Unbelievable

A lot of them don't know about all his shady business dealings and bankruptcies either. Especially the casino bankruptcies. They think he is such a successful businessman.

They don’t care about that stuff anyway. He makes them feel like they’re somebody. He boosts their failed sense of self. Granted, he cons them with this, but they fall for it.

Listen, we've told them over and over, they have Google, they DO NOT CARE, they rebut all allegations with whataboutism and they will never care.

They also say all casinos go bankrupt.

And that’s not true. lol the house always wins.

Calling it ignorance is whitewashing the fact. It isn't ignorance, it's willful disregard. The facts are all there and have been this whole time, and the GOP faithful have been excusing and overlooking 45's many crimes all along.

Exactly. We need to stop whitewashing who and what they intend and believe. From the halls of Congress to the trailer park, Trump supporters want to claim good intentions when they know their intentions are violence.

Oh trust me, like all his previous illegal and morally corrupt behaviour, it is quickly dismissed as “fake news” Just so ya know, they don’t even watch Fox anymore because some reporting upsets them. They get their news from SM. That’s it. “Truth” social, X, Kirk, Rogan, Loomer etc.

I don't trust you. Because obviously you don't even know that Loomer (and she's not the only one) is upset about this and wants Bondi gone because she is upset the list isn't being released. The more MAGA listen to these SM, the more they question Trump and the harder it is to dismiss.

But go on being a Gloomy Gus who thinks everything is hopeless. That'll help a lot...

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It hasn't fallen out of our otherwise-squirrel-like attention spans after two weeks. Maybe the orange one is in real trouble!

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I live in a district that votes 70-30 Republican every single election: a) Most of that 70% would be considered 'apolitical' to the typical BlueSky poster b) they get very little political news, what they do see comes from Fox or shared by friends c) they don't know what they don't know

this therefore also translates into a lot of people not seeing the damage this regime is doing

Yes. This is why we don’t have enough people to do a general strike yet. I think even more numerous than Fox viewers are the “apolitical” who do not watch news, but they still absorb the misinformation from friends and family.

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And get their "information" from TikTok 🤦‍♀️

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Their ability to wormhole the obvious is staggering.

Don't care to listen, you mean‼️

Evidence that @jaketapper.bsky.social (and others lol) is doing a shit job as a reporter. @allinwithchris.bsky.social @chriscillizza.bsky.social

Can confirm. One disturbing night, at a screamy republican relative’s house, I woke up at midnight to use the bathroom. Wandering through the house, I realised there were TVs in several rooms—all of them left on Fox News, which was spewing hate speech in the middle of the night. 24/7 indoctrination

My BIL did this! Strangest thing I'd ever seen. We stayed there and the Fox channel blared all night long, even when he went to sleep after us.

I think what they have heard is dismissed as fake media or Dem lies or victims making up stories to get money. Or as in the Epstein files some convoluted bull about how Trump was involved but has seen the light and is now heroically trying to uncover the crimes. Just incredible!

I don't think ignorance is an excuse for cruelty and racism. MAGA sees what's happening with immigrants and cheer. So it's not misinformation if they are enjoying the news and buying Alligator Alcatraz t-shirts.

It makes me sick but I think this is true.

ignorant? fundamental misunderstanding - they're fucxing stupid; unfortunately, there's power in numbers

Do any of Trump's base have "the google"?

Nonsense, they know what he is. Many see themselves in him, those that don't just close their eyes. Just as many Germans did with the Nazis.

Trying to apply logic and reason to MAGA is like trying to herd cats. They have all of the critical thinking skills of a half eaten turnip. Good luck with that.

I suspect that most MAGAts are not big on reading.

That's what happens when people only consume news that is utterly disconnected from reality.

MAGA is full of demented stupid people

This is the tip of their "deep state" iceberg. Tr*** Epste!n M0ssad Net****** Is this why our government is "owned?"

They really are Not smart!

Selective hearing and comprehension. They just know if they admit that drumpf was wrong all of this time, SO WERE THEY...It's pride and arrogance...Narcissism and self righteousness. Mix that with racism and misogyny, and you got maga 2025.

You nailed it.

Thank you! 👏🏽

I do my best to make sense out of the insanity. Thank YOU, my dear.

Facebook and Fox News fucked us without even the thought of lube.

How would maga know about trump's association with Epstein if all they listened to for nearly 10 was trump, his loyalists, faux news, Newsmax and OAN?

They know,don't care as long as he hurts who they hate and fear.

…and they enjoy seeing it on TV! 🤷🏽‍♀️ #Cruelty #SickSociety

They will give up their rights and benefits and freedoms for him too.

As long brown people suffer it’s ok for them to

Not just brown people. Sadly, there are lots of Black and brown people who support DDT. The percentage is a lot smaller than among White people, but it is not insignificant. Pretending that his support is confined to White, rural, uneducated, and Southern voters is both false and dangerous.

There’s no reason to blame anyone but white people for Trump. And it’s definitely not just the rural ones. And it’s exactly bc of the percentages you mentioned.

It’s really stupid the people he wants out vote for him

It is. It's shocking, but also in some ways not surprising. Of course, most brown people or people with recent immigrants in their family didn't vote for him. But a sizable chunk did, and many of them have been shedding tears that the cruelty they wanted inflicted on others has now come to them.

Trump won the dumb vote. There isn’t any other way to say it. It wasn’t the smart vote, the white vote, or anything else. The only things is, he magically pulled off winning the bullet ballot votes in just the swing States at a rate of more than 20 (up to 50) times normal. That ain’t right…🤔

Didn’t trump said something like Elon knows the voting machines well implying they rigged it

To be truthful, he also pulled off the wealthy suburban vote, as those interests are equivocal to Trump’s: worry about yourself, earn lots of money, pay less taxes, bad stuff is about someone else’s bad decisions, the institutions of power protect us and we aren’t with the Q crazies, fake news

He won because too many Democrats stayed home instead of voting for the HIGHLY QUALIFIED BLACK WOMAN. Racism rules in AmeriKKKa.

I think in general unfortunately over 80 % in a society are completely apolitical and more interested in lifestyle topics, consumerism and entertainment I count in Party, Music festivals, Drinking etc in the latter also. It’s the old saying as long people have Bread and Games they won’t stand up

When witness the true character of a man and still try claim he been sent by God you are delusional

It's truly amazing how much they've lied to themselves about trump. Hopefully, the epstein list is just the beginning. Maybe they'll finally see the truth.

Why would people who believe in the buybull give a shit about his misconduct now? This is a waste of energy, but a great distraction for liberals that are ignoring a genocide.

They don't want to know. I've tried for 8 years to educate them to his sins with video and audio evidence. I get called a liar or it's too long to read. They don't have time.

If it’s not on Fox, they don’t believe it.

Exactly

once more #WithAltText

This is true. The collective brainwashing has been years in the making

Shakespeare "The Devil can quote the Bible for his own purpose".

The cult is made up mostly of idiots and assholes. The idiots actually believe the bullshit. The assholes profit off their misguided beliefs. I look forward to maga minds exploding when their cognitive dissonance is truly tested. Wow.

They know Trumps in there and don’t care, they’re just angry they won’t know who else is in there. He promised blood in the water.

Idk if I fully believe this though? Even my not-particularly-political teenager knows about their relationship, including the infamous "[Epstein] likes beautiful women as much as I [Trump] do, and many of them are on the younger side" quote. This is pretty mainstream / widespread knowledge.

They chose to not know. A close relative of mine did this constantly so I had a front seat to the delusional thinking.

How do they live in the real world without any facts? How do you know bills are coming up, or family members celebrating a birthday? What about harder things, is it time to get a new job, or change your health insurance? I don’t understand how to live without getting some facts?

This is just talking about their news sources. They don't get the facts about Trump and the larger world.

The same people think trump is a brilliant businessman, so this fits right in with the rest of the ignorance about him

They knew...And they approved

Magas ignorance on just about everything for the last 10 years is why they won't budge. One would think in their miniscule brain cells that they might have been enlightened by heartless acts going on, but that is one hell of a stretch.

So.. you are part of the media. How do propose DEMS get their attention?

They knew... but Q assured them that he was an infiltrator "doing what he had to do" to stop the Cabal. Now that he's presented the appearance of a coverup, Q smells like a psy-op intended to keep them complacent... and they're pissed.

Oh, David... just stop. You piece of shyt.

Ok sorry, you're not a piece of shyt. But this whole "I'm an evolved Christo-fascist" movement annoys me. You guys (and your gals) need to go back to the rock you lived under before they convinced Regan that he needed to draw you out w that whole family values bullshyt. "Gov bad; church fam good!"

*Reagan (as if I care)

Democrats largely fail at messaging my whole life. It’s maddening as hell.

A lot of Trump fans probably still sincerely believe that the Pope endorsed him back in 2016.

MAGA is a cult

LOL. FUCKING IMBECILES. MY DOG IS SMART ENOUGH TO GOOGLE THESE 3 STORIES, TO " PROVE " HE'S NOT A CHRISTIAN NOR EVEN A GOOD HUMAN BEING. *PEDOPHILE BEST FRIEND. *RIDICULED A DISABLED MAN LIVE ON TV. *PAID A PORN ACTRESS TO SETTLE OUT OF COURT. HE'S WHITE TRASH AT BEST.

I think that’s an insult to white trash.

They’re burning their MAGA hats 🧢

Hopefully while they’re wearing them.

😂😂

Continuos warm yellow stream of Faux News. They think everything is peachy.

There are so many things Fox News doesn't tell MAGA. All you have to do is give them a little detail about something and they will tell you "I never heard that". Fox News is always on at the gym and they are relentlessly talking about Pres. Biden, or Hunter Biden. Clueless bunch.

I don’t know how many times I have said to my mom, “How do you not know that?” They choose not to hear, not to know. They have been trained.

You're so right. My mom's line was "I always wondered what they're telling you" it didn't matter that it came off of trumps own website. Or "That's not what he means and you know it" 🙄

"He's just joking". No, no he is not. That was one way Limbaugh or Fox could laugh away (ignore) the absurd things coming out of Trump's mouth.

The closed info loop isn't restricted, or small. Even if you trued to verify something it's an huge ecosystem of FB posts, blogs, You Tube, X/Truth social, podcasts, local radio... I don't know how it ever gets fixed, because there is so much out there now, it's a whole evil alternate reality.

Have fam that recognize that “phones know everything about you” but can’t see they’re being influenced. They believe YouTube a neutral site and a purveyor of truth b/c they think themselves aware, smart and in total control of the misinfo dished out on the internet cess pool of targeted algorithms.

Same. Mine lives in a Fox News bubble.

they ignore shit that can't get in to their tiny little brains.

That’s like saying Trump doesn’t know how tariffs work then tells companies to eat the tariffs

They lie

They don’t know or choose not to believe? I understand their media doesn’t cover it at all so they really could be blind.

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Closed information system + personal vulnerabilities (stupidity, undereducation, religious indoctrination, racism) exploited = CULT MEMBER.

When do they drink the cool aid?!

Soon, I hope

Great works Elon musk

great 🤑

Ignorance is not an excuse.

It’s bliss for them n the rest pay the price

To keep orange god, all things said against orange god can be considered blasphemy and therefore dismissed. Its the ultimate shield. Now the courts have bowed to orange god, the lie doesn't need the truth.

Which is why it is hilarious that they insist liberals and Democrats are the ones living in an echo chamber or information bubble. They literally have entire media empires to control their information.

how did the news that Bondi announced that there is NO Epstein list reach those fanatics? a bridge too far for the right wing bubble of talking heads, and they broke the news? Did they not associate DonOld Trump? They fall so hard for those right wing TH that they believed Hillary was involved?

THIS is what people do not understand. IT IS A CULT because they ONLY consume the cults messages. No other information is allowed in.

Your (former?) Party played this brilliantly starting a few decades ago with Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. They picked voices to play the rural white fear of minorities and liberals. The seeds were planted and an unscrupulous conman/grifter from NY saw an opportunity. He talked their language.

Sharing this for anyone who hasn't seen it yet. Brilliant documentary about the right-wing's brainwashing machine & what we can do to reclaim friends and family members. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS52...

I watched this awhile ago ... very enlightening but initially really sad 😣

They have a staggering amount to learn!

Time to help them find the truth, right?

I think French is excusing TRUMPERS far too much with his claims of their innocent ignorance.

He groomed them from the day he came down the escalator to not believe anything negative said about him. Aside for horrifying it’s been so strange to have watched millions of people around you be literally brainwashed.

Speaking of Cult Worshippers…they’ve been around for a long time. This from 16 years ago, for example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ty7...

Hanlon's Razor?

The Fox propaganda machine kept anything bad about Trump from MAGA, while demonizing any and all democrats, for over a decade now. It's the long game of a slow moving coup attempt on America. Makes you wonder who they serve.

MAGA ignorance is astounding, and it’s a choice.

Oh. FFS. They know. They always knew.

Willful ignorance is no excuse. No quarter.

Well, it seems Musk didn't know when he was cosying up to Trump. And suddenly he knows all about it.

People need to watch Jordan Klepper’s “Fingering the Pulse” specials. Not to make fun of these gullible fools, but to study them and understand just how we got into this mess. The scariest part was when he was in Hungary, and they’re parroting the very same propaganda. It all reeks of the Kremlin.

Fact. Donald Trump was one of the original Epsteiners. Apparently, it was not an occasional thing. They were buddies. They were chums. You can see it in the photos.

This is all fun and games but remember, the only thing that matters to Republicans are corporate welfare and tax cuts for the rich. As long as Republicans deliver that, they’ll be fine. Everything else is just a sideshow.

Weak minds have weak responses.

Those who know he cheated on 3 wives, stiffed contractors, falsified business records, was forced to close his charitable foundation for misusing$, had to close his university, & went bankrupt as a casino owner multiple times excuse it saying God can work through sinners to accomplish His purposes.

MAGA is angry ppl orange taint has always been so good at guarding them, focusing their anger on someone else. Now their anger is focused on him Epstein Bond, and so on. He is delusional enough to believe that he can tell them to stop and it’ll all just go away? Use + button if exceeding word count

Well let’s keep informing them on this topic and the rest of them

finally showing morals, though it's hard to believe they actually care if a child was involved with Epstein & co-predator's. They don't seem to care about anything else. Guess they're tired of being lied to, repeatedly.

This is bullshit. They choose not to know or, rather, gleefully pretend not to know. That’s what “fake news” means—revenge of the stupid against anyone intelligent and conscientious. What started as civic vandalism has become war against the country and is progressing towards genocide.

Their willful ignorance is beyond staggering.

And that’s why it seems less like ignorance and more like disregard for the basic principles of decency, ergo, purposeful cruelty.

Because they watch fox news

Cults don’t listen

It’s a cult. They will dismiss Trump on the list as fake, or a “witch hunt.” What they are really mad about is they were looking forward to seeing some Democrats on the list to confirm their prurient interests and endless hate.

Yep

Yup.

True, but if Trump continues to maintain that there is no list, or that any list is a Democrat-concocted fake, that makes it much harder to reconcile the fact that Pam Blondi told them it was on her desk and now suddenly it doesn't exist. And they have to wonder why.

Exactly! Remember, he goes by the idea that if you repeat the lie enough times, it becomes the truth. So if he keeps saying the Democrats wrote the list, if/when it comes out, they'll believe that the Democrats put him on the list out of spite and malice.

And they are VERY frustrated at the idea that their "lock 'em up" fantasy about Clinton and whoever else they thought was on that list will now never happen. Don't underestimate that disappointment.

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Wilful ignorance is not an excuse in the event of prosecution. Guilt by association will get to life.

Guilt by association will get you life, not, to life.

I wish we could get French on BlieSky. We need more sane conservatives.

They are stupid and ignorant, unable to use logic and reasoning, therefore; they operate on feelings. Imagine that you don’t know truth from lies. Trump appears very loud, strong and confident. Biden appeared soft spoken, weak and unconvincing. Maybe Pritzker could win. Loud, strong, confident.

I think so too. It’s visceral. Plus Pritz is a billionaire and people equate that with goodness. They seem to idolize the bad guys from Monopoly. The ones that want to send your kids into the mines. Give Pritz a monocle and see what happens.

I'd prefer him over Newsome.

...and kind-hearted, smart, able and capable. Now we just need him to be willing. Pritzker 2028?

These are the same rubes who think “The lard done send him from heaven to save us poor white people. He’s god’s gift I tell ya.”

They knew. Didn't care. That's why I'm baffled those people are in his comments asking for the truth when they know he's multi-failure in business, and a loser saying grab women by their pussies bc they cant/wont say anything. Epstein was raided before and got off, Donald was there then. They dgaf.

Eventually there has to be a line in the sand. Unfortunately, the Germans who supported the Nazi party didn’t see the line until German cities were bombed out of existence. I didn’t think Epstein was the line b/c I presumed that they knew. I thought the line was when they all got pink slips.

Don't you remember about David pecker who testified at the first Trump trial saying how he would buy all the bad stories about Trump and then kill them to protect Trump's reputation. He was paid for this service.

And Pecker was under oath !

These folks willingly choose to consume only this propaganda and trash/disparage all other sources of information not from Trump. I don't let them off the hook for "not knowing".

This confirms my fear about America - that we will never come out of these years while our news distribution feeds propaganda into the bloodstream of a lot of Americans and there is no way to reach them with any truth and besides, they've been conditioned to accept "Truth" is what Trump says it is.

They must be totally asleep!

They fucking knew. They called it fake. They said he went on the plane and hung out with Epstein because he was trying to topple the deep state pedophile ring. They fucking knew. I lost my brother to the Qanon bullshit and they are insane.

I’m sorry about your brother. Is he still under the Qanon cult?

He hasn’t talked much about it since nothing they said would happen in the first term happened. But all through the election he would give me the talking points of trumps about Russia not being so bad, macron and carney doing coke, all the fringe shit. I haven’t talked with him recently.

Hey I've done coke before. Never raped any children tho.

Jesus christ I didn’t know that. So basically they think the list is full of Democrats?

Yes. They dead ass thought JFK Jr was not dead and was coming back to work with trump to destroy the evil deep state Democrat pedophile ring. They honestly believe that democrats eat babies and there’s an evil kabal of cannibals eating babies alive for their adrenochrome. Because they’re CRAZY.

Those were the J6 insurrectionists. They believed that day would end with trump back in power with his team of swamp drainers and he was going to throw all the democrats in jail. Even though he hadn’t done it for the last four years. He uses the easily fooled. His team knows how to play them.

Also make sure to search Epstein and Trump on your favorite news feeds. Just to keep it up top.

you'd think the video's , photo's and passenger documents would be a hint..

Yup. People definitely don't realize that people who only use FOX for their "news"--have no idea about most of the facts about DT. Only that he's Dear Leader and fearless, but also a victim of the Deep State trying to hurt him.

Propaganda works, particularly on sworn cult members.

One guy actually thought the audio/video of Trump bragging about being allowed inside the underaged girls dressing room while they were changing at Miss Teen USA was produced by AI… which didn’t exist when he was recorded 🤦‍♂️

This is the real sad thing about any of this ever actually getting released. If it does and dear leader is all over the thing, there will be a MASSIVE push to accuse Dems of manipulating it with AI I also think they’re desperately trying to figure out how to edit dude out using AI as we speak

Would put it past them to try and erase him from all of this

* wouldn't

They are frantically working on their scripts and talking points now

They can’t erase his basic personality traits, which should show everyone that he is a sadistic liar.

But he’s a sadistic liar who validates their prejudices and that’s all they care about

A part of his male followers probably even like what he said and wish to be able to do the same

I don’t doubt it

They don't care to know about Trump. They blindly believe the lies.

This. Since they think of him as a god, they react to everything as if he is god, even when faced with the truth. They can easily dismiss what they don't like. Ignore the bad and praise him for the good (which isn't really good, but they're conditioned to go with what the herd thinks is good.)

The “King David” defense…horribly flawed person “chosen” to be leader. The brainwashing is only broken when cognitive dissonance is introduced and that seems to be different for each person. Some have had the moment, others will double down. We’ll have to see

I don't think it will be so easy for them this time. Remember, QAnon's core belief is that Trump is a superhero rescuing children from pedophiles. Now they're suffering a serious case of cognitive dissonance. If he's the hero of abused kids, why does he want everyone to forget this story?

But sure, go on. Deny all the evidence that the MAGA faithful are angry about this. Keep telling yourself it's hopeless because they'll never believe anything bad about him. Despite the evidence of your eyes and ears that says they're having a crisis of faith.

Some, sure. Some will peel away from the cult. Many will stay. They will double down. This has been their identity for the past decade. If Maxwell walks on promise of silence, then the whole thing blows over as yet another 'Dem hoax'. So, no, I'm not dancing in the streets just yet.

Mama said you can't fix stupid. 🤪

but there are videos of them standing and partying together .. he's literally said that he is good friends with him, he admits that he knows jeff loved his girls a little bit on the young side ... jesus fucking christ these people truly are idiots

As far as the pics and videos of trump with Epstein, when posted, I've seen magas argue with the poster claiming they are fake and trump would never have hung around Epstein. Blows my mind.

list level of delusion

Wow. I don't know where to even begin with this.

Not trying to justify, but they have been systematically programmed to think and understand the rhetoric as fact from the Internet, TV, and radio. For the base, he says the childish, and mean things they want to hear, constantly. #DestroyUnityPeaceandLove #FedThemHate

Control the narrative, control the people.

How can even maggots not know that diaper boy was often a passenger on Pedophile Airlines?

They have to commit to not believing it because it makes them bad people if they knew

You’re making Torpid Taco so unhappy. Keep it up! 👍🏻

What are we supposed to reply , “Yes, daddy?” He is screaming I’m guilty and you ain’t got no rights to question me? The Supreme Court said if a president does it, it’s not a crime. Only Justice System we got is Justice for the richest of our society! 🤷🏽‍♀️

That was a really good editorial by French. Points out that their whole mindset is based on imaginary facts, and this might be the one thing that brings the whole house of cards down.

What's their excuse for not knowing?

I sure hope the genie is out of the bottle on this one. I don’t think the Fux News engine be able to contain the information at this point.

I am in just as much shock. They really didn’t know?

They live in a closed loop of carefully controlled propaganda. These are not high IQ scholars and researchers we’re talking about here…

And the women don't like being called a Drusilla.... 😂

Terrible message being delivered by incredibly inept messengers . Schumer??!!?! Jeffries???!!!?? Need to do better than what they offer.

Conservatives are more stupid than you know.

Stupid, eh, maybe? But, I think they have no discernment, therefore rendering themselves to be gullible. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Oh.. we know.

There’s no such thing as a maga conservative. But yes, they’re also very stupid.

Maybe, but most of his supporters are not actually conservative. They are certainly not conservative in the sense of free market, small government, respect for liberties, no master plans kind of conservative. These are generally radical right-wingers committed to a fundamental reworking of society.

Sorry you're wrong in this. Many know and just don't care. You think they're upset he's holding back the list cause you think they want justice or to save trafficking victims? Really? They wanted a list of people that deserve to die cause they want to hurt people and feel like heroes for it.

They also dismiss any information to the contrary. So. There's that.

I don't think they are this time.

🤞

denial pure and simple...

📌

Magats are still howling for the list to be released because they really believe it's all democrats. I don't care what their political affiliation is. We The People have the right to know who's representing us regardless of party. Epstein's phone book IS available on line...

💯💯💯💯

There has always been an inverse relationship between knowledge of the MN (malignant narcissist) and support for the MN. Back in 2016 a former friend (now passed away) mentioned his support for the MN. I asked him if the tape of MN admitting to sexual assault mattered. "What tape?" he asked.

"You can lead a horse to water....'

"The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump"

And that is the essence of a CULT. Not enough investgative reporting on cults, cult members,and cult leaders.

Sorry but I don’t believe for one damn minute they didn’t know. When I told my maga neighbor he was voting for a rapist, he said only in civil court.

A rapist in civil court is also a rapist in criminal court. The only difference is the punishment outcome

The burden of proof is lighter in civil court, but once a civil judgment is final, the defendant has to pay the damages.

I have mixed feelings if they knew or not. During the election I did canvasing/outreach to potential Trump voters. My sense was they got the shinny version presented to them by their sources of media. I think that's why we saw bored rally goers. They hadn't actually watched the man talk before.

You should have said pedophile.

Thats a boof

I also had someone say that to me. I said “either way, he’s a convicted rapist. You’re making excuses for an actual rapist.”

My next protest sign is going to say, you voted for a rapist so don’t talk about morals !

Nailed it

Not really. The E. Jean Carroll case was easy for them to dismiss because she's an adult woman, and they dismiss all rape accusations by women out of hand as "he said, she said." But children? Not so easy. Remember, QAnon is all about Hero Trump saving kids from pedophiles.

Are you arguing with people who agree he’s a convicted rapist? What’s the point in responding this way?

I think this is really causing a moral crisis for MAGA. They can talk themselves into believing Trump never raped a grown woman. A child? Not so much. And if he wants child rapists to get justice, why tell everyone to forget the list?

Pedophile rapist!

Agree. Hoping not to be too New Age-y what’s happening in this country is old Karma payback— we’re paying the price. I lived in “progressive” NYC and there are many, many racist bigots living there— Staten Island is all Trump. It sickens me. They are PROUD racists.

I personally think new age is old wisdom 😉

Most trump supporters are rapists/sympathizers.

You're confusing the Jean Carroll rape which they don't care about, with the Epstein connection that they've been brainwashed to think only involves Dems, Hollywood, Qanon shit. The Epstein connection is 100% projection- something MAGA swallows hook, line, and sinker every time.

I’m not confusing it because it’s all related.

Of course they know!!

But they don’t seem to care because he’s gonna bring down inflation or save the world or send all the immigrants home or make them all rich on crypto

As they wait in the unemployment line or are deported to another country.

Or hurt someone they dislike more than he hurts them.

They don't care. It's not about inflation or immigrants or any of that. They would cut off their arms if he told them it would own the libs.

They don't care what he does as long as he hurts the people they hate. He can even hurt them if he also hurts the people they hate.

Sometimes I wonder if they’re just looking for an out, and they chose this. Because it was right in front of their eyes the whole time! Why now, are they questioning his involvement?

Of course they knew, but he was attacking others & they were allowed to be able to bring out the hatred they have inside of themselves. He give them permission to be rude, nasty, gross racist, homophobic, xenophobic, deplorable & more. He said you can hate said can express hate & he got their vote.

There are folks in town with "I'm voting for the convicted felon" bumper stickers.

You should have asked him how he’d feel if someone shoved their fingers up his ass without his consent. Would he vote for that person?

Oooh that’s for next time I see him. 😉

that's a different scandal to the epstein stuff though.

It’s all related. He’s a con man, a felon, rapist and pedophile. It’s not like we’ll be only did this so it’s ok. It shows he has absolutely no boundaries.

Holy hell. Install more security cameras.

You betcha !

Mine told me all the charges against him were manufactured. She only watches Fox News.

Ugh

They know. But they believe the democrats do the same things

Gross. Truthfully I'm sure theres all kinds of issues up there. We just gotta hold these fools accountable Also, we need more job quals for these people.

We need more candidates like Mamdani . Voters are exhausted and don’t know who to trust. Hopefully we see better choices in 2026. The democrats have not provided resistance . They just write « strongly worded letters » We are starved for leadership

Agreed

This is what happens when MAGA lives under a bubble of Trump's own making of lies. Now they are just finding out one of those MANY LIES. And his base is prone to violence, which Trump fostered …

Yes, this is the absolute truth. FOX serves up splices of his speech to make him look competent and lies about what he says.

Thank you, and then sue CBS for editing Kamala.

The fact that they just didn't know is the only revelation here.

It’s truly insane. There are 100 pictures of them together. How could they possibly not know.

They just do not consume the same information sources you and I do. Some don’t read, watch or listen to news at all; they get their info on FB or Insta or NextDoor.

And sadly Fox News which is all lies and propaganda.

The same can be said about democratic voters unfortunately.

Can you give just one example of this being the case? Just one. I don’t think you can.

Rest of the world here: Your whole political thing on both sides is a twisted circus of flag waving,God bothering, hyper capitalist, cult like weirdness. And this was way before Trump. The money you spend on one election could feed the world's hungry. It's not normal at all lads. It's really not.

us usa

No shit lol

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People idolize Obama even though he had a super majority and could have passed anything he wanted. Not only did he not do simple things like a living wage, abortion rights, housing cost reform, get money out of politics, single payer health care etc. Instead he did a Republican healthcare plan.

I’ve never seen an Obama boat parade, have you? Not the same. At all.

Not to mention that Obama isn’t a lifelong criminal and pedophile for whom democratic voters endlessly make excuses for, worship like a god, and think is “the only man alive who can save us” so I don’t think your “both sides” argument has any juice.

For whom democratic voters endlessly make excuses* ffs

Yes it is. Just because one is more of a scumbag doesn't erase everything else. You are doing apologetics here.

You are doing false equivalencies here.

And someone that does dishonest apologetics isn't worth anyone's time. This kind of bullshit, not holding the dnc accountable for their actions and inactions is why we are where we are.

Not at all. You aren't being honest.

The commenter you're responding to definitely doesn't know the difference between approval, respect, and worship. I do admire the effort, though.

They worship him. They make every possible excuse they can to twist reality to somehow make him, and the dnc itself, to not just be the good guy but the solution. They are part of the problem. They demonstrate over and over they don't care, they would rather have trump than sanders for example.

I've seen the idealizations online. It's not perfectly comparable but idolizing is idolizing. Democratic voters make excuses for their party, I'm a socialist, to the point of insanity. It's just the same as the maga cult, nothing can be their fault.

this deserves an award for dumbest both-sides shit

One party is far right. The other is center right mostly, a tiny tiny bit social center left. Both parties are verifiably financially corrupt. The DNC doesn't get things done even with a super majority (under Obama). Yes both parties are bad for the American people in general

and a trophy for ignorance of how us lawmaking works - "simple things" LOLOLOLOL

In the grand scheme of things yes those are simple. A living wage is calculable, housing is easily fixed. Single payer we can take a solid model, most countries in the world do it, and attempt to improve it. Publicly funded elections exist, we can add in rank choice voting.

In the grand scheme of things you're a clown

You're just a pathetic troll. No one does or should care about you, or your opinion.

to be more clear – to stand there in july of 2025 and pretend republicans and dems are the same, you need to be a complete idiot

If only more people googled himself and father’s civil rights court cases from the 70’s we wouldn’t be in this mess. Housing discrimination cases! It’s who he is! 🤷‍♂️

The base is a bunch of people who do not think for themselves. It’s utterly incredible. 😠

They're going to know now. We're going to drive it into their soft brains like a spike with a hammer

If the Dems don't cease on this rare gift package wrapped up with a bow, there truly is no hope. They should hammer the Epstein case. This was supposed to be the cult's slam dunk against the elites. I want Dems to be a$$holes about it. Stop pussy-footing around. Those days are long gone.

We need to start calling them the Epstein party. I call trump Ep-Stain. Never let up. Don’t let them change the narrative.

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Trumpstein Files

Seize. Cease means stop, you don’t want them to do that.

I love Seizer salad 😋

Exactly. They must seize on it and keep hammering. Many MAGAs are experiencing serious cognitive dissonance they are having a tough time resolving. This is the moment.

Well said.

I call BS on this. They know he's a felon and they know he's a rapist. They know about the Access Hollywood tape. Because even if they think it's "fake news", the only way you missed those stories was if you had zero contact with the world. They knew, but they CHOSE to ignore it.

They make excuses for him again and again and again and …..,

They know. They just don't care. As long as it's Trump. Anyone else, it's the end of the world and you hear about it for years.

Well shoot... that's not a cult 🙄🤦

As the only Trumper in my life says when I bring up a counter-factual while discussing the divine narrative: “Where did you hear that?”

They don’t tend to be the most educated cult

Fox News will destroy this country to serve the GOP, ... So they can rule over the ashes.

You keep missing the point-he feeds their hate and that is the only thing that matters.

Problem I have with this is in earlier years when my MAGA family told me things I looked it up. Did a little research to find actual DATA. I don’t blindly hate anyone. In his case it’s well deserved. Had my MAGA family done the same on their end they wouldn’t have been drinking rancid Koolaid.

The truth about the sexual predator tRump is being removed from the internet!

Too many people accept bits of info without looking up the overall stats (data)

It’s very sad. I just can’t go through life that misinformed.

If they are ignorant of who Trump is, they are willfully so. They kinda WANT to be conned, because the conman is telling them what they wanted to hear all along.

I agree. What doesn’t make sense is they are educated people. They do live in a southern red state which is part of it. I left after HS. I always knew I was different & cringed at every racist remark I heard. My mom wasn’t racist so we were raised right. But everyone around us def were. It’s sad.

I see it at work. Some people can be educated and intelligent but totally ignorant when it comes to politics or government. One girl made a comment that it’s good they are rounding up all the criminal immigrants. I said yeah, we don’t need no food. Fuck a bunch of food. Then I laughed.

😂 I’m going to use this if it’s ok. Just bc it’s hilarious. I don’t think MAGA will understand why. Which makes it MORE funny!

Use it all you want! And no, it went right over her head…

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I was debating about what’s going on with a very successful 40 yr old guy who is barely a friend these days. After he was contrarian to everything I said he admitted “I don’t read the news. I don’t really know what’s going on.” I wanted to scream.

Yes, it’s crazy. You don’t need a permit to own a gun or vote. Look where we are at.

Even though we are living it, it makes zero sense.

OMG why do they fight it when they KNOW they have no idea what he was talking about? Sheesh!

arrogant entitled white male who looks at headlines and listens to the other white guys at the golf club ….so he thinks he can debate me over the actual end of democracy with a holocaust underway. It’s insulting. It’s also Dunning Kruger. Since he’s successful he thinks his opinions matter.

Men like that always do. I read an interesting book a while back called “The Confidence Code”. By Katty Kay & Claire Shipmen. It talks about why men have overblown confidence. Ex: Men will apply for a job with little experience while women won’t apply if they aren’t experienced in every aspect.

this is great! thanks

It’s a quick read but you’ll never forget it!

Privilege often comes with a compulsion to defend the status quo... even if you have no idea what it is.

And at that point you have to ask, is it because you’re a woman? That plays into it as well.

Guaranteed, but don’t we always factor that in subconsciously or explicitly?

I’m 20 yrs his senior and he respects me i know that. he does ask me questions. But one night he was interrupting me to the point that I put my finger to my lips and said “Shush!” 😆 Like a school marm! But he was loud and talking over me so yeah doubt he’d do that if I had balls.

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don’t waste my time if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Ask questions instead. Maybe you’ll learn something. (not you mimi 🤗) The mo ied whites I know who are clueless.

I know it’s not me. I’m you in this scenario! 😁

There’s ignorance, and then there’s willful ignorance. We can discuss the former.

Oh for fuck’s sake., who can be that oblivious, except willfully?

Also, this is an easy out for those who changing their minds. "I didn't know!" will be the rallying cry they hide behind as they see which way the wind blows, but deep in their vile shriveled hearts, They Fucking Knew.

Absolutely one hundred percent correct.

MAGA podcasters, many would say for clicks$, purposedly or not, ignored videos & clues in reports & news, the lead actor Epstein & Trump in supporting role. When & if the truth comes out, will MAGA survive?🤣

They truly are dumb effs.

They know, George. That's why women are so badly treated in this country. They know, and they think it's alright. That's why, too, so few rape trials end in convictions and why so few rape kits are actually processed. The Republicans think that women are paid accessories. Like quads or motorboats.

Thank you for seeing us.

Exactly.

How could they not know

Anything they have heard they took as “fake news going after dear leader.” Trump spoke about everything in his rallies, demonizing anyone reporting or speaking the truth and MAGA heard what they wanted to hear.

Fox doesn’t tell them everything and then lies about the rest

What is mindblowing to me is that they don't care that he is a rapist and a pedo and yet that's their biggest argument currently against the LGBTQIA+ community who, incidentally, has the absolute lowest statistics as threats.

I think they don't care if he raped adult women. I don't think they don't care if he raped children.

Among that group if you’re in the group you’re a good man. You’re not a pedo even if you rape kids. You’re not a rapist if you rape women. You’re a good man. Then there’s everyone else, they’re not raping kids but they are pedos because they’re not in the group.

Thats how they try to put up their argument every time. Then say Democrats planted all the pedo pictures and files

They believe that any ugly thing he's done is just lies meant to take a good man down.

And does Dem leadership flood the media with all of these facts via TV billboards etc? Nooo they just say they are disappointed when interviewed....They have no idea how to fight fire with fire

Yep. Quite disappointing.

This!! 👆

You would think they’d learned their lesson about trusting religious leaders when it comes to reporting sex crimes.

Fairly good story of how a prior Republican changed. Magas inherently think fact checkers are biased until they learn to do their own research.... Intesesting story if true. substack.com/@demwinsmedi...

and still to this day, most MAGA will swear that Trump is a brilliant businessman and negotiator, despite his business history being filled with bankruptcies and failed business ventures.

and settlements lawsuits and sexual assault charges

But The Apprentice was so real…

That’s what’s wrong with the MAGAs….they believe reality shows are real. I enjoy watching them, but they’re created for ratings. The verb…created. Even the “board room.” IMO, that’s how he got elected. Even his “smart businessman” facade was created. Just a dumb bully cheat.

Most of them never watched The Apprentice. It's sources like Fox, NewsMax, even Google. Did you know search engines give them different results?

They still think The Apprentice was all real.

Ask MAGA how many books they have read or whether they watch news other than FOX or crazy rabbit hole nut jobs.

Well there is OAN and Newsmax which are also very neutral… I have seen the stuff that The Heritage Foundation, Judiciary Watch, Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA, AMAC, etc send, and send relentlessly, and Trump is their Savior, and I don’t think Democrats have any idea how to counter it.

The establishment Democrats don't know how. You know about the Fighting Oligarchy Tour that Bernie and AOC did this year? They spent most of their time in red districts, yet their events were packed. They talked about topics like oligarchy, corporate lobbying, and Medicare for all.

They did one in Idaho, where I am familiar with the people and culture. Trump won Idaho by 36 points. Most of it is so conservative, I can't even explain. The arena they used was full to capacity. It would be hard to find that many Progressives in the entire state. Those were former Trump voters.

“He doesn’t even take a salary!” These people can’t grasp large numbers. 400k is a rounding error compared to what he’s made since he’s been in office. It’s like $40 to him.

I know - just in his 1st term, he reported $1.7 billion in income over the four years. Look at those 4 years & compare to his income from 2012-2016 & his income was vastly more as president. And, that doesn't count increased revenue for the Trump Org from golf/green's fees, inflated rates, etc

I wrote this about why MAGA is impervious to the truth old.reddit.com/r/cognitives...

It's Dumbfuckistan.

Too stupid for democracy

WTF with the conservative obsession with running government like a business. Business' goal is to make a profit. Government is to keep the country safe, economy running, and to keep businesses from killing people while making money. Perverse brainwashing convinced R's government needs businessmen.

It's also worth noting that the *kind* of business Trump ran, inherited and private, is absolutely nothing like the ones "government like a business" people point to. The Trump Organization's national equivalent is North Korea!

Also, Trump wrecked every business he attempted. The moron bankrupted a casino!

Fox "News" will repeat it, too.

Or the fact he loves the working man after all the companies he refused to pay that built his properties, or says he loves unions when the truth is he hates them since they fight for a living wage for their members.

This is how cult leaders keep control of their cultists.

I had a MAGA fan tell me he had never heard of trump's bone spurs.

The total sum of what they don’t know can fill up the solar system. They live in an alternate reality constructed for them by FOX, Newsmax and right wing media. They just happened to stumble upon this Epstein list and it may well be the door that opens the floodgates.

Why aren't these people whose Twitter posts you screenshot posting on Bluesky?

That’s why there can’t be any fucking “reunion” Cut that cancer out of public office and let humanity move on #gop

MAGA ignorance is staggering, but it's left far behind by their lack of morality and ethics. After all, even if some MAGA voters could plausibly deny knowledge of Trump's sexual assaults, fraud convictions, and grifts, his sycophants can't.

Because morality and ethics are driven by responsible intelligence, not ignorance and greed.

I studied Nazi German propaganda as part of my high school history curriculum. The comment that has always stayed with me was a German who likened German news as having tunnel vision. There was the propaganda news and there was nothing else. This is what is happening in the USA & elsewhere now.

And social media is accelerating it. Grandpa who wants to see pics of grandkids has no idea he's being fed exactly what zuck wants him to see. Cambridge analytica highly influenced us and UK elections. Just oops, we shouldn't have given them all our data from zuck.

Yes! That’s why I have written off any of Zucks products. I wish more would do the same

But there are other news options - MAGAts are making a choice.

Not enough. I see rumbles but no torrents to news alternatives to FuxNews eg.

Yes, exactly. Until today every German immediately understands the phrase "if only the Fuhrer knew" as what it is: The tendency among Germans in that dark time to shield Hitler from everything they wouldn't agree with by implying he just wouldn't know abt it.

I was not aware of this POV. How very interesting.

God destroyed the Roman’s because of their debauchery, God destroyed England because of their debauchery, trump is only Gods instrument to destroy us for the same reason.

I'm curious as to how many are using the Epstien files as non-cowardly out from the maga movement? Some have become disheartened by 2.0 in various ways and this may be the united front they might use to not openly admit they may have regretted their vote.

Trump is the anti- Christ and they know it. They think he'll trigger the next coming of Christ like the Bible says and trigger the rapture. Religion is the true cult.

But more maga keeps saying if Jesus shows up, he better have his papers and be documented.

Think of all the stories the National Enquirer quashed 👀 Roy Cohen would be proud long live the King 👑

I believe that they do indeed know his character deficiencies and choose to compartmentalize them, so they can advance their own racist agendas and others agree, therefore they side with evil, for their own benefit. They shut the door on the constitution, because the president ain't using it.

It’s hard to believe they didn’t know, but the phrase,”fake news” is apparently very powerful.

The MAGATs I know say, “they all do it. Bill Clinton was also on the plane.” Except this line of argument ignores the fact that Clinton has been out of office for 25 years and is a non-factor at present while Orange Turd is the current occupant of the WH.

I think that this will bring down plenty of people on both sides if the aisle on both sides of the Atlantic. I don’t see why enthusiasm for one party or politician can be any bar to their prosecution if this is what they’ve been up to.

it's why they wanted the investigation. Looking for only guilty Dems, Clinton, Hunter, celebrities etc

I have heard "they all do it" so many times

As if that excuses anything much less voting for another one.

My argument to them is if Trump or anyone did this to children they all belong in prison. I don’t care if they’re democrat or republican millionaire /billionaire are hiding their identities from being exposed. Trump is protecting himself. He also using this as leverage over them to do his bidding.

Yup... We knew Bill was a womanizer, but, if it came out that Clinton was a pedo, Dems would drop him like a hot potato.

Yep, it didn’t bother me that he was having an affair. It’s the fact he lied about it. Bill was Impeached for perjury to grand jury and obstruction of justice. Trump was impeached by Congress abuse of power in 2019. Oh have times changed. Now the abuse of power goes unchecked by congress.

It's the same as if a prominent surgeon was a known cheater, it would not affect his ability to perform a heart transplant.

Then they just accuse you of being as dishonest as themselves. The idea that some people genuinely believe in accountability regardless of someone's wealth or status makes their brains crash.

Exactly. The whataboutism with Cult 45 is nauseating.

The worst part about the "they all do it" argument is "but those guys are the real evil" that comes with it. We dont just live in a two-tiered justice system, but a two-tiered morality system.

You are right about the MAGA “they all do it” excuse! I witnessed first hand in 2016 with a baseball parents group. As tRUmp announced his 2016 candidacy, I told them he was the cause of several friends’ losing contracting businesses b/c he’d pay 1/3 & stiff them for the rest. Lawsuits ruined them.

Magas are morons. #ItsaCult

It’s because they enjoy rubbing someone else nose into the crap You’d have to have this guy go live on TV in an obscene way But until then The golden calf lovers still love this pure sinner He’s pure Gold in awfulness to shed their sins off on him forever

I heard that maga thinks king dingus was undercover and was going to expose the deep state as a secret pedo agent man!

Hmmmm, better watch out, Ghislaine may have an unfortunate accident.

And so clearly, they are too stupid to live.

They have been told that everything except the “trusted news sources” is fake so they don’t know diddly. These aren’t curious, open-minded people. The kind who do any research or fact checking. They want a leader like themselves.

Riiight. Like the Germans didn’t know what was happening in those camps next door.

@davidfrenchjag.bsky.social's column is ... enlightening for those of us who ... oh, I don't know ....

Um ... yeah. bsky.app/profile/beve...

Thank you.

Some ignorance is willful.

I just came across someone yesterday who was not aware he was convicted of 34 felonies.

They must have been living under a rock all these years!

I had a similar experience last year. I was arguing with a maga about how could they possibly support someone who had been convicted of 34 felonies and that person really thought I made it up.

Or, in my case, they argued that it was illegally moved to federal court when it should have been tried in the state. Then it would only be a misdemeanor.

They don't know about him because they watch the Fox propaganda network

Faux News probably avoided the whole story. And we know that is all Trumpers watch along with maybe Newsmax and OAN.

maga are masters at denial