Then you simply have nothing substantial to offer the conversation.
Then you simply have nothing substantial to offer the conversation.
Appealing to authority when you’re called out for demonstrating your ignorance is an obvious indicator that you didn’t learn much in those 45 years and you are, as you say, shit. Why not go out and learn something instead of crying about the younger and better-informed?
What you’re saying is it’s too early for you to hear views on the primary you don’t like. It’s never going to be too early for you to express your views.
Then don’t demand anyone bend the knee to Newsom. See how that cuts both ways?
This bullshit would be more convincing if we couldn’t look across the pond and see exactly what voting for the open bigot in the ostensibly progressive party gets you.
Who chose the framing of “Did Harris do it right?” over “Did Trump do it right?” or “Which candidate is preferable?” Was it baked into the question or did the respondent volunteer it?
Okay, but did you ask this person why they didn’t see the Trump campaign as unserious or as “entertainment”? It’s not about judging anyone so much as figuring out why only the agency of Democrats in view?
I think that tracks. How broadly or narrowly you draw the comparison is really up to you (a philosophy that works great on social media). For me my head went to “I have made my mind a sunless place” which isn’t necessarily the vibe I get from Platner but that’s more about my interpretation.
It really isn’t.
I don’t see Republican voters in any state balking at seeing dissenters disenfranchised. All they’re going to be thinking about is that they just almost lost an election but Trump has saved them from that kind of embarrassment forever.
Too late. The cuts already happened. It’s all about allocation now.
Correct.
If nothing else, you’re an enabler and you’ve bought their worldview hook, line and sinker.
You’re not hacking anything. You’re just a spoiled baby demanding the whole world give you and your neighbors everything they want right now without ever having to reciprocate or even having to hear a negative thought from the people you exploit.
I actually gave you an alternative to putting up if you couldn’t hack it, which you obviously can’t.
You were never entitled to a lifetime of playing Lucy with the football. If you want a society with us, you gotta put the fuck up or shut the fuck up.
Damn, I guess you should talk to your neighbors about all the loldancing they’ve been doing for the last decade. If the social fabric frays anymore you fine folks might have to face some fucking consequences instead of expecting others to bear them.
They have had inordinate electoral success celebrating the misery of others. They are currently sitting on a trifecta built on openly celebrating the misery of others. Backlash against rural chauvinism is neither avoidable nor a crisis for progressives.
It’s not. That’s why more efficient urban hospitals which can support more people should not be cut in favor of rural hospitals. That would raise the total amount of deprivation in the system and implicitly elevate the value of life in rural areas over others.
Rural hospitals.
And you think it will be easier to connect the collapse of the hospital system to the concentration camps in the minds of rural voters if both consequences are suffered exclusively by communities they openly disdain and they are completely insulated? This is the thinking that brought us here.
When the party of rural people took the federal government and its borrowing power out of the system they literally made it a zero sum game because state and local governments have to balance their budgets. They did this because they understand it as zero-sum even with borrowing on the table.
Yes, even that one.
Normalize primarying incumbents for being too old.
What if I told you the food is picked by the people the salt-of-the-earth volk voted to throw in concentration camps?
This is backpedaling to you? Lmao.
I have a big soft spot for things that are in between. Like I really enjoy Jenny Nicholson’s videos on theme parks. I don’t even like going to them, but I think her commentary is really interesting and gets me thinking deeply about something that I would otherwise trivialize.
I think there’s something here but I am also skeptical of the ways people often draw this line for others. Like is it simply that all genre fiction is for babies? Star Wars is pretty clearly for babies but I honestly did get a lot out of watching Andor.
Might want to buckle up because you’re going to be hearing lots of criticism of primary candidates over the next few years. That’s kinda what happens in primaries.
And I’m saying framing a loyalty pledge as a hypothetical doesn’t make it not a loyalty pledge. If you’re not for Newsom why do you need anyone to surrender to him without a fight? It’s too early and too counterproductive to strongarm people.
Okay so it’s not so much that you’re engaged in good faith but someone somewhere unrelated to me said something mean to you, so you don’t need to engage in good faith? You can give yourself a break anytime you like. Don’t let the door hit you.
You’re the one playing the game though. You’re demanding they bend the knee when a single vote hasn’t even been cast in the primary. Frankly it’s absurd to expect unconditional support from any voter. Why try to strongarm anyone 3 years out? You don’t even have the leverage you’re implying.
It’s “a little insane” to pretend you’ve been engaging in good faith.
It’s not binary til your guy wins the primary.
Hmm, like calling people insane? Interesting whose vitriol matters lmao.
Vote Blue No Matter Who is fundamentally toxic and entirely counterproductive to building the solidarity necessary to win. You should be seeking to build an enthusiastic coalition, not a miserable one.
If Newsom won the primary and then lost the general, what would you do? Probably just keep on trolling. Which would in turn make it more difficult for you to convince Trans folks and their allies to vote for another Democrat in 2032 even if that Democrat were to make exceptions.
When you make the calculation that you can win more votes without a group than with them, you have to own that choice. Condescending to them about how you’re entitled to their vote without addressing their concerns doesn’t win them to your side. It just makes it harder for you to reverse course.
I guess it’s in your best interest to find a compromise candidate in the primary who can hold the coalition well enough to win in the general, huh?
Imagine the world where Ebon-Moss Bachrach plays Bruce Wayne and Alan Ritchson plays The Thing. Honestly both dudes knock both roles out the park.
Seems like there are a lot of superheroes known for being giant dudes. All the ones I can think of are Marvel but that’s probably a me problem.
Honestly my read on this is Democrats best shot at taking the seat was running the “everybody dies” video on repeat through November 2026 and that option is off the table now.
I strongly recommend this. I’m also guilty of dunking on him a lot but honestly I think both he and the rest of us would be better off if he fucked off back to twitter to stew his brain in Nazism while we do our thing. Doesn’t help obviously that the pod save guys are platforming him on trans stuff.
Generally speaking no, in this context, possibly justifiable?
“Why won’t you all have good faith civil discourse with me.” Lmao. Bad faith troll every single time.
Sure, banning trans care up to the age of 25 is transphobic. Does that help?
Perhaps you’d have a better time on the nazi app?
I don’t really see what you’re trying to accomplish here. If you have a better time talking to twitter nazis, go hang out with the twitter nazis. I don’t get anything out of that and I don’t know anyone who does, but you do you.
It’s important to understand that Erdogan is where he is in part because he convinced a lot of people that he was offering stability and prosperity through an authentically more liberal Republic. For a time he delivered on that promise.
A deeper reading of Turkish politics could better support Weissman’s position. Early 2000s AKP brought inflation down by breaking the power of urban conservative patronage networks in favor of more independent institutions. Inflation spiked in the second AKP decade as Erdogan consolidated power.
Inflation is central to how Turkish people remember the governments which preceded AKP. Older Turkish shop owners still sometimes give prices as, say, “10 Milyon” when they mean “10 Lira” because they remember a time when normal commerce was conducted in absurd prices.
I think comparative politics is great and I’m especially interested in comparing and contrasting Turkiye and the US. I just don’t think Weissman works the Turkish side of the equation very deeply. This kind of analysis should probably reckon with the historical reality of Turkish inflation.
My guess is he’s trying to play off “banana republic” but “banana republic” wasn’t about the use of bananas as a cultural signifier for the impacted communities. It was about the US propping up dictatorships to protect Dole and Chiquita’s colonial interests.
www.theargumentmag.com/p/were-becom... Maybe this is petty, but Weissman’s comparative politics lens here isn’t particularly insightful. What is a Döner Republic exactly? A Republic where people eat Döner? That indeed describes both the US and Turkiye.
We’re probably just not thinking about the catastrophic downstream consequences of FDA regulation we’re all suffering right now.
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If he says Nog I will immolate myself on the streets of Bangor like a Vietnamese monk for this man. I regret that I have but one life to give for our new king.
All these Blue MAGAs running around screeching “Look would you rather vote for a guy who loves TEMU JarJar or a Republican?” And man, this is what the primaries are for. We have so much time to avoid this exact situation.
Yep. Financial Times.
But Andrew, you’re just not thinking of the downstream consequences of a culture of accountability for people who are not poor.
You implicitly believe the children of those who voted against the medicaid cutting party are equally expendable. Perhaps moreso since cutting urban hospitals to prop up rural ones would be less efficient and cause more suffering to more children overall.
Incentivizes their parents to vote for candidates who will support the safety net we all depend on instead of destroy it in an effort to punish urban minorities. Y’know, the thing they did that created the crisis we must now deal with.
Just like rural America. Try actually thinking about this instead of shooting from the hip.
Well then you are simply ignoring actual history.
If machines are reflections of their makers, how could we expect them to exhibit a virtue we do not reliably exhibit ourselves.
Lmao, projection at its finest.
I keep pointing out that the people who actually pick the crops are being thrown into camps at the behest of the Real Americans we ostensibly inadequately respect.
They are.
I love all the moralism coming from these people who have so obviously and completely internalized a supremacist worldview.
This observation makes us fascists apparently.
I don’t have to cower before the lies you project onto me. I won’t apologize for the demon you’ve invented out of whole cloth. If you wish to continue engaging, you will have to do so in good faith. Last chance before the block.
Oh so you hate waffles then?
We’ve already been over this and I won’t repeat myself.
Oh but you did.
I am simply matching your energy. You might want to ask yourself what sort of conversation you were hoping for and how you could have approached me better to achieve that. At least that’s what you’d do if you were operating in good faith.
I actually voted against the closing of the hospitals. You’re whining at the wrong guy too late.
Well then they are having the wrong conversation with the wrong people about a year past the point they could make that difference.
Do you hate waffles?
I’d love to hear you explain what you think “bad faith” means.
Collective punishment is when people vote to close their own hospitals. I am very smart and serious.
Woosh
Oh, so you hate waffles?
See, you’re not even listening. I just explained so clearly why that isn’t so but you can’t break out of your feelings long enough to have an honest discussion. I’ll give you one last chance, but next one’s a block, okay? How you wanna do this?
That simply isn’t true and anyone with half a brain can read this exchange and see that. I’ll engage in good faith with anyone willing to engage in good faith, but you have to show it.
As a hint, if you’re earnestly confused you can always ask me what I mean.
You could just read my post and see that it’s not. I won’t engage further with bad faith. I’ll give you exactly one shot to engage in good faith if you want to. Otherwise I’m happy to block. Take your pick.
You’re like a hummer driver insisting you will literally die if the gas tax goes up a quarter because driving is a necessity of American life. You can just trade it in for a prius dude.
They’re less likely to grow up bigoted little shits if their parents move into the cities and suburbs where they will be exposed to diverse communities and viewpoints without the lens of Fox News and OANN. Rural life is a luxury and should be priced like a luxury instead of subsidized.
Guess who the fuck else did dipshit.
Again, you are projecting so hard right now. Take your own advice. There is literally nothing I can do to about your tantrum for you.
You just want urban poor people to die because you’ve been conditioned to view their lives as expendable by white supremacy.
Oh so you hate waffles?
The key is that I actually understand the reality of the situation so I recognize that you are mindlessly projecting your own selfish inhumanity onto me.
I don’t know what civil society organization can put that together. The party does not have the institutional capacity.
Ideally we wouldn’t even be talking about a militarized opposition, more like mass non-violent direct action. But that might be the biggest lift of all. You’re probably talking about 10-100 normies voluntarily putting themselves at risk of death or jail for every paramilitary Trumpist.
Not trying to be a doomer but I find it difficult to be comforted by this without some sense of who the hypothetical opposing force would be. Marshaling forces to launch an autogolpe is a big lift. Marshaling forces to oppose one might be a bigger lift.
Also, you gotta love the absolute cowardice of blocking me from replying.
Still not getting it. It’s the rural poor who voted for their own hospitals to close. I’m just not willing to close my hospital to save them from their own mistake. I’m also not going to clutch my pearls or grovel for forgiveness.
