I agree with her demand. I also have demands. No nominee is going to meet everyone’s demands. However, I’m not foolish enough to not vote because 100% of my demands are not met. Is the current administration doing anything to improve trans people’s lives? No. Not voting = vote for GOP
Trump not helping us is not the bar to meet, Jonathan the bar is helping us. it's the minimum right there with "stop cops killing Black ppl" if ur willing to support people who don't support those things, you are my enemy bc you don't support our life; you're comfy with our struggle and death
I’ve clearly asked how I can help and I get called a coward and a fascist. That doesn’t help anyone. I don’t support Newsom. I will NOT vote for him in the primary. But if he wins the nomination, I’m NOT willing to throw EVERYONE under the bus if all of my demands aren’t met.
trans ppl don't have to be nice. we don't have to make you feel good and assuage your ego or make you comfy when you say we need to accept our dehumanization getting normalized bc "not all demands can be met" by saying that, you're telling us you are ok with our deaths
this is not just about newsom it's about all the transphobic Democrats. all of them.
I agree. We need better candidates that aren’t transphobic. We ALL need to support them in primaries. I hate Newsom. He’s at the bottom of my list of “Democrats”. But he’s ahead of every fucking Republican. I hope he isn’t the nominee and I will vote, canvas, and donate to his primary opponents.
That is really a problem for the party. They should probably think twice about nominating a transphobe.
Are your demands basic human rights acknowledgment?
ok hotshot, what right that affects you *personally* are you willing to sacrifice to get a democrat elected?
"Not voting = vote for GOP" 1+0 will never equal 2 no matter how badly your bigot apologia needs to pretend it does. You'd think you losers would learn from your repeated failures that stemmed from relying on threatening people with Trump to coerce them into compliance.
They dont sound like particularly strong demands or beliefs if youre willing to cave on all of them the moment a light wind pushes on them.
"Not voting = vote for GOP" You don't believe in democracy
If you’re gonna vote for someone regardless of whether or not they fulfill your demands, then the candidate has no obligation to fulfill any of your demands. This is how we get Democrats moving further and further to the right. Threatening to withhold votes is how you get demands fulfilled.
Then Don’t Nominate Newsom. It’s really that simple.
I’m not trying to nominate Newsom. All I’ve said is I will vote for him if he ends up winning the nomination. I will not vote for him in the primary. I do not like him. But I like him more than ANY Republican nominee.
1937 would like to have a word. Maybe learn from history? bsky.app/profile/will...
What…the fuck…is the purpose of you saying you would vote for him if you wouldn’t vote for him in a fucking primary? That information is fucking USELESS. Nobody cares what transphobe you would fucking vote for if the other option is a Republican. You libs need to get fucking smarter. Now.
they'll never learn, they'll keep doing this, and forever be like this, well, if fascism doesn't kill us all first
It’s not about you. Parker and others have said they will never vote for Newsom. If you want to win, do not nominate him.
That’s a really cool opinion. He’s still gonna lose. You might wanna be more worried right now about avoiding that, instead of making sure you can blame someone else when it does, and never learn a thinf
Please don’t “Pobody’s Nerfect” trans rights. We’re not asking for perfection. Wanting to exist in public is the barest minimum.
I agree with wanting your community to have equal rights and us all to have even more rights from there. If you’re willing to throw away your right to vote because it’s an imperfect nominee, then we end up with the current administration who is further stripping your rights.
>it’s an imperfect nominee, what imperfections are you willing to accept? anything that affects you personally?
"because it’s an imperfect nominee" You fucking coward, don't hide behind generalities, say it specifically and with your chest, "because he's a bigot who will take your rights away"
But the queer community should just suck it up cause otherwise you might be affected, right?
No. The queer community should help educate people like me on candidates who support your cause so we can get behind them. You’re arguing with me instead of teaching me how I can help your cause. Help us defeat Newsom.
It's not the queer community's job to educate you.
If they want me to vote for candidates they support, it is quite literally their job to educate people on those candidates they approve of instead of just fighting online. Who do you support as a potential candidate? I’d love to throw support behind them.
Nah bitch you're just demanding that marginalized people do the work of fighting their own oppression while you sit back and do fuck all. You use your brain and figure out which politicians don't want to murder trans and unhoused people. I believe in you
How do you think marginalized people have gained rights over time? By fighting the oppressors. Yet, I support your cause and you fight with me instead of telling how I can help advance the cause. I’m asking how to help and your response is fuck off. That’s how you lose.
I'm telling you that demanding marginalized people do the work you're easily capable of doing yourself is not ally shit. You're a lazy dumbass
I’m a lazy dumbass but you’re unwilling to even say how I can help advance your cause? You don’t really want to fight. You just want to complain about other people not doing enough but you won’t even say how we can help.
I've made it pretty clear that the way you can advance the cause is support candidates that are pro-trans rights, not anti. You can figure it out from there, I believe in you
I’ve made it pretty clear that I understand that I can advance the cause by supporting candidates who are pro-trans rights, not anti. You can’t even name one candidate for me to put my support behind. You want to sit back and have people fight for you when you won’t even name candidates you support.
lol give me a break
There’s that winning spirit.
you do not know how to win
Show me where trans people have won. Is alienating supports a winning strategy?
Certainly didn’t win under Biden. In fact, I’d say he and his party alienated supporters. Is that a winning strategy?
You have shown no interest in being a good ally
I support trans people having equal rights. Instead of offering to educate people like me on how we can better support the trans community and which candidates best support the cause, you argue and call me a bad ally. How does that advance your cause? Learn how to win. Not fight with allies.
Nah
Well, while you might not want my support for the trans community, I’m still going to support you. Even if you’re a dick. But, unlike you, I won’t abandon every other community if I don’t get 100% of what I want from the democratic nominee.
You’ve shown no interest is advancing your cause or helping other marginalized people. Saying you wouldn’t vote for someone if 100% of your demands aren’t met means you’re willing to abandon EVERY cause and person you claim to support.
"Don't agree with MAGA about my rights" is laughably far from 100% of my demands. bsky.app/profile/lady...
Oh you mean these marginalized people? www.ijpr.org/politics-gov...
Oh you mean these marginalized people? www.aol.com/news/no-more...
Oh you mean like these marginalized people? www.bbc.com/news/article...
That’s not true, though
If you support a free Palestinian state, Medicare for all, increasing minimum wage, etc. and the Democratic nominee doesn’t align with your stance on trans people’s rights, so you decide to not vote, you are actively giving up support on all those other causes. So, yes, it is true.
…you’re wanting the queer community to hold your hand and take you step by step for a party that couldn’t even support a trans speaker at the DNC while pushing someone who endorsed KOSA? Ya need to fix your party and give people reason to even consider them again that doesn’t end in further erasure.
“Lesser evil” is still a fight, and it’s clear that such a fight has been ignored as leading Dem party figures continue to endorse genocide, praise ICE, and platform anti-trans rhetoric from MAGA extremists. The direction of the Dem Party is not one of coalition with the queer community.
Do your own fucking work, you ignorant piece of boulder.
The queer community doesn’t owe you an education on shit. It is YOUR responsibility to educate yourself on how to best be a true ally. But I’ll give you a hint at how to start: don’t vote for transphobes. Period.
It is YOUR responsibility to educate people on causes YOU support and want ti progress. That’s literally your fucking job if you truly care about your causes. Did MLK, John Lewis, Thurgood Marshall, etc. refuse to educate people during the civil rights movement?
“I agree with wanting” so you don’t agree. You’re just trying to carve out a middle ground that doesn’t exist by pretending “wanting” is a privilege. It’s not. It’s oppression. You’re okay with ongoing oppression
You’re asking me to oppress every group because yours is oppressed instead of teaching how we can help advance your cause. That’s not how you win.
Here's how you can advance your cause, fuckface. I promise that if you take your own life I will become a Gavin Newsom stan. If you put your money where you mouth is and sacrifice yourself like your want trans people to, I will support your bigot. Sound good?
Nope, I’m literally asking for the bare minimum from a party that insists fascism is “coming”: don’t be fascists. And they keep choosing fascism over me. I don’t get to win. Welcome to life on the left.
You're asking to be spared by throwing trans people under the bus, and then having a tantrum when trans people tell you they won't sign on to that.
We’re not voting for our own deaths, gaslighter. The way democracy is SUPPOSED TO WORK is you make demands in the politicians. Go talk to Gavin, bootlicker. Your lies are muted. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJSe...
I don’t think you know what the word “demand” means
I don’t think you know how negotiations work. Walk away if your demands aren’t met. That’s how we got where we are now. And show me one candidate that you 100% agree with on everything. You can’t.
lol check out the false dichotomies on Jonathan
You can't walk away from someone who's already been elected by other shitty people. Also, trans rights are human rights; anyone who says otherwise is a bigot, and should not be elected to ANY office.
Where we're at right now is "who might we nominate," and our negotiating point is "this is what we, the electorate, expect of our candidate". Newsom (& anyone else) has 3ish years to figure out if he wants to rise to meet expectations, or if he wants to "walk away" from the nom.
No one is asking for 100% agreement, dickhead. That's a line you've been programmed say, and you do so without asking why.
What you're saying is that a shrewd negotiator is willing to pay any price and should agree to do so before any negotiations begin?
A shrewd negotiator has leverage. .35% of the population isn’t leverage. You need more supporters. I’ve asked how I can best support and get nothing but shit on. That’s not how you advance your cause.
Advocate for the right to privacy, due process, equal treatment under the laweand bodily autonomy just as you would with abortion or vaccines. If those things are negotiable then I don't think we're ever going to want what you're selling.
Trans people do not consist of some fundamentally different group that requires a different set of laws. If you do need more nuance for policy then it should be evidence based and seek to minimize harm, not based on social distaste for a minority group.
Like, it’s such a low bar
Frankly it's unclear that any level of transphobia is required to win elections but we keep being told it is and to stay quiet and accept it. Just based on vibes I guess.
These people saw Harris following the law of her state five years prior as a bridge too far in support of trans people. Are they going to be winnable if you do some light fascism? I don't think so and none of these guys have managed to convince me.
Either we have enough power to influence the election or we don't. If we do then you can win us over by supporting basic human rights. If we don't then just do what you want, it doesn't matter either way except people feel like it's unfair they're being shit on.
Yeah I don’t think most voters are so incredibly transphobic that they wouldn’t vote for a candidate that wasn’t hell-bent on hating trans people. This cruelty is not even remotely necessary
theres literally no basis other than gop campaign blasted transphobia at the same time it won despite losing midterms blasting the same
I don't doubt that people FEEL afraid but I don't know why I should take their irrational fear based on right wing propaganda seriously. It's always a third party going, "Well I'm enlightened but will it play in Peoria".
I do advocate for those things. Look at my likes, reposts, and who I follow before you assume I don’t support those rights.
You are the one who asked for how to support people. Why are you here arguing that we should give those things up three years from now if it means helping someone else? That's just Christian baby stuff.
I asked how to support and the only answers, besides asshole comments, was for me to abandon all my other beliefs and withhold my vote.
No? I answered sincerely. This is like asking how you can support access to abortion while voting against it on a federal level. You can't. You as an individual do not have that power. You cannot support trans people without ensuring legal and medical transition.
what percentage of the population counts for leverage? The 1% of the population that is Native American? The 1.5% of the population that is muslim? The 2% of the population that is jewish?
Simple math would tell you that more than 50% of something gives you leverage. Does someone who owns 5 shares of a stock tell the CEO and Board how to operate the company? No, the majority does.
Ok i get it, only straight white people have leverage. I disagree with this statistical analysis
You disagree with math? No wonder you’re willing to let republicans lead.
Sir, i agree with math when it is correct. Your math is wrong
Is greater than 50% of something a majority or no? Take your time figuring it out.
Well guess what that logic loses elections
actually my demands and that of my loved ones weren't met last time & thats how we got here DESPITE them still voting; voting out of fear. but dems ran such a shitty campaign they still lost and its because of this slow creep to the right they do which hemorrhages their base in favor of donors and-
whatever their consultants tell them. now the consultants are telling them to backstab trans people to scapegoat us? fuck that. we see where this road leads, and its the same one thats allowed them to betray their stance on immigration.
Perfection is not and never has been the goal. There is a baseline minimum of respect for human rights. If this is not met then that is a no, plain and simple.
Stop using the word “demand” if you’re describing a “want.” It’s not complicated. But then you’d have to admit you don’t actually care
Saying, “I want it my way or I’m not voting,” is quite literally a demand, not a want.
jim varney would have hated you
Right. And you keep saying you have demands too, but then admitting you’ll let 99.5% of them go, just to have a nice negotiation.
I didn’t say I’d let 99.5% of them go. I said if one wasn’t met, I wouldn’t walk away from all the other demands like a fucking toddler.
That’s not what Demands are, and you know damn well it was a lot more than one brutal policy position by the Dems that got voters to stay home. You just need to believe their immature, because if you took their actual situation seriously you could never live like you do
If you're gonna vote for the candidate no matter what they do/don't do, then by definition you don't have demands, you have preferences. The rest of us aren't willing to sacrifice trans people for your short term comfort
You want to know who meets my minimum standard? Rep Tlaib. And bringing up the current administration just shows you’re here in bad faith.