Today's Poll: Would you support the introduction of a digital ID card? 1️⃣ I'm male: Yes 2️⃣ I'm male: No 3️⃣ I'm female: Yes 4️⃣ I'm female: No 📊 Show results
Today's Poll: Would you support the introduction of a digital ID card? 1️⃣ I'm male: Yes 2️⃣ I'm male: No 3️⃣ I'm female: Yes 4️⃣ I'm female: No 📊 Show results
Three things One, not everyone has digital communication, especially the poor and those of older generations Two, digital information gets hacked. Would imagine the database would have a large bounty Three, what if we have an extremist government who would use it to target certain groups
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think there is a degree of confusion between a digitally enabled ID card and a digital card. the first is a means of identification validated and held centrally the second is a way that government and others can link all your data through a single key. Admittedly the later is almost with us
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No, remember the Government's covid 'test and trace' fiasco.
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2. Nope. Not wanted on voyage.
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I am against any form of digital-only ID. The government isn't ready for it, can't keep it secure, safe, untampered and correct (see Windrush and the current UKVI debacle). And verification is impossible without tools and connectivity (again, see the current UKVI and upcoming ETA debacle).
Last time I checked. my UKVI account had two foreign ID cards linked to it, one of which for a country called "Unknown". Who is piggy-backing on my ILR, and how is this even possible? They don't know, and don't seem to be able to fix it.
The system is worse than the Post Offices' Horizon.
There is a difference between having a digital ID card and being forced to present it on demand, like stop and search. The UK should adopt a clear written constitution before introducing ID cards to protect ordinary people from unwarranted state intrusion.
The problems come in two parts: 1. How the current govt would implement it 2. How future govts would use it The current govt really can't be trusted to implement any ID scheme fairly. Future govts will surely abuse it, as they can. It's a "foot in the door" kind of thing to "papers, please"
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Depends on whether we're asked to pay for it and, if so, how much!
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No because how long before this scheme is hacked by a "rouge nation" or a 13 year old.
the government already has your data
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Is it to be a CARD though? Or is it a digital ID carried on your smartphone? I'm ok with the former but absolutely against the latter.
So you will be asked for your ID by officials the whole time. That in itself is wrong - you don't need papers to be in the street in a free country. But far worse the inevitable linking of data, so you're stopped in the street and they will know EVERYTHING about you by scanning your ID bar code.
There's no mention of having to produce it upon request. Even if it was required, one could just say they don't have it. Specific legislation would have to be introduced in order for police to search you for it. Such legislation would be unpopular, so it's unlikely any government would introduce it.
if you don't have to produce it there's no point having it. In countries where ID cards exist it becomes a way for police to harass whoever they want - "Can I see your ID? Haven't got it? - in that case I am going to search your pockets"
"Which Act/section are you searching me under? Oh there isn't one? Have a nice day officer."
Yeah, sure.
If they make it illegal not to have it 🤷
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Male: No.
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It would be nice to have a non-digital ID too (thinking of for my wife who's a technophobe).
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3 Iive in Europe. We have ID cards . It’s actually really helpful
I would support a physical card but not digital. male and old
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The fact that there isn't a 5th and 6th option (I appreciate, by arbitrary technical limitations, but that's often the point) is why the 3rd set of options should all be saying "no".
Anyone that says "yes" doesn't understand how dangerous this is. This current govt. is bad enough, but think what a Farage govt will use your data for. Blanket surveillance and a hacker's honeypot.
This is an irrational fear, the government already has everything, including the means to do all that. Having an ID card doesn't make that more likely or more possible. The problem with a digital ID is that is it easily manipulated, hacked, stolen, or useless because systems are down. Ask UKVI users
an ID card (a real one) however does end the identify fraud (it takes 5 minutes to fake a utility bill) that is widespead in the UK, it will allow everyone to ID themselfs to vote, it can be used as a secure authentication mechanism online (with a reader or an NFC phone), and many other benefits.
I'm afraid you're wrong. It's not irrational at all. Maybe check out Big Brother Watch as well as other useful references.
I'm not saying your fear for Farage or other (pseudo) facists isn't real. I was born in a country with excellent government records when the Germans invaded, I know what that can do to a population. I am saying that everything you fear can already be done, before or without introducing ID's.
What data do you think will be on a Digital ID card that the government doesn’t already have? The NHS has records of every appointment you have. The HMRC should have records of every employment you take. This is a verification tool to prove you are who you say you are.
how is it different than a passport
A passport is not mandatory.
neither is the digital ID
So why have one?
to verify your age?
Then use a passport? I still don't see the justification or a cost benefit analysis
I'm not taking my passport on a night out, but I'll have my phone - same motivation for putting credit cards on there too. it's easier
Why not take your passport? I used to when growing up. The cost of replacing an ID card would likely be the same
it would likely be free
Not true I don’t think. Reports are that it would be compulsory.
do you have a link to these reports? it's not true of most other systems
Just do a news search… it’s all over the various news channels today…
I'm non-binary, and no. Bit weird that you've left us out of the poll, mind.
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Papers please... Very British... Not
Hum, because governments have such a great record when it comes to securing digital data
they already have it
They’re a bad idea, it means you are forced to carry your ID with you at all times and have to own a phone. This discriminates against those who are homeless, which is becoming more prevalent due to the lack of affordable housing. It’s also completely insecure and could lead to abuse.
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Number 2, it's a stupid idea and an authoritarian wet dream also a hacker's paradise. This obsession with everything digital is a dangerous road
your data is already there, it's just having a driver's license on your phone
Your data isn't there and I think you're being naive I'm sorry to say. If you can give me an example of a government data centre that hasn't been compromised I might feel a little more confident but unfortunately we've had too many cases of personal data being released or left on train's
why do you think they don't already store your data?
It's a long answer however it involves isolated systems and not integration. Like your phone if you have everything on it it leaves you extremely vulnerable to hacking. The more access point's the easier it is. Banking apps, Facebook apps, email, linkedin, etc. you have all that on your phone then
You are a hacker's wet dream 🤷. By keeping data isolated it makes it harder. A digital id is a recipe for disaster
nothing in any proposal is proposing anything more than what your current driving license holds
Yes but what happens when reform get in, look at what palantir are doing with the NHS data and ask yourself what will happen when it becomes law to have your digital id with you at all times, what happens when they incorporate it into one id. What happens when you apply for health insurance or a
well if that happens we have bigger issues ahahah and it won't matter who is opposed to it like it reform have control over gchq what does it matter anyway
I'm so glad you don't get to make the decision 😄. If data is hard for the government to access then it's hard for thieves. Centralisation and Id cards are only wanted by big tech and that's really all we need to know that it's a stupid idea
Mortgage or a job. As I said this is a dangerous road and it's something we don't actually need
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Nothing to hide so 3 yes
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2 - I wouldn't trust any government to do this properly
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I'd say 1 if it was free and not compulsory (My mum is in her 80's and wants nothing to do with phones etc.)
2 I’m a bit confused why do people want this? What do they think it will improve?
As someone who can't drive, I used to have to take my passport on nights out to get into bars. A digital ID card would be so much easier.
Yes, makes sense although optional rather than compulsory?
sorry but I don't get what the fuss is all about. I grew up in Italy, husband is Finnish. We both always had ID cards and social security ID numbers. No problems at all. We both welcome the cards in UK, in fact, it's almost too late - should have been done ages ago!!!! let's get them now!
Well this isn't Italy or Finland. A card with just a name is one thing, but UK govs can't be trusted not to turn it into a glorious 'all in one' hellscape w/ all our data available in one hackable, insecure & badly managed system. Piss ups & breweries spring to mind frm past experience, so no, ta.
It's a world away from a digital ID card that an official can scan and then know everything about you.
With facial recognition, they don't even have to scan it, and that's the risk, if they get the facial recognition wrong they can demand your digital ID and now they know everything for no reason. Digital ID can be linked to a whole host of other systems including tax, car registrations, medical
You think these things are not already linked? You already have a NI number and an NHS number to identify you as an individual.
They aren't. Eg one database for NI and tax records another for Health Records another for driving offenses. A traffic officer can't see if you owe tax, a doctor doesn't know if you have been speeding.
And they won’t with Digital ID which has different layers and authorised persons only see what they need to see.
The government is not your friend.
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Digital, no; driving licence-like, yes. Free of charge. #IDcard
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Depends what they put on the card. And if everything on the card is visible.
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If it was an optional thing I could pull up at the pharmacy when I forget my driving licence to collect CDs, yes. Compulsory and used to track me? No.
You presumably don’t use a mobile phone then if you don’t like being tracked?
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Digital? How, where, who?
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3. Do not understand the antipathy
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95 votes means nothing
Give it an hour or two.
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I think you're only allowed 4 options
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Poll results after 24 hours: Today's Poll: Would you support the introduction of a digital ID card? 1️⃣ I'm male: Yes 🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️ (277) 2️⃣ I'm male: No 🟦🟦⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️ (132) 3️⃣ I'm female: Yes 🟦🟦⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️ (124) 4️⃣ I'm female: No 🟦⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️ (70)
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Absolutely not. The level of insecurity online now is shocking. Our data will be used by all sorts of criminal activity !
they already have all your data
Why is anyone talking about a digital card then ?
so you don't have to carry round your passport for ages verification
As somebody who is baby-faced, unable to get a driver's license and not keen to carry her passport around, yes I would very much like something that's acceptable.
postoffice.co.uk/identity/pass-card share.google/PVqgmiQLA6V0... There you go, it's existed for years.
And, might I add, very much not the same thing as is being discussed here.
I actually had something like that in the past (it was called a citizen card I think) but no stores knew what it was and refused to accept it despite having the pass hologram. Now I just don't bother carrying ID unless I know it'll be needed. The Government needs to properly campaign them.