Shut the fuck up

You are in a cult sad part is its the same cult maga is in

"noo!! but you don't get it!! only people from my side are the good guys, even if they are conservative morons!! all of you are soy!! AHHHHHH"

If you don’t like it, delete your account, white

At least 13th Amendment Types, for sure...

Unpaid forced labour Ie slaves

Donald Trump "has" slaves. They're cleaning the streets of DC and mulching the parks against their will. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 You can guarantee not one of those soldiers ever thought that would be made into "their duty".

Soldiers aren't slaves.

Those guys are getting paid. Hillary Clinton's slaves did not

Who?

Of all White women doing awful things, make a better choice to harangue. Two obvious, currently active & destructive women: Noem & Gabbard. This post misses the mark for all the reasons in comments. Of evil doers don’t just pick someone who is evil adjacent, tried to do better & mostly is old news

I think a slaver is a very good choice of person to condemn, personally. Sorry you think otherwise

Why the fuck are you excusing someone doing apologia for modern day slavery? And it's Labor Day, the day where we talk about the struggles of the American worker, including those exploited via prison slave labor. This is a disgusting waving off of harm against minorities, and you are gross for it.

TBH, I don’t know much about that gig, at all. So maybe this is a time for me to learn more. TY for the push. I’ve been focused on other horrors. Good point for me to respect the direction of others’ passions. Opportunity for me to widen my own brain from you & OP. Learning can be uncomfortable.

You know what, kudos for responding with a willingness to learn more

If we all don’t help each other, we’ll sink. Thx for your kind reply. Was thinking about you & tinybaby & how exuberant you are. I’m so much older (lots older) so you’re going to be in this f*cked up world much longer than I will, but I so deeply want it to be good for you. Take care

Why should anyone make a choice on this? Because she wears a blue hat you think she shouldn't be ostracized for using slave labor???????? Is this your real, deep in your heart, position?

You know, when I reread my post to tinybaby—a shoot from the hip reply—it did sound arrogant. In my heart, I think there’s room for more nuanced conversation on this topic— not what happens so much w/ limited characters used by passionate people. Appreciate your thoughts. TY

I appreciate your willingness to admit this. Most people don't. Sorry for calling you a prick. Just fyi, my recommendation is to ignore the people in the future who reply to you about this for the sake of your sanity - attention to posts like this comes in waves and nobody reads the context.

I wondered about reaction I’d get. Actually finding you & your followers instructive. New to SM. Appreciate your kind advice & so happy to have engaged w/you! Just trying to keep it real & not lose my mind. If we can be calm while fighting & keep learning, I think we’ll defeat those cockroaches. 💚

Yeah, my fault for coming in so hot without taking a peak at the whole thread. Be well

Thx, you too. Getting riled up shows we’re alive.

no worries, just how social media works. I've had about this many followers for like 15 years so I'm used to it, most people who get attention in my replies aren't

Cool. Thx.

She actually has done irreparable harm on the world stage. Yes, we are allowed to harangue a former secretary of state.

Of course you are. Not my POV, but respect yours. Imagine an area I could learn more. For me, the danger in the WH eclipses all past political f*ck ups, stupidity, greed or whatever. Nobody as evil & destructive as current monster. So that’s where I’m coming from. And where I’m focused.

I'll criticize whoever I want, don't tell me what to do you condescending prick

I think I could take your opinion more seriously if you didn’t call yourself tinybaby.

well, we all have prejudices to work on

Of course you will, wouldn’t want otherwise. There’s such a huge need for insightful passionate input & you have a helluva bigger voice than mine. I’m just saying makes me sad to see your voice aimed at a “who cares?” target. We all do what we want. At least while we still have some democracy left.

You don't have democracy left. You live in Nazi America and you need to wrap your head around that.

Crumbling for sure, but democracy not yet totally gone. I’m not giving up. I’m trying to aim my rage against those who diametrically oppose my principles instead of sorta don’t align. I fight for equality in every real situation I can.

You have never experienced anything even remotely resembling democracy

It's gone and you're in denial about that. Primaries are meddled in, generals are ruined by the electoral college, AND the politicians and policy don't represent the will of the people, and you don't vote your way out of Nazi America.

Right now, w/ voter rights in jeopardy, I agree, voting alone won’t cut it. But voting plus more action must. Pressure works. Congressional toads can be defeated & replaced. If we give up, we’re dead. We must protect democracy in 1,000 ways. No fascism. Good visionary leaders exist. Like Mamdani

Oh no you're still putting hope on politicians and in reforming the system. I really like Mamdani but reality is going hit you like an anvil, brother.

Good luck.

You too. Thx so much.

Utter moron.

We had further communication which was productive. He’s not a jerk. We all have moments & SM makes it too easy to burst into flames. Thanks for weighing in.

Hillary Clinton never had even a single slave.

And yet, yes she did.

Nearly all federal and state prison have inmate work programs. Work assignments are an important component of inmate rehabilitation, and highly preferable to boredom. Most of the assignments are in prison operations/industries or in public works. And anyone who equates that to slavery is an idiot.

"highly preferable to boredom" Ah, the excuse of slavers throughout history when questioned: By forcing people to work for nothing or for a pittance, they're merely doing their part to prevent laziness among their inferiors!

Hey can you post section 1 of the 13th amendment here

Here you go! Anything in here stand out to you as allowing slavery? Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

Hmm I bet the inmates could refuse to do these jobs and face no repercussions. Anyway here in my state they stopped giving inmates parole to keep them working for pennies while industries with ties to our government raked in profits from their work.

You realize many states have mandatory work programs right? These aren't volunteers choosing what they want to do.

You're talking about convicted criminals losing their freedom to do what they want to do. That is the very nature of prison.

Quick, did slaves have the freedom to do what they wanted when they were forced to work? How is that materially different from inmates having zero freedom and being forced to work? They're guilty of crimes, but they're still entitled to human rights. Have you checked Section 1 of the 13th amendment?

Not always convicted. I wonder what would happen if the state overpoliced non-white neighborhoods, made different rules targeting the poor (like crack sentences vs cocaine), or made policies like "stop & frisk"? Youre endorsing slavery & fascists appreciate your work. Boots cant lick themselves.

Hang on, we've gone from "this isn't slavery" to "actually they deserve it" So you acknowledge it's slavery now?

got some bad news for you about the thirteenth amendment

hmm why aren't they being paid then

Most are paid a small amount. But if you're concerned about convicted criminals being paid for the work they perform as inmates, you must also believe they should be paying for their room and board.

guy who thinks slavery is okay as long as they dont have to pay for housing

imagine if abolitionists could see this lol literally a slavemaster argument "but we're providing them with everything they need to live a productive life!"

like he's even doing the "we're lifting them up and improving them!" thing

No, I think if you force someone to live in a place, you don't also have the right to charge them rent.

You're just a callous pos who clearly doesn't know enough to speak on this topic.

be careful or they'll call you a speedy republican

This is the part where you find out that: 1) Most people in prison in the US are there pre-trial. They're only there because they are too poor to afford bail. 2) Pre-trial inmates also do prison labor. I say "find out," but I suspect that you already knew both of these facts.

Add this to poor folks and non-white folks getting arrested & convicted disproportionately, policies like "stop & frisk" and "broken windows" and the over-policing of non-white neighborhoods. We have a built-in, ready to use, slave labor system for the impending criminalization of homelessness.

"Hilary Clinton had slaves," is of course hyperbolic. But I share her sin. Because I drive car constructed of parts made in the US. That means that I drive a car made at least in part by slave labor. 🤷🏿‍♂️ I don't want to drive a car made of slave labor parts. So I have a responsibility to change that

Working to end cash bail, and end arrest quota, greatly reduces the probability that I will be driving a car made of car parts built by an innocent poor person whose life was ruined by being falsely accused by some cop just trying to meet some arbitrary monthly arrest quota.

And prison labor isn't an important part of inmate rehabilitation. And the only choices aren't "slavery or boredom." Nations without prison labor rehabilitate prisoners just fine. Education, vocational training programs, communication skills training, and community connection, are all much better.

"I was arrested for weed possession and couldn't afford bail. So I made licence plates in jail." Vs "I was arrested. No bail needed for weed. I was released pre-trial. Funny thing: being arrested qualified me for a vocational skills intervention program! I chose 'mechanic.' I'm now ACE certified!"

No, I think prison shouldn't exist

You think there should be no prisons? LOL!!! You're as delusional as the most rabid Trump worshiper.

Hell is the truth seen too late brother

And you're the one rabidly defending slavery

Do you think that perhaps someday you too, like the Clintons, might be able to have some slaves from the prison system, which specifically has an exemption in the Constitutional amendment that banned slavery?

I also see incarcerated people as human beings though so I think we might not be able to find a common ground in this argument

So you think it's better for prison inmates to have nothing to do all day as opposed to having some productive work to do? Nearly all prison inmates would disagree with that. And if you spent any significant length of time in prison, you would agree with them.

I think if they perform work that would normally pay a living wage, they should get that living wage. I believe that if prisoners are exploited as cheap labor, there's no practical difference from slavery, even if they might be free again someday. Read up on California's inmate wildfire fighters.

i mean i think we should be honest that they are slaves

I think we should not exploit people and steal their labor, full stop.

So you think law enforcement would not have any incentive to unfairly target marginalized groups in order to make a workforce do labour for practically free and then clear millions of dollars in profit?

You’re right, she had several

False! She had several slaves. Read my post more carefully

I read your childish post. Hillary Clinton has never had any slaves.

you're wrong, the 13th amendment did not abolish slavery. go read it if you don't believe me.

That's what liberals do. Speaking about freedom, but finding exceptions for every people they don't like, like poor people, non-white people, Muslims etc.. Freedom is not for them. These are sub-humans to them. And both Clintons are proud and part of these liberal tradition.

It's childish to recognize well known facts from over 30 years ago now

It's childish to acknowledge the reality that the Clintons used prison slave labor at the governor's mansion? Says a lot about how you view the world. humantraffickingsearch.org/2017627moder...

You should acknowledge that you're wrong gracefully. It would be a sign of that maturity you claim others lack.

Just refusing to believe objective reality? How maga of you.

But she did

why did she say she did in her book then?

Hillary Clinton had slaves and Gavin Newsom uses slaves to fight fires. www.truthdig.com/articles/at-...

That's ok! Some people have beliefs that contradict reality. I'm sure you'll work through it eventually!

Hey now, her slaves were legal under the strictest definition of the 13th Amendment

m’whites have fallen in love with the constitution again

The amendment specifically carves out exceptions for indentured servitude and prisoners. Checkmate (do not ask what her husband's relatives were doing a hundred fifty years ago in Arkansas)

I bet they were having slaves

That and hanging out with whoever the 19th century equivalent of Epstein was. Rockefeller?

Fact. www.currentaffairs.org/news/2017/06...

Were they hidden in the basement of a D.C. Pizza joint?

She writes about it in her book

*has

From what I know about the Clintons this tracks. Wonder who they’re gonna suicide this year-any bets? I’m betting their groundskeeper… …All joking aside, we are ruled by monsters.

Muted 👋

Did Hillary Clinton break the law to get the slaves?

Does that matter?

No, because carceral slavery is still legal within the United States.

what the fuck is this supposed to mean

No she didn't. She acquired the slaves completely legally.

Sounds like you should be trying to change that law. Shaming a family who is known for having no shame won't change anything. Good luck to you, I know those laws are very hard to change. The propaganda gets very deep.

it's in the 13th amendment to the constitution

RUDE omg

This is rude too That's what happens when you call liberals what they are

Having slaves is rude I guess

Pointing it out, maybe.

This one.

Brilliant honeypot for blocks

in her servers.

Exactly

One of the comments on this post was correct, pick your timing. There are plenty of women out there right now doing evil things. Hitting up on Clinton right out of the blue is mute right now, that’s why most people don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

Leave my half of the cult alone only republicans are allowed to be called out This is demonstrating democrats are evil too and will never deliver for the working class they despise you as much as Trump does

shut the fuck up wayne people can do two things at once dumbass

She voted to kill a million innocent Iraqis. She also biffed the easiest layup in American electoral history and in doing so midwived really existing technofascism. Getting dunked on online every day until she dies and roasts in hell forever is the least she deserves

I think the word you're looking for is "moot" even though that's not quite the right way to use it. I think this argument is basically the same as the right saying we shouldn't talk about the founding fathers owning slaves.

She delivered us Trump, twice. While her husband and Trump raped people on Epstein Island. You should be angry with her, not defending her.

True, but she did try to teach America that wanting health care was like a spoiled child wanting a pony so that more than makes up for it.

"You can't have public funded healthcare because you peasants don't get to dictate what I do with your tax dollars." - Hillary "Literal Slave Owner" Clinton

Hillary Clinton is responsible for CHIPS. She is behind why every child in the US has had access to healthcare whatever their families’ economic or immigration status. & work release isnt equivalent to slavery, & suggesting it is is morally abhorrent.

"Sure she had black people working the plantation for no pay under threat of severe penalties, but we came up with a nice term for it. Checkmate, The Blacks."

Ttoal BS. Blocked

Yeah, buddy, her being responsible for CHIPS makes it even more disgusting that she rallied against M4A. Do you ever think things through when you say them?

Well, to be accurate, Bill & Hillary Clinton had slaves.

Great to see you posting garbage that distracts from the disgusting abomination that is the Trump administration. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

for most adults with a fully developed brain it is possible, easy even, to be aware of more than one thing at a time.

Yes but this is about America…

why do you want to protect war criminals, pedos and slaveowners? Do you actually care about what fascist shit trump doing or is it cause he as an (R) next to his name? cause defending these horrible fucks proves otherwise

How the fuck does posting horseshit about Hillary Clinton do any good whatsoever? Newsflash...she isn't in any position of power ex being the Chancellor of a University. You are wasting people's time with distraction. Hence my view you're a bad faith actor as bad as any MAGAt.

Until the DNC distances itself from Clintons and all centrist ass dems, I'm gonna bring it up, or will shit will never fucking change you dumbfuck

You're a moron.

You're a moron as you can't see how the dems helped get us here, and not abandoning the one who have rat fucked the whole country for their own personal gain without thought. But I know someone like you never learns, and truly doesn't believe in true democracy.

do you people think this washed shit still works?

Ronald Reagan loved quiche.

Your point being? And I say this as the descendant of enslaved people. What's the point? Or is 'owning the libs' the entire point? And what a sad point that is.

Lmao no chance of you being Black and no chance of you having slave ancestry

I think your reply is the point

funny how when the republicans say that the founding fathers having slaves in the 1700s is no longer relevant and shouldn't be taught in schools, it's clear why that's a bad thing. But if someone brings up hillary clinton having slaves in the 1980s, the answer is what's the point of talking about it

Do you really think that saying Hilary Clinton isn't 'nice' is NEWS? Bill is the true monster, but anybody who knows ANYTHING knows about Hilary Clinton. She called Black children 'predators'. That ship sailed a long time ago. Focus on NOW.

Now people are simping for more democrats that are just as evil. It's not irrelevant to point out the depravity of the "opposition" If you can't stand your leaders being criticised how are you any different from the maga cult

i didn't say hillary clinton wasn't nice, i said she had slaves. ill focus my advocacy on what i like, thank you. you're free to go advocate for the things you think are important. hopefully we can both make progress

Good luck to you.

you too

What are you people on about now?

excuse me which people do you mean

The people saying Hillary Clinton keeps slaves? What is this about?

she and Bill used unpaid prison laborers as servants and groundskeepers etc in the Governors mansion when he was governor, and she wrote about how nice it was having slaves to keep costs down in her book. You can read more here www.currentaffairs.org/news/2017/06...

thanks for the info. didn't they come from Arkansas? Not exactly a bastion of progressive thinking..

It’s not just Arkansas. It’s every state in the union where it is legal and in use. So, I wouldn’t get too excited.

The prison system is broken, that's for sure.

Dear Liberals, stop scapegoating predominately rural southern regions as a means to distinguish yourselves from "Good-antiracist" America versus "Bad-racist" America. America's sociopolitical history is not the customer service counter.

Exactly. It’s Blue Haven California, where inmates fight wildfires. It’s every state where inmates pick up trash. It’s in everything. America has never existed without slavery, and that’s not just true of the Bad States.

Yes sir

It’s not the prison system. It’s top to bottom. It’s all the intersecting systems in our society. The educational, legal, social, political, and a thousand other systems that allow, create, and reinforce these outcomes. The prison system needs to be abolished, but that’s only a start.

All the "whatabout" whites with their crazy comments to this statement are flat-out embarrassing.

Political leaders & their connection to slavery... www.reuters.com/investigates...

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm talking about Hillary Clinton having slaves. if you look at the replies to my post you'll find plenty of links to informative articles, or you can search on www.google.com. Here's one for your convenience: www.currentaffairs.org/news/2017/06...

She was never Governor of her state, although her husband was. It might have been more accurate to say that Bill Clinton, who was a governor and POTUS had slaves.

"I had slaves, but my wife didn't benefit from it or give them orders. After they cooked and cleaned for us she'd go behind them and do it again because she knew slavery was bad and would run for president one day. This also made the slavery cruel AND pointless." - Bill Clinton, apparently

This discussion is pointless unless we understand that Trump would go back to slavery days if he could get away with it, and short of that, Jim Crow where minorities and women knew their place..

No, it's not, because we're not talking about Trump. However we are talking about Hillary Clinton, the slave owner, in 1980s. Not during Jim Crow. Not in the 1800s. Hillary Clinton owned slaves. In the 1980s.

LMAO the Slavery Enthusiast blocked me for being anti-slavery.

I am out of this discussion. I never find it useful to discuss how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, or imprecise definitions which this is.

your apologetics for slavery are disgusting

She was just a helpless Modern Feminist Icon! ///////s

Not sure there’s much difference between Bill having slaves and Hillary using Bill’s slaves, in fact it’s a very silly and stupid distinction to try and make.

So her family held slaves. Go sit in a fucking corner and think about what you're trying to handwave here.

You know this is slavery apologia right? Also, Hillary wrote about it in her book and used the word "we" and "I" when she talks about using prison labor, which means she considered those slaves to also be her slaves.

Too bad, I am not apologizing, I am being very, very picky and technical, since you are too.

We already know you aren't going to apologize for slavery apologia just because it's slavery done by the Dems in accordance with the 13th amendment. It's just weird and immoral to do so, and it's literally what Trump wants

No you aren’t, you’re just being pedantic and sucking at it in a weak attempt to excuse Hillary Clinton having slaves.

Did Hillary live in the governor’s mansion? Did the governor’s mansion have slaves? Did Hillary make use of those slaves? Unless the answer to all of the above is “no,” Hillary had slaves.

Really? I so glad that you, in your infinite wisdom know what I am doing. Never assume with me.

You literally admitted to being pedantic about this. That's not an assumption, it's called reading lmfao

I said I was, the entire discussion is useless and accomplishes nothing. I am sorry I even responded. Isn’t worth the effort.,

Yes, trying to do modern day slavery apologia is never worth the effort, glad you finally see that.

Did you not say “I am being very, very picky and technical”? Because that’s literally what “being pedantic” means, dipshit.

are you saying it's better in some way that technically her husband owned slaves and she just used them or whatever?

If this clown was any good at being pedantic they’d point out the state technically owned the slaves, Bill and Hillary just had free use of them.

Even pickier than me. I like that.

I, personally, believe women have agency and are capable of making decisions in the household. But I recognize that some people are still so backwards they think that women are incapable of and so not culpable for household decisions.

She was First Lady of Arkansas, she could've put her foot down at any time. That prison labor rehab bullshit was a PR tough on crime move she DINO backed Bill on. Check out her involvement in Haiti post-earthquake if you want more anger ammo.

I like your thinking, and to add to what women are capable of, they can make decisions about their own bodies without men, or the government sticking their noses, or other parts of their bodies, into the decision.

Okay but why are you changing the subject to deflect from Hillary Clinton having slaves

To remind us that HRC picked an anti-abortion running mate

being a slavery apologist because Hillary owned people is fucking pyscho dude

do you think im a donald trump guy who disagrees with this or something? im not sure what you're trying to do here

They can't understand that people criticize the Dems from the left because the left actually has morals, so they wrongfully assume that anyone criticising the Dems is a secret maga or some nonsense. It's literally cult mentality I swear

Nothing new here. In this country, most white people owned slaves.

Sally Hemings was 3/4 white, and Martha's half sister. Eisenhower was 3/4 white.

Being 3/4 White didn't mean anything to Thomas Jefferson. The 1/4 Black gave him permission to rape Hemings when she was 14 years old.

It was in her biography, correct? Conserning the time her husband was a governor?

Yup. Unpaid prison laborers.

Think this is the complete plan moving forward. Who's going to be picking the crops and building the things now that ICE has destroyed those communities? Newly criminalized homeless, scapegoated minorities, and the dissenting That's who Free labor & govt contracts Double dipping No shame Evil

Are you talking about the rock band Slaves?

They changed their name to Soft Play.

no I'm talking about the unpaid prison labor she used as gardners and housekeepers in the governors mansion in arkansas which she wrote about herself in her book "it takes a village"

Ok, that is what I thought you were talking about, but, technically they were Bill’s slaves since he was governor. Here Trump is trying to make anyone one on Medicaid slaves and pick the crops that are rotting in the fields because he is terrorizing all the workers.

Sorry, she lived in a home maintained by slave labor. The equivocations honestly speak negatively to your character

the kind of thinking that got abe lincoln dubbed the hair splitter

I thought the bullet did that

😯 Jaysus H Comedic Christ that was a funny kind of wrong bwahaha

Too soon?

More like the Secret Service. Too late.

I was pretty proud/ashamed of it 😅

That's the best kind of comedy! He probably would've laughed too if he hadn't left it all on the seat back.

"technically they were her husband's slaves, she just used them and told them what to do sometimes" isn't the slam dunk you think it is pal.

it's literally the same defense people trot out for concentration camp guards wives "oh they didn't actually do anything wrong, they just knowingly benefited from slavery and didn't do anything to stop it"

Not a good comparison. In the case of the concentration guard’s wives, to complain and protest would get them either a bullet in the head or a swift move into the concentration camp themselves. It was like what Trump is doing to anyone who disagrees with him.

so the concentration camp guard's spouse had the threat of violence that kept them from acting...this is a defense of hilary because ???

was bill going to murder hill if she said something? that is literally your only defense given the argument you've presented here

this is more apologetics, it's also untrue

like i need you to think about what you're doing here, you're dismissing criticism of slavery in the modern world and making apologetics for women who benefited from proximity to power by saying they didn't have a choice in it

and another thing, was hillary going to be shot by bill for saying "hey maybe we shouldn't have slaves do our laundry and cook our meals" no she wasnt! you're making fucked up comparisons because your favs are evil and it makes you feel bad when you're confronted with the evidence

Writing a wholeass paragraph about how this lady was in danger

Man, you don't have to hand it to nazis

as a jew i can say with confidence this is entirely untrue. as untrue as the idea that women have some inherent purity over men and should not be assumed to be complicit in cultural acts of genocide or enslavement. there were many women in active support of the nazi government.

just like there were many in support of american slavery long before clinton. hillary was not going to be shot in the head if she said she didn't like the whole Having Slaves thing she and her husband were doing during the 80s. www.history.com/articles/whi...

you have to grow as a person from where you are right now. because as it is you're doing apologia for modern slavery, which means you have an uncurious craven heart susceptible to thoughtless political bandwagoning. you are rotting inside and you know it. be a human about this, not a fuckin' bot.

if you can't say something extremely simple like "modern slavery is bad, and the clinton's usage of slaves is bad and reflects poorly on them as people and politicians" then you've given up on your humanity, and are willing to turn an eye from objective suffering and exploitation.

We can't leave out what she did in Haiti and Libya, too. Wage suppression, human trafficking, and literal slave markets. Seems to be a pattern. 🤔

The line between pro capitalism and pro slavery is non existent. 😐💯

*salves

*Slaves humantraffickingsearch.org/2017627moder...

Good lord. I thought it was a joke, a la Charlie Brown had hoes.

Charlie Brown had slaves

*salves

Sadly nope

Yeah, it's one of those facts that sounds like a joke. - Rich Europeans stole and ate countless Egyptian mummies - Israeli goon platoons - For forty years Princeton Penn Museum hid, lied and fought to keep the remains of children killed in the 1985 Move bombing.

😂