stalin is probably your average war criminal dictator. He’s evil and deserves to sit in hell. I mean Andrew Jackson lowkey worse lmao.
Give me a source saying Lenin’s goal was a dictatorship for himself, what in his life had shown anything but the contrary. His advocation for liberating Russians and work towards WO MOP was good, at first. The civil war forced him to sieze ownership and by its end he was incapacitated…
Which meant little input from his vision and Stalin appropriating his vision. Lenin had his problems, but he definitely believed in his ideology- even his enemies admit as much.
Lenin wasn’t just lip service he bloody contributed significantly to the academic work- read state and revolution. He introduced concepts like the vanguard party which was highly influential in the USSR and he advocated for women emancipation. He was incapacitated by 1920 due to several strokes.
Cuba is defo more socialist than Sweden? It has its problem and there’s far too little worker input, and it’s clear the goal is not to provide WO MOP but that Sweden does that to a lesser extent. There are no billionaires in Cuba, private property is kept to a minimum, etc. Sweden does not do that.
Yes but I think you fault to consider that you cannot mix the two- you are just doing welfare capitalism, you believe in welfare good 👍 You need to own it, socialism is its own economic system- you cannot have one or the other, decide.
Socialism traces its origins to Europe and enlightenment? Owen also formulated his concepts in Britain before a test in America for 2 years in Indiana (new harmony) so not exactly like its origins are in America. Also look at others like Saint-Simon, there is origins in Europe first. (Though idc)
-aswell as people like Hegel influencing Marx and Engles,etc (Note the French revolution was ultimately a bourgeoise revolution).
Yeah, but that’s how all theories and concepts are developed, overtime academics refine and work on them and provide new evidence and form new conclusions based on the evidence. Socialism also, though not in name, can be found as a concept in stuff like the French Revolution.
Human nature is not greedy though, natural instincts prove selflessness is advantageous. Capitalism and material conditions incentivise greed. Same way feudalism and Slavery did aswell. The invention of agriculture began this. Primitive communism was cooperative.
You can also debate other versions of socialism, anarcho socialism is an example of that. Their version of socialism is often included as their work was highly influential, academics working in socialism are always familiar with their works as they’re basically required reading.
What about before: are you including Truman as socialist? Or JFK and LBJ and Carter? Are you saying that the dems were socialist before Clinton, where is the cut off point for you?
Yes and no, they were communists because they aimed to each a communist mode of production and society. No in the technical term that they did not reach that. Also keep that Lenin slander away, man freed people from the Russian empire-Stalin appropriated the revolution.