An honorable quarterback tends to make creative plays within the pocket, throw with anticipation and take risks. Those who rely on scrambling, specific offenses and throws to play their game are marked down on this list. Presenting The Quarterback Honorability Index:
People on Bsky are just as dumb people on X.
Trying to be on the white side of history I see.
Show the rest of the ranking you cowards, I want to know who you consider the least honorable quarterback is
You know Lamar is near the bottom
Lamar is in the second most honorable tier. The first one they cite in the bottom tier is Aaron Rodgers
damn y’all really are part of the New York Times family now
Introducing the With Honor I Throw Exquisitely index, or WHITE for short
WTF is wrong with y’all?
My QB has been in 2 Superbowls in his first 6 seasons. Has the winningest % and is a good guy. Y'all keep subbing the next goat.
Ah yes, Josh Allen, the highly regarded pocket passer who is not known for making plays off-script or while scrambling.
listen to the podcast
NO
then don’t comment on someone or something being racist or disrespectful if you don’t understand the premise. very simple
I understand the English language. And clearly, you don't think Lamar Jackson is an "honorable" QB, but Josh Allen is---even though--they have virtually the same style of play and skills.
Lamar and Josh are in tier 4 of 5 in honorability. Get a grip, stop raving without knowing what the fuck you’re talking about
The graphic shows Josh Allen as being in tier 5.
That’s right. I didn’t look at the graphic, listened to the podcast yesterday morning. The graphic doesn’t explain any context, any insinuation this is about race is asinine. Klassen is perhaps one of the biggest original fans of Lamar Jackson, he just doesn’t take the same chances as a passer
It's how it's framed. If you want to create a pocket passer metric call it the Peyton Manning Index or something. Fine. "Honorability" is loaded language. Racists have for years talked about how black QBs don't play how a QB is "supposed" to. Implying it's a dishonorable way to play is no different.
But it’s not a pocket passer metric. #1 it’s for fun and wasn’t meant to be a graphic. #2 it’s a “metric” only insofar as it’s applying some sort of Knights of the Round Table perspective to how QB “should” be played. This is July NFL content. Dude is not racist and only a fool would say so.
now you’re putting words in my mouth? that’s very Trumpian of you. no, lamar absolutely is honorable. you’re red herring-ing AND strawman-ing. just a master class of bad-faith arguing. give it up, admit you’re wrong, don’t understand the bit, and stfu. or at least listen to the pod. imbecile.
Are you familiar with the idiom “a hot dog will holler”? Because you’re hollering at everyone in here. Lol.
you’re damn right i am. i will call out stupidity when stupidity deserves called out.
Ok
if you don’t know enough on the subject to comment properly on the post you’re getting mad about, you’re stupid. that’s all of the people i’ve replied to.
*hit
are you Derrik Klassen's burner account
im someone with the slightest bit of common sense who tells dumb people they’re being dumb. this is very easy to understand, why are you making it so tough?
Sam Darnold, who was only good for one season in a specific system with elite talent, made this list? Jordan Love, who relies on LaFleur and athleticism for his success? Goff making plays in the pocket with anticipation, calling audibles at the line, success with 2 different orgs. Not on the list...
Are you really this fucking bored?
The replies to this are insane lmao
The only guy on this list with a SB ring earned it after going to a team that (checks notes) tailored its offense to his specific skill set.
What are we doing here
Shocked Baker didn't make the list but you included Allen.
I feel like u were gonna call this the "anti-woke" QB rankings but felt it was a little in the nose
Bluesky is not going to let you slide on poor wording. Try again.
i got one you can use, it's called the go fuck yourself index
The YT tiers.
Incredibly funny replies here lmfao, people accusing Derrik Klassen of all people of not liking lamar jackson enough
Ask him about Jalen Hurts, who outplayed both Mahommes and Lamar on his way to a ring,
it's a stupid category. And an incredibly stupid title for a QB ranking. End of story
Fart Fartin
Derrick "watching Cam Newton play made me a football fan" Klasson is a QB racist according to nephews
What about defensive back honorability? And is there anything more dishonorable than catching the ball meant for another? That is downright rude.
As long as Mahomes is #32 I’m fine with whatever weird ass racial overtones are in this one
wow, crazy to hear rush limbaugh was brought back from the dead but you didn't have to hire him
WTH is this? Honorability? Honor these rings in Philly and KC. Congrats to all these Top 5 quarterbacks. You won July. Good for you. I’ll stick with my dishonorable QB in February when he’s actually playing games.
Uhh…
Damn, the off-season is really getting to you guys.
That NYT influence is finally starting to show up
lame
Shorter Athletic: We found a whole new way to label gatekeeping the QB position
Standing in the pocket and making big boy throws is real quarterbacking, RPO is conservative trickery, I will not be hearing any counterarguments at this time.
Ah yes Honorable. Just what I think of when I think of the NFL.
Somehow Flacco and Stafford are more honorable then Hurts and Lamar. I wonder why.
i think you should hire more black editors asap before you print even worse racist drivel
Pretty weird thing to say considering who is on the list and the way the list is described.
here’s a list of the five most honorable women in your family. what?! why are you mad?? your mother in law wasn’t even on the list…
Extremely weird analogy
you may want to get your hearing checked if can’t hear the dog whistle in that skeet. how little do you know about the history of black QBs playing american football?
Christ. I'll bite and reply earnestly to this: The joke is that most fans can agree on who the best quarterbacks are, and Stafford and Darnold aren't in the top tier. They created some arbitrary metric to put them in the top tier, forcing the discussion to one decent QB and one very uneven one...
Two average-ish white guys. It's just giving air to mediocrity (albeit amongst elite-tier athletes) when you could talk about how great the great QBs are. It's not always "dark skin bad", and between that and your other replies, it looks like you only hear the loudest whistles.
I'd be sad if I saw the world that way.
i’d be sad if i found this “joke” funny 👍🏽
Literally cannot believe they used "Honorable" as the adjective here. How about "slow," "old," "immobile," "lazy", "injury prone", etc. So many options and they chose just about the most racist dog-whistly one possible.
It’s a weird choice of words but explain to me why it’s racist?
Yeah not going there. Sorry. If you don't understand you're part of the problem.
You seem nice.
The explainer is that it evokes the racial steryotypes that have been apart of discussions around QBs for a while. Namely that white QBs were seen to be better pocket passers and 'field generals' while black QBs seen as more 'athletic' deffering to their atheltisim instead of their intelligence.
But Geno and Love are on the list. This feels like a lot of people bringing their own baggage/priors to a conversation that was clearly not intended that way.
Its again more about the historic cultural context of how its phrased not the list specifically. So yes baggage is the issue but "black people have baggage that they shouldn't bring up all the time" isnt a great way to approach discussions of race imo
poor babies brain turns off when certain word used oh nyoooossssss
But "these guys are bad rascists" also isnt the most preductive especially for something as minor and nuanced as this!
Also from another thread is pretty clear whoever wrote the social post just fucked it cause the graphiv discriptor makes way mote sense and doesn't evoke any of the racial stiff imo
Don’t think that’s the argument I’m trying to make. But it’s not doing anyone any good to throw klan hoods on otherwise good people for a single common adjective used clearly without that intent. That can be discrediting when there are other very real cases of the issue you’re trying to cite.
If you're not honorable, you are dishonorable. Therefore Mahomes and Jackson are "dishonorable" for being scrambling quarterbacks. The fact that someone would create a description that just happens to do this to the two best quarterbacks right now, for a trait that is more associated with black QBs.
I agree it’s a really weird word to choose for the context…..but the list includes Geno and Love. I don’t take it as a shot at Mahomes (my teams QB). It seems like a stretch to think it’s a knock on those guys. Just a semantic scandal.
Yeah, I couldn't fit everything in one skeet. It's not just those two QBs, but they are clearly important, so I anchored my comment with them. There is a long history of black QBs being discriminated against and part of that is "justified" by ranking certain playing styles higher. Cf Warren Moon.
Oh absolutely. Don’t even have to go that far back…..Polian was saying Lamar Jackson should be a WR. I have no interest in whitewashing that history because it’s important. Just still feels like the reaction to this piece over a word like honorable was a bit over the top.
Your perspective is fair enough. Would you agree it was an unfortunate word choice?
It didn’t make much sense as a word choice to me. Unfortunate is probably a good word for it.
If you listened to the podcast you would know that his dishonorable list is Aaron Rodgers, Daniel Jones, and Tua. You're making up something to get mad at.
Perhaps you meant to reply to someone else. I have neither made anything up, nor am I mad.
Derrik put Lamar in his 2nd tier (out of 5) and consistently praises him for being one of the best pocket passers in the league. He put Mahomes in his 3rd tier because he's become the greatest game manager of all time. What you think he said bears no resemblance to what he actually said.
Ok now I’m offended. He’s better than a game manager. I know the ADOT stats…..
Lol, it's more that Mahomes knows he doesn't have to be Superman on every play and can pick his spots.
Agreed, good defense and all. I think he wants more depth but the short passing is a Reid feature too
Again, you appear to be reading more into my posts than is there. I never mentioned what I "think he said". I assume you are referring to Klassen. I'm not really going to try to unpack the whole 45 minute podcast, nor am I trying to say anything directly about Klassen.
You came up with your own definition of dishonorable then made a statement about Derrik using it in the same way. He did no such thing.
You are acting like a jerk. I never made a statement about Derrick at all, let alone about how he used the word. Read my posts again!
Why would it not occur to eother you or the author that the vast majority of people have never heard of the podcast, let alone listened to it? Next they'll have a list ordered in reverse that rates "athletecism", an even more blatant dog whistle.
Could just read the article and see that’s in no way how they defined it. Maybe check the “dishonorable” list. Or you could just make up racists motives about anything you see on social media. That seems to be a sport of its own on socials. Wonder why people are hesitant to post here….
Everyone has the option of not responding to something they didn't read or listen to
Breaking it down to this Tua is number 1 by a distance.
If you have listened or seen other lists from derek its as non racist as can be
Its a im gonna rip it ranking
None of these people have ever listened to the show
I could quibble with my choices for the top5
Say what
Your qb has no honour Brendel. You must accept this
Sam and Geno, huh? No wonder you’re on board.
Seattle? more like Honoreattle
If your QB honor score is low enough, you should have to commit seppuku.
My QB got drafted by Tampa. A QB with any honor would have slit his belly the moment he heard about that.
Look, if your QB is unwilling to stand in a collapsing pocket & only call plays Johnny Unitas would have been familiar with, then he will never see Valhalla.
Qwhite an interesting angle!
you’re actually braindead if you think this is racist
how does this effect the way I lose money in draftkings
YOU CALL THEM HONORABLE YET TWO OUT OF THE TOP FIVE MOST HONORABLE QUARTERBACKS HAD ROWDY SEX WITH MY COUSIN'S WIFE
I don’t see Deshaun or Justin Tucker anywhere on that list.
… at the same time?
In football, that's called a "Double Play." Wait no hold on
pics or it didnt happen
Picks or it wasn't Geno.
Hey, try not to have sect with any honorable QBs on the way through the parking lot!
All these commenters are insane. Triggered off a common adjective for literally no conceivable reason. Just rage junkies looking for someone to call racist.
i'm just looking for someone to call a bitch.... bitch
Lmao
This is stupid and you should feel bad.
This...is not great
Created by the same people who talk about "ethical hoops"
Nah, this is worse. Unethical hoopers leverage referee skill gaps to be successful - this is just a different style of play (and probably more on coaches than players).
In what way is discussing QB playstyles under a jokey name worse than the fact that 90% of basketball is figuring out how to exploit the rules
It's not - I meant (The Athletic) denigrating QB for their playstyle is worse than denigrating basketball players for exploiting the rules
denigrating? you can’t be serious
You don't think putting someone low on an "honorable" list meets the definition of denigrating? What word would you use?
… something you’re not privy to. and again, i realize that someone who doesn’t listen to the show doesn’t have that nuance and the social team left the show out to dry with a very stupid Bluesky post.
Yeah I have no idea what the source of this is tbh - there isn't even a link. But it's silly to put out a ranking as high/low "honorability" and assume people won't interpret it as a value judgement. I can't think of any context in which calling someone "not honorable" is anything other than bad.
and that’s why it’s insane that the social team put this out there. folks like you don’t understand what it means and come in with racist outrage (two of these five are black) when it deserves ZERO outrage. it’s definitively not bad, denigrating, insulting, or anything of that ilk
sounds like you have a problem with The Athletic's social media team and perhaps should take it up with them instead of arguing with readers/followers who are making a pretty normal interpretation of a pretty basic word
i realize that i listen to this show and most very ignorant humans commenting below it don’t, but if you did, you’d understand how stupid using the word “denigrating” is. it’s a playstyle- and film-based qualifier to what type of QB these players are. You people are angrily commenting on…
you have a very very narrow definition of unethical hoops lmfao
I feel like it's pretty standard...? What else should be included?
Top 5 QBs who play them game white.
“Sneaky athleticism” dog whistles have reached their final form
only the dumbest folk will think this list is racist
K
two black QBs in the list but Totally Sane Bluesky users swear the creator of it is racist. Bluesky users doing a great job making sure everyone else thinks they’re totally sane
Stupidity.
How's this post going for you
Did not expect to see a pigment index in 2025
Wtf? Whoever at the @theathletic.com thought this was smart, sure is fucking dumb.
Can I get a role call here on how many people think Geno and Jordan are White dudes?
Dak also in that top tier (for those who didn't hear the podcast).
Or, like, an offensive line.
this is despicable analysis and the naming convention to imply athletic quarterbacks are dishonorable. god you can’t even try and not be arses. any credibility you had is lost
that’s not what this is saying. instead of commenting on things you’re ignorant to, why not just keep scrolling? at least listen to the podcast before spouting nonsense
Tune in next week, when we rank QBs based on how (un)comfortable I would be if they took my daughter out on a date
You get it!
Jordan Love and Geno Smith are in the top tier you weirdo
and the 6th one is Dak!
This feels very racist
@scrubquotes.bsky.social
I'm assuming none of the commenters here know who Jordan Love or Geno Smith are
On this website full of hall monitors and dweebs? I doubt they know who won the Super Bowl last year.
sportsball, ewww
Honorability is judged by *faerie* standards, obviously. Pocket presence is irrelevant if you can just teleport. Also, does this index account for being pursued by a gelatinous cube? Crucial data.
If you're reach a certain level of honor does that mean you roll with advantage on your athletics checks?
You guys gonna create an "uppity" index too, for QBs who aren't respectful enough and don't know their place?
Excellent comment - KUDOS
love that you people are commenting on this but don’t understand the basis or the list whatsoever
That’s why you don’t tweet something like this without the proper context. It’s not on us.
"you people"? That's slander against me and my fellow reactionary idiot partisan football fans.
you have to admit that to someone who's never heard the podcast or the bit, the "honorable" framing was absolute horseshit. I say this as an admittedly biased Eagles fan. That's all.
while i can sympathize with that, to a degree, at least listen to the podcast before you get mad at it. the social team for the athletic couldn’t have done the pod more of a disservice
That's the thing - I didn't know it was from a podcast. The social team just threw it out there as a one off. Or at least they were intentionally inflammatory. They sure drummed up clicks. I understand now the disconnect, I hope the social team gets reamed out
bsky.app/profile/pros... i actually didn’t realize until recently that the social team did such an awful job that they didn’t even post or properly reference the podcast. utter incompetence.
OK, I'm game. What is the basis of the list? I tried googling, and didn't see anything more informative that the graphic at the top of the thread. So, until I find out otherwise, it is just that short description.
well, i’m realizing now that the post didn’t even reference or link the podcast. this is a podcast which has a very detailed explanation of what this means. give it a listen. even just the first few minutes. this couldn’t be further from racist like 80% of these mushbrains are saying
to be clear I don't think it was racist, it just came across as typical hot-takey nick-wright level idiocy.
i also want to be clear that the racist/mushbrain comments are not directed towards you. you had probably the least incorrectly inflammatory response to the original post of anyone i responded to. some of these folks want Derrik Klassen sent to The Hague
Thanks, it's all good.
open.spotify.com/episode/5uUf...
give the most recent pod a listen, or at least just the first few minutes. it’s so much more innocent than the original post apparently seems. it’s more describing, in a list, what QBs play like aggressive, entertaining idiots. in a fun way.
www.nytimes.com/athletic/pod...
Not taking any political positions other than MAGA - honorable
5 terrible qbs that can't win.
who asked for this
Crazy, click-bait post. Marked down.
Silly
This is a stupid index as evidenced by who you have on the list. What is the point of this? What do you hope to communicate about the QB position? Or is it just to give gold stars to these players for some arbitrary reason?
you could listen to the podcast which lays out with great detail and clarity what it's doing
listen to the podcast, man. it’s not a hard concept to grasp, and it’s for fun. get over it lmao
Why would I listen to the podcast if this is how I'm introduced to it?
Did Clay Travis write this?
Wow are you terrible. What's wrong with you?
“Plays the game the right way” ahhh post
You guys have absolutely fumbled the ball on this. Honor? Are you kidding me? Some playstyles are more honorable than others??? What a load of BS.
This ain't it
Feels wildly racist ngl
This article was written by grok, apparently.
How about one that lead a team to a championship and not commit sexual assault?
This is stupid.
I don’t know anything about football but this sounds like a scrub quote
At least you didn’t put Watson at number 1
This seems insanely subjective
Just say white
Lol, look up pictures of Jordan Love and Geno Smith
Read the words of their tweet
"Those who rely on scrambling, specific offenses and throws to play their game" Derrik's example of this player, someone who he put into his most dishonorable tier, is Daniel Jones. And Aaron Rodgers also made it into that tier.
"honorable"?
Craziest thing about the replies to this is that 2 of the 5 guys on this graphic aren’t white and in the podcast he also put Dak in this tier so half of the QBs that are most honorable are not white. Dog whistles absolutely exist but this isn’t it
“Out indefinitely - Dishonor”
Very white guy makes up a list based on his own criteria of what makes a QB "honorable". Name of the index is quite rightly criticized. Accounts with few followers yell--Geno smith and Jordan Love are Black. We know. I bet you have a Jewish friend too. It's still a stupid name and stupid index
It's a stupid name for the QB rating given the historical context of how people have talked about QBs in the past. This guy has being running the "honorable" bit all off-season for every single position. Out of context you are putting the past historical sports writer transgressions on the author
The author should be smart enough to understand the context in which they are writing. You have a high brow audience for NYT content. But I get your point.
I think the author did. The social media team didn't. The social media post mentions the typical transgressions (scrambling) while the author doesn't take this stance at all. If you make no association with scrambling at all, then I don't think the Honorable description becomes problematic.
Josh Allen relies on scrambling all the time and then launches wild throws an inch from the sideline--hmmm...but he's still "honorable"---unlike QBs such as Lamar Jackson Wonder why? Is the answer "white" in front of me?
If you listened to the Ep you’d know that Lamar was in the next tier because he’s more responsible. Tier 5 is the borderline unhinged quarterbacks.
You calling my man Josh unhinged?
Yes, but that’s why he’s so much fun to watch! He doesn’t care if it’s a bad decision. He’ll probably do it anyway, and it will probably work because he is next level talent.
here is a hint for podcasters. if your framing or introduction is quite properly criticized---don't come back with a....if you listened to the episode...you'd know we aren't so bad and stupid...🙄 Focus instead, on giving me a reason to listen.
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh
Jesus, just say "White quarterbacks are the only real quarterbacks" and then shut the fuck up forever.
He also had Dak in tier 5, i.e. most honorable, so three white and three black QBs in top tier. Listen to podcast, it's his definition of what he thinks is honourable and pretty reasonable imo.
I wonder white else these guys have in common
???? lol someone has no idea what they’re looking at (it’s you)
well two of em aren't white so mostly what they have in common is their playstyle
It's telling that these guys have a combined singular Super Bowl trophy. Lmfao
Some real idiots in the replies here good Lord
Get fucked
This might the dumbest "new" stat in a long time
So fucking cringe
Das racist
Josh Allen? The man who whines to the ref when he gets touched is honorable? The guy who flops and fake slides? Gimme a break.
This is unbelievably racist like holy shit who thought this was okay? People should be fired over this psychotic shit.
Jesus Christ who thought this racist clickbait was a good idea
this is really stupid
log off nerd
I listened to this podcast this morning and this description is nothing at all how Derrik describes “honorability”. Social media team really unfairly putting him in the crosshairs here…
No disrespect
"How could we reinvent the paper bag test but for quarterbacks?"
This is a violation of Sportswriter Bushido. You know what to do
This feels.... icky and very white coded.
This is really impressive how racist you can be
If Sam Darnold ends up in your top 5 maybe go back to the drawing board
mighty white of you
Dogshit
On the latest The Athletic Football Show, The Athletic’s Derrik Klassen tiered the non-rookie NFL starting quarterbacks who are solidified starters based on how honorable their playstyle is. 🎧 Listen: podfollow.com/the-athletic...
It would have been nice if there’d been any discussion of Geno in the top tier. As the new Raiders QB there’s a fanbase who wants to hear more insight into him.
TAFS is the Adam friedland show
Pretty weird choice of words.
racist* choice of words
Definitely how I interpret that
Wut? How
Fairly easily if you just read the original post. It's poorly worded/framed
Naw it's people being too serious and quick to anger. It's a stretch to bring racism into it. If I didn't know the history behind Derrick's definition I would never look at that post and this "That's racist!" People need to chill on here
Yeah, that's how coded racism works.
2 out of the 5 listed are black!!
3 of 6* Prescott was in the same tier, but the graphic didn't include him. No one listened to the podcast.
The stretch to bring racism into it only exists because of the post' framing. The Athletic social team brought it on themselves. I'm not claiming it's racist, I just understand how this post is perceived that way. Two things can be true, the post is bad and the reaction is wrong
I suppose. They should've given a link to the article so it could be described in fuller detail. I just think that if the top player on the list was black or there were more black QBs than white, No one would say anything about it. But it's social media and maybe people would be mad anyway.
Holy fuck this is so racist. Being able to run is somehow being dishonorable. Man fuck whoever came up with this.
Seems racist to associate a specific style of play with a specific skin color...
How exactly is it racist to acknowledge 4 of the top 5 QBs in rushing yards last season are black?
Its probably not, but since thats not what anybody here did, its hard for me to judge...
You literally just said it was racist to associate black QBs with running lmao. But the stats back it up.
??????
The word honorable is racist, when the list is literally half white and half black lolol
If you see the words "honorable" and "dishonorable" and automatically assume "oh, they must mean white people are honorable and black people are dishonorable," it says a whole lot more about you than the person who made the original post.
You would have to be a grade a noob to not put this in context of the discussion between traditional pocket passers (tall, huge arm, historically white) and the emergence of high octane offenses run by athletic, scrambling QBs (often black). Sure there are exceptions on both sides but *come on*
Am I missing something? 2 of the 5 listed are not white
F your “honorable” racist tag. You’re fools.
Y'all absolutely deserve the ratio you're gonna get
At this very moment Fran Tarkenton is still scrambling, waiting for one of his receivers to get open.
Underappreciated post.
This is absolute horseshit.
The lead paint odor coming off this post is otherworldly
Scrambling and QB rushing yards are dishonorable? Dawg, this feels an awful lot like the silly af arguments made against the effectiveness of Black quarterbacks in the prior century.
you’re very stupid if you think this is racist. there are two black QBs in this list lmao
man you’re way too in these comments. the people that don’t understand aren’t going to be swayed. (also it is kinda hard to categorize josh allen, to be fair) i do hope TAFS put Rodgers in the bottom tier. i don’t listen but even prime Rodgers played in the least appealing way possible
i can never be Too In These Comments. it is my way. i must yell into the void at these goofballs. and yes, they most definitely did. they honestly nailed tf out of their list.
what
You gonna start measuring skulls too, or what
💀☠️
I’m fine with my QBs being dishonorable then, I guess
How?
Don't choke on that dog whistle, Goofy.
who the fuck wrote this. what does "specific offenses and throws" even mean
If you were a lobster they’d be serving you with lemon and melted butter in the replies
QB Sneaky Athletic Index next
Rush Limbaugh is smiling up at you
Nice
So the QB with the best OLine…mmkay🙄
This is either satire or a post that time travelled from 1975.
'Honorable,' lol.
Did a Klingon write this? I thought they only did foreign policy op-eds at the Times
Honorable? LMAO
I don't think you can fathom just how close I am right now to canceling my subscription. I mean this is...WOW...This is all but throwing it WAAAAY back to criticizing Randall Cunningham and Cam Newton, and Jimmy the Greek's logic... HOW did this get past the editor's desk??
Derrik Klassen, famously a hater of Cam Newton
you’re incredibly ignorant
Two of the top five guys on the list are black.
And three of them are white. It's almost like they created a metric to allow white QBs to be competitive (because they can't compete under the traditional metrics of QB success) and called it "honorable".
Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, etc are doing fine under any metric. It’s a goofy, made up “ranking” IMO but it wasn’t don’t to be intentionally racist or to prop white QB’s up.
oh so their intent is what matters (as interpreted by you)? /not/ how it scans to everyone else in this thread who read it?* *excepting the other three certified “racism identifiers” in this thread who declare otherwise
Yes intent matters. How is a breakdown of QB’s that is 40% black racist?
bsky.app/profile/jurv...
I know all about the history of black QB’s in NFL history. It sucks. That doesn’t mean this list is racist.
are you being willfully obtuse? you really believe that since black QBs are on the “honorable” list, that means it’s not racist to describe skills historically ascribed to white QBs as “honorable“?! how far back in your timeline will i have to scroll to find out how many black “friends” you have?
Let’s not do this.
If you play qb for the packers, you’re named an honorary white
Did you actually listen to the pod? Or just clutch those pearls
I don't wear pearls. They clash with my nails.
😂😂😂
The number of people projecting their own apparent preconception of black people as dishonorable and accusing The Athletic of racism is astonishing. They didn't mention race! Two of the top five QBs they listed are black! If you read "honorable/dishonorable" as "white/black," you're the racist one.
When there’s too much NFL offseason media for its own good.
WTF????????
did stafford’s wife come up with this dumb shit?
I’m not listening. Where’s the article I can read?
Your brain is bad and broken
Was this written by Bret Stephens or something?
So this is a list of QBs who depend on a system and not talent to win games? Why is that worth tracking?
Did you guys have a collective stroke or something?
Eat shit nerds
You gotta fire the social media guy for this one. The actual concept is fine but you framed it like a Charles Murray article
Some anti tush push bullshit, is it gonna be?
Take it you didn't listen to podcast then.
This group combined for 52 interceptions. Honorable anticipation indeed
