I love paying TurboTax a few hundred bucks every year to figure out how much money I owe the government, which the government already knows, but won't tell me because TurboTax pays legislators to keep the government from telling me. 😻
I love paying TurboTax a few hundred bucks every year to figure out how much money I owe the government, which the government already knows, but won't tell me because TurboTax pays legislators to keep the government from telling me. 😻
voice to text note I took while asking to an irs person in some lobby: "irs.gov click file click free file explore free guided tax software 8 trusted free direct file"
Anyone else see this: I submitted tax forms via new free IRS website. They rejected multiple times, because “someone” in the household is receiving some sort of assistance from “some” healthcare program. Nobody is.
Breaks down after many rejects, buys TurboTax. Rejected again, for same thing, but now, also rejected because order of SSN’s in IRS program doesn’t match order of SSN’s in TurboTax, so I must be committing fraud. Need to create a special PPINPIN id to submit now. Meanwhile, tax day is approaching.
At this point, I think they’re just f’ing with us.
Overheard
just "do" your own taxes. They're not that hard. or difficult. or complicated. or confusing. or time consuming. *NOT AN AD* I get TurboTax free from my brokerage firm. So for me, it's not difficult, complicated, confusing, or time consuming. Just have a week to get it done. THAT IS ALL.
I could do my own on paper, but long ago liked tax programs for the rapid addition and placing duplicative info on all the sheets. I usually then quickly eyeball the math to verify no glitches and as a double check...
Filing an extension this year because I’m not sure the IRS will be around to collect.
I file handwritten taxes and they always let me know... sometimes I owe more, sometimes less.
If your not owning a business it a waste of money to use turbo tax. The people oh need it not paying taxes anyway. I would of paid my pet as a employee and got a tax cut for emotional support and use it dog food as the amount I paid them. They health insurance as medical expensive.
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I switched to freetaxusa.com bcz I refused to pay TurboTax's ridiculous fees. It's about 90% as good as TT . Good enough for me.
Our entire tax system is stupid as fuck. Exactly, you clearly know what i owe, or am owed, why the annual shitshow.
Because they don't. Not completely. They can do the basics, but they don't know about any special cases you might fall into. And if you're the simple case, where they do know, filling out the forms is easy enough and you don't need to pay Turbo Tax.
Nobody hates Americans more than the federal government.
Every other country tells you what you owe, they don't make you figure it out yourself. So frustrating.
Feels like this year we should all owe/pay zero taxes. Why play by the rules when our government doesn’t?
The way I am on the fence about even filing
sounds more expensive than when I hire an accountant to do my taxes here in europe
No more fraud!
If we were really want to sown size the tax system they could simply send an invoice that could be objected to by filing a return.
If the IRS simply presented you with a bill, they couldn't maintain the illusion (aka "lie") that paying income tax is "voluntary".
I've never heard that it was voluntary
The payment of tax is not voluntary. Compliance with the income tax law is (deceptively) considered voluntarily, since you have to calculate, file (and pay) your own obligation. Dorky know-it-alls have gone repeatedly to court arguing this moronic distinction without a difference. They always lose.
Thanks for the clarification!
Sounds like a glorious system!
Right. Funny how they can correct turbo tax mistakes in a week or 2 and send you a bill,often higher than you paid to turdotax in the 1st place.
A national sales tax would be nice if we didn't live in a corpocracy that made all the rules, as you pointed out.
Use the paper forms you get at the library. Sometimes there’s even people who will help you fill them out.
www.irs.gov/e-file-provi...
That’s what I do. I print out the forms from the IRS website, fill them out with a pen, and mail them 2-3 day delivered with signature required so I don’t have to stand in line at the post office for proof I sent them. I also take a picture of them with my phone so there’s a time stamp.
1) This is true only if filing a 1040EZ, if they are hocking that much up to TurboTax they are either way overpaying or need a few of the more complex forms filled out.
2) But essentially all wage, who do not side hustle/own real estate/do silly things with money shouldn’t need to do the rituals, and the IRS should automate it.
I heard DOGE is getting rid of those because they are no “efficient”. Payment by check too.
Our libraries no longer have the paper forms. You could use their computers, go to the irs website and print the forms (10cents/copy)
And I'm sure the milk man will deliver milk to your home
I...have a milk (and eggs, orange juice, butter) delivery service if I wish.
This is true! One of my patients volunteers every year to help people do their taxes and has done so for the past 20 years! She LOVES doing it. You couldn’t pay me to help other people do their taxes…I don’t even do my own taxes; I bribe my spouse to do them.
My friend does this too. I don't understand how she does it.
Milk delivery service still exists, Pat
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
I'm sure there's a bespoke buggy whip manufacturer too
As a matter of fact, there is…😆 hiddennewengland.com/2019/01/31/h...
There are no tax papers at libraries in Colorado anymore.
The government knows at least some of what you owe, but they don’t know everything or else tax evasion wouldn’t exist 🤷🏼♂️ a bit of a misconception - they don’t know all of your deductions or some sources of income. Also fuck tax filing software bc it should be free
As stock markets crashes, but they sure cashed my checks quickly
use one of the government recommended file programs. I don't pay for my federal taxes to ve filed. and only pay $9.99 for state. and they file them at the same time. its very easy
i use olt.com
The IRS website offers links to free (within income limits) tax prep options similar to turborax. I paid $15 this year for mine
Freetaxusa.com
Instead of all the fuckery, we should opt for a flat tax. Everyone pays a set same percentage. No loopholes, no bull shitting around, just pay your percentage. Everyone would pay their fair share, and there wouldn't be any need for billions of dollars to run the IRS. Cheating would be impossible.
No.
The wealthy REALLY like this idea
The rich have a flat tax... capital gains and qualified dividends. 0-23.8%max no social security or Medicare. The poor pay zero now so a flat tax means they pay. The rich workers go from 37%to a flat 20??? Great for them.
The problem with a flat tax is that the costs of living outside of taxes aren't a flat percent. Rich people can afford to pay much higher tax rates and still have more left over afterwards.
Linda, this is wealth inequality and would harm the poor I don't assume this is what you want, but if people see an otherwise intelligent person say "flat tax" they stop listening to anything else that person says. Progressive taxation is vital to a society free from the tyranny of the wealthy.
Just don't file your taxes...they will send you a bill. There, fixed it. 😏
I love paying turbo tax for them to tell me I need to give more money. #winning
Tax racket
You can still file a paper return. No cost. Remember to keep your receipts. They will have to hire back thousands of IRS workers to deal with them.
Mine are going this week. I think I’ll print all 9000 pages and mail it this time.
😆
If, like me, you still have to do your taxes, I highly recommend the following: -Do TurboTax through to the very last step. Write down your refund/what you owe. Then don't pay them a dime, don't file, don't complete the transaction. -Go to the free tax site and file there with those numbers.
Cash app is completely 100% free for a single state return (and federal)
I love having a government that’s so easy to bribe.
Then don't file. It's an unconstitutional tax anyway. Your refund is nothing more than a "thanks for playing" money.
I never understood this shit scam. Glad someone put my thoughts into words.
It’s insane.
My mom does the old fashioned pen and paper and mail. 100% free
The tax code is built and kept unnecessarily complex partially in order to provide corporate welfare for the Preparation Industrial Complex. An entire segment of business that should not exist. 1/2
The code is complex by design. People with wealth can fund professionals to understand it and work through arcane loopholes to reduce their tax due. Most citizens aren't able to do that and end up paying an oversized share. Working as intended. 2/2
It's not really the complexity though. Most citizens don't really interact with the complicated parts. If you work for a pay check and don't make enough to set up tax shelters, there's not really a lot that professionals can do to safe you on taxes with arcane loopholes.
Yes, the code itself is tilted to favor the wealthy folks that helped write it. Working as intended.
Can't really disagree there, I just find the emphasis on complexity misleading. It both drives people to shell out money to businesses like Turbo Tax and to support efforts to "simplify" the tax code, which usually just wind up being tax cuts for the rich.
"drives people to shell out money to businesses like Turbo Tax and to support efforts to "simplify" the tax code, which usually just wind up being tax cuts for the rich." Indeed, all counterproductive to good order and discipline. By design.
The complexity is how the purpose (tilting the outcome) is obscured so that folks will be measured in their outrage.
Decades ago, I worked with finance and Wall Street clients. I saw first hand how taxes made an industry that shouldn’t exist and does nothing to contribute to the good of society. Send us all bills instead. The stress and nonsense of what has been created is not helpful.
The US tax code is counterproductive to good order and discipline. The complexity obscures the purposeful intent of tilting the outcomes in favor of the wealthy.
AARP will do them for FREE www.aarp.org/money/taxes/...
At this point, I’ve decided nothing is broken and everything is working exactly as intended. The problem is the assholes who designed and continue to benefit from it all.
What you now know as "food stamps" to help poor families was originally conceived as a way to subsidize farmers.
Fact
But Republicans told me I’d be able to do my taxes on a postcard!!!
I regret to inform you that you were deceived.
I’m using Wealthsimple this year for free.
When in residency (100 yrs ago) I had to do my first tax filing. I was so tired, confused & frustrated that one night I just put all my receipts & forms into a Manila envelope w/ a Starbucks gift card & a note pleading for help & sent it to the IRS. They returned my refund & the Starbucks card!
Oh, YES‼️ This x 💯… There is new IRS option this year called direct file. You can check online if you qualify. It’s only for very simplified filings, but when I called to get more info, I eventually got to someone who actually knew what they were talking about & was able to help me.
I tried to use IRS free file a few years ago and when it took me to the state tax portion it began giving me offers for other things (like adverts) and then it timed out and the whole thing didn’t go through so I pay H&R Block online $75 and get it done.
Oh, no! I didn’t qualify so I didn’t use it this year, but I find the exploitation of our tax supported institutions & systems when used for the purposes of selling me stuff to enrich private companies offensive. I suppose the feds would say it helps support the program, but I still don’t like it.
Direct File is the tool created by the IRS and it has no advertising. Free File tools are created by private companies and are a different program.
Thanks for the info! I didn’t qualify for Direct File so I couldn’t use it. Incidentally, the predictions of US govt tax income losses due to DOGE attacks and cuts on IRS is chilling. At this rate Trump is going to bankrupt the U.S. before his term is up…or before he crowns himself king.
Free File (free versions of paid software tools) is not the same thing as Direct File. Direct File will never try to sell you anything.
The IRS knows how much you earned, but not how the money was spent.
The only country in the world where this happens. They know what we owe yet make us tell them what we think we owe then penalize us when wrong. What a country.
Even using the "free tax" website charges me!
I know. Just send me a fking invoice and/or a check. They have this information already.
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Man there's so much wrong with that sentence I'm not sure where to begin.
None of this is true. There are free options. People use TT because they think their taxes are super complex and they'll either get in trouble or lose a lot of money if they try to do it themselves. If your taxes are simple enough that the govt already knows, just fill out the forms yourself.
Finally someone admits: if your forms are simple enough.
TurboTax cost me like 60 bucks at Costco. What are you talking about?
I get a decent discount through USAA.
Same but…H&R Block
Free tax tables irs.gov
Came here to add my voice to the FreeTaxUSA choir.
Worse, if I get it wrong and underpay they’ll come after me but if I get it wrong and overpay they won’t say a word 😡
This🙌🏼
If you just don’t do that, eventually the government will send you a letter telling you the amount you owe 😅
Too bad that statement is bullshit for 80% of taxpayers. They have an idea but there is lots of unreported income and expenses for most.
It cost me $450 for them to tell me I still owed $550 in taxes 🤨
Your point is well taken, but consider the implications if THIS so-called government told you how much you owed in taxes. 🤔
Good point
Every fucking year after I file my return, the IRS sends me a letter telling me where I messed up and either telling me I owe more or giving me an additional refund. Like, why can't they do that BEFORE I spend money on TurboTax or an accountant?
In Brazil, the agency equivalent to your IRS provides a software for free. In fact, you can choose the pre-filed version, where they tell you exactly that. For those of us with one source of income, it's a piece of cake.
The IRS does this too, you just can't use it if you make over a certain amount of money
But that doesn't make any sense.
If you approach it from the standpoint of understanding that the US tax code is convoluted and overwrought, then it *kind of* does lol
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Biden launched direct file last year and it was supposed to start this year-- free tax prep software and filing through the IRS. I think Trump killed it, even though he probably could've taken credit for it.
Elon tried to cancel that because he’s under the crazy assumption you can’t trust the govt & why would you want them telling you what you owe. He’s so out of touch. apnews.com/article/irs-...
Yeah, but you got rid of your dictator too. We haven’t. We need lessons from Brazil.
For 99.9% of Americans, the personal income tax software could be a simple spreadsheet, capable of running on LibreOffice as well as Excel. And in many countries, since the govt already has your wages and other-income-statements data, they run it, tell you the results, let you update it if needed.
No. No excel. Fucking Microsoft charges $100. /year to be able to use their excel, word etc. fuck microsoft
Right? The IRS could do it all on their end and send us an invoice or a check.. Even brokerages could just report to the IRS for us. It is all a silly show.
that’s why their first example was LibreOffice which is FOSS
Yup. It's what I use. (Also, I forget what the current Mac spreadsheet is :-) My wife used Lotus123 to do tax consulting pre-Turbotax; the hard work is updating the spreadsheet for each year's tax laws, like the forms, but even a 1985 spreadsheet can do the actual input and calculations just fine.
LibreOffice for personal use, Excel because work pays for it lol. I think the Apple equivalent is “Numbers” but I don’t think I’ve ever heard of anyone using that lol. Thankfully in Canada it’s much easier to file taxes. Direct CRA integration with plenty of cheap or even free applications.
Numbers is correct, and actually, it’s very good. Solid XML, not nearly as presumptuous as any Microsoft product, behaves well with complex spreadsheets.
Yeah, that's what civilized countries do
Fun fact, you can download and print out the forms FREE! Stick a stamp on it and mail it to them. Costs next to nothing, as long as you know what you’re doing. It’s how we used to do taxes.
I am doing this and shocked at the number of forms and schedules I need to complete. It's not easy to figure out if you not used to completing tax forms on your own.
The past few years I have used Turbo Tax, then HR Block. I looked up my saved return from last year, then printed it out in the format “for filing” and it came out on the appropriate forms. I used it as a guide for the current one. Double check your math.
Great idea. Will do the same.
IMO, it wasn’t as bad until trump changed the forms during his first admin. All he did was add more forms.
Yep.
Government by the lobbyists for the corporations.
And WE HAD THIS FIGURED OUT AND DONE. The new system was loved by those that have tested it the last couple years. And before it rolls out for everyone, f-ing DOGE kills it and decides to make something new in the MONTH leading up to TAX DAY. Wtf.
It's not still working? www.irs.gov/filing/irs-d...
Not avail in my state
Because the other thing was old and needed to be replaced with something shiny and new (and utterly broken). It's the techbro mindset, everything that came before them is shit and must be torn down and replaced by a thing they'll make by 'moving fast and breaking (more) things'
“A few hundred bucks”? It’s never been more than like 40 bucks at H&R Block, how complex are your taxes?
Something as simple as doing DoorDash or gig work can make it so HR block or turbo tax charge you >$200.
Yeah, every time I see a complaint like this the person either seems to be getting scammed or has complex enough taxes that the govt doesn’t know what they owe. If all you’re doing is taking the standard deduction/child tax credit and reporting wages/investment income, it’s pretty straightforward
To be fair, I’ve always filed taxes with the standard deduction, and my employers have done the withholding so it’s mostly about my refund. I get that many people have taxes that are way more complex than mine. But “a few hundred bucks” sounds unbelievable, unless you own a business or something.
The government only knows what has been reported to them. And if your only tax information is things that have already been reported to them, then you don't have to pay to file. If you have a small business they have no idea how much you made, and that's when you need to pay.
I’m not paying fed taxes this year.
In their defense, it’s unlikely the government knows how much most of us owe at the moment or will perhaps ever know again.
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SENDING YOUR MONEY TO THE GOVERNMENT THIS YEAR??
The government won't tell you? Don't you mean the GOP?
When I go back home ( an Asian country), my mom filed tax by filling out a form to authorize the banks to share info with the government for tax. Simple , easy, no extra costs. I often wonder why I immigrant to a country refusing to innovate.
lunacy
stop using TurboTax
Agreed the rip you off and make it hard to use or find their free stuff
We are in the ERA of Everything is a GRIFT
And guess what, TurboTax (and other such companies) lobby hard to prevent any simplification of the tax code which would make this unnecessary.
One more reason why I miss 🇸🇬 so much. We don’t have to « file taxes ». Our income tax gets deducted automatically and at the end of the tax year, we just get a statement saying how much we paid. Seeing the system here was one of the most surprising & frustrating aspects of my culture shock.
Americans have a long tradition of being skeptical of faceless government bureaucrats "figuring things out" for us and prefer to pay faceless corporate bureaucrats to do it. We're a similar way over healthcare for some fucking reason, too. Sorry for the confusion.😬
Yeah, but when the corporation screws up, in couple of years I can just vote in a new CEO! Oh, wait a minute...
Don’t pay them. Send $5. Each month.
Apparently corruption is the only thing that keeps the Government running.
It's all a scam. There is no reason we shouldn't be able to automatically file on a government secure website where all we do is verify there aren't any missing deductions, etc. They have to find a way to give rich people a cut, TurboTax or H&R Block, etc. Other countries don't do this.
bsky.app/profile/mcub...
Not available in all states
We are the only country in the world that file taxes on our own dime.
Yup. HMRC does it all online, for free. Only cost is an accountant if you can be arsed to do it yourself. It also seems far less complicated, but I've never seen the business end of the US tax system so that's just based on Americans rightly moaning about it.
HMRC?
His Majesty's Revenue and Customs (UK tax authority).
If all this keeps up.. why are we paying fed taxes? He's cutting fed money to states (after supposedly leaving women's health care to the states), raping federal lands, closing or diminishing nat'l parks, stopping public education... GET REAL!
Use the IRS free file, at least while it's still available, and your State's equivalent.
I think that only works for people that make $75k or less if my memory serves.
I paid only $15 for my state return
If you file the two page 1040a and don't have other forms or deductions or credits, fill out a paper form and mail it with your W-2 for free.
You do know Biden tried to offer direct filing with the IRS right?
Completing and filing the return is the bullshit part of it. The IRS has that information!
They could pre fill the returns for like 99% of us. The other 1% have accountants. It's frustrating.
How complicated are your taxes? Only costs me $32.00😱
I refuse to pay a tax preparation company, so I use Free Fillable Forms each year
I really want the doge folks to delete how much I owe.
You don't have to use turbo tax.
Now maybe. You used to be able to.
Study the 1040 TurboTax gives you, and next year try Free File Fillable Forms! You have to select which forms, but FFFF does a lot of the math for you. Things get a little complex if you have capital gains, but if you're motivated by spite like me, you can figure it out. www.irs.gov/e-file-provi...
You also have to do your state taxes yourself, which can be a drag. And full disclosure, I did mess up my taxes the first time I used FFFF. Fortunately it was an error in my favor, though, and eventually I got more money back.
"motivated by spite" 😆
It happens to work for so many annoying tasks!
I’m self-employed, nobody knows jack until TurboTax and I tell them.
Yup. Btw. Turbo tax seems to be demanding money for the state tax too or it will erase the information. Anyone know a good substitute?
Honestly, if you get lucky enough to reach an IRS employee by phone, the answer they give you will not be the same answer another IRS rep gives you on another day. It’s a crapshoot, which is why I have an accountant
We shouldn't even have to file taxes. Take what I owe out of my employment checks. Why should I have to suffer because the IRS is incompetent in taking out or knowing exactly what I owe? It's bullshit
One of the biggest scams around. You did be able to file taxes for free
Offer one at the Doge Bros 100 bucks... I bet they'll give it to you!
Yeah it's not right. I am expecting a little refund and I wonder if I'm gonna actually get it.
TurboTax and I are done as of this year. It cost me more to do tax, than I am getting in return.
Canadians can file for free directly with the CRA.
we know christine
Weird thing, Biden had already implemented a program to do just that for us! But R's let the felon override that. One of the many things he's fucked up.
www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/y... I might have been wrong! It looks like it is still good for 2024?
It is indeed.
It's still available for free?
Yes. Follow this link: www.irs.gov/file-your-ta...
Thank you! I already did mine, with other free software. I was hoping it might help someone else! Thanks again!
pennsylvaniaindependent.com/politics/irs... It truly is unclear to me if it's still available. I thought it got axed.
I was unclear on this as well- it’s a mess
Great diligence trying to double check, though. That's good culture.
The point though is that you shouldn't have to file at all when they already know everything they need to. They should just send you a bill or a refund check and then if *you* disagree because you have more specific stuff to declare you can file an amendment.
I agree with you.
I assumed, sorry didn't mean to come off differently. It just bothers me that the cost of filing is the main talking point when the unnecessary complexity for 99% of the population doesn't get enough attention because that's how the for-pay filers justify charging anything in the first place.
Oh, I didn't take any offense! I just wanted to add that you aren't the only one who feels that way! It's ridiculous how much time and money is spent to figure out what to send in or get back.
I tried to use it this year, though there is an income limit, and there was something about only 20 ststes accepted it for state taxes. Not complaining, they need to keep it going and expanding.
It's available! We used it last week.
Thank you!! I'm hoping it helps someone and saves some money for people!!
I thought I heard that, too. Would be great if it still exists!
I filed my taxes in March using this.
Thanks for letting me know. Can you file state as well?
No, but NY had a similar website that I used. Also free.
It’s still available in most states. However I have yet to find one that will electronically import things like 1099INT data.
They got me with that too- I saw a bunch of stuff saying it was gone and went with TurboTax this year. I think what might have happened is they can't remove the free federal tax aid, but they can work to make you think it's gone.
Half assed and timid. That's the problem with Dems. You have to go all in, send the info to all taxpayers. And kill lobbies for extra points
I use FreeTaxUSA! Once I figured out that's how these tax sites worked, I looked for a free option
I’m still trying to figure out why I’m paying taxes? cause the government sure as hell isn’t doing anything for me…
That part. I owe hardly anything but don’t even want to send them $15. Feels like I am paying Nazis to send people away to camps
Exactly this. I owe thousands and am pissed thinking about how I need to send them $ so they can torture more immigrants and citizens. 😡
I wouldn’t have paid anymore federal taxes if I had owed. Not until musk is out of there.
Send me a bill, not make me write up my own receipt.
That really sucks
America the Business 🇺🇸💰💵💰
File your own taxes for free. This sounds like a you problem.
The Biden admin was beta testing a free public tool and trump scrapped it like day one
FreeTaxUSA has been my go to for years. Turbo Tax is a scam.
It’s a financial Ouroboros.
And the current (mis)administration is shutting down the IRS's free file options.
oh please use freetaxusa.... stop giving money to those people. But agree MAJOR pain point for many years!
Except one year when we had a lot of moving expenses, we've always done our own.
There is usually a way to download a pdf of your filled out return and then you can file for free online with your state and the it's. You just have to fill in the boxes manually but that is worth it to me.
We write a nastygram to Turbotax every year.
Free Tax USA. I used them last week. Free federal filing, charged me $15 for state filing.
Follow af
FreeTaxUSA…
I used to use CreditKarma, and loved them because they were genuinely free for everything. And then fucking TurboTax bought them out, and now of course CK charges too. I'm so glad I found out about this other site...and that I don't have state taxes, so it genuinely IS free.
I say this every year But was hopeful with the additional funding to the IRS and the possible roll out of a way to file taxes directly…..now all of that will be cut. All of this could of course be eliminated if they just simplified the tax code….went to flat tax
I just do it myself. You don’t need TurboTax. You just gotta follow the questions.
Seriously? I thought you could look all this up on the IRS tax tables, which are (or were) posted on their website. (Unless you have a complicated return, of course.)
FYI - FreeTaxUSA is still free for federal ($16 for them to file the state, but you can print it out and fill it out yourself for free).
Lol
I can tell you companies like turbo tax are also used by people who do "creative"accounting on their taxes.vet bills, inflated donations,inflated medical bills,etc.i know several ppl that do this yearly.yes,they could get audited but the probability is low.
In the UK, your employer is required to pay your wages with all taxes already deducted -- but not forbidden to advertise the gross rate.
Yeah no surprise that Trump 2 admin killed the effort to end this as like practically the first official action
Huh 🤔 No shit, I never realized that. I just figured they were giving us the opportunity to cheat so they could make more money for the prison system and treasury for give aways to the 1%. Thanks for telling me.
It is the filing charge - the tax to pay taxes.
It is STUPID AF
Yeah, it is bullshit.
The government doesn't know as much as you seem to think it does.
Love paying $180 to get $350 back in 3 weeks
You don’t have to pay anyone/thing to prepare your taxes.
I usually don't - circumstances this year I needed additional guidance.
Just wanted to let you know there are options. I had to use an accountant for several years myself
You don't know their tax or life situation, and you are missing the entire point of the conversation.
Why pay extra? I can understand if you need an accountant or EA but if you can navigate Turbo Tax you can find free alternatives.
Not going to sit here and judge everyone's capabilities, life, or circumstances. We all know you can file for free. That is not the point here.
Calm down. No one is judging …
What? In Taiwan is easy. We are paying...we are rhe client!
FreeTaxUSA is a better platform
I agree with your sentiment, but wonder about the amount to Turbotax. I pay about $75 for a deluxe state/federal HR Block. TurbTax, had issues 2 yrs in a row. Best ever was Parsons Technology going back to late 1980s, but they sold out to TurbTax. Will look at TaxHawk other poster mentioned.
AARP will do them for FREE www.aarp.org/money/taxes/...
I ask the revenue canada to do it for me.
We don’t really care.
Toxic maga?
Will revenue Canada do mine? No? Thought not.
Toxic, bet u have very little friends who respect u., thought not! Lol
The Accounting Industrial Complex!
For reference when I get paid the tax is already removed I never have to worry about it. At the end of the year I can request a tax return which is usually €100 or less if I've been over charged or very rarely I'll owe €20 if I've been undercharged
When I get paid they take tax out too, I claim 0 so they take the max amount of tax. They even take out extra now because ever since trumps first tax cuts I have owed at least an additional 4K-7k every year when I file. Middle class is paying for billionaires tax cuts.
Every year here in Ireland we get tax credits that reduce our tax, everyone gets 3k baseline and I get to claim flat rate which is another credit to pay for work uniform and tools
That’s nice. 🙄
How do you pay multiple hundreds of dollars to TurboTax? I paid $50 for the program and $15 to e-file my state return. (Not that Intuit's lobbying practices are good or anything. I'm just trying figure out where you spent so much money.)
If you have a more complicated return, such as needing a K1 form from another entity, then Turbo Tax charges a lot more.
I ask the same question whenever I see this complaint & have never gotten a straight answer. Of course it should be easier to file taxes in this country, but even the most expensive Turbo Tax is only like $100 and for business filings that, if that’s your case you should probably have an accountant
The business level / independent contractor software gets expensive.
The last numbers I saw it was 10% of their revenue they spend on lobbying. The industry as a whole, haven't seen a breakdown by company.
Consider dumping TT as it's yet another tech disruptor intended to put independents out of business & ultimately control the market. Use a local accountant instead.
It's a racket. I used Credit Karma to file free until TT bought them.
Cash app has free filing
This concept is inaccurate for people that itemize. If you take a standard deduction, you can file for free on a number of different sites that aren’t TurboTax.
I’ve been using FreeTaxUSA for the past four years. There’s no fee for the federal return preparation and they only charge $14.99 for the state return. TurboTax, TaxSlayer - all scams to dupe people out of their money.
Yeah I did FreeTaxUSA (it sounds like such a scam but it's actually with the IRS) so much better than TurboTax with regard to ease of use and even it's ad-like add-ons are so much cheaper than TurboTax. Fuck @intuit-turbotax.bsky.social
I wonder if it will be available next year. If musk gets ahold of it, probably not.
I hope his ass is bankrupt by then.
I hope he's in an El salvadorian gulag
I like your way of thinking 😉
Thought I heard or read that they’re getting rid of it. We'll see.
I've been using FreeTaxUSA as well the last few years. Always free (with some occasional upsell nudges) and super easy to use. Shitty, bloated tax software just shouldn't be necessary...except maybe if your taxes are extremely complex. In that case I'd rather have a human do them for me. 😀
There’s no way to import things like investments and I am so not doing that manually.
You ever try IRS Free File. Got the same results as Turbo Tax for nothing 0$
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It’s the TirboTax Tax.
FreeTaxUSA!
H&R Block too
That's the Robodebt scheme Australia's last conservative government used against the unemployed. The original system had people at the end to catch all the mistakes, but they removed them and let the computer go wild. The result was 1,200 people committed suicide. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robodeb...
*weaponised* against the unemployed.
Don’t let Elon and trump know. They would like reports of suicide.
🎶 the circle of life 🎵
Just use TaxHawk man
Wait, is that true? Not surprising but I didnt know that. Fuck
Oh no Max! Go to SmartAssets free tax calc so you’ll be able to plan in advance, then if able use the free IRS EZ Tax filing, it may be free or cost around $40.
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Looking at you, Richie Neal (D - Mass).
I remember the old 1040EZ. Just fill out a few of lines on a single sheet - and that was it.
Then I grew up and had actual life situations that impacted tax filing.
AARP does taxes for free every year at our local libraries.
Pretty sure TutboTax doesn't "pay legislators to keep the government from telling", since the filing process has existing since long before TurboTax. That said, it certainly would make sense if the government could provide "here's the info we already have" to start with, rather than blank forms.
The USA is not a country, it is a business!
You're filing taxes??
Nope - not giving leon and the other incels updated info. Nope.
All those tax prep companies, HR Block, Jackson Hewitt.
Cash app is free for any income (for now), handles capital gains and such, and is also free for one state (not sure about multiple states). Gov solution would be better but this works fine
H&R Block also!!
They seem super scammy. They & TT are all about the greed. I think H&R block got in trouble a few years back for telling people they'd give them their refund right away and then making it a high interest short term loan. That should've ended them but this is the US so of course it made them stronger
I refuse. I have continued to file on paper just like I have been for over 40 years!
TIL! Had no idea, I always thought it was stupid that they were just like “nope, try again!” If you did your taxes wrong, that’s why I started using turbo tax to begin with!
There's supposed to be a free file option directly with the IRS
I few hundred bucks?? I wait until Jan and pay discounted price. I think it was around $65 this year. (Your point is still well-taken, I'm just quibbling the details 😉)
File for an extension..everbody..enough people do that..they will freak
They won’t, you still have to pay your taxes by April 15. The extension is only on your paperwork. More than half of our clients used to do extensions till October. But they still had to pay their taxes by April 15.
I don’t think anyone actually works at the IRS anymore, just fill in totally random numbers and write a cheque for $13:67 and see if anyone notices. I bet they don’t.
That's a great point. My sister told my son to fudge his résumé, and he did and he got a job he would never otherwise have gotten, and because of his background, he's doing much better than everybody else with their regular degrees. (But that's not government. They might check!)
I have been toying with a similar plan.
Because the IRS knows how much you owe. The system will flag your return and you will get a not so friendly bill in the mail for your taxes + interest.
I once got one for 23 cents. Lol
America is a scam
Please stop giving these fuckers your money. FREE TAX USA or DIRECT FILE.
Works great if you have a very simple tax situation.
an entirely fake industry created out of thin air because they paid a big enough bribe
My Tax Guy Is Also My Business Partner Which Cuts Down On My Alimony Payments.
This happens even when the government runs the software…
I’m glad to be French
A few hundred? $60, maybe.
The American way...
It's like, IRS, "time to pay your taxes" Me, "ok, how much do I owe?" IRS,"you have to figure it out yourself" Me,"ok,how about $20?" IRS, "no, that's not right. We say $1.4m"
Irs: you go to jail now
A ripoff. I went back to doing it myself.
Aren’t lobbies great!
yeah, life can be sometimes very confusing.
Just another way to rip us off. IRS knows how much we owe & could bill us BUT human error causes mistakes that rack up penalties & fees. It’s Wmart paying employees unlivable wages forcing them on benefits. Wmart then receives govt subsidies 4 employees on benefits that shop @Wmart. 1 big grift
AARP will do them for FREE www.aarp.org/money/taxes/...