Again - where did you FIRST hear the term? And which elected dems? How many? Was it widespread? Did party platforms or policies reflect this?

Yes, that is a stupid claim

Fact. Google it.

lol

That term isnt on the list lmao

Activists started using it and many elected Democrats were tripping over each other in the rush to decry it.

Not loud enough. They got tarred with it. Doesn’t matter if it’s unfair. They lost. BTW, what is your plan to flip TX?

Health care, green energy jobs, and not buying into right-wing framing like you and Colin Allred have done.

I generally agree with you. But you gotta show TX voters you ain’t a lefty loon. Whether fair or not. That’s what I mean by having to do “ridiculous and distasteful stuff” - you shouldn’t have to fend off FNC propaganda, *but the propaganda works,* so unfortunately you gotta deal with it.

You don't deal with it by signaling to voters you're a fickle coward by who'll shove your own supporters under the bus at the first sign of pushback.

Which ones? Be specific

Name them.

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/07/...

An article written in 2024 bringing up that in 2020 Harris said that the Defund the Police movement was right for pointing out how we are excessively funding police at the expense of schools and other public services, and more police funding doesn't mean less crime. Do you think she was wrong?

She should never have associated with an obviously stupid and harmful slogan like “defund the police.” Obviously stupid. Democrats that associated themselves with stupid nonsense like that have their heads so far up their own asses they deserve to lose. Rs are criminals, wish Ds weren’t losers.

How then, in your mind, should she have answered the question "What do you think of the Defund the Police movement?"

“That’s crazy, we should INCREASE funding for police departments. They keep our streets safe and our cities prosperous. But also we should root out abuses, get rid of bad cops, and that policing should be done in partnership *with* the community. I know: I was a enforcement officer myself.”

So basically, advocate to make the problem worse while turning her back on an extremely motivated grassroots movement. People who could have easily been converted into canvassers, doners, phone bankers, etc are now not only dissuaded from voting for her, they're likely to campaign against her.

The movement will continue to use the slogan "Defund the Police" It will still be attached to the democrats. And the people who vote for "tough on crime" politicians still won't vote for her.

Anyone using the phrase “defund the police” is in a death cult. They just want to lose.

The point is you can't shame activists out of using a slogan, nor run from it once its associated with you. Democrats will be attacked as the party of "Defund the Police" for the next 50 years, and that was true from the day the first Fox news pundit heard an activist chanting it. So work with it.

Nope. Big tent. I want a big tent. And BTW I don’t actually think canvassing, donations, or phone banking matters much at all. Winning swing voting by taking popular positions wins.

The more active and enthusiastic people you have on your side, the more your message gets out. The more people encourage their friends and family to vote for you. The more people help register voters and give rides to polling stations. Trump wins on unpopular policies with optimistic enthusiasm.

Democrats lose because they cynically refuse to go for popular policies for fear of alienating people who wouldn't vote for them anyway, which also alienates people who wanted to vote for them, killing their enthusiasm.

He wins because he took left leaning positions on economics and won swing voters.

"Swing voters" are a myth. There is no large cohort of voters who sit at the center of American politics. The real "swing voter" is the person who stays home because they don't think either party has anything to offer them. When they do vote, they largely vote for the same party every time.

Trump was successful at activating a dedicated cohort of these normally apathetic voters by pandering to their worst desires. They continue to come out for him because he continues to pander. Democrats have been trying to appeal to Trump's cohort by pandering less aggressively, and it doesn't work.

They are not a myth. And if you think so you’re just giving up. Lots of voters swung to Trump in 2024: especially minorities and young people. Swing them back.

We don’t deserve to lose. MGP does.

You're completely captured the propaganda that being near a "bad phrase" means that Democrats support everything associated with that "bad phrase". Funny how that never happens to Republicans. They're never punished because of an association with a phrase like "they're murderers and rapists".

I didn’t say it was fair, it’s not. I can’t make the world fair. All I can do is fight on an uneven playing field.

Or "grab them by the pussy". Weird, huh?

Yeah, how dare she say that we should look at priorities and maybe not buy police departments an M1-A Abrams tank and close schools. You've been played, player, and you don't even realize it. Kamala Harris did not say "defund the police". Try again.

She came close enough to cause herself problems

"Close enough" you mean she mentioned the words. You're angry at the wrong people but it's the people that the propagandists in the media *want* you to be mad at. So they won.

The world is unfair. I am far more angry with the media and Republicans than I am with Dems. But requesting fairness isn’t in the cards right now. Our fate is to fight in an unfair fight. But fight we must. Even if it’s distasteful or ridiculous that we have to hold our side to unfair standards.