I’m also gen X. The MPs attached to the party are Corbyn, Sultana, Shockat Adam, Adnan Hussein and Ayoub Khan. Adam and Khan are both members of a parliamentary group that helps parents lobby against inclusive LGBTQ education in schools, while Adam has also spoken in favour of the gov puberty…
So 2 people to change their view. Gee, I wish that's all we had in the US. Whatever. You guys are right. Just start your own party and divide the left
It’s most of the prospective parliamentary party. Like I said, if you are unable to support LGBTQ rights, you were never on the left. If you want a genuinely left wing party, we already have one in the Greens. Corbyn’s just too prideful to admit it.
Corbyn has a bizarre blind spot that manifests itself as a kind of inverted racism where he is willing to overlook the faults of his colleagues *because* they are Muslim, and instead has suspicion of non-Muslims and Europeans, hence his euroscepticism.
Do you prefer him to everyone in conservative party or Labour PM
I prefer a great many people to any of those. But you’re presenting a false dichotomy.
…blockers ban. Khan is a self-described social conservative who opposes same sex marriage. He’s difficult to pin down specifically on trans rights, but clearly finds it difficult to overtly support them. So I’d tend to say 60% of those MPs are either overtly transphobic or inclined that way.
Obama and all Dems didn't support gay marriage until 70% of the public supported it. The gay community worked on that for generations. Did gay people stop supporting Dem party? No. They kept fighting to change minds. The other party was far worse. Its not all going to happen in a day.
In the time since this conversation last week, they've added an event more active transphobe to the party - Mark Serwotka: bsky.app/profile/slur...
Well lucky you live in UK where you can start a party
I’ll not be part of a party that throws my trans friends under a damn bus for the sake of “unity” or some other bullshit. I have a party that is pro trans rights. It has four MPs and will soon have a charismatic new leader. And a name. “Your Party” is lead by a man the electorate has rejected…
But aren't two of those four Greens MPs transphobic? I am not being funny but asking seriously as I've seen UK Green members on here quite upset about Ramsay and Chowns views on trans issues.
It’s a fair point; Ramsay said things that indicated that transphobes would be tolerated in the party and failed to clarify or retract, and Chowns as his running mate has declined to contradict. So it crap but at the lower end of this nonsense, and why I voted for Zack.
Thank you for answering but I still don't quite understand how one is different or worse than the other. But agree it would be a positive thing if Polanski wins the Greens leadership.
MPs associated with “Your Party” have directly called for segregation of trans people and the removal of LGBTQ+ education from schools. One Green MP has said that if people in the Green Party expressed similar views then they would not be removed. Neither is good, but one is worse.
This is why you in UK so lucky. You can just start a new party. In the US we basically only have 2 parties. Always voting for lessor of 2 evils, my entire life.
We’re still the least democratic country in Europe. The only other European country to use first past the post is Belarus, and they have a few more problems on top.
The tactic of division is very effective
If, as I would expect, Ramsay and Chowns lose badly, I’d hope these two MPs recognise that their position is not one that will be tolerated by members.
As a side note, Ramsay is such a disaster as co-leader that only 9% of *green voters* know who he is.
Oh yeah, that's pretty bad! I'm in Aus (used to live in UK) so still interested in UK politics and Ramsay seems like some of the bland centrist Greens MPs we get here. He seems like maybe he got lost on the way to a Lib Dems meeting! Polanski is a lot more interesting and energising
Ramsay would be more at home in the LDs, I think. Ironically, Sultana seems to have more in common with most greens.
Not actually true.
There you go. Start a new party. That will get it all solved
Fuck sakes you Yankee pillock. Can you read? I have a party - the Green Party, that has been established for 35 years. If any party is splitting the left, it’s the new one which doesn’t actually exist yet and has a majority of its prospective MPs wanting to remove rights from minorities.
I have admitted I'm not that up on UK politics.
…twice, leading a group of socially conservative Muslims who would reverse LGBTQ rights plus Sultana, who I have much time for but cannot carry the party by herself. It has no name and a clear policy on allotments but not on human rights, and is rapidly becoming farcical.
The ProTrans Rights Party you speak of has 4 MPs & a new leader soon ?. "Your Party" has 6 mps, Sultana outed it before it was registered despite being asked not to. You talk a lot about it & discredit it when its not even launched yet?. You have a ProTrans Party why the farcical obsession with YP.
Sounds very well organised and functional.
Its not led by 1 person. He wasn't rejected he was politically assassinated. If you have a ProTrans Rights Party why join a Party with only 6 MPs 2 of which you say' are not pro trans rights?. I hope your pro trans Party gains support with its new leader, in the near future & wish you well.
No, I say four of them are not pro trans rights because they have said so. You’re the one with the (non) name of the party in your name, so I think you’re the obsessive one.