She literally says they have no intention of leaving. Home Secretarys have been wanting to reform article 8 for 30+ years. This is speculation being blown up based on a single no controversial statement. This isnāt anything.
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She literally says they have no intention of leaving. Home Secretarys have been wanting to reform article 8 for 30+ years. This is speculation being blown up based on a single no controversial statement. This isnāt anything.
The story is not what you think. www.theguardian.com/politics/202...
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Nah, theyāve just got bad comms & even when they do say anything it either gets twisted or not reported.
No, I think the person who posted it has me blocked. š
Itās blocked for me
Oh dear, do you think everyone who doesnāt agree with your delusions is Reform? Bless
Aww, thinking the use of misrepresentative headlines, misinformation and presenting positive actions as negatives is a clever response! Bless you for trying! Getting immigration isnāt racist, nor is stopping criminals from exploiting them. But Iām guessing logic plays no part in your thinking
Absolutely agree (although MRSA is probably not the ideal acronym!š)
It is, it just takes a while
Yes, but this opens you up to exploitation - which is why we all need to apply scrutiny to what we are seeing & reading. What are the actual facts, what is interpretation, what is ideology, etc? There is a large crowd on the far left that focuses solely on attacking the left.A legacy of Corbyn
Also, European Powell seems to exist purely to attack the government from the left, regardless of the merit of any thing they do.
This isnāt the same as the riots
As an example, in the thread from him you shared, he continues his theme of calling Starmer a Tory & states that KS āawarded Palantir a contract with Coventry City Council in April 2025ā. The council do have a 12 month investigatory contract, but they entered it, nothing to do with Starmer.
Thatās all well & good, that doesnāt stop him having an ideological blindspot. Many top scientists believe in religion, which fails the fundamental logic test of even the most basic science, this doesnāt make them bad scientists, just not to be listened to in this area.
So do I (so do Labour). These are the (likely misrepresented) views of old white men whoāve had single instances of bad/annoying cases & judgements. Labour arenāt parroting reform deporting many people, and doing it properly, so that the ECHR isnāt an impediment. So it doesnāt require changing
Heās clearly educated & has time in his hands, but he bases his positions on ideology first & then gathers evidence that supports his claim, rather than having an objective view of the situation, considering the evidence and coming to a conclusion. Itās flawed logic well presented.
Former Home Secretaries David Blunkett & Jack Straw have advocated for rewriting parts of it to make deportations easier. This has then been blown up by the media and commentators as āLabourās positionā. Itās just part of August madness, when recession is on & bored political journos make stuff up
āEuropean Powellā hates Starmer with a passion beyond reason and ascribes all sorts of things to him because he thinks heās evil. None of these things are true. He blocked me because I pointed out how illogical & fallacious his views on Labour arenāt. Hereās Starmerās most recent statement
Starmer isnāt and has never advocated for leaving the ECHR.
The irony of regurgitating media attacks that blame Labour for everything on this thread is staggering. Labour arenāt parroting reform, they are being misrepresented by the RW media and hard left wingers. Labour are fixing the country & delivering the manifesto they were elected on.
Let's be blunt. Corbyn and Sultana had the chance to form a left wing party that was inclusive in its very foundations. Instead they've given a prominent, vocal position to a transphobe who is anti-abortion. That's the foundation of their project, now.
Simple. He doesn't give a shit about trans people. He's a one-trick pony, only cares about Gaza to the exclusion of everything else, including trans people. What's not adding up is why we gave him more benefit than he ever deserved.š¤·āāļø
I feel the same as I did a decade ago. Corbyn is just not the guy. Sorry. You have to be smarter and more self-aware than this to win a UK GE. The only thing the whatever-theyāre-called party will do is make Reformās path to Westminster easier.
I'd not heard this one before, but it doesn't surprise me: the fossil fuel lobby will go on spouting any old bollocks in an attempt to hold back new, clean technologies that threaten their business model.
Reform were polling alongside the tories running up to the last election. When it came to it, the tories got 120 seats & reform got 5.
We canāt rejoin the SM though. Weād have to be a member of the EU or EFTA/EEA. Neither are viable at present and would take beyond the term to negotiate & action, and so would have no impact on the economy.
This far out from an election, voting intention is worse than useless.
Seeing that Brexit was a mistake is not the same as being prepared for the required compromises to rejoin though. Iām happy to agree that the majority see it was a mistake & that just over half of people would conceptually like to rejoin. But thereās huge variation once theyāre asked about details.
Get a grip! Demanding personal responses on every little comment and poll from the PM is ridiculous. When has this been required or wanted in any other govt historically or internationally?
I am countering with facts, that they are inconvenient for you position doesnāt make them hyperbole. I would be fine with the Euro too, but the point is that we donāt represent the majority at present.
Gosh, the guardian appears to have made a mistake & published a good news story! I particularly liked these bits! šš¹
Oh. www.theguardian.com/business/202...
This. Is. So. Incredible. Everyone should know this. Including the utterly stupid person I spoke to the other day that was ambivalent about Reform. Unfortunately heās vanished into the ether
As I said, countries are required to agree to adopt the Euro, but arenāt being forced to actually replace their currency with it. However, the issue which reform & the RW media would seize on is the agreement to adopt the Euro. Anything beyond that is irrelevant.
If someone tells you there's nothing we can do about gun violence beyond thoughts and prayers, remind them: āGun laws in other countries have prevented mass shootings āMore guns don't make us safer āA majority of Americans want gun reform We don't have to live like this.
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Prisons Minister, James Timpson, has given us some positive facts about the probation service and the outcomes from using various sorts of tags on offenders. + Probation officer numbers up 7% in a year + Trainees up 15% + 1,300 more to be recruited by March 2026 1/2 www.gov.uk/government/n...
Not too bad thanks. Had to take some time away for MH reasons, but back now, trying to have a healthier approach. Hope youāre doing ok.š
Itās not in the special measures act itās in the special administration (water) rules.
No, the large and escalating fines included in the special measures act which replaced the Ā£300 fines the tories had. Hence why Yorkshire Water (in 1 of 81 prosecutions initiated by Labour) were fined Ā£900k for repeated violations in ONE river.
Heās a paper tiger. If he werenāt endlessly pushed by the media heād be nothing. Once things start to visibly improve even that wonāt be enough! š
Again, this is just a fantasy. There are already mechanisms in place to punish them for sewage dumping. Any attempt to change the rules to force it into a position where we could get it for free would result in an immediate chilling of business investment which is exactly what we donāt need.
Again, the fantasy of getting it (almost) for free, is just that, a fantasy. If Labour could do that they would, as they did with Rail, but they canāt.
No, thatās not correct. Its debt can only be restructured & reduced if itās sold back to a private company. If the govt takes it back then they are obligated to take in the full value of the debt & recompense shareholders in full.
The #ElectricCarGrant Scheme is an excellent incentive from this Government.
What are you talking about?!š¤¦
No you canāt, because the rules around water company insolvency are different from normal insolvency rules. The savings wouldnāt offset the costs (Ā£15-20bn) in any realistic timescale and if we had Ā£15-20bn lying around, thereās a lot more effective ways it could be used.
Labourās trans stance, and views on it that Starmer has expressed are appalling. The PIP cuts were just plain stupid & clearly driven by beancounters in the Treasury. Their comms planning & discipline are awful. They didnāt campaign seriously for the by-election they lost by 6 votes.
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The govt canāt force the timetable, thatās in the EUās power and we are the supplicant. The EU have decided to leave the deal talks to Autumn & shift the TCA talks to 2026.
Iām not claiming heās perfect, Iām saying that claiming heās RW on the basis of a couple of bad speeches & policies & ignoring the at least 40+ very good & left wing policies is bizarre.
Nationalising rail is free and will ensure a better, more efficient service for commuters. Nationalising Thames Water would cost Ā£15-20bn and not improve the lack of infrastructure, cost or sewage situation one jot, how is it better value for money? Nor is it swinging one way or another š
No, Labour are just getting on with delivering the manifesto. They started with things that take the longest to deliver. Itās so that by the time of the election there is tangible improvements.
So you donāt think thatās employment rights, renters rights, rail renationalisation, massive green energy investment, etc, etc?
Largely I said, as in the best possible position.
Thereās always disruptions and difficulties. Iām sympathetic for people suffering, but I know this isnāt Labourās fault & know they will improve things if they are given time.
It seems obvious to me that Starmer won't follow Farage and exit the ECHR or the UN Convention on Torture. While a handful of Labour MPs have spoken vehemently against Farage's proposals, for many, a timid verbal response from Starmer directly will be seen as an endorsement of Farage's plan.
This has been the case always. I spent 5 years after the financial crash being unemployed or bouncing around crap jobs. Itās the nature of economic collapse, which is what the tories inflicted on the country. Even what you posted says things will turn.
So why do Labour need to immediately show improvement?
The govt have already cut the asylum backlog in half, saving Ā£bns. Yes govt departments are cutting their spend, but mainly by headcount reductions. Youāre seeing tories where there arenāt.
On a month by month basis, but wage growth is annual & youāre basing your calculations on monthly inflation. Inflation was lower at the start of the year & will be lower at the end of the year.
Weāre largely shielded from the effects of the tariffs thanks to Starmerās diplomacy & the growth last quarter was 3 times higher than expected. Inflation is due to fall later in the year & growth is due to continue.
Just look beyond the headlines at what Labour is actually doing š
Nah, this isnāt political parties, this is a concerted effort
The greatest trick the RW ever pulled off was getting people to blame their mistakes and mismanagement on Labour!
This is great. Really pleased to see it.
Me too.
Not yet, but itās a cumulative effect over the next few years, better public services, addressing issues and more disposable income. That will have an effect on people
Itās written to not read well. Industries are regularly in touch with ministers & departments. Pretending they heavily influence policy is fantasy.
Except weāve already grown 1% in 2 quarters this year!
Except itās not the same basis. 60% (which is an extreme estimate) equates to Ā£125/yr, 3.8% wage growth is an additional Ā£1000/yr. Itās less than ideal, but itās the best available solution.
The article YOU provided stated that agreement to adopt it is part of the EU treaties. Pretending that is the same as immediately needing to replace the Ā£, or that the broad electorate would be in favour of it, is the falsehood.
Again, cuts to CS is not austerity when public services are better funded.
If youāre talking about improving things before the next election, then either ignore rejoining the EU because it canāt be done before then. Rejoining isnāt the only way to avoid decline, we can fix things with a view to a boost with future membership. MBW is making the best of a bad job, thatās all
www.theguardian.com/politics/202....
Again, the details of the conditions are irrelevant because all that will be conveyed to the public is āLabour is getting rid of the Ā£ā!!
Youāre conflating having to agree to adopt it & being forced to actually do it
Ditto the UK š¬š§
Fortunately thereās 4 more years for that to happen in.
And Burnham would have to quit the Mayoralty first. This is magical thinking. Burnham would be constrained by the same factors that Labour are currently. Heās a very good mayor, but that doesnāt translate to the PMship.
1995 is 30 years ago and only 3 years after the introduction of the Euro! I never said they were forcing existing members to adopt it, only that new members have to AGREE TO ADOPT IT at some point. Misrepresenting what Iām saying isnāt a strong argument.
Then thereās no way for them to win. Trying to rejoin would guarantee NF a win, AND kill any application to rejoin. Trying to fix the economy so everything isnāt broken may lead to it, but probably wonāt. I know which Iād choose. Pretending rejoining is a quick or simple fix is disingenuous.
No, the departmental budgets have been cut, but public services have been funded. Fewer civil servants in exchange for nationalised rail, a well funded NHS, a better social safety net, etc? Not austerity. The Tories grew the Civil Service whilst cutting services - thatās austerity.
Yes, simple question with no details & barely a majority. Now look at people whoād be prepared to pay full fees, adopt the euro, take Schengen, etc.
Not to pay for past debt, exclusively to fund the infrastructure projects needed to stop sewage in rivers, expand reservoirs and bring the system to where it should be. Ā£220 more in water bills when UC claimants are Ā£750/yr better off and wage growth is at 3.8% is not austerity.
Denmark has a special opt out because they were an early joiner, same as we used to have. All the others have agreed to adopt the Euro (which is now an condition of membership), they havenāt yet and may have no intention of doing so, but itās the agreement to adopt the RW would seize on.
There has been a graduate crisis for a decade. Again, itās not something Labour can solve in a year. Their industrial strategy is predicated on shifting hi paying jobs out from London, but these things take time! There isnāt a general jobs crisis, or unemployment would be higher.
See my response to the OP
There are just shy of 800,000 vacancies. Unemployment is still extremely low and the economy is growing and that only causes things to move one way. Youāre overestimating the effect of the NI hike and thatās now history. Any effects have been adapted to.
You may be, I am too, but we donāt represent the majority.
But when asked about whether theyād accept the Euro, or Schengen, or any other compromises, support drops to 35-40% - check out the recent YouGov polls!
Thatās even worse because populist campaigns canāt have strong policies behind them, they have to be vague so they can be everything to everyone. The Greens are already bad at solid policy, this will make them extremists on everything just to get attention.
So you just want to do a Tory & have a leadership change every year?
