If Mark Carney had told voters he planned to drop retaliatory tariffs in order to stay in Trump’s good books (as he just did today), Carney simply would not be prime minister right now This is another incredible flip-flop from a guy who appropriated “Elbows Up” as his campaign slogan
Still never going to knowingly buy anything from them ever again. Or visit.
Cavin' Carney is at it again, all the spine of a jellyfish
He's not a "coward," he's a deliberately evil central banker, FFS!
You didn't actual listen to what Carney said. It's not a question. You didn't. I'm worried about media. Is "Press Progress" media or your blog?
You have no idea what you are talking about and Press Progress is one of the last honest award-winning news outlets, left.
I don’t want Canada to impose retaliatory tariffs. Taxing Canadians to somehow “punish” the USA is absurd. Canada simply needs to scale back trade with the US, and to develop other trade partners.
I'm following anyone who is using common sense.
I'm guessing you mean the real kind, not the Poilievre/Dumpster variety 😉
In an adversarial issue, sometimes you have to take a stand, sometimes you have to hit back, and sometimes you have to dial things down. Evolving situations require flexibility--not fence-post stupidity.
Bad faith me some more bullshit, Luke!
The USA has no tariffs on CUSMA goods...which is now Canada's position too. So...the tariffs are exactly retaliatory, no?
Is he on the Epstein list?
We are so, so screwed when the USMCA comes up for review.
No, by then we will have solidified other trade avenues with other nations. Trump will never ever sign another USMCA, he likes tariffs. So we need to stop thinking that things will ever be normal.
It is only on USMCA compliant items, the US had to do this as well. Because it is a violation of USMCA despite Trump’s bluster
As a Liberal I am fucking pissed off. I got involved in the party again because he said he would stand up to Trump. This is just crap. All our politicians are crap. He went back on his word.
Once Harper's banker, always Harper's banker.
The tariffs dropped were ones that were CUSMA compliant. If we didn't drop them, we were breaking CUSMA. Has nothing to do with Harper. Grow up.
Friday late in summer? This isn't an announcement they are proud of. In the context of C2 and C5 it's a space to watch.
to be fair Canada's not dealing with a coherent negotiating "partner"
If we do something else to retaliate, like shut off their electricity with #TrollingBlackouts, then this might be feasible. Otherwise, I think not. #cdnpoli
Pull patent protections from American software companies or those that block self repair or use of generics. Like John Deere. Amazon. Spotify. Facebook. X. Tesla. Printers. Break up their monopolies in Canada. Scrap Nafta 2.
But I can't even get the effing CRTC or Minister responsible to respond to my complaint about Fox News threatening to have the Republicans invade Saskatchewan, while they removed RT propaganda only days after Russia threatened to invade Ukraine.
Can't even get them to label the contents of cosmetics, like deodorant. Or label sugar content in spoonfuls instead of grams. Or have consistent readable expiry dates on food. Like December 15, 2026
Being from Sask. myself, how about we pressure Moe to tax potash going south to the USA?
Tariffs are federal jurisdiction I believe. Not sure if he can tax potash with PST that's meant for export. ICBW
I think we can put on export fees, I am not sure if that is what it is called. While it is a federal jurisdiction the Feds will be very careful not to override the Premiers.
We undercharge royalties. Easy for Moe to fix that, but he won't. Then Nutrien of whoever would pass the higher cost along, and Saskatchewan residents wouldn't get ripped off as much. #skpoli
Saskatchewan farmers do not need the Potash like the USA does. We have it naturally in the ground.
With industrial farming like in Saskatchewan too, potassium is depleted.
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U miss the obvious. Negotiations are complex. Lots of moving parts. It could never be as simple as pleasing Trump. He’s soon to be a lame duck. We are positioning for the long run. Don’t forget Canadians were pay the tariffs that were dropped. Oh. The CPC could never have won with PP
Then those people would have been sold out by Poilievre, who will be relishing this kind of backlash from the minority of Canadians. He will feed on this, and crank up the decisiveness as much as he can. Good work.
I don’t agree. He’s a centrist and Canada is doing well. It’s a volatile situation.
I'm less concerned about Carney matching the US position, on CUSMA items only, in the interest of getting a better outcome for Canada. I'm more concerned about self appointed Canadian 'progressives' making common cause with conservatives in misrepresenting what is happening.
I'd love to know how these armchair negotiators would get past Trump's admission that he wants Canada/will wage economic warfare. pp says that he would respectfully suggest that if Trump ends his tariffs, we'll end ours. As if. PMC took this mess on. He did not create it. Give him a minute ffs.
What is the misrepresentation?
My failure to observe the doctrine of prime ministerial infallibility
First, an overreaction to the PM matching the US position on CUSMA items only (leaving all other retaliatory tariffs in place) casting this inaccurately as a capitulation and betrayal. Now an overreaction to my post, invoking some false doctrine. The common threads are overreaction and distortion.
Overreacting or just accurately stating the facts?
The fact that all other non CUSMA retaliatory tariffs were left in place was ignored entirely. I don't see that as accurately stating the facts. To each their own I guess.
All this is new. Canadians will give him latitude because contexts change and the tariffs are hurting us more than the U.S. This has nothing to do with staying in Trump's good books - no one cares about Trump's feelings in Canada. He has no heart.
I think you are being disingenuous here and not giving all the facts. Only goods not covered under CUSMA are still tariffed by both the USA and Canada. We right now have a deal we can be thankful for. Trump will never re-sign CUSMA so enjoy it while we can. It is not a flip flop at all.
Make hay while the sun shines? We are builders. Fret not. The time is not wasted and we will not rest. 🫡 🇨🇦
Boy Canada. You should be as angry at Carney as normal Americans are with Trump.
You think they're equivalent?
The USA backed down in the face of our retaliatory tariffs. The USA did not put tariffs on CUSMA compliant goods. Of course Canada should respond to the deescalation from the USA.
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I dont agree. Its so easy to make broad generalizations when you are on the sideline. Carney knows more today than he did before he was PM. I trust his judgement.
He has more *power* today
Bingo! Caveman Carney
We don’t know if it’s permanent or temporary. If it’s simply one-sided caving, that’s bad. But if it’s a judo tactic to get the stupid enemy to what we want, it’s ingenious.
I'm not sure how long is appropriate to give the government on negotiations with the United States & China before declaring them a failure, not being privy to any discussions. I am sure it's time to set a deadline. I'll give them until the fall budget. #cdnpoli
Really, fall? It normally takes 18 months to sign a trade deal and that is when dealing with a sane country. When dealing with the USA a deal will never happen because Trump always breaks hem.
I voted for Mark Carney to deal with this trade situation intelligently, not to rant and rave and stomp his feet like other politicians. This matching has to be done. I agree with this move. Let’s all think of the long game here.
This was where I was at as well. As a layperson, I can't imagine what the ins and outs of international negotiations entail. I was hoping for someone who did and it sure wasn't Poilievre.
i was lied to by Carney. i fell for his elbows up campaign and voted for him. but never again. should have voted NDP
I was just listening to a few callers into CBC Cross Country checkup about the retaliatory tariffs being removed. One guy said that us having tariffs on CUSMA imports was poking the US in the eye and best not to do that now. It may feel good now but could harm us in the long run.
Weirdly, the media have been gleefully using elbows up, as instigated by Mike Meyers on SNL. And after parroting it for weeks..all those "elbows up boycott" stories are null and void now? Stop building narratives and report what happened. And once in while. Ask WHY things happen.
I'm reserving judgment until we actually have a deal. Obviously this is about the big picture, the USMCA. What's happening now is really inconsequential compared to renewing that beast.
There will be no deal. Trump does not abide by business as usual, he is a lunatic, sundowning fascist. Canada will be in big trouble if Carney actually believes the US can be trusted on anything until the Orange dickhead is out of office.
Or Ford, the corrupt double-talking Trump grifter
Do you think Carney doesn’t know how volatile and unreliable Trump is? Of course he does, he deals with his stupidity every day, the problem is that Canadian businesses need time to disengage with the USA and find new suppliers. Like it or not Trump can decimate our economy with one tweet.
I don’t agree. If tariffs are taxes on the Americans, it stands to reason that they’re a tax when applied here, too. I think this ultimately has little effect - many Canadians are still boycotting - but it’s another thing where we ‘give up’ something fairly light to be seen as being reasonable.
Boycotting America is the best solution, developing new trade corridors, meeting with new trade partners, this is all happening behind the scenes. Poilievre will love this kind of rhetoric that we have caved, this is a welcome back present.
Yes, harm reduction & descalation is a good path to take when dealing with psychopaths. Trump is looking for excuses to distract from Epstein & economic implosion. Those purity testing Carney while conservatives seek to destroy democracy in US & Canada will end up with a dictatorship? #CdnPoli
Tbh, a much better path is to retaliate. I mean, it worked with Putin
Putin is a monster, Russia is in ruin.
Yeah, I agree. Retaliation works
Hence why theyre now exposed as weak
No question mark required.
True, so why do I use questions?
It's a match, in a negotiation I don't see this as a bad thing. Meanwhile the PM and his ministers travels the world to work with others, eventually something will come from this and it's not like we need to know now, it takes time but needs to be done.
All Canada did was match the drop tariffs already under CUSMA that the US had already dropped. They didn’t give anything away. I get that we really don’t want to negotiate with Frump, it’s most likely pointless but someone has try to be the adult in the room 😂
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Sure he would have. Tariffs only hurt the consumer.
They hurt the ability of a discounted producer to access at market against slightly higher priced competitors as well. Carney siding with the US industrial engine here. We’re just the 51st economic state, on our knees without representation.
Most of our trade is CUSMA protected. US farmers can't afford potash & their heavy industry suffers as well. This is a waiting game. I'll trust the smart guy to do smart things.
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Carney needs to make a deal with China. Bring in China's ev's in exchange for some assembly and parts manufacturing. Stupid, not too. We need to stop protecting American jobs and antiquated technology.
Whole lot of boot licking in the replies to this.
I followed you. You have good stuff in your feed. But the idea that we shouldn’t honour CUSMA if the Americans do makes zero sense. You don’t have to love the right flank of the Liberal party. I get that. But this one is really a no brainer. Let’s not be knee-jerk partisans, like some countries.
Yep. If you are "proud" to be Canadian, if you defend any Canadian politicians, you're a loser and a bootlicker. I would quite frankly build a guillotine on Parliament Hill and free us from their tyranny.
Shallow take.
It’s elbows up against us! I am pissed!! he better pull a rabbit out of his ass soon!
Might makes right. Get used to it.
The pro Carney replies are just too much. Carney has objectively steered this country in a conservative direction and he has sought to appease what is a growing authoritarian regime. Completely the opposite of what he promised during the e campaign.
Thanks for your simplistic hot take. I certainly won’t be looking to PressProgress for thoughtful analysis about anything serious.
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Carney said retaliatory tariffs would be used if and where they made sense and for max impact on US and min impact on Canadians. This really isn’t an accurate portrayal of his campaign.
It’s probably not accurate but it is what was wanted. We wanted a giant “No”. But I expect that is too blunt-edged for the reality. Canadians should realize we are already making our biggest impact with our boycotts. Also, PMMC is in now. I’m a believer in giving him the time he won.
The time he won is at the pleasure of the majority of the House, which is not his party.
But his party IS in power?…
Because the majority hasn't said otherwise in the House yet.
What does that mean? “At his majesty’s pleasure “ Too Subtle for me
Saskboy is implying a no confidence motion will topple Carney. To which I say - no party will be rewarded for toppling a popular and successful government in a time of crisis. Second, NDP can’t even afford to run another election. Third, Bloc sure AF doesn’t want to risk it and 4 Cons can’t do it
I didn’t catch what he was saying but yeah no.
We'll see. I hope Carney starts to do better, so the CPC don't have a chance.
I finally blocked him. Nice guy but a total dipper who hates anything Liberal.
Agreed
Can't read it, they've blocked me like on Twitter.
I was listening to a political scientist who commented that Trump likely initiated the call as he doesn’t get on a call unless he requests it. Sounds to me that Canada’s response worked. Trump came to him, not the other way ‘round.
Actually Trump was about to shred CUSMA using the excuse that Canadá was tariffing CUSMA compliant products, which we were. Tariffs on both sides remain for steel and aluminium & wood! Same as 🇺🇸 Carney is smart, the boycott is in full steam so removing those tariffs is less of an issue!
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I understand the want ( we all feel it) but our job is to understand the full context. We fall too easily into thinking cusma is our get out of jail free card but in reality it’s up for renegotiation in July. And nobody in this country wants to know what happens to our economy if CUSMA goes bad
I feel like we just want to hear a big NO. We paid everyone to stay home during COVID. Can we not pay just the car workers and others to stay home while European deals were organised?
But we didn't pay everyone to stay home. The vast majority of the country was still working, at least part time. Many worked from home of course, but so many industries were designated as essential and ran minimal shifts.
I worked throughout myself. But support for the auto industry (an example) while they uncouple thé supply chain from the US was my thought.
200 billion on import and export
bsky.app/profile/faga... Gina this is a good thing to read
Auto manufacturing accounts for 128,000 direct jobs in Canada. The auto industry is responsible for over 550,000 direct and indirect jobs across Canada. For every one auto assembly job, approximately ten other jobs are created in upstream and downstream activities.
I’d say better we examine our own reasons for wanting that big no and whether they’re even in the best interest of Canada. I’m fine with it ( CUSMA should be tariff free) and Carney has not let us down yet so I am fine with seeing where he’s going.
I feel like I voted for Carney (except I didn’t but that I’m in Kitchener Centre: Green) but now that he’s in, I want to see what he does. Give him a chance with Mission Impossible. See what he does.
Thoughts on Libs' planned 32% austerity cuts over 3 years?
Well, years of austerity has ruined Britain. It also exacerbated rather than mended their financial woes. I’m not a fan.
There are no such *austerity cuts planned
In fact, there is... www.thestar.com/politics/fed...
In fact, this is not *austerity. Carney campaigned on reducing “operational costs” while NOT reducing any transfers to provinces or individuals.
I listened to the latest Power and Politics, and I have to agree that he needs to communicate why. It may be that he doesn't want to give any information away during negotiations. But if not, explaining why is crucial here. Ask Susan Holt to help with communications.
I don’t think he needs comms help - when he speaks he’s remarkably concise. I don’t know even if I think it’s a good thing for him to start dancing to the clamouring - that’s what really did Justin in.
I've listened to her explain things and LeBlanc explain things and Carney explain things. And they could really stand to listen to her style. She's extremely good at it. They're fine, but she's really good.
bsky.app/profile/faga... I think this is excellent communication
Communication is key. They have to address the fear. Don't be like Biden who dismissed fear about rising prices. He was correct about the increase in jobs and US economy envy, but that didn't help. Yes, Canada still has the best deal, but that truth unfortunately doesn't lesson the fear of job loss.
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Yes, it's very comprehensive which is good. What they need to do with questions and interviews is address the fear from the steel sector. They're worried about US steel coming into Canada and why we didn't match the US 50% tariff on it. Otherwise, the opposition will beat them to it especially PP.
That part I agree with- they need to get more assertive with getting themselves on air time to talk to Canada. Because the media isn’t going to do it.
Why are Canadians feeling betrayed by the Liberal Party?
I don’t feel betrayed, in fact I applaud what he is doing. P.P certainly couldn’t manage these difficult negotiations.
So you believe trump can be negotiated with despite him having torn up the results of his own previous negotiations
Absolutely not, I believe we need to stall. Trade deals can take 18 months, they are complicated. Until we can sign others we are actually a sitting duck to Trumps whims. He could slam tariffs of 100% tomorrow and we will not have any recourse, we would be decimated.
I would never have voted for him have I knew that Carney would bow down to the US on the streaming taxe on American streaming service, AND he's elbow down policy on tariff. I had never voted liberal before, and I will never again.
Oh? Who would you have voted for?
Then you have not been paying attention at all. The tariffs are not off on goods just on CUSMA compliant goods which is exactly what the USA did. It’s called negotiating and playing for time until we can get other countries to sign deals.
Carney campaign on tariff for tariff and he did the opposite when the time came. I did pay attention did you ?
Not the opposite, but not as much as he did say I will agree. But I also know that dealing with an unhinged, demented narcissist is a tricky business. I will give him time, we live in an era of ‘instant’ everyone demands instant results for complex problems.
Is that what happened though? I'm pretty certain that Trump removed the tariffs on CUSMA compliant good first. If so, then this is just mirroring the USA, not kowtowing to appease them.
That is correct, and this is reasonable.
You are correct.
On the bright side, 2015 was the last federal election run under first past the post, so nobody felt they had to vote strategically for this guy a decade later.
Nah. All he did was enforce CUSMA. Which is what we ultimately want as a final result. Why keep illegal trade tariffs on goods that we said were just fine under that agreement? Tariff them back in non CUSMA areas where appropriate or areas where Sweet Potato Hitler puts his focus.
What a bad take Luke. Thought you would be intelligent enough to point out that the dropped tariffs were those that were CUSMA compliant, making Canada in non compliance of CUSMA if they didn't do so. Not sure if you're ignorant here or being untruthful of your reporting. Pick a side.
Retaliatory tariffs are not the most effective tool, costing CANADIAN consumers more money. Tariffs remain on things outside of the CUSMA agreement, such as steel, auto, & lumber. Carney's elbows, pointing a different direction, are still up. If removal of tariffs brings the best deal, do it.
Will you still say that if Trump drips the tariffs?
You're joking right?
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Yup and nobody would be doing any better. The USA isn’t negotiating its dictating terms. It won’t matter much who is representing Canada. Trump has his terms set and will get his way.
Has made missteps. Not clear yet if this decision qualifies. But listening to Poilievre yesterday, described by own party, as talking goofy when says he would have just set trump straight and met with world leaders who say "who?" It is clear why voters walked away from Cons.
I wouldn’t say voters walked away from the Conservatives when their share of the popular vote grew 7.6 percentage points from 2021. If they walked away from anybody, it was the NDP and Greens because strategic voting.
Good point. Cons didn't think thru their plan viz NDP.
Bullshit Luke. We matched the US, so who went first? that shouldn't be hard to answer hey!!
We matched the US when they just recently increased tariffs on Canada? Can you show me this?
Did you listen to the press conference? We matched the US as it applies to CUSMA, that was abundantly clear!!
We just had tariffs raised on Canada from the US, I thought we matched that? Or were we elbows down there? Have any other tariffs dropped from the US? Can I see those?
We never matched the 50% tariffs on USR steel & aluminum, and Drumpf just added a long list of products with those components. And we don't have 85% of our exports under CUSMA, it's closer to 50%. Carney has fucked around with the numbers on that. I'm so fed up with him.
If you're going to make such a claim back it up.
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Where does it say CUSMA in there?
Do yourself a favor and go back to CPAC and listen to the presser, the PM mentioned at least 10 times CUSMA!!! Nothing has changed outside of CUSMA, tariffs remain.
Who knows what Trump will be proposing next week, he’s an unreliable criminal.
And what comes off can easily be put back on by Canada as well!
Has this happened once since Carney took over as PM?
Nope, but what's the rush? We're dealing with a dangerous man, there has to be at least one adult in the room!
Wish there was one.
Adult?
Absolutely
There is that for sure!!
Go to his website pm.gc.ca and you can read his very clearly explained statement.
What a load of absolute crap The three paragraphs after “let’s be clear” are just straight up lies He hasn’t re-established free trade in the slightest He has re-established the free flow of American goods in to Canada. That’s it Nothing he has done has improved Canadian access to the US market
Poilievre thanks you for your help.
Then if you're so confident in your post maybe you could back it up?
Thank you. These arm chair prime ministers drive me crazy.
I’m equivocal about the retaliatory tariffs. If we are prepared to say that the American tariffs are hurting ordinary Americans, then we have to say that retaliatory tariffs hurt ordinary Canadians. Are The optics worth it?
I have no issue with Canadians continuing to boycott US goods when possible, while Canada honours the CUSMA trade agreement (since the US is). Our retaliatory tariffs should continue to be selected for maximum impact to the US and minimum impact to Canadians.
It is not. Don't be a drama king.
His ENTIRE campaign was Trump. That was it. Six months it and clearly there's no trajectory that anything is improving domestically.
Even if you believe Carney is playing 4D chess or have some esoteric take on tariffs, the fact is Carney misled voters Carney said one thing, then he did the exact opposite And not just on some obscure policy – on the single biggest issue in one of the biggest elections in Canadian history
Elbows up to winning the Lady Byng trophy
Lie? What lie? He said he'd get us the best possible deal. We've diversified trade to bypass the US. That is ongoing. It will take years to get rid of some US trade without bankrupting many Canadians. That is a reality.
Misleading voters is a Liberal tradition now. #ERRE #ElbowsUp #cdnpoli
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And most frustratingly, both of those lies will get us a Conservative majority government with PP as PM by the end of this effing terrible year! #cdnpoli
Hooray4noodles saw this and blocked me. Carney-stan. Like Suedoo and gisellaperl too.
You are an anti Canadian idiot, very ignorant of the seriousness of the moment.
Stopped following you, you aren't very kind, and your analysis of the situation is bad.
That is the plan. Liberals will be pretend opposition just like Democrats are in the US. Trump's authoritarianism is a global movement.
and what would pp have done differently? Even Alberta's Queen of measles agrees with Carney.
PP would be worse, faster. Danielle Smith agreeing with someone is a condemnation if anything.
Worse faster!?!? So this stupidity one month earlier bwahahaha LPC brain is wild.
One month? That's generous. I don't think PP would have waited a month to sell-out.
To be clear your defence of PM Capitulation is that he waited 5 months to sell out his country rather than 1 month? The fuck is wrong with you?
I think you may be confused. I'm not defending Carney.
No one has been "sold out".
I can tell your a Liberal because you have nothing interesting or useful to add to the conversation.
What is your game here? We need Canada to unite and defend against the evil men ruling America and Russia, on our borders and salivating over what we have. It is fucking stupid to be trying to play petty politics right now.
Petty politics to point out when the PM lied? We're supposed to be better than the Americans, not act like them. What Canada unites behind is important, it cannot be sell-outs like Moe and Smith.
If you want unity, help get the Liberals to take Fox News propaganda threatening invasion of the prairie provinces, off Canadians cable and satellite providers with me, instead of saying stupid crap like I'm anti-Canadian.
Tearing down Carney just strokes your own ego at this point, it won't change what he does but it will help FOX news to fracture opinions against him. He needs our full-throated support championing Canadians against the evil in the White House. I can't imaging facing off against that vile thing.
If he wants full-throated support, he needs to act in the best interest of all Canadians.
Are you paid propagandist for Fox news? There was no lie, he is in serious negotiations with a volatile nutjob who would be happy to destroy Canada, happy to start a war so there are no elections, looking to extort money from us. You don't have the inside scoop, what the threats entail.
Where is the lie? Are you referring to ‘elbows up’? Elbows Up is a metaphor for ‘keep your guard up, the other team is playing dirty’. That many of us interpreted it as ‘be aggressive’ only means many of us didn’t understand the metaphor to begin with. PP of course will try to paint Carney as weak &
indecisive. Choose to fall for that shit if you like; it’ll say more about you than about Carney. Importantly, that choice will say more about you than about PP, who deserves all the ire this country can dish out. He’s playing the same despicable game 🇺🇸 republicans have played for 50 yrs: our base…
is a collection of intellectually stunted racists with nil critical thinking skills and a rabid hatred of the left. As long as we’re trashing liberals we can get away with anything. There is no one better to be leading 🇨🇦 thru this existential threat. That he adapts is a feature not a bug.
Adapting to an entirely different approach than what he was elected to do, is a lie.
Things change.
DST situation didn't change until he folded to Trump's tweet.
So you’d prefer what? That he stick to the same strategy, one that’s now clearly going to fail? You’d prefer that he go toe to toe with an adversary that is orders of magnitude more powerful in all the ways that matter, and has proven he has no interest whatsoever in good faith negotiation?
I'd prefer he stick it to the USA. Ending DST, and folding at plenty of opportunities, while also not doing #TrollingBlackouts, is not okay. And now he's not responded to Fox News' threat to invade the Prairies.
So, he knowingly pitched a strategy that was going to fail, or didn't have the foresight to see that it was going to fail, Mr.Master Negotiator; Mr. Masters in Economics. Keep me up to date on the latest copium spin.
What, are you just now learning that smugness is not a strategy? It would be the first time for a Canadian.
WTF are you on about?
"Our strategy is our innate superiority as Canadians" is not a good strategy.
No, our strategy is let's not allow ourselves to descend into the hideous hell Americans are in. But I have to say, I was brought up on movies about heroic American patriots going to any lengths for their great democracy and it is absolutely shocking to see how quickly and easily this has happened.
That tankie dumbass blocked me ages ago.
Dumbass for certain but I had to look up tankie 👍
Whoever it is was blocked or blocked me.
Campaign left, govern right. Every fuckin time. It's okay to hate them for this.
The Liberal copium is at peak levels, and running low. There's no real defense of Team Elbows Up and Pants Down rescinding tariffs when the bulk of their campaign was literally all about retaliatory tariffs.
He misled us again today claiming he is matching the US tariffs. From what I understand he is not matching the US tariffs on steel, aluminum, etc. And at this moment that actually makes me angrier than the possible long term strategic shifts re counter tariffs. Also, Cdn businesses need to buy Cdn
That is clearly not what he said
still negotiations taking place on those. CUSMA compliant goods is what he took tariffs off to match what he’s been able to get consensus on from the Americans. Which is 85 percent of goods traded with US. Now they continue negotiate on auto etc.
When he said he was matching the US tariffs, he didn't differentiate between them. He could increase our tariffs on steel etc to match the US, then bargain to get them removed on both sides. I don't think we've gotten anything from all our concessions.
Well CEOs of auto sector don’t agree with you. Just watching positive CEO on power and politics about continued negotiations.
I don't agree with CEOs of our auto sector on many things.
Sounds like you don’t agree with anybody
Part of the support for Canadian steel and aluminum is that govt. contracts need to buy from Canada. Steel and aluminum were never going to be equal, they are too intertwined and it hurts Canadian businesses who have to buy back products from the US made from Canadian steel and aluminum
The issue for me is Carney glossed over all of the concessions Canada has made by claiming he is matching the US. I rewatched his statement and he does in fact specify matching on cusma-compliant goods but that still leaves a big hole.
The tariffs on steel and aluminum stay. Please learn more about this. The US and Canada dropped the tariffs on the same things. No one misled you. This is a good outcome of negotiations with a fascist idiot who has dementia
In order to maintain the value of his net worth Carney must take a knee to Trump. Lickspittle
Gee I wonder how many Conservative Premiers are whining to drop the tariffs and putting pressure on the govt. I know Moe is and so is Smith and both of them have the ability to add tariffs to oil and potash going south. Both of them have put US liquor back on the shelves.
Canadians voted him in to avoid being led by PP not because of one promise or another.
I'm trying to figure out what the right take on this is. "Yes, to some extent" is where I'm landing. He did hold out for several months, but is now capitulating to the idea that Canada doesn't actually have much power over the U.S. unless potash and nat res. are on the table, which they evidently
aren't. That said, if a deal is close and this is an indicator that we're getting something in a few weeks, it's not a loss and it's not really a misrepresentation. If we don't get anything until this CUSMA renegotiation in 26, then I think you're right.
CUSMA is dead, it will never be renegotiated because Trump likes tariffs. He is a divide and conquer man and will not deal with both Mexico and Canada because then he cannot play one against the other. The best we can hope for is a low tariff rate.
47 imposed tariffs across the board but the US trade court overturned it on May 28, so the US dropped tariffs on CUSMA compliant goods shortly after. Canada didn't until now.
Wonder what Pierre is gonna say about all this...
In the meantime we can continue to sell our data to Americans tax free. We'll crackdown on the border looking for phantom fentanyl. Ordinary Canadians spent more to support local, we cancelled trips, we're willing to sacrifice, meanwhile in boardrooms and at Parliament Hill.
seemed like he is just matching the tariff exemptions. The only person misleading people is you
And what does Canada get in return for this? If I’m trying to sell you a house and I give you the yard before we’ve sat down at the table, I’m not gonna get much money for my house.
He just matched the Tariff exemptions on the agreement, he didn’t give him anything that wasn’t already exempt. Elbows up doesn’t mean, don’t negotiate at all.
and he didn’t remove all the tariffs. Now we can agree that negotiating at all with a madman isnt easy but regrettably he is the President. Negotiating any deal is a back and forth endeavour.
and it was the same exemption that Trump had given. Carney isn’t removing all tariffs
I would argue that negotiating anything with orange boy is most useless but you still have to try
You're right. We put an expert in power to do this work because he understands this job better than any single one of us would. We're not going to hash out a sensitive matter like this on social media, it won't work that way.
I’m repeating myself, I guess. What did we get from him in return for this?
he basically gave him things already exempted. He basically followed the agreement already there. You are making a mountain out of a molehill
And it’s not like it, anything is permanent. For God sake, nothing is when trying to negotiate with Frump.
You mean we dropped them because ehe dropped them after using them to extort concessions out of us. We didn't ask for literally anything in return. Also what deal. There's no deal, you yourself say that further down when saying nothing with trump lasts.
we are are buying or selling a house, they are negotiating an agreement. That means give and take
Carney has collapsed to fascist thugs and you're thrilled. You have zero integrity. You're an embarrassing disgrace. A fucking coward and a quisling.
We get sweet fuck all.
I love conservative tears. I’m gonna be high for a week on these comments. 😉
And who is paying those retaliatory tariffs? I voted for Carney because he has a brain. Is Carney perfect? No. But i dont feel misled, i know all negotiations require adjustments. Not being able to change course is not a sign of strength.. just look at Poilievre, STILL spouting the same slogans
It might be inaccurate to say that he misled voters - in policymaking you can go in fully intending to implement one policy and when circumstances change it becomes clear what's in the best interests of your constituents is to shift to a new policy.
How's it inaccurate to say that then? If I vote for someone to pass x rights and they pivot because of circumstance to pass x restrictions, the reason I voted for them is gone. No circumstance so large exists as to flip on an issue, approach it from a different angle sure, but to flip, no.
I get what you're saying and I agree, but, he also has to think about everybody those tariffs affect and the wider health of Canada as a country, right?
He was elected because people don't like pp.
You mean, the selfish conservative investment banker is a liar?! I'm shocked!!
BS
Eff MC
Let's not forget that the government was toppled after the Supply and Confidence Agreement was torn up by the NDP after the Liberals used 107 to suppress workers' rights during the rail strike. Within weeks Trudeau was gone and we headed for an election. They used 107 on the AC workers last week.
Tried to use 107! Yay CUPE.
I don’t recall hearing him say I will just tariff him right back … what he said was he would take Trump on to protect Canada … build us up and away from reliance on USA… he is doing that … it sure won’t happen overnight… he also said there would be some tough times going ahead to reach that goal …
I must have missed the part on the campaign trail where Carney said "im going to impose permanent tariffs on the US, make no attempts to negotiate, and dig my heels in despite potential long term negative implications for the economy".
🙂 What he promised was to protect 🍁 interests & we elected him, trusting in that. So far I see a good-faith government, working hard in the face of scary global trends & despite having to negotiate with an unpredictable trade partner 🇺🇸. Carney has economic smarts/skills, my bet is he using them.
We have to watch how this plays out. There is no “negotiating” with Trump. He’s a terrorist.
Would more details about specific items be nice, yes. But tariffs like those on dairy are irrelevant, not only has the US never hit those quotas but Canadians won’t buy American dairy. Other things he campaigned on expanding trade ✔️ investment in military ✔️ Investment in infrastructure ✔️
I'm afraid to ask this question, but why don't they?
Regarding American dairy?
Yes
Too much hormones & antibiotics, imo. At least that's how I recall the issue settled out in... the 90s?
Still is which is why puberty ages/hormonal issues have become much more common there
I doubt that. There are too many factors involved to point to one single cause.
Never said it is the only one
The USA refuses to meet the regulatory standards of our 🇨🇦 eggs or dairy. It's really their issue, not ours. The companies want more profit I guess so they never even meet the minimum imports. They have eggs down there you have to cook all the way through or risk getting sick.
It's a marathon, Luke.
Right now I have a hard time believing PM Carnage would win a game of checkers played against my dog.
He sure did. People should have known when #CorporateCarney self declared himself “ the only one to deal with Trump’s tariffs”. This is the sole reason he won. Not only did he fail, the tariff rate was increased. Why would anyone vote for a banker? cc: @mark-carney.bsky.social
You’re jumping on the negative bandwagon pretty quick. I suggest you try and follow the playbook and see what he’s up to because this is an ongoing negotiation with a demented mad man at the other end of the phone line.
We'd be the 51st state of PP got in. So fuck right off with this shit.
you could hold your government accountable to why they were elected, instead you play this weird game of hypotheticals to justify your party line. stand for nothing, fall for anything
Damn did the centrist disappoint by not fighting hard or living up to their promises? Damn that's shocking. Do you think disappointment in them could fuel more people towards the far right? No way... Hopefully he remembers to blame the left so we can fix all this.
You know that the Liberal election platform is? What ever they think will get them elected but have no intention of actually doing.
Negotiations are about give and take. Carney dropped these tariffs to match the US. This also lowers costs for canadians. Carney is a strategist who thinks long-term / big picture. We're not privy to his strategy and talks with trump...he knows the stakes are big.
The problem with your logic is you're assuming he's negotiating with someone who can be trusted to keep his word. Trump can't. If Carney does manage to make an amazing deal it will last ~1 week because once some analyst on Fox and Friends starts saying how Canada fleeced the us, trump will bail.
We can't keep giving trump everything hoping someday he'll act in good faith. We've already lost untold billions of dollars for basically nothing.
I don't think we've given trump anything worth while. None of us know what he is asking for. My guess is he wants major access to our rare earth metals, gold, oil, coal and lumber. Trump wants every country bowing to him
Uh........ You're either a naive obsessed Carney fangirl or an incredibly ignorant person living in a tiny bubble. Or both.
We’ve given Trump nothing. And fwiw that level of personal insult to Trish is unbecoming Twitter behaviour
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Go fuck yourself!!
I made no such assumption. No where did i state trump can be trusted. Carney must negotiate with trump...we have no choice. Negotiating and trump abiding by the deal are two different things.
That's ridiculous.
How would you handle the Unpredictable Orange Mad Man. Go on, have at it, I'm dying to hear from the backseat drivers who have no responsibilities.
Carney will be our Neville Chamberlain
I respect your opinion, but this is hopelessly naïve and reactionary on your part. These negotiations are much more nuanced and fraught than you’re giving anybody credit for. Especially when dealing with a psychopath who takes umbrage at every slight.
It always amuses me that people expect a PM to stick rigidly to past positions after circumstances change significantly. Can't win, adapting is wrong, not adapting is wrong. The key to all this is CUSMA and the US is abiding on most of it and where they are not, Canada still has tariffs.
ELBOWS BACK DOWN BOYS, the governor of Canada says so. lol. What a defence. Liberal partisans are absolutely soulless.
Further to this, it just proves these incels never wanted a "conservative" government, because Carney is literally a fiscal conservative and doing exactly what a leader w/ conservative ideologies would do. They voted for a brand called "Conservative" w/ colours & logos that made them feel horny
That's because PP and the CPC aren't conservatives. They're the old Reform Party. Carney is a blue Liberal/Red Tory. He's fiscally conservative but still socially progressive (which is why they hate him)
The US also dropped these CUSMA Tarrifs but these Rage Farming losers who are still bitter about Canadians voting with their brains instead of their far-right algorithms wont let us take a break from their constant grift of hating everything about our Country
Captain Obvious here: Reducing or eliminating Canadian tariffs on non-strategic imports BENEFITS Canadian consumers because it makes those imported goods less expensive. The current tariffs aren’t necessarily helpful.
2/ They were imposed in a rush to respond to Trump’s actions, but many don’t actually move Canada’s interests forward and actually hurt ordinary consumers. Give Carney the chance to adjust Canada’s economic policies so they actually protect Canada and advance its interests in beneficial ways.
The assertion here is not backed by any evidence. I don’t believe it’s a flip-flop either. It’s a negotiation. I’m starting to feel like I did when no one gave Trudeau any credit for anything. It was constant bashing. It’s not helpful. We need more information and less opinion.
US tariffs are stupid because they hurt US people and US economy. Canada must do the same to Canadians and Canadian economy! Is that the idea ?
Chinese examples showed the best way to hurt US economy is export to US ban What if Canada bans export of potash and electricity to US? Sure, US can make more themselves, right?
Actually we voted for Carney because we thought he was the best choice to navigate the troubled waters facing the country given the assault from the south. He was and is that, by a country mile. I don’t get what these ridiculous takes are meant to accomplish.
Uh, they express what many Canadians feel, including a lot who voted Liberal….
Then they are not paying attention. We are dealing with a narcissist in the White House, who changes with the wind. The only safety we have is CUSMA and all Carney did was drop tariffs on CUSMA compliant goods, exactly what Trump did a few weeks ago.
Digital services tax gone
Does that bother you?
Yes.
Yes, and yet unless we keep Trump in his box while we try to get solid deals with other countries we will not win.
JFC people. 🇺🇸 is vastly more powerful in every way than we are. It is currently run by a lunatic sociopath who is fully incapable of doing anything in good faith. He’s proven he’s only going to deal favourably with those who acquiesce to his demands. His objective is annexation, his strategy is…
complete economic dominance. We’re profoundly fortunate to have a PM so well respected & connected in the UK & Europe bc that’s where our future lies. Carney evolves his approach because that’s what any intelligent, sane person does when faced with an unpredictable, changing environment.
Wow you really are an idiot. Carney isn't some patron saint of economics... He's a banker who is reinforcing trickle down economics stealing the future from Canadians in exchange for American CEO profits.
I don't know. Seems more likely he can count. If having a p*ssing contest with Trump is more expensive than not, and we need to rapidly expand, innovative and stockpile, it's not a terrible idea to ignore a low rate of USA tariff/corruption/grift with regards to trade. For now.
The issue is trump isn't a spreadsheet, he is a person, he has extorted us successfully multiple times and we just gave up without even a request of something in return. It may make sense on a spreadsheet but it doenst when talking about people, especially aggressive people.
True. That being said people learn best when a response is immediate. Ours was a bit slow and the effects were/are hard to trace back to Canada through the noise. The USA has yet to feel the full effect of tariffs. It's coming but slowly. We on the other hand lost big during tariff threats.
So the problem is: the USA tariffs are a tax on USA citizens and those tariffs will cost us in Canada more than the effect on our exports because a weak USA is bad for Canadian buisnesses which we need to be strong, or we can't uncouple economically from the USA. Uncoupling is endgame.
The question eventually becomes: are counter tarrifs an expense we can afford, especially when the USA is about to punish itself? How do you prevent your neighbor running over his own foot with a lawnmower?
Canada really is the 51st state
Come on Luke, look outside of the box.
US dropped the same Tarrifs. Do some research instead of rage farming
The US extorted billions in concessions out of us through those tarrifs, we got nothing in return.
The US government is rushing headfirst into autocratic fascism. We should be decoupling REGARDLESS of whether Trump was a trustworthy negotiator (he isn't).
Yup.
I'm okay keeping inflation low and screwing the Americans by boycotting their products, too bad I'm still buying US gas, because Alberta can't refine enough for BC.
True. The boycotts are exponentially more powerful than a tax on a small amount of imports. Vegas-dead. Kentucky bourbon-dead. Border shopping towns-dead. Tariffs can't come close to that level of effectiveness.
Carney still hasn't figured out he's negotiating with a criminal mob boss and not a businessman or politician. Canada is going to be tied tighter to the USA than before so he can protect his wealthy friends from any financial hardship. I regret voting for the soft cock more every day.
Thanks for helping Poilievre with his rhetoric, I guarantee his people are watching, and honing their divisiveness. They are going to feed on this for months.
I am glad you think that you believe that Pierre is paying attention to my account. Carney turned his back on the progressives, who got him elected and decided to return to his PC roots. Negotiating with fascists is a red line regardless of cost for me. Enjoy capitulating.
Do you honestly think that you understand Trump better than PM Carney does? To what do you attribute your brilliance?
Why do fancy yourself so much stupider than Carney?
The PM is smarter and has more relevant experience than either of you.
But why do you consider yourself such a moron though? The inability to form coherent thought without leaning on one person indicates a lack of something…
And you have absolutely nothing intelligent to add. Just part of the Carney cult. No different than the moronic MAGA cult. A wasted vote that will never occur again. At least Pierre was honest about the shitty ideas he had. Carney is a Trump's gimp.
This is hardly a concession. "In this context and consistent with Canada's commitment to USMCA, I am announcing today that the Canadian government will now match the United States by removing all of Canada's tariffs on U.S. goods specifically covered under USMCA," Carney said.
Spot on Mr Berlinsky
Carney is not ready for what's coming. He has been flat footed the whole time. What did he get for dropping tariffs,the DST,passing security laws that will adversely affect Canadians for American interests,or abandoning a climate mitigation plan? Tariffs on Chinese EVs is hurting Prairie provinces.
Canada only dropped retaliatory tariffs against goods for which the US imposed no tariffs. The DST legislation was flawed and needs to be rewritten. The PM has not abandoned climate mitigation, and Bill C-2 on Border Security has a long way to go before passing. Your claims are greatly exaggerated.
You believe that this is simply about trade and economics. When in an abusive relationship, you don't stick around. You leave. Breaking up is always hard to do and can be finacially painful, but you do it for your future. Giving up Canadian values incrementally is a horrible choice.
In 2024, the total goods and services trade between Canada and the US was estimated at $909.1 billion. This included U.S. exports to Canada valued at about $349.9 billion and imports from Canada totaling around $411.9 billion. This isn't something to walk away from without an acceptable alternative.
How do you know carney is not ready? What did he get dropping the tariffs? Less costs for canadians, ergo holding inflation. Negotiations are give and take. Carney is no fool.
What if, for second, we consider he actually is.
What if, for a second, we consider the possibility that the earth is flat?
Trump will use American security as the excuse to annex southern Canada. He moves fast. He uses the military against his own country. Funded ICE with more than most country's militaries. We need a Canadian controlled nuclear arsenal and break ties until the USA no longer resembles like Nazi Germany.
ICE will be used to silence any opposition in America, and military will be used to take what they want. China is no worse than America. In fact, it is better in most metrics. Converting to green energy incredibly fast, building high-speed rail,investing in universities to develop their resources.
America is trying to remain in the 1950s. Why would we tie ourselves to that backward thinking? When temps will be +4°c in 50-60 years, there is no time to change. That is extinction level temps. I don't have rocket or 200ft yacht money. Forcing discomfort is the only path to change.
Yes, I do. Carney is used to playing by business rules. Who does Trump respect? Xi,Putin,Kim,Orban. Strongmen. Carney is weak. Giving up leverage repeatedly with no return. Bending over for a fascist authoritarian is weakness. Trump loves humiliating Carney and calling him nice.
Good Grief you are not paying attention. And FYI Carney stated in the presser that Canada is moving away from the USA. Do you think that can be done in a blink of an eye? We need to keep the USA close until all the other deals are in place.
He caved on the DST with no return. Cut tariffs once again with no return. Cut the carbon pollution tax with no replacement plan. Bailed on affordable housing. Carney says all kinds of shit and yet his actions show he will bend. At least his daughter is back at Harvard this year.
the USA had tariffs only on non CUSMA products so we did the same. The Carbon tax was done because the majority of Canadians wanted it gone. People whine when Govt. listens to them? Housing is under municipal and provincial jurisdiction and cannot be controlled only by the Feds.
The consumer carbon tax is gone, but the INDUSTRIAL carbon tax (the far more effective one) remains.
Yup
Pretty sure he has figured it out.
Really, how so? Implementing PPs policies, increase the military as per Trump, draconian border and security laws, removing environmental regs and pissing off indigenous people? Not what I voted for
The Carney cult is just as brutal as Trump's and not dissimilar. Carney is Trump's bitch.
Time to do some research and read the CUSMA deal as well as go over some of the agreements Carney has signed with the EU, Asia, Greenland and the deal they are working out with Mexico.
That's my weekend read!
Is it time I did some research? CETA,CPTPP, and ASEAN agreements were negotiated by PMJT, not Carney. There is nothing being negotiated with Mexico. It's a reset after Freeland wanted a bilateral trade deal with the USA. He signed an agreement to purchase EU defense equipment. That's it.
You expect trade deals to be signed after only 5 months in office? It takes at least 18 months to get those into place, the best we can hope for in this short time is trade talks. FYI the EU deal is important and should not be dismissed. Carney is our best bet for economic stability.
You stated the deals Carney had signed... not me. No Canadian should believe in negotiating a trade agreement with a country building concentration camps,turning the military on its own citizens, threatening Canadian sovereignty, and ignoring climate change. Money over morals.
Yes, I stand corrected. I do not like dealing with the USA either but I deal in reality not pipe dreams. We are intertwined no matter how we wish we were not, and until we can forge deals with other countries we cannot economically afford to cut the cord. Like it or not, the USA can decimate us.
We are dealing with a neighbour that is unhinged, corrupt and morally bankrupt. One slip of the lip, one misstep and Canada goes down the drain. We cannot fight amongst ourselves and so I am sure Carney has to walk carefully even with the Preimiers who don’t agree with sanctions at all.
Austria tried to appease Hitler... how'd that go? Proximity doesn't determine future relations.
This is just patently nonsense
Nope. He has it figured out.
Tarrifs were removed on CUSMA compliant goods only. Other retaliatory tarrifs remain. This matches Trump tariffs. We are 85% tarrif free. This has been done to try to get the negotiations going. In case you aren't reporting it, there is a global digital service tax coming.
You mean the digital services tax that Carney also caved on to try and restart negotiations? www.canada.ca/en/departmen...
That point seems to be lost on a lot of Canadians.
Luke's and excellent journalist but I think he missed it on this one.
