because i will never be able to address the full scope of those kind of things in a post, you are not going to send me articles to counter your claim and a simple google search produces them, it becomes a silly game of one upmanship, who can get the best article, not into that
Interesting point of view. Do you allow evidence to interact with your beliefs at all, and if so how? What do you think of as evidence? Have you ever asked yourself how you know what you know, and what makes something you believe worth arguing on the internet?
one argues his point of view and does his or her resarch, they allow the other argument the right to prove them wrong, produce salient facts in text and trust the person you converse with will take it into account, it a short forum here, not designed for rigorous documentation
You think people should "produce salient facts in text" but don't think they should provide evidence for those salient facts?
If that's all it takes here then let me rephrase my previous post: "Things like using any claimed association w/ Hamas to justify attacking civilian structures (where IL conditions are much more stringent), orders to shoot all men in a certain age range, forcing civilians to scout"
what i get from most people who respond negatively is a history lesson, not a way to stop the suffering in Gaza, in Gaza, an ancient place, there's been more rulers than in a stationary store, please no history, tell me why when the simplest path is Hamas negotiating an end to the war they don't
You didn't come into this conversation asking for a way to stop the suffering in Gaza, you came here to complain that people aren't on Israel's side. The fact is Hamas is willing to negotiate an end to the war and Israel is the one refusing bc Netanyahu et al want the war to continue
In the meantime this is the subthread where you asked me what general practices the IDF had that broke international law and I gave three examples that you haven't addressed yet.
the quickest way to end the conflict is for Hamas to negotiate an end to the war, not another history lesson, or its Israel won't let them end the war, returning the hostages and laying down weapons is all Hamas has to do for the end to the war, its never the easy answer with people
Clearly it's not as Hamas keeps expressing willingness to negotiate an end to the conflict and Israel is refusing to enter negotiations. Israel literally ended the previous ceasefire in order to avoid starting the previously-agreed upon phase 2 that involved having negotiations to end the war.
"The quickest way to end the conflict" literally why do you think that. What knowledge allows you to say this with such certainty. I've given you (several times now) reasons to believe that statement is false. You've given no reason to think it's true. Do you have reasons for your beliefs?
because it is looking us the face, they have hostages, they were the aggressor who started the conflict and now have no way of militarily winning, if they value the health of the population, the right thing would be to end the war
if there was a willingness to end the conflict all the hostages would have been offered, they won't even return dead bodies freely, arguing he said she said about negotiations we are not privy to goes nowhere
"Offering all the hostages" isn't "negotiations", it's "offering all the hostages". Why are you using the word "negotiations" when it's not the word you mean?
yes, if you have a fact, say it, if you make a short reference ok, but no book like articles especially please, all the material needed for exhaustive research is generally available to everyone, when i want that I can do it, I prefer conversing to being told what to think
That's funny because I gave three facts at your request, twice, and you haven't addressed any of them.
please, you will find a lot of people to share your facts, and you can all be happy that you have those facts and that you are right, and not anything in that area will be solved, people will go on hating on both sides, but you will have the facts
"one argues his point of view and does his or her resarch, they allow the other argument the right to prove them wrong, produce salient facts in text and trust the person you converse with will take it into account" So I see you're not a person who I can trust will take facts I produce into account
i have heard nothing to show me that my position on Hamas is wrong,
We're not talking about your position on Hamas here but your position on the IDF. You asked me for something, I provided it in the way in which you claim to expect, and you did not respond in the way in which you claim to believe one should respond.
no, i am looking at the best for the inhabitants of that territory at this time, it always comes down to Israel bad guy with all these libs so concerned, and it doesn't solve the issue, it just is someone to blame, an unnecessary hate consumes that area, and its not all Israel, figure it out