soooo this is going to be a post that makes absolutely everyone unhappy: black bloc is a part of diversity of tactics handknit pussy hats are part of a diversity of tactics voting is a part of diversity of tactics
soooo this is going to be a post that makes absolutely everyone unhappy: black bloc is a part of diversity of tactics handknit pussy hats are part of a diversity of tactics voting is a part of diversity of tactics
What I as a trans woman wouldn’t give for those dumb pussy hats rn
only people with immature brains
You lied, this doesn’t make me unhappy.
So cringe is back? I specialize in cringe with ADHD. This is very neurodivergent friendly at least
'Black bloc' antifascists innovated the most direct, non-violent protections from violent attacks on gay bars and pride events. The same people brought mutual aid and medics to protests when the police department was refusing to transfer 911 calls to the fire department for emergency response.
LOL those weren't black bloc.
It was many of the same people, just not always dressed in black with face-coverings.
It was mostly Black and other POC trans people who protected gay bars and gathering places. They weren't nonviolent either. Unless you think throwing bottles at cops is nonviolent. (It is self-defense though for sure.)
Where I live it was people who were the earliest 'antifa' organizers, we are all races and genders. Our strategies didn't include identifiable clothes like all black, that whole thing came later, but many of the same folks.
I can't say I'm at all unhappy with this!
bloc-type stuff is necessary as a disavowable force
If you believe that the US is a fascist state in the making, you will need to hit it on all fronts at all times to break it. It will break. They all do. It's just that we can't know what causes it or when it happens. Only thing for sure is they will ruin more lives before it's done.
So you've gone from making these demonstrations safe to black bloc is part of a diversity of tactics. Not really along following here. Black bloc is part of embarrassing tactics, nothing more, nothing less.
Dang, just realized of all the posts i made no one bothered to respond to this one. Wonder why Anyways, I really was interested in hearing what @sarahjeong.bsky.social had to say, not anarchists. Anarchists please block me.
I feel like I’ve missed a class on terms or something this week… can anyone tell me what "black bloc" is?
TL,DR: its dressing up in black, covering your face, etc. to conceal your identity from cops. This is a brutally simplified explanation but I think its a good summary.
I thought the main lesson last year was to cover your face and not share photos of protests with people’s faces? 🤣 I guess the intent is different, right? Covering your face for anonymity vs covering your face because you intend to commit violence…? Right?
Yes, it’s a tactic thru history it’s been used as a way to put a bloc of bodies between the cops and more vulnerable people at protests and some times for planned civil disobedience actions. And then individuals sometimes use it for property destruction.
The problem is that black bloc is associated with extremists who are more interested in violence and fomenting anarchy than in productive, non-violent protest.
Black bloc did not work with other people. A protest on the World Bank with people from all over would be totalky derailed. People would fly thousands of miles to talk about shit the World Bank did and were unable to be heard. All attention went to Black Bloc.
[*totally*]--and the protest was from those people, for those people--they knew shit, they were in the shit, they needed to be heard. They were not 'liberals', they had done many actions.
Black blocks are police infiltrators within the protests to justify an aggressive response, nothing else. Many videos and other evidences proved it already in the past
I’d love pragmatic diverse reaction and I’m left as they come but that’s what they’re. There are past evidences of them been caught being beaten by their colleagues and showing police ID to get out of it and acting as agent agitateur to trigger violent response from those of them in uniform (ACAB)
Count me happy. None of us are just one thing. Our collective voice will also not be just one thing. Truth.
Correct, they’re part of the movement against fascism. Libs, they’re on your side.
what about shitposting
When we are fighting a war, we should use every weapon we have in our arsenal
You're absolutely right. Also, people telling other people the right and wrong way to protest are almost always people who aren't doing it at all.
what?
Voting matters most.
It doesn't make *me* unhappy. Any serious progressive movement is going to have a lot of political and cultural diversity in it. This used to be more part of the left culture than it is, probably because the left has been in a bad way.
Nope, it doesn't make me unhappy. As someone who has been ardently pro-bloc, this is *exactly* what "diversity of tactics" means. We can certainly argue over effectiveness of tactics, but hopefully that is with an underlying support of anyone who is doing *something*.
I'm begging this thread to be discussed on the generalstrikeus.com discord
Nope this makes sense to me. It all works together.
agree
yeah, diversity of tactics goes both ways, and your smarter mischief-makers will stay far away from the main protest where all the cops are
My 70-something aunt knitting and sending me a pink pussy hat in 2016 meant so much to me. I don't care if the kids think it's cringe, she grew up in a time where that would have been scandalous and I grew up seeing the vagina monologues banned because "vagina" was a dirty word.
Hardly. Black bloc gets things done in real life Handknit pussy hats are for parades Voting is choosing your oppressor.
Show me where black bloc has succeeded. Show me one demand they have made that worked due to them smashing windows. If they ACTUALLY want real change, stop aiming at stuff and aim at *fill in the blank* instead.
in the UK in 2024 some protestors climbed on top of a lockheed factory and broke the roof open and sprayed red paint and spray foam and other contaminants into clean rooms that make parts for the F-35 foghter jet Isreal uses to bomb the Palestinians they did millions in damage in less than an hour
Nice
www.thecanary.co/uk/news/2024... if you watch the videos, it looks like they didnt accomplish much, but those are clean rooms they breached, and the contamination they did is super hard to clean up. i'd be surprised if they are running production again in those rooms today, now 6 months on
Oh, and for everyone who has condescendingly posted anything about “grannies”: They started protesting when women couldn’t even open a bank account without a male co-signer, or get birth control without their husbands consent. Give them their due respect. They got us so far!
What's the difference between different tactics and a diversity of tactics?
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If your coalition doesn’t contain people who piss you the fuck off, it’s too small to be useful.
This should be a t-shirt
Ok, that merits a follow.
People need to learn how to ignore each other in community better.
Too many people insist on purity in their candidates and their fellow voters.
eh there no excuse for capitulation or moderation the bad guys don't and they're running things just fine. We can assume resistance.
You misspelled "ruining."
nachrally
Winning elections is a far more effective tactic than knitting pussy hats.
But the pussy hats got people involved to canvas in purple districts, leading to votes. Virtuous circle, baby!
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Police violence is the #1 source of violence in protests Preventing police violence is the most effective way to keep protest peaceful.
@sarahjeong.bsky.social This is true. But it's also true that these days black bloc is often infiltrated by counter protestors and cops.
I’ve seen the Black Bloc in action in Paris twice. They bombed a store in the first. In the second they pissed odd the gendarmes who tear-gassed the group and the marchers imand bystanders including me. Screw that as tactics.
Seems you are missing the point. We will never win if we don’t let everyone protest as they wish
Don’t fuck up a peaceful event with vandalism. Smashing things is counterproductive. Like those idiots throwing soup on paintings in Europe. No one would see that vandalism and think they should change their position on global warming.
You do what you want Leave others to do what they want
It makes ME happy. You're right and you should say it.
Yeah, I’m on board with this one, but I’ve got that gen-x I don’t matter shit down pat.
Could you explain your thoughts on black bloc more? If I missed an explanation, could you please share that post with me? My experience on black bloc is a bit different.
Throw EVERYTHING at the government at once. The more peaceful protests the more opportunities to commit crimes elsewhere while everyone is distracted allegedly. If you do something based no you didn't shut the fuck up.
In 99 Seattle protests against the WTO were all about diversity of tactics. Black bloc was used strategically to protect more vulnerable people in the march. As well for civil disobedience. Famously it was dubbed Teamsters and turtles march because unions and environmentalists marched together.
I think a lot of my fellow lefties get hung up on the "coolness". Not to say that's all they care about, but being rebellious is cool and sometimes we maybe lose sight that the GOAL is to get normies on board. If it doesn't hurt the cause, probably just let people be cringe.
Not only get them on board, make the ideas "normal." Normalization is the point.
Very astute observation.
It does sometimes hurt the cause tho, pussy hats were clearly not a good thing imho. But in general I agree (also works with baby queers having "weird new gender labels")
that's a goal, not the goal
Okay, man. Great pedantic correction.
It's an important distinction, there are other goals besides normie-seduction that some folks on your side might be more involved in.
What side do you think is mine?
well, you described yourself as a lefty 2 posts up
black bloc can be annoying because they're a small group who overwhelm a much larger style protest with their own tactics. their behavior is a reaction to ineffective protesting styles, but the outcome is annoying for most everyone else.
you cant win by being polite (which drives me nuts about these indivisible protests), but you also can't win by being a small minority being impolite and tone deaf.
I like his take and agree. Try everything, do everything, SOMETHING's gotta work.
Nothing Liberals do is a 'diversity of tactics' unless that term literally means opening the door to Fascism. I was warning of it when nobody wanted to listen fearful first of Bush & then ensorceled by Obomba. "Whatever you release into the world will return to you. This is karma." - Buddha.
Ooof this. Why is this so hard to understand? As a non-USian it boggles my mind that USians have such a hard time with this concept.
America has one of the most effective and pervasive systems of totalitarian propaganda in history. There is nowhere you are not drowning in it from cradle to grave. They teach kids a carefully manipulated version of history in school that includes "non-violent", ie completely passive, protesting ss
The only legitimate way to protest and casts any form of militancy, non violent or not, as a moral evil and a threat to the state which democrats paradoxically feel the need to defend. If you've ever read Foucalt's Disciple and Punish that's what is at work here. Liberals have been shaped in to a
Self policing arm of the state through propaganda and cultural indoctrination and even when they think they're opposing the state they continually reinforce and legitimize state power, acting as an arm of the state security forces. It's pretty swild tuff.
Having watched the Black Bloc in action over and over in Seattle, they were much more part of the problem than the solution. You'd have a thousand peaceful protesters and maybe 10 Black Bloc and guess who got the column inches?
The other problem is that opportunistic criminals would turn out when the Black Bloc turned up. So maybe the Black Bloc is graffitiing banks or something obviously anti-capitalist, but the opportunistic criminals are just smashing things and stealing.
Having been blocked by a defender of the Black Bloc. I will emphasize that the fear of public violence on the part of protesters is one of the great rationales of fascist crackdowns. The Trump administration is looking for excuses to invoke the Insurrection Act. They may do it anyway
but I don't see any reason to give them an excuse.
And by the way, I support a sit-down strike in the offices where the DOGies are showing up. I support rumbling with Musk's goons. But random street violence makes matters worse.
Many of the comments on this are truly disappointing.
Yes. The only useful definition of a diversity of tactics is one that means "even tactics I don't like".
Nope. I’m good with that. Multiple fronts should and must be launched against the common fucking enemy - and that is Trump, his administration, and every GD Republican who kisses that orange felon’s ass.
This post makes me happy. I can not stress to people enough that you should just KEEP WALKING if you see something that makes you uncomfortable or afraid. Also, the cops are *not* your friends but you will find that out for yourself eventually.
Diversity of tactics allows activists to stage prolonged struggle because the pressure has to be increased when demands are not met. Non-violence is still key. The black bloc protects and defends vulnerable protestors by putting themselves on frontlines. They will be needed in this fight. Respect!
Right, but in Portland they specifically provoke police to respond with violence and creates real disincentives for ‘cringe libs’ to show up, so I’m not sure how this works
The PPB are brutally racist and violent, with open neo-nazis in their midst. They don't need to be provoked as we saw abundantly during the George Floyd uprisings where the Portland police, on their own, significantly exhausted the US inventory of tear gas.
The "black bloc" (anarchists) that I see here in Olympia are always the ones spray painting businesses and public property and purposely trying to incite people. I wish they would stay home. I didn't see them yesterday, thankfully.
But "diversity of tactics" was always strategically stupid.
Also we give in before we start when we accede to the characterization of black bloc as "violence." At least back when I remember the heavy-ish protests in the early 00's, most of what the black bloc kids did was put their bodies between cops and more vulnerable people.
Libs who have only seen bloc in media propaganda on TV just don't know what really happens on the ground. They see bloc shoving cops but they don't see all the normal people that bloc is keeping the cops from beating the shit out of bc the news doesn't show that.
Yeah like, 75% of said "violence" is against... Inanimated objects... I saw a post in the quoted convo about breaking windows. Who fckin CARES??? Cops are injuring and killing HUMAN BEINGS??? But eh, as we say in France "Thoughts and prayers for the families of the windows 😔"
I just focus on showing up, calling my reps, voting, knitting my hats, and so forth. Being here. Making noise. Strategy is beyond my ken, and anyway, there’s no one key method that will magically fix everything.
Sure, the pussyhats were a part of "diversity of tactics." A dumb, silly, easy to mock tactic, that didn't do much to advance our goals and gave the right wing a gold mine of easy memes and made women look weak. Imagine if magas did a "knit dick hat" protest and you'll understand how dumb it was.
Black bloc doesn't mix with other tactics. They break a window, run and hide behind someone else who didn't want to be in a fight with cops.
It’s going to take everyone doing everything to stop this
This post and these threads made me the opposite of unhappy. :)
I could be wrong, but if black bloc's philosophy was as accelerationist as it seemed, they should be plenty happy now with the rapid US decline. Which could explain why they were invisible yesterday.
It's about direct confrontation with the state, not "acceleration". There was no one in bloc partially because it's been deprecated as a tactic in favor of a modern strategy of non-descript clothing that makes it harder to locate and neutralize the bloc (learned from Hong Kong) but mostly bc the
Left felt no need to participate in this for reasons I think we've made abundantly clear at this point. Also, a lot of people are in prison, injured, or traumatized after years of brutal repression by the US regime and that should be taken in to account.
People in bloc don’t show for things when they see folks working with cops, and language from many corners, particularly organizers, indicating that they and other protesters will happily work to get them arrested, or attacked as some sort of ‘outside agitators’.
Black bloc tactics would be inappropriate for a mass symbolic demonstration like yesterday's- (hopefully) that is why they were "invisible," the people who might otherwise use them did not. Black bloc is useful in situations where violence from police or the right is expected (e.g Charlottesville)
I saw people in bloc.
were they active in any way? \
No! But they were there. And I think that showing up and being peaceful is solidarity.
yes, I agree - so maybe "invisible" was the wrong word choice. "Inactive" or "non-provocative" maybe
You're right and you should say it. What did people think diversity of tactics meant?
We're at the point where a president has pardoned terrorists who attempted to assault congress and kill multiple people. We're not cool with the right anymore. They're trying an absolute takeover/autocratic breakthrough. No enemies on the left.
What do you think you’re doing Sarah, there’s no space here on Bluesky for reasonable points.
Some of those who knit pussy hats are black bloc now. And they would knit again
One assumes. There's a big punk DIY black bloc crossover
Yup. Sometimes I leave my phone at home. Other times I help grandmas stay hydrated.
Folks refusing to understand the difference between these two types of events has been making me insane all week. You do not need a faraday bag at an event organized by 65-year-old suburban women.
The police use fake cell phone towers to log who is at these events. And the feds can and will feed that Info in to a database for later analysis. They will go after every org, no matter how small, when they have the resources. You should always protect yourself at political actions.
I appreciate that perspective, but I think it's overkill for the boomer who is waving a sign saying "Dump Trump."
Think of it as the protection of a herd. A zebras stripes make it harder for a lion to pick out and take down one zebra among thousands. The less information the cops can gather on is, the harder it is for them to use network analysis to locate and neutralize leaders or infiltrate. If you can make
Their job harder with little effort or cost on your part it's usually worth doing.
Being arrested unjustly is also part of the arsenal of resistance. If you are Agnes, annual school bake sale organizer, 62, there's no need for you to hide your identity. Arresting you will be the end of the regime.
I can say from long experience that this is not the case. Between media propaganda and the sophisticated violence of the prison system they can and do hurt lots of nice old ladies and then the media convinces people that the violence was caused by anarchists and the protestors deserve it.
This might work ten, twenty times, but it won't work in the face of actual mass protest, because when you personally know Agnes it hits different. People are protesting in Tom Homan's ruby red rural town because he hit people they know.
i dont think we are in an era where arrests can help the protestors in any way.
I feel like a lot of people are looking for "this ONE simple trick!" that will make all this better. This is real life, friends, not a banner ad for diet pills. It's going to take time, will, focus, and the diversity of every and any type of resistance that we the people can create.
I find nothing wrong with this. I may find some types of protest exasperating, but they still push in the right direction. It may get to a point where we can't have disavowal of the "more extreme" methods of protest. That's where a lot of the friction lies. We're all pushing it forward or noone is.
Hell yeah
I had a conversation with a friend yesterday who said that protesting felt performative. I calmly explained the DoT model. Protesting is Practice You need MILLIONS of people to be skillful at coalescing quickly and ready to take action. The first actions need to be small and repeatable
What is the DoT model? The acronym does not lead to good search results.
For the sake of characters I shortened Diversity of Tactics (see original post) to an Acronym. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversi...
*facepalm* It was RIGHT there! lol
No worries, bub. Team work makes the dream work. :)
Yes. It's also networking. Protesting tells you about local allies and gets a lot more people mobilised into action groups. It's a fundamental, vital part of resistance, and people who decry it are a bit sus I think. What it isn't is action on its own, that comes next.
I'm not sure what's chicken and what's egg here, but I know there are studies that have found that movements that have effected change generally involve at least 3% of the population engaged for long periods of time. That's a small portion, but it's also a lot of people, like "thousands of letters."
Look up the work of Erica Chenoweth: You only need 3.5% of people mobilized. You might also find Srdja Popović (Blueprint for Revolution) useful
That's probably what I saw being summarized. Thanks for providing the proper sources!
There are caveats about the 3.5% rule, which Erica Chenoweth has addressed: www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr... Still, they expressed hope in this Resistance Lab training: www.youtube.com/live/_xMpZmL...
Thanks for explaining this to your friend. I was the same way, and it really wasn't until this administration that I clued in.
I think we are in a bad situation if normies start embracing black bloc as part of the coalition. Not that I think it’s wrong, just that we are in a bad situation as a country if it’s true.
we are in a bad situation as a country
makes me happy I love diversity
Yeah as Cornel West about the time Black Bloc saved his goddamn life in Charlottesville. People who were fine with fascists til their stocks tanked don’t get to tell me how i defend my community and I’ll be there with tape and gauze for when they find out the cops beat on parades too.
Never in history has the „black bloc“ been anything else than detrimental to its alleged goals. Thrill-seeking dumb, violent & spoiled kids (and stunted grown ups) . I lived in Kreuzberg long enough to enjoy the violent outbursts of these „heroes of the working class“ several times on May 1st.
I am black bloc as fuck. And I went to your little parade yesterday to run lead-block for a seventy-year-old Trans dude so he could wave a sign and say Fuck Donald Trump. The brunch liberals screaming at me are doing so in a language I do not speak
Thank you for your service (sincere)
It is my HONOR. (removes hat, takes knee) I will do that for any Trans person any day of the week.
Also, any elderly person, and the fact that this home slice had Parkinson's made it a trifecta. I am severely disabled myself, and will fight for my disabled peeps until there is nothing left of me. No matter what the gig, I honor the oath of my retainer before anything
I have a lot of thoughts all over the map. But my gods, the old hippies. I roll in there in terrible bloc, snarky patch vest, riot shield, trauma kit, all the gear from back in the day...and the old hippies treated me like Ip Man. Handing me joints and stuff. There's something to that, there.
"Can I touch your shield." --verbatim quote. Not from a child. From someone who looked like he remembered the '68 Democratic convention. Every time I even think about him saying that, my eyes start to leak again
*My favorite moment from 2020 was in Chapman Square, teaching two curious young high school boys to use that very shield defensively so they didn't get flipped on their butts. I never met two more respectful pupils. That memory soothes a lot of the horrifying ones. The good we do lives after us.
@nurselawyer.bsky.social , ^that's ya bwai. (tips lucky hat)
I'm happy.
Nah, I'm with you. I've been characterizing black bloc to my protest newbie friends as "an important part of the protest ecosystem" while telling them to UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES show up wearing all black with a face covering, because you shouldn't be communicating that unless you mean to
them and the national lawyers guild are the white blood cells of any good protest
i like the immune system analogy im totally stealing that
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Seems like common sense to me. But this is a time where common sense is very uncommon so what do I fucking know?
Yes thank you. The last group that literally defeated fascism was everyone from the most ardent communist to the segregationist Nixon loving grandpa. All allies all pulling the same direction. Anything else understates the gravity of the situation
If by "black bloc" you mean the Portland Anarchists who have dressed in black to evade police identification and disrupted Seattle rallies since the WTO by masking windows and starting fires ... they're part of the agent provocateur diversity.
Maybe some of the vandals are merely immature boys who think they'll attract a date by starting a fire, but their leaders are either Tulsi Gabbards wannabes or straight-up cop informant/agitators. I've seen them do this since the anti-nuke protests of the 1970s
This is the least controversial thing anyone could say about the history of social change.
Thank god I haven't seen the hats this time around.
Indeed. Let a thousand flowers bloom. We need it all. There’s no telling what tactic will work best in advance. Just do something and be active.
you monster
RIght? None of these things is either/or. Do everything and see what works best in particular situations.
I used to use the slogan that if we believe in a diversity of tactics we have to believe in voting. It got 2 of my anarchist friends to vote for Democrats in the general. Pennsylvania! Swing state! 😭
I told my liberal friends I would not vote for Biden unless 3 of them joined DSA and sent me receipts and they fucking did
this feels like a good time to point out that I was surprised and a deals a deal so I voted how I said I would
Smart person. I like the cut of your jib comrade.
This is the kind of compromise I'm here for
Lol this is great
Ok I really should have tried this because I would have bet it would not work
You have to put it to people who believe in lesser of two evils voting and are Bernie/Socialist-curious. This won't work with dum-dums who think Hillary lost because of Virgil Texas
Haha I don't think any of my liberal friends know what chapo is. They'd probably assume a DJ
Actually I 100% agree with you!
leftists love to scold libs for not embracing diversity of tactics; this is often fair, but it is rarely paired with an embrace of cringe lib shit, which is also diversity of tactics!!!!
"I want to wear a crocheted vagina suit and throw molotov cocktails" should definitely be a thing. If you can't burn down patriarchy while having a laugh, then what the fuck are you doing?
Sounds like something out of Situationists International
It’s honestly challenging to embrace “cringe lib shit” as a leftist solely because such a large proportion of their rhetoric punches left
And so much of leftist rhetoric punches at liberals. Chicken or egg, who's to decide who's at fault and it almost doesn't even matter anymore who started it. But I think both factions are gonna have to eat some words cause fascists absolutely exploit division, and we all need to learn to focus fire
Honestly the most cringe part of yesterday's demonstration here was the black bloc dude's speech. (and that's fine!)
(he spoke very stridently about "forces that would CLEAVE us in TWAIN" and maybe possibly save that for the Marxist poetry slam, my guy)
Yup that's fine! We dont actually have to agree with each other all the time. We can find each other cringe or strident. We are still allies, at the end of the day.
I feel like the black bloc has a place, but almost by definition, it needs to be a small minority
yeah its always good to have a bunch of 20yos in bandanas and hoodies just kinda milling around in case the groyper and proud boy types try to get clever. most of the time they will just start yelling at them when they get close and encircling them till the crawl away
This makes a ton of sense, tbh. People are often guilty of liking a particular strategy, but then hating a strategy that is essentially the same when employed by someone they find contemptable.
Some actions really affect me and affect me for years down the line. The smash all the bus stops in response to Trump winning in 2017 was in particular terrible cause yeah those did not get instantly fixed and some stops were removed.
I have to admit I’ve been guilty. If you are talking specifically about Having to hear the song “we shall overcome” get croaked out at each protest I go to.
I’m just now hearing mass peaceful protest characterized as “cringe lib shit” but at first blush it doesn’t exactly scream let’s embrace each other’s tactics.
so, truthfully asking here, did pussy hats do anything? i see the pussy hat women's march like, im worried it would have sapped energy that could have been used in a more consturctive fashion. but maybe someone participating in that wasn't going to accomplish anything anyway. did it do anything?
Yeah, the pink hats provided visual punch to the crowd pictures from the marches. They were easy to make - I just rerouted my crafting time to them and churned out like a dozen in a few weeks.
Yes. Remember MeToo? It started women talking to other women about what had happened to them, and led to the imprisonment and firing of some truly dreadful sex offenders. Before that you were told to just suck it up because there is nothing you could do.
uhh so my understanding is #MeToo didn't really kick off until about 9 months later when an actress accused Weinstein, and then suggested on twitter women should start writing "Me too"
Women were angered by the Trump Access Hollywood tape, and more when Trump was elected. Thus, the march. They also started sharing more about their experiences after the tape. MeToo wasn’t started by an actress after the marches; she amplified an educational campaign by a New York activist.
Leftists love to scold libs more than they love winning elections.
hi, i voted for kamala even though she gave me like dozens of reasons not to. could y'all libs like examine mainstream democrats and their wishy-washy stand-for-nothing weak-sauce positions, and maybe tell them to get their shit together?
She had better positions than any republican, so position is clearly not what voters actually care about.
if her positions were so great, can you explain why Muslims in Michigan, traditionally a strong Dem vote block, voted against her?
I can, but you wouldn’t like or accept the answer, so I won’t. Instead those people can sit back and watch the consequences of that vote along with the rest of us and we’ll see if any of them learn anything.
IDK what answer you have, because if it isn't the following two answers, you're in denial 1: Campaigning with Dick Cheney himself probably didn't resonate with Muslims, after the whole Iraq War thing 2: "the other guy will genocide Gaza harder than me" probably didn't resonate with them either.
Yeah, see that’s a false dichotomy. Not interested in playing that game. Somehow I think I’ll sleep just fine with you having concluded that I’m in denial.
your strat didnt work and trump is, unfortunately, president
Is he? I hadn’t noticed.
And vice versa
At least we show up to vote.
Who are you proud to blindly vote for? Joe Biden, the vain octogenarian who refused to meet the moment of challenging fascism head on? The countless senators confirming Trump’s cabinet? The entire party, that embraced genocide and shunned marginalized communities?
I don’t do interviews.
Nobody wants to interview you dawg 😭
You literally posted a list of questions.
Alrighty enjoy feeling morally superior for supporting the neoliberal regime that gave fascism the keys to the kingdom dawg
He says without a hint of irony or self-awareness.
ask yourself this sincerely: is this post helping anything, or is it making you feel good?
I don’t take orders from tankies.
I am not ordering you to do anything. Just reflect for a moment: is this kind of post helping further your cause in any way? Or are you posting it to make yourself feel good, and becoming angry because you know it does not?
You’re literally telling me what to do.
Hi Sergey, was just swinging by and couldn't help but notice that you didn't answer the simple question.
Cool story bro.
Thank you for proving my point
Fuck off tankie.
You keep using that word… I do not think it means what you think it means.
If I cared about your opinion, I’d ask you for it.
Do you ever think about how American "melting pot" culture intentionally suppresses traditional "sense of belonging" relationships in favor of "belonging" to groups that favor capitalist exploitation e.g. football teams megachurches Wal-Mart motivational cheer MAGA "work is like family"
That "rarely" feels off to me. I don't think it's usually the case that non-violent tactics are not embraced by the black bloc or leftists or whatever. I can see viewing nonviolence as insufficient for some cases, but useless or outright counterproductive? Nah, that smells like a rat.
Oh I have totally been seeing people saying things like that. Though I'm convinced a non zero number of them are cops or their paid agitators.
Excellent post
the ol "diversity of tactics" card is something people pull out when they've given up. they have given up on getting everyone on the same page to work towards a common goal. it is the language used by wreckers.
traditional protest tacticts adopted by mainstream lib orgs don't seem to accomplish political change making politicians have bad days seems to be more effective. thats a very broad concept. a bad day can mean 7000 phone calls or getting yelled at on the street or having your fundraiser shut down
The harm done by fascist regimes is as real and true as anything on earth. And yet, the regimes themselves are fragile structures. They are made of smoke and mirrors. They are held together with chewing gum and bailing wire. We can bring them down with actions that reveal their fragility.
My mom is extremely cringe, and she was out yesterday. And then I remember, she was on a mission trip to Ukraine in 2014 and attended Maidan in a prayer tent, not far from where people were being shot from rooftops days later. Cringe can help.
"cringe" is just another word for "intolerable sincerity"
i.e. a level of sincerity that's personally intolerable to the speaker
People who refuse to cooperate with normie libs have the same energy as Third Period Stalinists in Germany who denounced SocDems as "social fascists." They live in their own imaginary accelerationist world.
Boy are there a lot of shit-stirring bots on here this weekend trying to cause friction between left vs. lib, big protests vs direct action etc. We need a popular front with big numbers! Don't let them divide us. We should be fighting fascism, not each other.
Look at the people who swept this crew of ghouls into power. Just in the J6 mob you had mask and ziptie dudes, confused but angry grandparents, the shirtless shaman dude with the hat.
anyways if you want one single takeaway from sarah's international observations on protest: a functional opposition party is the best fucking tactic among the diversity of tactics I've seen so far
Also, your average Korean students/workers are more militant than most Americans and have within the living memory of older generations real experiences with mass police/Army violence we do not. Mass discipline of huge crowds in a US context would be truly threatening and take mass organizing.
I’m sure someone has made this point already but it bears repeating: in the U.S. (although not just here) mainstream media coverage often ignores civil disobedience unless it’s got arrests, property damage, or someone gets hurt.
Dang. Can we, like, import one of those?
Where can we get one of those?
I wish we had one of those in the US
The KKK in the post WWII-era through the Civil Rights era was hampered and slowed not just by anti racist actions and marches but by massive FBI operations - some illegal like COINTELPRO as well as lawsuits from civil rights orgs. The mockery and ridicule of shows like All in the Family also.
Coalition, baby. The left and center coming together is what defeats the far right. Get behind it.
Damn that would be nice
too bad there is no opposing party currently
An election consequence. If people want a functioning opposition party, they have to vote to give them power.
unfortunately I can't agree. it is not because of a lack of votes that there is no opposition, but that this empty husk of a party is too busy "reaching across the aisle" and co-signing fascist policy to do any meaningful opposing, let alone resistance
Do you even follow Dems? They had amendments after amendments to mitigate the harm caused by the GOP bill & all were voted down because the Dems don't have the votes. And yes, they'll need to get bipartisan support if they want those amendments passed. They need min 4 in the Senate, 6 in the House.
Have you noticed what they do when they have the majority? They then find tricks and excuses to not do the things needed by ordinary people. If they did the work when they have the majority then they would keep that majority much more of the time and could thwart the Trumps when needed.
No I have not noticed because Dems rarely get majority for long and when they do, they try to get as much legislation passed. ACA is one example. The Infrastructure Bill is another. Some of the Dems who voted for ACA actually lost their seats because voters did not show up in the midterms.
They don’t try to get as much legislation passed as they can. They could use the budget reconciliation process to do more but instead pretend that the parliamentarian prevents them. And they could bring maximum pressure on those last couple of holdout votes but instead use them as an excuse.
It just kept happening time and time again.
Manchin & Sinema were not going to budge. Because there will always be Dems who'll only vote 50-60% of the time with the party (still better than 0%), it is in the voters interest to bring in more Dems. But not the likes of Fetterman or Sinema -- conservatives in progressive/leftist clothing.
sure, but if they had a majority they wouldn't be the opposition now, would they? I wish I could have your optimism, but a large number of the top dems like schumer dont take the opportunities of actualy being an opposition. like what is this crap? not to mention harris promising rep cabinet members
Dems themselves are a mixed bag, some good some bad. However unified leadership in opposition to the GOP. The Cloture bill didn't need to be passed, the GOP didn't have enough votes to guarentee it. We could have turned the GOP tactic to hold the government hostage back at them if Schumer wasn't ass
*unified leadership in opposition to the GOP is missing
Did you see this? bsky.app/profile/john...
I feel like you are inciting people to punch Chuck Schumer in the nads. It would be *wrong*! It would feel so so good to punch Chuck Schumer in the nads, but you must not!
Our diversity is our strength; being able to turn that info unity is how we get empowered. In the #Disability community, we have many different members w varied experiences, but we unite to fight! (paraphrased Speaker Emerita Pelosi; exact quote is “Diversity is our strength; unity is our power). 💙
But US has built a political system (with good reason) that prevents such an organized party from emerging in the electoral space.
Hot damn, an opposition party that is both functional and actually standing in opposition would rule.
Honestly, I truly believe this is how simple it really is. Speaking truth to power cuts through political divides. I think we'd find a lot of people falling back into the Dem camp if they actually grew a political spine.
There are structural things preventing them from doing that, is the problem. Otherwise, if we’re to believe the premise that “Competition breeds innovation” to any extent whatsoever, they would’ve done it already.
If moving things follow the path of least resistance, there must be a reason WHY the path that naturally offers the least resistance is eschewed for a path filled to the brim with the shit.
Not going to happen with the Democrats. 85% are bought out by corporate PACs. We have to do this ourselves; open.substack.com/pub/peoplesp...
By standing do you mean getting military leadership to defect? Because now with the IEEPA enacted and wartime powers dictator capacities hugely expanded. Look at what wartime presidents can do historically and in the IEEPA. All libs could be considered insurrectionists, dealt with without courts.
Its gonna take al sorts of protestors doing their role. Yesterday was more 'entry level' with retirees and families. We will need civil disobedience folk & direct action. But yesterday wasnt that.
At *least* one!
Hm. I thought this thread was in favor of diversity of tactics, but it ends by signaling the superiority of one specific tactic over others. Wonder what ideological work that rhetorical tension is doing.
*Curb Your Enthusiasm theme starts playing*
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I've always thought that, but I've never really voiced it. If someone wants to throw bricks at a Walmart, it's not my problem. Massive corporations have made a huge effort to exclude themselves from our communities. Why do I have to police people if they're out there pissing everyone off?
Honestly that also sums up my opinion of Luigi Mangione putting an insurance CEO in the morgue.
reminding me of the G20 protests in Pittsburgh in 2009: Anarchist groups organized a march with a permit one day and the Anti-War Committee of the Thomas Merton Center organized a permitted march the next. Many of us attended both
Idk I will never forget being at an action where a very normie lib guy was exhorting people to vote and gave the wrong date for the election, and then someone from the black bloc contingent corrected him.
Libs could never understand or accept it but leftists are far more consistent and reliable voters, as a body, than registered democrats.
Almost every radical I know in actual real life also votes, they just don't make it the center of their praxis.
Voting is an important tactic Being a self-absorbed know-it-all (who doesn't even know it, at all) is less a tactic and more a deep personal failing, and not one that needs to be tolerated or left uncriticized
The tension irl (not just people arguing about what’s cringe online) comes from real, sometimes irreconcilable differences in understanding about what constitutes safety.
Thank you. Some of the risk hits us all differently & there's class difference. You said it succinctly. I myself am very chill, but I'm also not out there exposed.
I don’t find this opinion wrong and in fact even sparks a little joy.
Our Gen-X "Whatever🤷♀️" was quite rebellious at the time. We can be rebellious again, if ever then now😊