Lists are a feature that allow users to create groups of accounts, for example, for curation. However, we’ve also seen lists be used for harassment.
Lists are a feature that allow users to create groups of accounts, for example, for curation. However, we’ve also seen lists be used for harassment.
Moving forward, lists and starter packs with insulting profanity, slurs, abusive terms, or unproven allegations will be hidden from other users in the Bluesky app (but still visible to the creator).
Thank you for keeping this platform safe
Hi, I've been put on harassment lists that people are subscribed to without being able to report the list or creator for harassment because the list is hidden and the creator has blocked me. Are you going to fix this at all?
Another day, another addition to a list I can't access and report if it violates ToS or puts a target on my back. By the time the bot I'm subscribed to notifies me I've been added to a modlist the creator of the list has blocked me so I can't see it. This is asinine.
So many of these.
Also, report the list to Bluesky as having malicious intent.
Bluesky only hides it and leaves existing subscribers subscribed. It doesn't stop people dropping through being weird
THAT is the huge problem, leaving people subscribed when lists are known as being hostile.
Yep. The list should be deleted if Bluesky's not going to hide it from subscribers. There's plenty I don't care about but I'm on one for "Cluster B Abusers and Apologists" as an example and that's getting into murky legal territory on top of being generally shitty.
I've been put on "leftist nutjob" and "right-wing troll" lists. Almost proud there's people who think that broadly of me. 🙇🏽♀️
I got put on a list called "dalit" in Hindi by a weird white woman :/ people are weird
Does that mean you'll be allowing metadata, such as links to the post that earned their position on the list?
I need to be able to remove myself from lists like this as well. I have been added onto some lists built to harass me. This shouldn’t happen here.
Correct, glad you are posting this also, I will be keeping record of these profiles and if BlueSky is not response, I have some other ideas, this has to stop. I am glad you posted this, it is bold, I did the same, resulting in some individual blocks, yet I knew that would be the case.
also because of the bit of content on their profile I have block this profile also just to show it help when speaking out thanks and it reminds of yet another thing, established user accounts should perhaps have the priv to create any lists for that matter, this is not one of those cases.
Absolutely agree. I’ve been here since the beginning when there were codes! If only they could figure out group messaging, I would completely get rid of Twitter.
Also yes, I have told them many times before they add features THEY think people want not features that people want... just simple editing of posts have been a highly requested feature... yet I said this what is happening would be the case and now that it is... a bad reflection they could've avoided
Agreed, a feature many requested. Ultimately by admitting as they did, if they don't resolve this, they are in transgression of regulations, so essentially if they don't resolve this regulators will be all over them.
thanks for this, I have added this also, but as you will see, these profiles normally don't have many people they follow / followed, btw, you are not added to the list they have.
I believe it is because they blocked me… but I’m still learning how this app works.
no that is fine, I get what you are saying, many are and this conduct from bad actors will push people away, just know there are good people here who will have your back, some of us don't take these callous disregard towards other well.
So many of us ended up on nasty lists because we have quickly grown our accounts but we are not noteworthy. It really disturbs so many. Why? We’re Not Selling Stuff. I’m here to connect to as many as possible who reject the maga premise of, you have to be rich, white & male to matter in the US.
I figured that making lists was the easiest way for me to see the people’s posts I want to stay on top of more often. It’s akin to my “notifications” from the hellscape. Please include notifications option!!!
They need to be visible to those targeted on the list too. Otherwise the targets are truly being victimized without knowledge.
Agree 100%
Agreed!
Agree.
There are lists in the Japanese language that I've never spoken to, quite a few making lists to target people. @support.bsky.team @safety.bsky.app
Yes, this. Thank you, Christopher.
How can we mark them for « unproven allegations »?
What will happen with existing lists? A great many politically motivated false accusations of antisemitism have already been perpetrated by wilfully dishonest Zionist users. Will these users be banned?
Tell you what bud. If you feel my researched 'conspiracy ' theories are unproven, if you feel my stress prompted vulgarity from watching my brethren hauled off to Venezuela is a problem to white bred sissies then just delete the account already. I've known long ago bluesky is the sidekick where
Sociable elitist bigots go to butter their bread while tweeting into a void about injustice and never leaving their estates to do shit.
Why are you allowing harassment lists to target bluesky users?! This is wrong!
ARE YOU EVER GOING TO ANSWER US?! WILL YOU CONTINUE TO IGNORE US?! I NEED PROOF OF LIFE THAT MODS ACTUALLY EXIST ON THIS PLATFORM! #MIAblueskyMods
Why allow it to be kept up rather than automatically deleting it and striking the account
This. It's redolent of Xitter allowing people you've blocked to see your tweets but not interact.
Sadly 🙃
How do you get peoples lists hidden!? I’ve been put on quite a few lately that I want no part of the people who use them….
Just let people make lists private
^ This. I've got so many damn lists i'd love to create, but don't want those made public for various reasons.
well, I have reported being added to lists defaming me for no reason, for quite some time, yet nothing done, posts I post... yeah I might as well not post at all... all thanks to this... still have those emails but pointless.
Thank you, BlueSky!! These nasty lists that innocent accounts are being added to truly is abusive. I appreciate the extra effort you made to protect us.
I hope you will confirm that regular profanity is still ok.
Thank you ❤️
@safety.bsky.app how do we report lists which plainly breach these rules, and what is Bluesky's planned turnaround time for shutting valid reports down after they are reported?
I report the creator of the list.
ive done this several times with zero response
Yeah, this exactly. I had just assumed I was doing something wrong.
nope bsky moderation is just full of room temp iq morons who ban ppl for stupid shit but ignore actual issues
The other thing that annoys me about lists is they don't allow for any context. So let's say you want to create a list which says "these people exhibit these traits, consider for yourself whether that's cool". I would OBVIOUSLY want to justify that rather than just arbitrarily put a name on there.
Perhaps you could allow adding a note to list entries to let list makers explain why they added someone in the list.
Please delete the lists altogether, or allow us to approve appearing on any lists.
YES!!! Excellent!! 👍 Fantastic idea!!!
so does this mean you’re finally going to ban ipwnedu.bsky.social for their lists?
THANK YOU.
Without using a 3rd party tool, we can't know what lists were on, and most importantly, we can't report them. But also, I've been using a "blank" account to see what's up and report, it doesn't seem to have any effect.
This is great. Thank you!
If we are on a list we believe is used for harassment or unproven allegations, can the Safety team remove us from said list?
What about when someone adds you to a block list, and there is ZERO EVIDENCE that you've done what you are being accused of? This is highly problematic.
Does this include lists which are just wrongly labelled and being used to get decent people blocked? I’m thinking of the lists compiled, for example, by @brainnotonyet, which have been reported numerous times.
For example. This imo is abusive use of the feature and should get someone banned.
Exactly. I’m also on all those lists because I called him out for putting someone else on his list. The fact he chose to add me within seconds and not correct his mistake or even enquire further tells you all need to know about him.
I’ve never interacted with the account and I have no idea why they added me. But I’m clearly not a far right account.
how about the people who just use evil emoji to describe the titles and then add you to them daily?
⏺️ Will there be active notifications to users, if lists are affected? ⏺️ Is there more detail on the criteria? I maintain lists called „Trolls“ and „Fascists“ to remember what I block people for. Others will do that to troll or confuse. How do you intend to tell this apart?
which doesn’t mean they won’t be used for nefarious purposes, but it is a terrific improvement
that's nice, but also, we really need a better way to obfuscate the names and descriptions of lists intended for fully private use.
also, gates for listmutes/listblocks for lists specifically designated as not for anyone else to subscribe to, just like there are gates for replies.
Right now, a person we have blocked can add us to a list. That seems like harassment to me as well, which this change doesn’t seem to address. Just because they’re hidden doesn’t make user safe from them, because you let people we blocked add us to lists.
Lists and starter packs used for harassment will not be visible to other users in the Bluesky app. Existing subscribers will remain subscribed to the list.
Is there an easy way to see which lists or starter packs you are included in and does an individual user have any control (ie can they remove them selves from a list or starter pack)?
No-one has answered the second question. How can you remove yourself from a list or a starter pack (especially if the list/pack creator has then blocked you)? Surely a user ought to have control over the lists or starter packs that they appear in? @bsky.app
clearsky.app
Thank you! Someone showed me my page on this a while ago but I didn't write it down and forgot it. Cheers
Careful. The teenage edgelords will have you on a couple of dozen lists with puerile names for this kind of sanity.
Please give people the ability to remove themselves from lists! Blocking the creator of the list should remove me from the list!
So your response to an abusive list is to push it underground and cement the damage it had done...?
I don't really give a shit what you think on this matter; the only acceptable way to deal with a list that YOU HAVE FOUND TO BE ABUSIVE is to undo the blocks, unsubscribe everyone, delete the list, and MODERATE THE ACCOUNT.
Hey @safety.bsky.app why are you still refusing to delete abusive lists and punish their creators?
Can you maybe start with deleting lists that belong to suspended accounts? I'm on a load of defamatory or incorrect lists as shown on clearsky that I can't report because the authors have been removed. A bit of housekeeping wouldn't go amiss.
So does this mean I can make a private list seen only by myself, by just making its title very rude? Also, I thought that on BlueSky you could remove yourself from a list by blocking the list owner. From reading the rest of this thread and replies, I now realise you can't remove yourself like this!
Why can you banned these ppl from the app & remove me from these vile lists. 🤬
I'm sorry A list used for harassment is going to still be allowed to exist? Just "hidden"? And you're still not going to give users a reliable way of getting themselves removed from libelous lists?!
You need to let us remove ourselves from lists. You can't make a system where anybody can put anybody on any list for any reason with any description and title and then give the people put on those lists no way of protecting themselves from the inevitable libel. Ditch the lists. Entirely.
If a list exists for harassment, IT SHOULD BE REMOVED. Not "hidden". Removed, and its creator banned. Period, full stop, no questions, no warnings. Stop enabling harassment. Give us the ability to remove ourselves from lists. And ban Jesse Singal.
That's the way to do it. I don't really understand lists etc but it's a joke how trolls can just add us to awful lists to get us wrongly blocked/attacked by others. And once that damage is done, too bad, they win - we can't message everyone and say "you can unblock me, I'm not really a porn bot".
One of the bigger issues of Bluesky.
This is the problem exactly stated. The Bsky lists enable the toxicity they claim they want to avoid.
Correct, they should be removed & since I for one have sent email to them, well, not much so seeing that @safety.bsky.app are aware, I will give them time and if still nothing then I will follow other channels (I deal with CTI and SE)... but correct by allowing this they transgress regulations.
I was added to a block list by a blocked user after I blocked the account. How is this still possible?
Same issue. Absolutely nothing is being done to protect us. Just talk! No results. I just got added to a list today: Accounts That Report Conservatives.' This platform is turning into XShitter 2.0! No mods are monitoring or helping with harassing accounts! #MIAblueskyMods
Will existing subscribers to hidden lists be able to see these lists and unsubscribe? Or is this basically the "troll list owner deleted their troll list, now everyone is blocked forever" situation in a different shade of shit?
Hi, I've searched for support on Bsky & can't find a place to report an issue. I've attempted to tag some of our senators & all of their addresses come up as "invalid address". Just for you to try; try Senator Adam Schiff, Senator Sanders. Thanks for your help. 🙂
@amsred.bsky.social
Allow us to be automatically removed from lists of creators we have blocked.
But you're not going to remove people who use that feature to try and make other people kill themselves?
Will someone who we have blocked be able to add us to these lists? Just because people can’t search for them doesn’t mean the owners can’t still add people trying to escape by blocking. Thanks for not reading any of my feedback. 🙄 I expect more generic response emails.
If your list is hidden, you can edit it to comply with our terms, then email moderation@blueskyweb.xyz for review. Our aim is to address toxicity while preserving list functionality.
you havent provided a clear path for users to address these things. The listing really isn't the issue it's the labels showing up on posts/profiles, and the flakiest losers in human history play-acting internet cop.
Please change your moderation email, it looks like a scam, you can still have it forward to a new address that's actually from a domain we interact with
Yep, it shows be "moderation@bsky.app" or something
Could you please make it possible that if you're on a moderation list and you block that account you are removed from the list. I've been put on some and have had zero engagement with the account owner.
This is a good request, thank you.
It's a problem. I'd like to see a few things here. Soft-blocking Blocking removes you from their lists Pictures in Chat. The end of moderation lists if possible.
What about having an option for making a list private. I find them useful to categorize users and see their posts by category. Would greatly appreciate having that functionality - it does exist in Twitter/X
Maybe you can remove those lists permanently, if the list owner prefers not to react.
Well done 👏👏👏
Then be better than Twitter and add a setting option to block lists in general.
What about an option to unsubscribe from a deleted list? I subbed to a anti csm list that turned out to be anti queer, I'm still blocking people from it with no way to get rid of the block.
It's a start, now remove mass blocking. This was always a bad idea and obviously ripe for abuse.
oml how is that damn email still not changed yall need to do something about it
yeah I feel like a broken record at this point with how often I ask them to change it
Feel like I'm missing something here, what's the problem with it?
the *official* moderation email is under the domain "blueskyweb.xyz", which is the sketchiest sounding domain they could possibly use
it really should be "moderation@safety.bsky.app" but they are still using a domain from i think the very early days of bluesky
Thanks, but "sketchy" seems entirely subjective to me. Also you can verify it's real in 5 seconds just by searching for it on here, plus they still use the domain for some business comms which can be seen on several pages on the company site. Can't imagine many will really be put off by it
just because it is possible to look it up and verify it doesn't give an excuse to not change it. it's also hilariously stupid looking at these two on the website
just see reddit for people asking if that do ain is a scam, lol
I am glad to see you are starting to do something about this, because the abuse of moderation list is getting out of hand. It seems for many its become a tool for harassment which goes against Bluesky's community standards.
👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Absolutely!! I was about to leave Blue Sky over it...
It also kills engagement
You desperately need to prevent people that a user has blocked from adding them to lists. If I block user X, user X should NOT be allowed to then add me to a list. This is almost entirely done for harassment purposes. This simple change would prevent a lot of harassment.
That is not viable, that would completely defeat the purpose of moderation lists.
It absolutely would not. All it would do is prevent people from using lists to harass others from behind a block.
If all I need to do to get off a list is to block the creator then moderation lists are functionally useless
That's not what I'm talking about. If I block you, you should not be able to add me to a list AFTER that point in time. I thought I was really clear. If I block you, you should not have access to my account to then add me to an abusive list after the fact.
That still makes no difference. Then they just preemptively block all large moderation list creators when they make their troll account. And that is if the person just stays within the app, on the protocol level they can do whatever they want, blocks are just appview level enforcement.
Unless I am grossly mistaken, lists and moderation lists are separate. This change I believe only applies to the former. i.e. to lists designed to follow people. i.e. hate-follow lists rather than block-lists or mute-lists (resubmitted because I can't type worth shit)
They are not seperate things, the difference is just on the app side on what interactions the list offers in the UI. If you see being added to a list as harassment it also doesn't make a huge difference if its a mod list or a normal list.
I mean UX wise a normal list should result in increased (negative) engagement while a modlist should result in decreased engagement. I am surprised they aren't separate under the hood tho.
I'm talking about any list. Nobody that I have blocked should be able to add me to a list, any list, of any kind, once I've blocked them.
In theory I'd agree but that opens a massive avenue for spammers and disinfo propogators to just block all the major modlist operators to avoid repurcussions And ofc modlists are about avoiding interaction rather than trying to interact with someone so adding to a modlist isn't against block intent
THIS
This ^^^ it is the primary means of harassment for bot swarms and trolls. One little change, one, will cut down on the work you need to do and make everyone on the platform safer
^^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE FELLAS
Only problem is what's stopping them from having a friend do it or them making another account.
Agree
Yes exactly!👏👏☝️
They don’t care. It would have been easy enough to say: too many have abused the list function, therefore we’re removing it. That would be the only acceptable solution.
I’ve been put on some really unsettling ones for just sort of existing and I’ve been extremely concerned about it—reported them and nothing. But PLEASE make it so we can REMOVE ourselves or are sent a request to accept/reject. That’s what we REALLY need!
I have once been put on a list for inexplicable reasons, posted a "respectfully, what did I do wrong?" with a tag on the owner, and got an apology for the mistake. But I admit that's rare, and is unnecessary work.
***THIS***
If you uncork the lists that contain all the toxic MAGAts, what is going to happen to this platform? If they had to approve their presence in those lists, do you think they would? Then what? Do you think anyone in their right mind is going to block thousands upon thousands of people one at a time?
I agree there is a lot of misuse and abuse but...I'd rather be on some stupid random list than have the site taken over by MAGAts and other unsavory characters of every description. Maybe there is a better approach to this that strikes a balance but I haven't heard it yet.
Honestly? I don’t care about people being annoyed by maga people. If you’re here, you can block. My problem is people, especially *minorities* already experiencing abuse both irl and online being put on lists threatening us directly (which is what is happening to me currently). If your biggest
Issue is “the maga people annoy me because I’m an otherwise privileged Democrat” i think you’re probably gonna live.
If someone puts me on a list Because someone is racist/ableist there is literally nothing I can do. I can’t remove myself. I can’t block them because they’re cowards who block you first(but can unblock any time) I literally have to go on a separate website to even find out. That is my problem.
I get what you're saying but, if it's not done thoughtfully, this turns into X, which defeats the purpose. Then you are flooded with hate from all directions and each person has to block the thousands of asshats individually. If it comes to reporting, they can also brigade and report us...🤷♀️
This. I'm tired of being added to lists by completly random people.
Same. ESP. In the current climate being added to ones that call me a “t3rr0r1st” is really unacceptable, and then they block you, so you’re literally helpless. I genuinely thought of leaving because of it but I need *some* kind of platform so I feel sort of trapped (and always unsafe).
Yeah, I got one that added me to a NSFW toys list along with over a hundred other folks at random for fun and refused to remove us. I blocked them, but they never deleted the list until their account was deleted.
This seems mostly fine and good, but could you include information about in what way the list doesn't comply with the terms somewhere in that process? I got an e-mail about a list and I have no clue what to change about it (if I did agree to change it).
You should delete all the lists.
That's really stupid. Lists are gold. Both to follow people and blocking. I don't need racists, misogynists, terfs or fascists in my feed. And I need to find good people to follow.
So you agree to give the power to someone you don't know to tell you who is racist... Lists are a good way to create a dictatorship
I just don't subscribe to the lists. I look through them and pick out who to follow/block on a case by case basis.
Someone can add you into a list, just because you follow someone he doesn't like, or he thinks you are (choose an insult) or he justs want to create a mess and all the people who subscribe to this list are blocking you
Yeah, I know. I don't use block lists, personally. Others think it's a good idea, but I don't let other people tell me whom to block without thinking through it myself. I think block lists make this too easy, but I don't disagree with the concept of someone wanting to block me. I'm a bit split.
Yes, lists _can_ be used negatively. So choose block lists that are created by people you know and/or have a very specific purpose. Most people worried about this are the ones thining in these terms. Im on "Pro-Hamas, antisemites, nazis" and "Fascism supporters". Not correct and not a problem.
Through block lists I block 22000 accounts. I have stopped using a couple of block lists because I didn't trust them. I still got 35000000 accounts to follow, and Bluesky gets more users every day than I have blocked in a year.
Someone added me to a list of “people who follow Rachel Maddow”. I kind of admired their commitment to crazy. I agree blocking someone should remove you from their lists / prevent them from adding you to new lists.
That's a straw man argument, and you know it. Going back to X and spread some of your wonderful "insights".
You need to allow users to remove their name from lists. I am on several block lists of "troublemakers" and "haters" and all you can do is make them invisible???? NOT enough
For real, I'm on several from ai bros and others that are pissed I have an anthro animal as my pfp Like double edged sword it will stop people from being on the ai labeler lists as well but there's gotta be something that works
Same here.
Same
I think the best thing you can do is allow us to remove our names from lists, as well as prevent someone from adding us to a list, simply by blocking that person. If you block the list owner you are removed from the list and they can't add you to another That way we control who is allowed to list us
This is the way and much easier.
But it also kinda makes the list irrelevant. If someone got put on a list for harassing people, and they want to keep doing it, they’re obviously going to remove their names from the list. I don’t know the answer here, to me it kinda seems like a fundamental problem with the idea of the lists.
If they remove their names they would have to block that person, then they wouldn't be able to harass them. There has to be some way for us to control whether we're on a list. The lists themselves are used for harassment.
i have multiple blocked users that add me to the same abuse lists every other day
Then the list item should be removed. I don't make lists, I've never put anybody in a list. It's Gestapo, it's fascist.
Plus 1
That would be the way to do it!
Agree 100%! I had someone just add me to a list because I blocked him, because he has been doing this to others. I want my name off this RANDO’S list, because I don’t think he has a right to add me to negative lists just because he doesn’t like being blocked.
I totally agree with this!
Excellent suggestion!!! 👍👏👏👏👏
Curation lists? Absolutely. But moderation lists should stay the way they are until they fire whoever's putting false Rude and Intolerant labels on people for *responding* to death threats instead of banning the trolls who *post* them.
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My thought exactly.
Why even HAVE a *List* option? They just beg for abuse. Lists should be visible to the author only.
YES!!!!
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I second this!!!
I'm surprised that's not a given. Great idea!
That email looks very fake
It’s not. They set it up when they didn’t have a domain yet and once you put an email out there it’s a pain in the tail to change it. Plus, Google has really good email tools. It’s real. Use if if you have to.
They could just make a new one, gradually switch to it and keep the old one active. It's not like they have a thousand newsletter subscriptions and logins tied to it.
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Much appreciated
We should be notified the moment someone tries to add us to a List. Then allow us to be removed and block the list creator. Someone disagrees with me on something? All manner of hateful and abusive list activities ensue. You need to address this.
This will tell you when you are added to a list or blocked. I would love a way to remove ourselves but until then, I report the harassing list & the user, then block them. I also block anyone who blocks me. It slows it down a bit. @listifications.app
Yes there is Bad actors utilizing mod list! But there is this account bsky.app/profile/did:... That keeps adding me to normal list's even though we are mutually blocking each other. So my name won't appear to others on his/her lists. .... 👇
Another thing about that account, it is every now and then, the account itself I believe is been deactivated and reactivated? @safety.bsky.app As I know when I have the account blocked my account won't appear to others (not mod)! So it doesn't worry me, but why is the account at this?
Feature Requests 👉 Private lists, only visible to the creator 👉 Public lists, subject to moderation 👉 EU data laws: I should be able to disallow the use of personal data by other people. This is EU law! 👉 Blocking would then include: Don't use/store my data! -> I must be removed from your list!
That last point would break moderation lists - eg someone (correctly) added to a list of anti-LGBT+ accounts could just block the list creator and be removed from it.
Moderation services are and should be different and IMO are the better solution. Mod. servivces have a reputation to lose. That's a social costs — an incentive not to abuse. Many public block lists are by accounts solely created for making blocklists. No social cost — don't care about errors.
Moderation service accounts could be unblockable by individuals, yet suspendable by an independent governance body independent from Bluesky PBC, the company. Here is why:
Turkey demands "moderating away" dissidents from the official Bluesky App. But a fork of the App could remove the moderation feature and unblock all. So to fight authoritarians you would have to remove some protection that you get by blocking. Idea: Independent moderation less vulnerable to govs.
Individual accounts who make block lists, are now surprisingly vulnerable and can easily be "moderated away" in any country on the order of an authoritarian government, if you use the official Bsky App. Sorry for the long answer. You made a good point! It's a tricky problem for @safety.bsky.app
I am aware, that there are more new questions than answers...
I am not a lawyer. Please consult some EU data security lawyers, to make sure you implement compliance on the #ATProto level.
Thank you, now please ban the transphobes. Yes, even the rich and popular ones.
Do we have the option to just make a private list?
Thank you for finally doing something about this issue
I've just looked at Clearsky, and nope. There are quite a few insult and slander lists that are NOT hidden. And hiding the names but not the lists doesn't help much. Oh, and false is still false, even if it's in another language.
They did *not* say it was retroactive. This announcement specifically used the language "moving forward", that would be why.
I don't think so. The names of some of the lists are not showing, where they were before. I think it's that they have a lot of catching up to do.
Soft block is a must - blocking an account MUST remove that account's "follow" and MUST remove your account from all of their lists - even if you then unblock again. This is the only way to prevent harassment. And we all know it. 😡
If you can remove yourself from a list by blocking the list creator then there is zero reason for the 'moderation' lists to exist Personally, while I see the potential for abuse, I like the concept of decentralized moderation. This is definitely a step in the right direction
And with a decentralized system, you can't make blocks unfollow as I understand it.
Personally I don't think any kind of "user run" moderation where you can just slap everyone you don't like on a "pedos and rapists" list with no way for them to remove themselves from it is a type of moderation that deserves to be permitted to exist.
I agree and I think that not allowing people to use pejoratives in the list descriptions is a good start. will be interested to see what additional changes Bsky makes
Who decides what is a “pejorative”? TREF, Homophobes, racists…these are all going to be “pejoratives” to bsky.
yes and I think rightfully so. if you want to make a personal block list and you choose to include people that YOU believe are homophobes, racists, etc. you can the current setup often leads to what is basically slander for public block lists you have to keep the naming generic / non specific
The problem though is people outright lying about their list being something innocent but it's being used maliciously to trick unsuspecting users into blocking and muting people under false pretenses. It's an issue inherent to the list feature itself, sadly.
If you don't want to be added to a bigotry list, then don't be a bigot. It is not by chance that they most well-known TERFs rub elbows with fascists.
Plenty of bad actors create a list that is labeled "known racists, maga" and then add anti maga people and minority allies. So this is trying to address that kind of deceitful categorizing of accounts
Huh. I don’t think you understood my point. I am saying those are going to be considered “bad words” so people can’t properly categorize them, but any language those people use to categorize things will be ok still.
That only works if the list creator is acting in good faith. That does *not* work when the list creator is an asshole, troll, or a bigot themselves trying to cause problems. I've seen it here and elsewhere that people make "bigot lists" and shove innocent minorities they want to silence on them.
The TERF one was exactly what came to mind first--they already love to scream that it's a slur, and I trust zero services this large to have a consistent, objective, good-faith approach to deciding these things. (...Given my time on small forums, I don't trust small services either tbh)
as far as I know there is no objective, universally recognized body that decides what is and isn't a slur. so name your list "accounts Summon Spirit of Angst doesn't want to see on BSKY" and then people can subscribe to it.
Not going to lie someone else pointed out TERF was going to get this treatment!
The problem with that limited solution is I've already seen many lists that outright lie about what they are. "Transphobe" blocklists filled with trans ppl the creator didn't like. Other lists that their abusive nature only makes sense if you have very specific context making reporting them useless
yeah... which is why having a list named 'Transphobes' won't be allowed. As you said many of the lists are wildly misrepresenting what they are
Why not? What about legitimate lists of transphobes?
Can you imagine trying to legislate the truth-bounds of, say, a list of liberals?
(Honestly I even tried to figure out how to explain one of 'em but the context needed to understand why a seemingly-innocent list may actually be a huge red flag that it's probably bigot-pushed agenda takes more words than I have in me right now and spans at least a decade of subculture bullshit)
i am NOT saying that this fixes everything but you should probably take those lists with a few grains of salt until you vet who the user running it actually is
That's 100% advice I suggest for anyone who does use a list--and keep checking in to make sure it didn't change hands to an abusive owner or that it wasn't a case of "they did the work to look good and now are abusing the feature that they have your trust". Personally I just manually block/mute.
I have seen lists that look like they’re designed by MAGAs trying to get people to block legitimate accounts.
I'm guessing you have been around long. I lost at how many lists I have been added to that were just harassment lists. At least a couple a week & growing. I am also on many lists that are good. I do NOT block them. That is how it works. You only block & (hopefully in future) get off shitty ones.
I don’t think you can remove yourself from lists though? Unless I’m mistaken
You can't. And I'm saying I'm ok with that
While it may sound good at first thought, if anyone can remove himself from any list on his own, lists will make no sense at all any longer. If you can remove yourself from a list you consider abusive, the bad guys will also be able to remove themselves from lists you want them to be on ...
hard disagree, there is nothing preventing people from individually blocking bad actors. lists do as much harm as good
Hard agree 💯
soft blocks for direct follows is sorely needed. i don't know about the list part
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Thank you!!!
The issue here is that you are super worried about protecting the list owners, but not worried about protecting the people added to lists, despite blocking the owners.
Exactly. Protecting rude and harassing people who use lists to abuse people while we are standing here and get no protection for them. :(
Bluesky "Safety" prioritizes list functionality over user consent, when the fact is, my leaving a list I was added to without my consent has nothing to do with 'functionality'. Unless the 'function' is harassment.
It is LONG past time for a block to remove a follower, and to remove you from their list. This is so basic that it makes me wonder why basic safety is being deferred, delayed, and ignored. Bump this one to top of the list. It's the most broken thing about @safety.bsky.app .
They know. They don't care. They didn't care back in May. And they still don't care.
^^^^^^^ Fucking this....
Smash that feedback button 😎
NEVER FORGET this is a social media site "not caring" is SOP (standard operating procedure) It is up to the user to either accept its shortcomings, or not If you do not, yet wish to stay, some things must be ignored, studiously As my employer used to reply to me "If you don't like it, leave"
Am I advocating that requesting changes be made should cease OF COURSE NOT just don't expect a SM site to care Or to change Until that change benefits it as well it is not there yet
I know others have said this, but please change that email address to something that doesn't look like a phishing scam domain. You are not a small website anymore. You have millions of users and need to be more professional if you want people to take you seriously.
(To be clear, I am in favour of Bsky moderating lists more, but I feel like they haven't really grasped how much this site has grown in the last few months. Maybe that's just me though)
Soon, people will freely move their data between multiple sites similar to Bsky. Your data is yours. If you secure your own domain, you make the rules. This is the goal. Bsky, and others will be the airport facilities, and you will be an airline. There will be some ground rules, the rest is on you.
Thank you so much.
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Good!
Thank you!
Yup - lists that actively promote users to automatically block other users is simply intolerant. No normal real life society would allow this to continue.
Allowing people to choose to exclude others is not intolerant. Your demands that everyone has to suffer your opinions is not free speech. Just your arrogance. Now feel free to exercise your freedom and block me. Fool.
🔶 Not enough is being done to address the libelous and slanderous lists being made against me! Please review the email correspondence again: "FW: Moderation Lists Misused to Defame My Profile" - 4/4/2025 8:56 AM
I can 100% relate since I have reported the same via email and all I get back after some days is a generic response, any rate, just thought to mention the same in my case.
Thank you for these improvements. I *strongly* second what @spryoldlorax.bsky.social says. The current system lets people I blocked—maybe for harassment—continue to harass me from behind a block, while I can’t find the blocked account to report. This shields harassers. bsky.app/profile/spry...
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Sounds like a good step. Will you implement a solution for when a list has been deleted but people are still blocked? The deletion should ideally resolve the block as well.
Way to go, BlueSky. 🙄 Your new rules are now hiding lists that were created to protect us from the actual harassers who put us on lists falsely calling us an assortment of hostile, defamatory names, yet now you restricted a list calling them (the MAGA harassers) “Deplorables.” Your “help” is lame. 👎🏻
Supposedly there are lists where people have "consented" to let their posts be scraped for AI. I'm on one of those lists even though I did not consent to any such thing.
Please could you elaborate on this What lists?
I went to the clearsky.app link and typed in my name, and saw I was on a list that was marked in that way. I found your list at the same time... thanks!!! 😇
while it is nice to see on what lists one is added without consent, not much can be done.
I just hope you don't consider harassment to have list of fascist to easy block them
Will links to moderation lists still work even if hidden?
When is this expected to take effect, because it's not happening now.
Thing is, on GitHub '24 they acknowledged that this might be an issue, they should have 1) either "list pending moderation verification" or 2) not allow this in the first place instead, they just ran with it KNOWING about this, I would expect a statement from them on this to clarify why.
Or make them private. I don't need more reminders that trans people are targets for hate and that people would prefer we didn't exist. Allowing users to lock their accounts and make them private is also an essential safety feature that's missing. We've been calling for this since 2023.
Tbh they’re definitely not going to do that, they’ve already committed to tech that purposely doesn’t do that
Last I heard from Paul, locked accounts were still on the agenda, even if user safety isn't a priority.
That’s the version for protesters, the goal is to keep us from leaving the site and it’s predictably working 🤷♀️ whatever they actually provide will be laughable. and they’re right about the realpolitik- where are we gonna go, Masto? Threads? rancid
I can only add by saying that I have been pressuring them on actual 2-way authentication not this email based authentication and in that regard... I can attest they have not responded once, can almost say they will roll out paid subs before ANY of what you, me, others mentioned time & again
Yep, there was a session about private data in general at the recent atproto conference - they're still in the "who, what, why" brainstorming phase and want to engage the community to co-develop what it'll look like, but its hitting the roadmap in small pieces: docs.bsky.app/blog/2025-pr...
Session Video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4W3...
Sure, I guess my general consensus is that they should have anticipated this, your idea is solid also. I suppose my concern is just why they knew this a year ago and yet here we are... I am with you in terms of trans people btw, not against. But Nico, thanks for the reply... appreciate it!
They knew this two years ago. They knew this when they launched mute/block lists and user lists. We told them they would be weaponized. And they were. Immediately. Bluesky didn't listen then and they're not listening now.
that long ago, yeah I was use this app back then, but jeez, yeah no that is completely unacceptable, it pretty much shows how little they care. Thing is, it seems these lists target trans people far more than other lists... but I am holding them to this completely unacceptable.
Labellers have also been weaponized against marginalized folks and those labellers continue to exist. Bluesky simply doesn't care. You're probably already familiar with the controversy surrounding Bluesky's head of trust and safety -- a position that didn't even exist until users lobbied for it.
Nope, honestly, I am only familiar with the fact that they claim they a moderation / safety team, I joined close to end last year Nico. Perhaps what you mention have a lot to do with that but safety applies to all people and simply means they are discriminating. Glad you are vocal
After reading your post, I checked my own status and found I am on two groups of supposed transphobes? (Um, I'm nonbinary...). That explains why I see less trans content than I used to. Wish there was a way to address this.
I have likewise been added on these lists but and my follower / following is a mix so much so I'd need to check to see, but I noticed a drop across the board, content, notification, visibility you name it. Had it with them and I made that very clear on their first post.
Both of you, keep in mind - the overwhelming majority of malicious lists are used by 1 account - the list's creator. So, chances are, you're not affected by those lists in the slightest.
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so you're saying it's acceptable to have users on your platform creating lists directly targeting people because of disabilities or other things they don't control. Because there are a lot of those. delete the list and kick the creator, problem solved.
I agree
So there's actually zero consequences for creating harassment or libelous lists, the creators just get to rename them to get them republicized? This is not good enough. Harassment drives decent users off the site. You're giving KNOWN abusive users plausible deniability by letting them change names!
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can you just delete the list and reprimand the users making them instead of dancing around it
Wouldn't it be better for moderators to (a) completely remove the list at hand and (b) allow users that were added to starter packs to opt out from being added?
Lists are a detriment to BS. They should be removed. People can still recommend people to follow. They can ever recommend who to ban but these list have created abuse. Please consider removing them
Trolls with same old tricks..bombing me with porn. Trying to violate me off of Blue sky, even though I am doing nothing wrong. did that to me on other social media. direct confrontations, mocking, me...
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How does hiding a harassment list solve the problem of harassment Bluesky? It simply doesn't and I can't even report it because it's hidden because it has been reported so reports are useless anyway! Malicious list makers are getting more every day and many are MAGA or russian trolls in disguise!🤨🦋
bsky.app/profile/bonk...
Excellent. But will there be a way to remove yourself from lists you've been added to?
It’d be great if I could proactively flag my own lists so they don’t show up for other users in the app. That’s what I want - they’re for me, I don’t intend them to be visible to anyone else.
I think that what’s been done here is a good step forward. I just wish I could use it to make my lists private without needing to make them pointlessly offensive
so in order to have private lists, we have to name it with slurs? seems suboptimal
There are no private lists. This is just hiding the lists from public discovery.
What is your standard for 'unproven'. If I make a list of bigots do I need to prove they are all bigots? How would I go about that.
Thanks!
Another one I just reported and gave hime a piece of my mind and asked him to take me off their follow farming list. This happens if I simply am reposting a starter pack especially if I am on one. Good resisters are on this
Unproven Allegations BSky please follow your procedures, thank you.
I am sick of these people
You and me both
I was put on I follow farming moderation list, even though I go out of my way to complain about people who do nothing but look for followers LOL, all because I have the hashtag bluecrew in my bio
Yeah I took bluecrew out of my bio for that reason
Good idea, I'm gonna go do that now
These people suck.
These lists are super annoying and are being misused!
You got that right🤬
Such weenies Thanks J🙏💙
These people make me so angry.
These moderation lists are kind of 'a Karen's revenge.' If you say stuff they don't like, they stick you on one.
I feel like I’d rather know I’m added to a list and by whom given the 14 lists I was falsely added to. I’m vehemently not a MAGA chud.
You can find out what lists your on with clearsky.app I was also added to lists saying I'm some MAGAt troll. Which I never have been Nor ever will be.
Yaaaa, at one point someone added me to a Pro Russia list... It was either malicious intentionally or they had not read ANY posts i've done in the past year and a half.
Way too many people on this site use lists as a way to passive-aggressively lash out at users who upset them. I like to mock the most ridiculous ones that people put me on.
I'm just really interested in htf I made it onto a furries list? Was it the constant cat memes or something?
Ya, and most of the ones who ARE an actual issue, tend to get reported down pretty fast.
Clearsky’s great! It’s how I out about those lists Yeah— some of those lists were baffling. Others clearly disinfo trolls. In either case- not cool
Also list I fictions
Boooooo
Why not ban the creator for doing crappy a thing like that ?
This doesn’t help someone like me. I get notified I have been added to a ‘moderation’ list, yet, I can’t see the list (hidden) or even report it. All I can do is block the creator of the list. What steps can I take to report these? There have been a number of them now…..
So what about modlists like this one (where I am falsely accused of being a "transphobic ally" despite being a trans woman). Do we have to prove the allegations aren't proven and how do we do this if so? Review my post/comment history? The list creator has me blocked (and it is a mutual block).
how does this work- how can I check visibility for something?
How do we get you to take action on lists with unproven allegations? I am not a "DeSantis apologist" and neither are several of the other people on this list, which was made by a conspiracy theorist who has been spreading hoaxes about the listed people for several years. bsky.app/profile/cons...
DeSantis... A man who thinks in Slogans & speaks with Bullets.
This doesn't go far enough. Lists need to be replaced.
Can we find a away to block automated moderation lists, where the creator is is hindering engagement? Starting to feel like X
I was just put on this list and really don’t understand why. @talesofmoderation.bsky.social has added you to the "Likely to Pass On or Post Disinformation" moderation list bsky.app/profile/did:...
How would that impact moderation lists? How would you subscribe / unsubscribe?
thank you keeping this community safe from the ills which befall those who allow such negativity is much appreciated 🫶
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so you're just gonna act like it doesn't exist instead of actually fixing the issue. fuckin pathetic
Skywatchblue has continuously put me on their lists. It’s driving me crazy. I love Bluesky, but this is starting to get to me.
Good cuz I’m on a couple that come from MAGA BULLSHIT
Huh... more censorship. Not sure I'm liking bluesky that much after all.
How will we block the list owner if we can't see the list?
I use lists to organize people I follow, making it easier for ME to use Bluesky. It would be nice if we could make those lists private, as they're for personal use only. Early on one of my list names did confuse someone on it, so I renamed it. Again, mine aren't for public use anyway.
private lists are planned, and I'm looking forward to being able to use them myself, but they need to implement private data storage first
Are our lists searchable? I didn't know they weren't private. I don't have a problem with it, just wondered. I used to share my lists in Twitter and people followed them.
lists can't be searched through the bluesky app or website, but the data is public at the protocol level so you can use a third-party service like @clearsky.app to see what lists a user is on
Thanks. 😊 If we block a list owner, does that remove us from their blocklist?
Ah. Apparently not. ☹️ I'll block anyway, maybe that will be resolved in a future update.
I'm on a blocklist because I use Firefox! 😂
that's one of the craziest reasons for putting someone on a list I've seen 😅
Cheered me up actually. 😂 I was getting upset at some of the adds but that was funny. There are some nice ones too, I was happy to see.
well that's a positive at least 😄 but yeah only some of the lists are nasty, some are just like "lovely people you should follow", "these people are hilarious" etc
There are people who add you to a hate blocklist then block you. And you can't remove yourself. @support.bsky.team @safety.bsky.app
Yeah a lot of people have complained about that, but the reason they haven't changed it is because it would kind of undermine the purpose of being able to block using a moderation list
Because then the people who really deserve to be blocked could just remove themselves from lists, and then the lists wouldn't be useful anymore So... it's a mess 😕
Not only does it not remove you from their block lists, they can still add you to block lists. It’s so effed up.
oh ffs ☹️ Tut I didn't realise that. What a mess.
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I would also like this. I like to keep artists, game devs, and doomposting (politics and news) in different sections but don't want to offend folks putting them in the doom list!!
I detest being added to "follow this person and 50 other people who you say are freedom fighters" lists. I'm not here to grow my followers exponentially, I don't want to have to vet hundreds of random followers every time I'm added to starter pack #47 bullshit. I block everyone who does mass adds.
Starter packs ought to work via invitation -- you should be asked to opt in, and be able to decline. So far I've asked creators to please remove me because like you, I'm not interested in random followers. They did. It didn't get rid of the 1k followers alas, but at least the influx stopped.
Thank you! Big step in the right direction.
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Thank you for taking notice of this! 😊👍
I keep getting added to ridiculous AI "moderation" or crypto "moderation" lists, and what they're doing now is adding me to the list and then blocking me right away so I can't report the lists. I don't like this at all.
¿Viste esto @cfrnka.bsky.social ?
No lo había visto, pero recuerdo que hace como 2 meses se reportó una operación coordinada de ultraderechistas, de crear este tipo de listas espurias.
Sí, nuestro viejo rancho creció y se llenó de gente con todo lo que eso implica. Ojalá se pueda controlar eso.
Sí. Igual se me hace que tendría sentido, que si bloqueas al creador de la lista en automático te quita de ella.
We need to be able to remove ourselves from lists we’re put on.
Yes , what are you designing to alleviate the problem? We know it is a difficult task.
Depuis le tout début on avait prévenu que c'était une mauvaise idée. Ajoutez une fonction pour permettre aux utilisateurs de se désinscrire de ces listes !
How can we tell whether a list has been hidden via the Bluesky API?
FYI short 🧵 ->
Please just let people make lists private please
Lists are inherently fascist. They indicate someone should be shunned just because someone else said so. Do your work. Block individuals.
Eh? No they are not. Lists are for organising subjects.
Lists are a wedge the left gives the right. They are publicly visible indicators of where and how to divide and conquer. It's going to turn out to have been one of the final nails hammered from inside the coffin by a political left that seems to prefer losing.
They are information. And information is always a weapon eventually. A leftist having an egotistical meltdown an making a list of other leftists calling them pedos and racists, that is information. Its signposts and maps. And the far right an center dont expend any energy doing anything like this.
Do your own work. Block individuals. Don't see a list and go "oh, yes, I disagree with these people" when you haven't even verified what these people are about. You're blindly trusting some other authority to make a decision for you as to who you should block.
Can you leave me out - I'm not interested in this nonsense.
it was like two replies bud, chin up you can take it
Mute the thread, then
You saddos... Go away with your time wasting and paranoia... I don't play these stupid games. I learn and discover from my lists. Get out of my mentions before I block. 🤦🏻♀️
Not how they're used by the average bsky user, they're not
They should be visible for list creators only. Then use them to organize people in personal feeds.
Any news about this situation?
I'd like it if blocking a user would remove me from their lists. Or just to have the option to not be on a list. Someone added me to their lists and blocked me when i requested to be removed. I was polite but I'm still on some random person's list and I don't appreciate it.
Good to see Bluesky are doing something about this.
I have been placed on some that are absurd. Absurd. It’s a lot of accounts who stand in the wings do not engage but put people on lists. I think they are here to quash conversation.
We need the ability to remove ourselves from lists…like on the cesspool if we blocked the creator, we’d be off the list. Either that or a way to prevent us from being added to lists w/out our approval. Lists are definitely used as harassment, & we can’t do anything about it. 🤬
YES!!!! If I block a list creator, I should be automatically removed from that list!
I am on a lot of lists that call me names and say terrible things about me that I can do nothing about
Ditto
How do we report these lists when the list maker has blocked us?
Good question.
Being removed from a list should not depend on a moderation team (we all know how this ends from Twitter). If I feel uncomfortable being on a list, blocking the list owner by myself must be the way of being removed from that list.
Won’t you still be on the list even though you can’t see it anymore?
Yes, you can't see it, but the list can still be used against you. Imagine a MAGA in disguise starts a blocking list with some MAGA chuds on it, promotes this list as such among democratic people as a blocking list and all of a sudden he changes his policies and puts the democratics on the list.
The guy blocks now the list members, which now no longer have access to this abusive list. And now the democratics, who still use the "MAGA blocking list" are blocking each other with no means of being removed.
It’s a bloody mess.
Exactly
Are lists a way of making sure you can get to, say posts from folks who write about MN or rural issues or affordable housing? I seem to see posts from substack authors, but not posts for my other interests.
That’s how I use them. For ex, I maintain a personal friends list, so I can see what my personal friends have posted without it getting lost in my main feed stream. If you look at the posts from a list, it will show all original posts and comments from the listed accounts (but not their reposts)
Is this why my feed has slowed way down?
Is there a way to bookmark posts?
War...war never changes
Many users grab people and add them to a list. There is no transparency for the person being added to a list. There is no knowledge of even being on a list because it is not shown anywhere on your own profile, and it prevents you from many interactions through lists by tagging.
Well do something about skywatch. blue Can't you make it so that a block can remove the user from the list. There is an organized effort to mess with Dem accounts on this platform. I for one would be thrilled to see the list feature removed it causes more headache's then enriching the experience
I have been reading about this for days now, and not just about Bsky. The lengths the misinformation crowd will go are lengths without morals or integrity. What makes those ppl so bent on trying to control social media? Fear.
I've been harassed most of my life in one fashion or another. I am willing to bet I've learned more dirty tricks from bullies than they have. Bring it on!
Please make it so when we block someone they are blocked from seeing our account itself - not just our posts 🙏
Blocking lists simply shouldn't be allowed end of.I'm not everybody's cup of tea I get that and have no problem being blocked, I made the mistake of subscribing to a list early on & a dear friend asked why I blocked them, I had no idea but they got placed on a list I blocked, it's wrong
Question: I put "No DM's" in my bio, but most folks don't read that before DM'ing someone. Is there some way to automatically reject an unwanted DM? Can we make a list of folks we trust and automatically reject messages from anyone not on the list? Be gentle with me - I'm old and addlepated. 👵
Thanks! I can't tell you how wonderful it feels to ask a question and not get called stupid, loser, or idiot. Some of us older folks just aren't tech savvy and need a helpful hand from time to time. 🙂
No problem, glad to help. Part of the work I do is to help non tech savvy folks do things on the Web and I really love it
If you go to your DMs (Chat on sidebar) in the top there's a little 'controls' like icon - click that for chat settings. You can set DMs to 'Users I follow' there. Why it's not in settings, I will never understand.
Thank you! 😊
It's frustratingly hidden.
This fixed yet? dont hide them delete hem and get us off them then ban the user or least warn them for doing it
@skymoderationlists.bsky.social
Interresting
What can we do?
I'm near annoyed enough to just delete this account and app. I value my privacy and would never add anyone to a list without asking first, or dm anyone. Even Twitter allows one to get off a list (and there are some awful ones) by blocking the creator. This is a terrible oversight here.
I completely agree and several times a day I am added to the most hateful lists and each time I report and I have heard nothing from Mods not once When these lists are false misleading and defamatory about me I am abused and harassed via the list makers behind a block
That happened on Twitter, usually very small lists, but hateful in intent. The ability to remove oneself by blocking the creator is about the only thing I liked better there. Still have 30K friends there. These lists are false and malicious. The silence from BlueSky itself is disheartening.
I don’t understand why these bullies didn’t stay on T, and why they feel the need to come here to BS and harass people. You’d think they’d find something more productive and fulfilling to do. 🤷🏻♀️ it’s disheartening they’re not addressed and allowed to be knuckleheads and just plain useless bullies.
I've been on Internet message boards since the mid-90s. There have always been trolls, whose only purpose is disruption, sick people, but there. Twitter is full of them, now they're here and it seems Bluesky doesn't know how to handle them, or won't to be open-source. A big mistake, in my opinion.
All true.
I'm reporting all the time. I also have reported more times than I can count that the app does NOT and has never worked on my phone. They have never replied back. Or fixed the issue.
They may have a moderation service but no real help team at all. You need look other places for friendly users to assist you. The Reddit r/Bluesky group is full of helpful people. I’d post there for advice. I have and gotten great results.
TY but there's a reason I don't go on Reddit. The BS APP doesn't work. It's not me. It's not my phone. I didn't contact moderation abt it. I sent it where I was suppose to. support@bsky.app several times. As well as posts like this in BS posts hoping anyone will respond.
How do you know if youre on a list? I think Im on at least 1 block list.
Already follow them. Thought there was something else.
Search your account here: https://clearsky.app/ More: https://docs.bsky.app/showcase
don’t they notify you when you’re listed?
I do get notifications when I’m listed on anything. Not blocks. But I use an app for that, on the APP Store, Bsky Tracker, it’s excellent and the developer very responsive, will talk to you directly. If that helps.
I get notifications of single accounts that blocked me. Never got a notification that Im on a list. Unless Ive been thinking that the notification was an account but it was actuallly a list lol. I dont know.
How about ... clearsky.app/jodiwrk.bsky...
Yeah, there are a lot of people on Bluesky who get their knickers in a twist if *other people* follow what they consider to be "too many" accounts. However, you probably don't want to interact with those people anyway. I know I don't 😂
Love lists, but allow us to make lists private, or at least disallow subscriptions. I am not advertising my lists for subscription; they're just for my personal use, but people subscribe anyway. I vet carefully, but I still don't want to be responsible for other people taking my blocks as gospel.
Exactly! I make lists to use myself for various topics, Editorial cartoons, for example, science, law, etc. I think the Moderation lists are used by some to harass. I still don’t know how to report being put on one as harassment.
@automated-lists.bsky.social is adding me to lists, however the person running that page has blocked me. Toxic? 🧐 It’s definitely cringe…
I blocked them! But i don't think that removed me from their toxic lists!
Me too. I looked up the guy running that page and it looks like he’s putting stuff on Github. Look at the top one.
that's insane!! people who follow people?? I got put on one that said "unverified users with more than 5,000 followers" WTF?? there are no "verified users" on Bluesky!
Just FYI, there are two types of verification currently available on Bluesky: 1. Those who use their own domain handle instead of the default .bsky.social one (e.g. @governorwalz.mn.gov or @nytimes.com ). 2. The newer trusted verifier system that Bluesky has created: bsky.app/profile/bsky...
I wouldn't worry about being put on automated, objective criteria-based lists like that. Also, blocking a moderation list creator does nothing with regards to removing you from that list, it just means you can't communicate with the list creator to ask that you are removed if there is a mistake.
I know how it works. I am asking to be removed from lists by blocking the creator. That’s how it is on Twitter. (And I don’t want communicate with people who with people who make horrible, offensive lists). Lists can be very abusive – maybe you haven’t experienced that but I have.
I don’t need the explanation. I’ve been here a while. I understand how it works. Thanks.
Yes, I understand. I’m talking about people who are not celebrities.
I was added to an unverified accounts list too. I’ve been added to some weird ones. I don’t think ‘moderation’ lists should be ran by the general population because it invites this type of harassing behavior.
AGREED! I think the list thing is run its course. The starter packs were great but now I just think they need to shut down the lists. They certainly shouldn’t be public.
Positive & uplifting lists are cool though 😁
Agreed!!!
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How do we report people who use lists like this? It’s the same people over and over.
100%. We left Twitter/X because of the incessant trolling. Let’s not let it happen here. Please.
The prat who’s been adding me to lists as of yesterday has added me to one titled “People who make Twitter look tolerant” !!!
Czedwards.bsky is targeting me for harassment. This account seems very similar to other accounts that make lists of a malicious nature. I have never personally interacted with this person and I'm sick & tired of being targeted by bot lists, please do something.
Please help [Czedwards.bsky] is still harassing me after I blocked them. They will probably send a X brigade to attack me soon.
Bsky safety talks but does damn all, stm. Surely it can’t be THAT hard to sort it out - if they actually have the will.
I think this place might be a honeypot. I'm supposed to believe not a single person at bluesky could foresee abuse of the lists? Bad actors chew people out for calling a mod list a blocklist like it really makes a difference, & still won't remove when requested.
I think I've figured out how to stem the flow of harassment. Clean out your list of followers by blocking everyone who can't be verified as a human. No post no substance, these accounts are for spying & running thru comments with keywords to start the brigade.
Lastly, the Palestine donation bots are attached to other bot accts that make simple comments on popular posts. Ever wonder why those bots never post in the main? They use an extra level of bot accts to evade spam detection. All of this is one & the same. Free Palestine & donate to vetted charities!
Will it be possible to choose to keep one’s own lists private?
PLEASE fix the issue where paint can add you to an abusive list like "Disinformation vectors" and then block you, and y you can't report the list, or even see the list, but you get a notification that you were added to the list. That just lets people get away with abusive lists.
*people, not paint
Report the account instead and provide the link to the list!
I do that. I didn't ask what I should do instead. I have no idea if they do anything about it since I can't see the list. They should fix that.
yes!! 👏
It doesn't solve the problem, though.
Exactly
Yes!
How about an unsubscribe list?
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How does a user remove themselves from a list?
At this time, a user cannot remove themselves from any of the Moderation Lists, Custom Feed Lists or Starter Packs. All you can right now is communicate with the user who created the list. I hope this will change very soon.
Blocking the starter pack creator will remove you from the pack. Or, as you suggested, you could just ask. That has worked for me (though I would prefer SPs to be opt-in). You can't communicate with a blocklist creator because you are blocked. Unless you create an alt account. I don't care >>>
I’ve seen no evidence of blocking an account/user removes you from any list that user chose to create. A lot less drama if this was the case. Not sure how many Skeeters care about being on a list except the ones that paint you as something you are not, e.g. nazi, maga or transphobe.
Starter packs only, which makes sense. Since most people seem delighted to be put on a starter pack, removing yourself gets very little attention. Just reading the comments here shows a lot of people who dislike being put on lists, even if not mislabeled. Especially follow farming lists, >>>
and follows > N lists. It's usually people who don't understand how dangerous follow farming and not vetting whom you follow are, how bad they are for a social network.
Get ready to block me piranha4D, I don’t care if follow farming is done on Bluesky or any social media app. People paying attention to other people’s followers/follows numbers and how they got there indicates an immaturity they are not ready to handle social media.
You don't know what you're talking about, and might therefore be better off not speculating about the maturity of others. The people who care most about follow farming are those with the most experience of social media and the damage bad actors can do when people don't vet. Anyway, done here.
Predicted that would end this dialogue. You won’t hear from me again. Best of luck to you and take care.
Four months ago I was on 235 lists, now I'm only on 124! What's going on? bsky.app/profile/alex...
I could not tell you why you are now on fewer lists…possibly the creator removed you or the lists.
Did you stop following Jesse Singal? I don't see you labelled, but a lot of lists you were on were followers-of-singal lists, so you must have followed him at some point. If you stopped following him, those lists that automatically update would have removed you.
Nope. I'm still following him.
enough. Most blocklists aren't subscribed to by many, if anyone, and people who don't like me for whatever reason, or for no reason at all, should have the right to not see my posts; I'm not entitled to their attention. Harassment is bad. I report harassment. Putting me on a list isn't harassment.
Are there ANY Bluesky mods looking at or replying to our reports of being targeted & harassed?! I have Never, not ONE heard back from any mods to my reports! I'd like proof of life! Why are our reports being ignored? I EXPECT TO HEAR NOTHING FROM BLUESKY MODS, AS USUAL! #MIAblueskyMods
Are you going to remove the ability for accounts you blocked to add you to a list??? If I blocked someone they should NOT be allowed to add me to a list.
I find fun to see my "Pro-tip : reverse blocking" list (a follow list of accounts whose followers are automatically blocked by some pple, with as goal to be blocked by those who block on the only basis of guilt by association, I see no reason to want to interact with ; a win win situation) moderated
... But not the dozens of list blocking people on the only basis of "they follow someone" (and often having "and so are..." [list of insults and unproven accusations] as descriptions).
So where can I go to block people adding me to any list?
If you block someone they can still add you.
Awful
#blskynoykot
I used to be all for lists, but now that the idiots are here lists are being abused a little too much. Like I'm on 6 of them alone for blocking the creators, ranging from calling me trash, to a d bag. At this point lists should be removed, and please just make blocks private.
Yep. I just found myself on 37 lists and every single one of them is derogatory and untrue. I'm not MAGAt, anti-vax, or a conspiracy theorist just as an example.
Definitely been harassed and blocked after the creators put me on their lists (and I'd not even responded before the block)
Automatic blocklists are open to abuse and should be banned
Let us remove ourselves from lists we don't want to be on
Blocking the list creator should do that, but it doesn't.
this right here got added to way too many lists out of no actual reason
***THIS***
THIS!!!
Adding someone to a List should send them an Invite to join the list. Not just add them automatically. As long as users don’t have to consent to be put on lists, it will be used for harassment in some form.
Follow @listifications.app
This is a great idea!
Lists are also used to SILENCE millions of us, in favor of those with whom we disagree. Can you even reassure us that these LISTS are not the same types of bots & foreign influencers that made voices for democracy increasingly impossible to be seen at Bad Bird?
You guys just Hid and then DELETED a list that was used to PROTECT people from harassment... a list of anti-Semitic trolls that had 900 vetted accounts on it and that many of us used to keep that hateful trolling out of our timelines. Maybe consider that you made a serious mistake here.
I will show you some of my verified accounts on some other platforms rybun.com/@marciotalves forus.app/marciotalves soulprime.io/s/profile/marciotalves?playmarket=true phiz.chat/u/T5ooc3
I've stopped using blocklists, too many innocents added. If you say something to the list owner, they block you than amend their precious lists. There's a ridiculous one blocking blue hearts. There are a few that are ok, otherwise I block individually, as and when needed, like I always have.
One feature I'd like is the ability to unblock to view. I've got used to it in Twitter. It's really useful for, say, far right politicians like Farage when you need to know what was said.
Another feature I would like is the ability to see what lists I've been added to and be able to remove myself. John Cusack, the actor, has blocked me here. I'd like to know what list he subscribed to. I follow him in Twitter, have for years, never had an issue. So what happened over here?
You can't remove yourself, but clearsky.app will show you what lists you're on
I just went on this and entered my name and this came up? What does this mean please?
It means you checked the option in your settings to make your account not accessible to unlogged users.
This rude person placed me on a list for “engagement farmers” (inaccurate) and when I requested to know what their process was for placing people on this list and what their appeal process was, they insulted me and blocked me.
It's for the purpose of intimidation and exclusion. To make you feel like you are being rejected by a particular group that you had nothing to do with in the first place. Just ignore it. They do it to make you feel bad. It is puerile and infantile. I say "Meh"
The same thing just happened to me! When I appealed by DM per their own instructions, he replied that I “meet several of the criteria”. When I said I don’t understand, they replied “it’s enough that I understand”.
I did a spot check, a couple of account on that list have less than 50 followers - how are they “engagement farming”?
I think you should look into this account to see if it’s being used for harassment and abuse: I consider it trolllish behavior to arbitrary place someone on a list and then to insult and block them when they make an inquiry. Troll account: @skymoderationlists.bsky.social
I agree
Oh yeah
They are on multiple block lists and I have had them blocked for a while now. This is the list I used: bsky.app/profile/did:...
I was put on one of those too. I'm the opposite of engagement farming.
If I had to guess, it's because you're following more than 5,000 people.
No. I'm on one of those lists and I follow just above 2k. Also, what's wrong with following more than 5k or 10k etc? That just seems like weird policing.
It just turns some people off. Learn to be okay with it, I suppose.
I guess. I've been here 2 yrs, so probably a lot longer than many of the list makers. C'est la vie. 🤷🏽♀️
Same happened here, posted about it some days ago...🤬
How about providing a way to remove ourselves from said toxic lists? Like, you know, blocking the person who made it, which in turn, removes us from the list we didn't want to be in in the first place? Like on Twitter. This feels more like a used Band-Aid.
i wish we could remove ourselves from the harassment lists. i would still report them, but it's a bit unnerving to be on them at all. i block the account but it doesn't get me off their list until y'all do something, which you are good at, thank you.
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Well, @skywatch.blue is harassing me by placing me on lists for false reasons. I’ve appealed, I’ve reported, yet nothing has been done. I’m extremely frustrated.
Agree 💯! There is too much organized "moderator trolls" placing a lot of resisters, democrats and #BlueCrew supporters on block lists, and "moderated" with wrongful labels.
Exactly.
if anything speaking out against being harassed by providing evidence you've been added to these lists will most likely count against you, you can post but your post will likely not be seen or if so you will not get engagement or if so no notifications... risk being silenced by bsky moderation.
again, these are just some of the most recent lists, literally predicated on nothing, meaning got added and anyone can go check my profile and see if it merits, it does not... you can do NOTHING when you are added to these lists. CANNOT believe Bsky is allowing this 😡
How do you find out what lists you've been added to?
Thank you! 😊
Oh. I already follow it. I haven't received notifications. Is it broken?
I don't know, it's been working fine for me. Sometimes I don't get added to a list or get blocked for awhile, and then I don't hear from them until there's a reason to be notified again. I'd suggest asking them for help.
If I have a definite answer beyond knowing that these lists can limit your notifications if you are on too many of these nefarious lists (use @listifications.app btw) I will let you know but thanks for letting me know all the same!
@listifications.app gave me an idea, for now I will give bsky some time but since I am both a SE and work in CTI, I will do the inverse by listing these bad actors but I will not be using ATproto or such since my idea on this will not be actionable as in a list one can subscribe to or such
UPDATE: 1/2 Given the post by Bsky Safety I could proceed with this, not expanding since I posted (profile) & shared this w/ relevant experts. It's a peer-reviewed research (relevant yes), unlike Twitter(X) I cannot deal directly with Musk as I did '22/3 when I left Twitter just when Musk bought it.
2/2 I did not agree with the vile content he allowed and well him being him, & having some shared history, any rate grew tired of his antics but neither here nor there, I tend to see things through, 1st step, the rest will be dealt will differently (may take longer) but this was the final straw.
1/3 Just want to add, if you view the profiles on these lists you will find the inverse, thus, those creating these lists ARE in fact weaponizing profiles void from what they claim, clean begging the question whether the opposite is not true and here is why I personally say this
2/3 Where I am from, well for one, my Govt. filed the case re genocide as per unric.org/en/south-afr... so again I want to make it perfectly clear that ppl make claims that I clearly oppose is not something I take lightly. And lastly
3/3 If you go through my posts, mentions, followers & who I follow you will find that I'm not transphobic, not remotely so. Yet I'm posting these because I had the guts to point out & post a screenshot, as result I get blocked notifications & therefore I am posting this... any rate.
I can’t even scroll your timeline because jumps up to the top of your page. There are some glitches that need to be fixed for sure.
Thanks for letting me know, yeah, it is interesting thanks for letting me know I did check on both my own mobile and laptop and seems fine on my end... perhaps intentional on their end will keep an eye out!
Hiya, I got added to the same list you did, the 1st one of the two in the pic. Friendly fyi, that account is now gone.
1/2 Awesome, thank you MM, I really appreciate the feedback re both you mentioned, & in that regard I take it you're a programmer yourself, but yeah @listifications.app add me some months back, at 1st all good then the rise of these people creating lists to poison the well so to speak.
2/2 No need for me to say be careful, but if @bsky.app is not going to going to stop this then I will start "listing" these bad faith profiles but not on here, working on some ideas as we speak, since I do CTI and SE also.
We follow each other. I’ve been added to lists as well, and unable to report or even see what the list is about! How is that fair?
Correct it is not fair, but I think that is the idea behind these bad actors to invert and weaponize. I already got in contact with Safety and now that they have admitted, they have no choice but to resolve this as it is a violation of regulations they need to abide by. I am not let this slide.
I appreciate you doing this. Thank you!
You are welcome, but in reality I you, all speaking out, helps those of us to hold some feed to some [hell] fire, I will not be harassed, libeled and I am willing to bet I am not alone. Their post now binds them to take accountability. Regulators are now more fierce than ever.
so yeah having said that, you are defamed, cannot remove yourself from these lists, report it to the mod team you get to a point when you post pretty much into a void... reporting it getting an email from bsky "we are looking into...." but yeah I tried, and as I said I keep record, so not lying.
Just get rid of them entirely. Even getting added to a positive list is annoying as you get loads of random adding you
I like it! It would be nice if we blocked a list creator though that would mean we get removed from their lists as well. Would save everyone a ton of work, I think.
At that point they would have to throw out the idea of block lists. Seems they are trying to tread a middle road
To be honest I'd be personally okay throwing out block lists. There are so many that are malicious/unfounded/based on the user's personal beef, & so many caught in the crossfire, I never feel comfortable subbing to one. At the very least, it should be a one-time mass block and not a *continuous* sub
in my opinion you should only be subbing to ones that are managed by users / accounts you trust. Personally I feel that within any social media ecosystem there should be functionality for communities / groups / like minded users to help each other flag problematic accounts.
For this purpose I much prefer labelers, which are more easily seen and appealed, and prompt the user to make individual judgement calls about whether to block someone or not, given the context
That is fair. And if Bsky decided to do away with block / mute lists and just left labelers I wouldn't be outraged. Either way I'm happy they are making an effort to allow some level of grass roots moderation.
yea. alot of people just use em to harass people. dramawhores specifically
who are best ignored. I've found that the drama whores, as you put it, tend to have a few hundred people (who tend to be like minded) subscribing to their lists, at most
well I can say I have blocked those creating these list they add me on but insofar as I can tell for now, that means nothing, they need to be removed by the moderation team... however your suggestion is more or less what they should do or it might be seen that they negate regulations.
Get rid of @skywatch.blue. This loser put me on a label list for having a blue heart 💙 emoji in my profile, among other lists.
What @skywatch.blue is doing is disgusting. It's ridiculous to label someone because he or she has added a blue heart to his name or bio. I'm gonna write an article about the lack of good arguments that such so-called "moderation services" use to justify their practices.
What angers me most of all is the fact that it looks like @skywatch.blue and @moderation-lists.bsky.social are deliberately trying to prevent the growth of progressive movements using completely nonsensical arguments. They should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
Skywatch has no affiliation with Bluesky. Everyone complains to Bluesky about this account and they do nothing.
I have been added to a list called 'Zionists' - I mainly post pro-Ukrainian content. I can only assume this is an antisemitic list. Please investigate.
Please fix this.
Bluesky is also allowing lists that smear anti-fascists to remain in the open while hiding other lists. Bluesky looks to be a typical Silicon Valley fascist adjacent operation. A damn shame as I had higher hopes for it. bsky.app/profile/jami...
Moderation lists were a bad idea. The negative potential outweighs the positive there. Lists for promotion are fine.
IBTD. There should be a way for a subscriber to manually exempt someone from the filtering effect that the list has in its subscriber's feed.
It's interesting to note I've been put on an AI Chud list. Not even sure what that is.
Please stop labelling @DireTalks as spam, he is not spam #TrumpCheated
change lists to fix this- you cant see them or report them if the creator has you blocked
Sorry, on this issue you're FAILING! Blocked an acct this week to avoid and/or end any issue. In response the acct places me on lists intended to have others block me, hurt my rep. Not good enough to avoid a problem, needs to make it more of one. Knock off the nonsense, cure this issue already.
Thank you for finally taking action! But it is not enough!! We need to be able to remove ourselves from abusive lists!!
Agree 💯! There is too much organized "moderator trolls" placing a lot of resisters, democrats and #BlueCrew supporters on block lists, and "moderated" with wrongful labels.
Exactly!! Offensive and demeaning labels. We don’t need that floating around.
Thank you !
Lists can be great and nuisances. Sometimes, we simply don't wish to be on certain lists. Rather than reporting such lists, or list creators, and hoping for Bluesky to make them invisible or take them down, we should be given the option to remove ourselves from them. Blocking creators doesn't help.
Exactly
100% true! We get put on lists for reason of targeting. It's kind of strange because the rest of this platform is really great.
You’re right! I think the lists should be removed now.
I do agree there. The starter packs are great. If they could fix the follow farmer and blue heart thing that's annoying because you have to constantly unhide posts. The MAGA works somewhat but too many people have landed in them. I wish there was a way to figure this out!
Some of us really need our lists tho. I don’t know what I’d do without mine. The bulk of people who use lists do not use them to harass people, so why penalize them because of a few? We need to address the few instead.
Yall let fucking nazis post whatever they want but suspended my other account for combating them? Get fucked you fucking nazi supporting nerds.
@bsky.app Bluesky Moderation Service (Turkey) @moderation-tr.bsky.app Why was it closed? Isn't this a free platform?
today would be a great day to ban Jesse Singal, and it was anyone other than another pro pedophilia pro transphobia guy then Aaron would have done it a long time ago
You need to allow users to remove themselves from lists, and have the option to not be added to lists at all. We do not live in good faith times and if a tool can be used to abuse, it will be.
Speaking of harassment and unproven allegations, why hasn't this account been banned? Almost a year passed and their list isnt even hidden.
And no the people added to that list aren't maga, this person is the founder of a revenge porn website who is also known for shitty behavior in social media bsky.app/profile/char...
And this thread has more screencaps about his presence online: bsky.app/profile/herb...
huh,interesting,might avoid this man from now on
Maybe I am Naive but I created lists (for my personal use) and a few small starter packs (for my daughter). None of them were offensive in any way. Check them if you like. When I created them I was imediately blocked by many people. In all honesty it was a very unwelcoming environment.
I knew next to nothing about social media or how to even utilize/use a smartphone and have tried to be as helpful as I can to others experiencing the same. We need to be a little less possessive and be a little More cooperative. I've been put on hateful offensively named lists
as well. Do I want and expect to be removed because it's unjust, YES. Is there an all encompassing solution that is fair, NO. But I am certain that Jay is aware of the problem. When there is a solution we need to spread it far and wide. In the meantime I agree with what I read here months ago
Blocking individually IS simple. As others have said in this thread, if you see a list take the time to go through it so you don't accidentally follow or block someone you don't intend to. Keep reporting to admin. what you believe is a problem. Believe in yourself and do your best. 💙💙💙
Yes!
Users should be responsible for checking things like clearsky and listification. Only a little users would build labelers or feeds, they are much less difficult to moderate. Users should be able to be hidden in feeds, lists and starterpacks when they block/mute their creators, except for mod lists.
Mod lists can be moderate with labelers. Bluesky can show users which accounts they followed are moderated by lists/labelers they subscribe, in the blueskyapp. Bluesky can make paid subscription donation features ,so labelers can have funds to be better, which is bluesky team have talk about.
Bluesky can verify authentic identity of users by a official labeler. This could be set as a paid feature. So these verified accounts are more trustworthy for subscripting their moderation service. Bluesky should keep the decentralization, the openness, and the moderation tools.
Among who is pushing bluesky to eliminate the moderation tools, some are fake/abusive accounts that attempt to making bluesky no better than other platforms; some abuse others, then abuse lists to revenge others, create the problems and claim that they're the victims; some choose to
check things like clearsky or listification, but want to eliminate the labelers too, even labelers wouldn't spam/block people and can be moderated easily? Don't buy them. People enjoy none moderation should go apps like Threads/X , if not they're abusive or fake accounts.
What does automated activity mean? I don’t have any idea and you threatened me with restricting my account ?
But what is the fix? How do you make it so people can remove themselves from lists they don’t want to be a part of and have been blocked?
Thank you,,, dude has been adding me to a bunch of awful lists nonstop literally just because I blocked him once
The fact that you can't prevent this by blocking the list holder is my #1 negative thing here at Bluesky. I'm having an enjoyable experience here, except for that. It's bullying by people who want their own little fiefdoms. That, and the feeds don't refresh,they are where you left off, not fresh.
Agreed. I use the listification app so am notified when someone adds me to a list. I can't imagine doing so without asking first, and most have. I did appreciate being able to remove myself on X by blocking the creator. That should be an option here. I've considered leaving over this issue alone.
Huh. I have a list of favorites just for me. Didn’t realize it was offensive. Just wanted to have my favorites all in one spot
It's the whole "making the list subscribeable" thing is making them into weapons.
I didn’t really connect with bluesky until I was able to make a list of my favorites. I can see how it could be used negatively but for me it made all the difference positively!
Got it. Thanks
Starter Packs not seen the same way "lists" are. Starter Packs are good, not all "Lists" are good.
I get it now but just hadn’t thought of it in that manner. I used to use notifications so I could see my favorites so here I just made a list.
That’s not offensive at all. That’s what I think lists should be. I’m always honored when someone (listification tells me) puts me on a private list of their own. I’m only talking about lists that can prevent others from seeing posts they might want to. Or insulting named lists. Lots of those.
yes
Please for safety's sake, make it so we drop off the lists of anyone we block.
I uncovered several lists that falsely represent accounts. I will begin to report them, but fear that it will not make a difference, as others have cited. This, and wrongly deactivating accounts, is the type of thing that would deter me from paying for a premium account if offered.
Wait… you are telling me that lists are public by default? I have been making a lot of lists, assuming they were private unless shared, to group people/organizations for my own, private feeds. Public by default is just… a poor design choice.
They should have been more clear about that. But the main interest of lists imo (imagining people use correct descriptions), is that they allow people to know why they are on them, unlike manual blocks, follows and mutes.
Everything on Bluesky is public. It's a design choice. Hell, you can even go on clearsky.app to see who blocked you, who you're blocking, what lists you're on, etc
Thanks! I use @clearsky.app and @listifications.app, too. As I said, I think public-by-default for lists is a poor design choice. I give leeway on the rough spots in the lists implementation (seemingly not being able to display them alphabetically, for instance), but public-only is bad.
Oh, well, to be fair, they really didn't explicitly say that lists are public, but you are right, "everything is public on Bluesky unless stated otherwise" is a good rule of thumb.
Yeah, that's what I go with
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LOL 😅 a whole bunch of nothing.
Finally! Thank you.
Can you also make it possible for us to remove ourselves from lists that we have not consented to be on?
Lists are VERY MUCH USED TO HARASS USERS Also it creates ghettos of users who cannot access entire rafts of users who are not on the list. They're used to create an elite class of users. How very NOT egalitarian or particularly polite.
Pathetic
Why are people you've blocked still able to see you and add you to lists? Also, why do the harassment lists made by suspended accounts remain active and in place? If the purpose was to harass, then the list should also be eliminated, and subscribers dissolved.
They can't. They add you to the list before you block them or they block you. Once blocked you can't see them & they can't see you at all. I would agree, I would think anything associated with any deleted account would be deleted, too.
Listify and Clearsky show blocks, and if you know the user's full name you can search and see a block
Aha!
Was put on a ‘Drama’ list by someone Jay follows. Was never informed why. Did I intimidate someone or they trying to intimidate me? More and more I’m close to deleting my acct. I don’t care anymore.
I know it's frustrating but do you really think giving up is the right move, especially right now? This is the nature of social media. Just because some unknown, unimportant, strangers blocked you? Look at all the people who follow and engage with you, and focus on that. So stop being cranky!! 😝
😊 Thanks for the response. The blocks don’t bother me.. I actually welcome them. It’s the someone associated w/bS labeling me as ‘drama’ w/o explaining why. 🤷🏻♀️
Thanks, guess I’ve whined about it enough. Just one thing I’ve never been accused of, is being dramatic. I’m really pretty laid back, except when it comes to bullying. I blv bullies are cowards and unacceptable and will not tolerate bullies.
I didn’t mind the drama one, it was the nazi, maga or transphobe one pissed me off.
Oh and we know those aren’t true. Some ppl never mature. Children have more respect than those knuckleheads
I’m over it all now that I’ve been convinced it is all to create chaos and dishearten users to the site. I truly regret whining over it.. but that’s just me. We all deal with things differently and that makes us great. However you’re right, It’s B.S. dealing with it here bc that’s why I left T.
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I hear ya. Just don't think this incident rises to the "throw in the towel" level 😎
You’re right. I’d sure miss my friends here. Thanks for the pep talk. Greatly Appreciate it. ✌🏼
🫶🏼 ✌🏼and 💙 to ya’
True. I’m learning..
Haven’t heard that in over 50 years. lol
Thought your query deserved a reply!? If your referring to lists shown on clearsky.app which have the account suspended/deactivated (did string instead of account). The list even if with your account on the list is no longer effective. So any possible subscribers will no longer be blocking by it.
Hi John, is this what you're saying? I block User X User X creates and adds me to block list User X gets suspended Block list is eliminated Subscribers to that list can now see my account? But the bigger ? is why can they add me to a list if I block them.
It is just in the nature of moderation lists, I maintain my own moderation lists, because I don't trust mass blocklist where the creator can add accounts for whatever petty reasons. Some people block and unblock to harass accounts. So if an account blocks me it is ... 👇
... it is easier for me to add them to a mod list, instead of blocking them across my 3 accounts so I honour the block! Non mod lists behave differently where your account doesn't show to others if you have blocked the creator. I think you got the concept in your comment?
Thank you. What is the difference between mod lists and non-mod lists?
Mod lists: - bsky.app/moderation/m... found in settings moderation. With subs to block or mute. Normal lists:- bsky.app/lists for accounts you want to have a feed of accounts but not necessarily follow. Or pin for frequent viewing or pin ones created by others.
Example of non mod list, I created:- bsky.app/profile/cork... And a bad faith non mod list created by account that I mutually block:- bsky.app/profile/did:... The account added me even with the block, where my account doesn't show to others.
Thanks. Frankly, I think this is all absurdly petty, and actually a weak link in BlueSky. Security and privacy sacrificed for convenience. People you block should not be able to take any action whatsoever against you.
Unfortunately reciprocate blocks are a necessary. Reports of trolls blocking someone, removing the block, taking screenshots and posting them on account and re blocking! The above doesn't rule out using alternative accounts or third party utilities to see content. ... 👇
I’m glad you’re acknowledging this, but can you please give people the ability to remove themselves from abusive lists? Especially the ones that label people with serious allegations, because I’ve seen way too many people added to lists like this because of their stance on fiction.
I understand giving everyone the ability to remove themselves from any lists would defeat the purpose of blocklists, but if your system confirms the lists are abusive and then hidden to everyone except the creator, then that should give people the ability to remove themselves.
Do you realize that people are being bullied by being put on nasty named list that do not fit their accounts at all? These people are ready to leave here because they are being bullied. Please take this feature down. It is not worth it.🙏💙🌟
??? What lists?
The nasty moderation ones where they put you on this like porn and Nazis and other slander type list so that everyone will report and block you. It’s a form of bullying.
I honestly had no idea of such a list! 😱 How to tell if you’re on these lists? What can we do about them? Ty for sharing! 💙
Also go to clearsky.app
Thank you friends! ♥️
Follow Listifications it will tell you when anyone puts u in a pack or a list. 🩷
Agreed!!
Agree 💯! There is too much organized "moderator trolls" placing a lot of resisters, democrats and #BlueCrew supporters on block lists, and "moderated" with wrongful labels. These folks are abusing others, controlling the narrative and simply put.. they are online pathological trolls.
I do not understand this! Where are these lists! Please help!
Once you subscribe to Listifications they will tell you every time somebody puts you on some horrible list. These people to me are blue Maga. I think blue sky should take down this feature as it’s being used for bullying.
Ty 💙
Christine.. you can go to ClearSky and type in your name there. Then you can see which lists you are on etc.
Ty so much! ♥️
Ty 💙
I believe it is blue Maga and I think that blue sky should stop this practice as it is being used for bullying. Every time somebody puts me on one I post it publicly and I also report.💙😇
People should be allowed to filter out cringe content
I noticed that I get blocked by people who I don't know
Thanks for your safety policies.
I created ONE list as a means of defense after having been harassed and placed on a bunch of lists beforehand. Are all of these lists subject to your new rule as well? I'd gladly delete my ONE list if I could see any action by Bluesky to protect others equally. clearsky.app/jamiedcville...
Neil Gaiman - sexual predator ...
I am now on Listifications and it tells me who has blocked me. I have never had an interaction with the people so I suspect there is a list that is sent out as a Pack that suggests people who should be blocked.
I am a Democrat and do not favor the current regime. Perhaps that is why I am blocked by them? I ran for office three terms and won and am politically active.
Gee, no shit, Sherlock
We need to realize there IS an actual effort being made by opponents of what Bluesky represents and degrade this platform that now competes with Musk's Twitter/X. Lists may have been a bit out of control but when they are used maliciously THAT should be curtailed after due process by Bluesky mgt.
Just like you use spam labels to abuse good people for trying to survive genocide.
I use it only because I can't remember the handles of people I like to follow. Is there a bookmark feature in the works?
Just get rid of block lists.
For the last two months or so I get a “can’t connect to server”message each time I try and edit my lists so I can no longer subscribe or move lists up and down. Doesn’t matter which device I’m using. Please advise.
I really don’t see any positive benefit in blocklists. Don’t change their behaviour - get rid of them. You can still block anyone you want. We don’t need people putting us on lists to prevent our engagement.
You need to ban these blocklists. They are used to harm users & don’t serve any useful purpose
Sorry, friend, but I disagree. I never see any hatebags on here I subscribe to a couple of really good blocklists. I'm on a couple of lists, too. One for people who follow more than 5k accts (idk, whatever) and 1 for Dems. Ok, cool, folks who don't want to see my posts won't. Seems like a win-win.
If you don't see any hate on here, congratulations. But it exists.
I mean I KNOW it exists. I can't make it stop existing, but I don't wish to interact with it. That's where the blocklists have been invaluable.
I was responding to a post about why I was not wearing a mask. It was very reasonable. The poster has blocked me and the conversation is continuing and I can’t it. How do I report this
Can’t see it
The user @nrdslr gives users to lists without thinking! It seems to happen out of pure malice. He has put severely chronically ill people with RLS,PNP,Lupus,MS,MECFS and others on the Ableism/Saneism list! Stop this!
Geblockt
Does anyone know what the Blockenheimer moderation list is? Apparently I’ve been added to it. And blocked by the person who did it.
What I found
I've found Blockenheimer seems to pull in false positives and block people who haven't liked a post or followed an account, so don't use it. Avoid it at all costs.
Thank you!
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hey why are you complying with authoritarian censorship for Turkey
Why you are censoring turkish accounts !!! Whats difference between you and twitter !????
You guys just get millions of accounts thanks to tukiye and you are gonna loose all soon
I just found Lists feature and use it so I can actually see what my favorite people are saying because they were never floating to the top of my feed.
Yeah, I’m being harassed in a similar way by an account I blocked for adding me to an inappropriate list. The account continues to be able to do that. It’s nuts that Bluesky doesn’t seem to be interested in the safety concerns of those of us being harassed this way.
It's so weird
I don't recall having any interaction with this account, but whoo boy do they not like me. 🤷♂️
I don’t know why Bluesky allows it. My harasser/stalker jut added me to another list today, and I have her blocked.
They have a small mod team
This is a bad excuse when all they have to do is adjust the coding to enable users to remove themselves from list. They don’t need a large moderation team for that, they just need someone to make an adjustment.
Are you going to stop allowing Black women calling out racism to have every post on their accounts tagged as intolerant?
You need to give us the option to remove ourselves from Lists and block the ability to be re-added.
Exactement.
Outstanding!!
I make lists for me to use about topics such as editorial cartoons, law, science, human rights, literature, etc. it makes it easier for me to find what I am looking for. @BlueSky please allow us to make those lists private. I’m a retired academic reference librarian & I like to organize resources.
People shouldn't be added to any lists without their permission, imho.
I don’t want to be on lists, use lists or see them in my feed.Starter packs etc are not for me. Ppl follow a pack of us w/o looking @ individual accts. I see Palestinian propaganda from ppl who followed me w/o looking at my Zionist opinions first. They wouldn’t follow me if they looked first.
Kudos, this is a good move. Some ideas for future updates: * blocking a user removes you from any of their lists * let users make private lists * show the number of lists a user has that are hidden due to harassment
That last one for sure!!
honestly, this sucks @moderation.bsky.app has a bad track record and giving them full access to call any list they don’t like “harassment” is garbage for example, we have plenty of proof of the problems involving @jessesingal but yall will definitely call anti jesse lists “harassment” incorrectly
🚨❌ this account « Maxime Haes » on @bsky.app @safety.bsky.app has been using a « list » to denigrate and wrongly accuse people please take action upon this account immediately who could be convicted for this under French laws. Thank you 👇🏻
❌🚨 Not only does Mr Maxime Haes on @bsky.app @safety.bsky.app does denigrate and insult people , putting them in « fascist , racist » list wrongly He makes fun of the fact he can do this with no consequences on Twitter Please take action about toxic behavior on your plateform now 👇🏻❌
How bout changing the list towards groups like Facebook. That way the ones joining actually align with the groups subject and the creator can give moderation powers to select users to maintain the peace.
Can we do anything about these devious label makers? I'm labeled 6 times for different things by the same individual. All labels that aren't true.
Me bloody to, it's so annoying.
I'm so sorry that you've had to experience this as well. 🫂
How about let people remove themselves from lists…? Every feature should be audited to consider how the shittiest people will (ab)use it. Block lists, for instance, seem silly to me and rife for abuse. You have no control over landing in one yet it can have an outsized effect on your experience.
Y'kinda gave the reason that people can't remove themselves from modlists: the worst people will simply remove themselves and continue to harass or whatever undesired behavior they were doing in the first place. As for feed lists, you can already remove yourself by blocking the creator.
And when the maker of the list blocks you, you can’t even report the list for harassment.
Yes you can. Create an alt account with a different email. Never do anything from it but get around blocks to report things. That’s what I did.
Bluesky turned into despicable hell hole because of giving these quasi-admin privileges to complete nutjobs. Thank you for enabling this feature to everyone, I hope it was worth it.
I’m glad they are looking at list harassment. Someone created a subscription moderation list entitled “list abuse for list abusers” and then replicated it at least *100,000* times with only my account on it. To see: Clearsky app Type in my handle Tap ‘LISTS ON’ The account now has been suspended.
The account that created these lists was called taylus.bsky.social and has had many accounts: jdlast007.bsky.social douchefairy.bsky.social wankerwatchlist.bsky.social seggie.ca seggie.me cdnbrit.bsky.social templaunch.bsky.social removed from the platform. Do you think they feel better now? 🤣
What about modifying the rules and system so that a particular user can add the unwanted account to only one (1) block/mute moderation list? Right now, you can be on 18 moderation lists by the same user account.😆 I don’t create moderation lists because of list abuse.
@mcspocky.bsky.social this thread from BlueSky Safety addresses the harassment from some moderation lists. Hoping it helps! Lots of people- like me- end up on ridiculous ones. So far I just block but this could change things.
The management of Lists here is going to encourage me to delete my account. If we have no say on what lists we are included on then we are at risk of defamation and harassment. Not good.
Exactly. Report those lists does nothing for me or protect me.
The biggest problem with them is this site is dominated with hardcore brainwashed democrats who are as hateful as any MAGA and the lists are always block lists with nasty titles! It’s impossible to feel safe here & now I understand why the independent journalists don’t post here!
@mcspocky.bsky.social 👆🏾 Keep making your voice heard & let everyone who's been negatively impacted by these erroneous type of lists know.
Is it possible to have a #norobots setting? Meaning if an account is running hashtag bots or is an NPC you either BLOCK, MUTE or QUARANTINE them from creating engaging your account. I'm convinced there are people on here purposely trying to tank the project
I’m on two lists from a person who put me in a second list long after I’d blocked her. In addition to all the lists by people who were mad I blocked them.
finally, thank you
But how do we report this when it happens?
I think the usual way we report..
How's that?
It‘s not that easy. Mostly people add you to abuse and harassment lists and block you. You are not able to see the lists anymore to report them properly. Bsk protect the owners of the lists and not the people who got set on harassment and abusing lists for no reason. :(
I totally agree that it's being misused. Also, I've noticed block-lists that feign one side and get people to subscribe, then they have tricked you, so that you are blocking allies. Which stifles community.
Allow us to remove ourselves from abusive lists ffs.
good.
Honestly I just found it easier to limit the amount of lists I'm subbed too down to two and will just block/mute users individually instead. Some of the lists I was previously subbed too were defunct; dead lists should be automatically deleted after 60 days.
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We need to be able to opt out of lists. Even Twitter got this one right.
Asking if It could be possible to create something that stop adding people to lists or starter packs without permission. I found myself in a bad list only because I liked a kidlit book. Or at least a message that tell me that I was added. Thank you
It would be nice to be able to remove oneself from a list. Please give us that ability. I am on one now that is harassment.
Users also do not get a notification when added to a list so there's no way of knowing
yeah this is a great app, very helpful in many ways, and if bsky is not responsive this app may be pure gold.
This is a terrible app that gives you brainworms. It's worse than the "who unfriended you" extension that used to work on Facebook. Literally all it does is give you something to stress about that is utterly not worth your time and energy.
The Listifications app account lets you know when you’re added to a list.
Don't use Listifications, as the follower list is public and people are using it to spam ads etc. Check clearsky.app since it lives outside of Bluesky. You don't get live notifications but honestly those aren't good for your mental health anyway
I already know these things guys but don't use them for a reason I was talking about in-app functionality not by a 3rd party
Clearsky will also show lists an account is on too
These are both also 3rd party data harvest programs It would be nicer to have it as in-app functionality
It's not data harvesting; everything is part of the ATprotocol and thus they're just as valid as Bluesky itself. Same thing with apps like Flashes, Skylight, Streamplace, etc. - all use the same backend servers, but interpret the data differently. Bluesky was built to do that
Ok
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Remove from any list really. I didn’t ask to be on ‘AI training’ as an example
I’m on one list for “no porn” and one list for “nsfw posts”. It’s literally impossible to come out ahead here.
I wondered why there was a list blocking blue hearts. I've always had one next to my username because Man City football club. Lifelong fan. The list owner blocked me! So now I use blue hearts as often as possible. Doctor Who. NHS. Anyone who follows that ridiculous list will miss my posts.
There’s a list for that because a LOT like a TON of accounts with them are follow farming
I haven't seen them. As soon as I posted the above, the list owner blocked me. But I had already been following them for ages because I subscribed to some of their other lists. Weird. I had a blue heart next to my name since I created my account here.
Most of those lists have 0 subscribers, and they would never be seen except for Listifications or clearsky. Also, if you could remove yourself, so could anyone from any list - even "mod list of known scammers", for example. Mostly I recommend ignoring the tools, since they're the harassment vector
IMO it should be impossible to remove yourself from blocklists, as then everyone on a blocklist can just ask to be taken off and it defeats the entire point of the blocklist. I can see that argument for regular lists/starter packs, though
If I get added to a blocklist of MAGA adherents I would like to be able to remove myself from such a list as I am the farthest thing from those bloody Nazis. So I disagree.
If a Neo Nazi gets added to a Nazi Blocklist, should they be able to remove themselves? Doesn't this defeat the whole point of having a blocklist to begin with if anyone can arbitrarily edit a list? Sure, you may be added to some troll list and that sucks, but nobody actually *uses* those.
If you were added to a list of pedophiles you’d be ok with that?
Would I be "ok" with it? Obviously not. But people write mean, stupid, untrue stuff on the internet all the time. I cannot delete their comments just because I feel like it. If anything, a platform's moderation team arbitrates and handles it. Lists are no different and that's where Bsky is going.
Again, self-removal from lists just means bad actors will pollute our feeds once more. Given the chance they will assuredly skip being list filtered and continue to avoid moderation by dancing around the TOS. Lists let everybody add another layer of self-moderation and improves the experience, imo.
I was added to a list called "dumbest cunts on Bluesky" back in the early days. Vaguely irritating, but had zero impact on my life as anyone interested in subscribing to that list is not someone I want to talk to anyway. Eventually it was deleted, either b/c owner deleted or b/c mod team nuked it.
Let's see, I am currently on lists called "dipshits to ignore," "big ol stinkers," and "incapable of critical thought." 🙄 Also a "reply guys" list, helpfully subtitled "derogatory." None of which, crucially, has more than ten subscribers.
Yeah, to me lists like that are just the trash taking themselves out. Doesn't impact my experience and if they are happier having me blocked, let them have it then.
This!
How can a person that I blocked for being a troll still put me on lists so I am food for other trolls
when will you ban jesse singal? he is harassing trans people. everybody wants him gone. he is making this platform unsafe. he violated the TOS multiple times.
Some people on here are advocating to get rid of lists. I use them for myself to manage the firehose of posts and Bluesky would be unworkable without them. Sometimes I want to look at primarily history posts and I have a History list. Sometimes Books.. you get the drift…
Me too. I went a little wild with starter packs when I got here, and before I knew it, I was following nearly 8k accounts! It was overwhelming, so I spent a couple of days severely trimming that and switching to lists instead.
feeds and labelers > lists and packs
Can you check these lists and remove them then? Or me from them? Some of them added me to these lists because I blocked the list creator. They are using @clearsky.app to harass people by adding people who block them to these lists. Thank you!
Your screenshot of lists are all 'DID' strings, so the accounts have already been suspended and lists deactivated! The other screenshot has only 5 subscribers, 2 are the creator and an alt account. Bug with @clearsky.app that counts deactivated lists in the block total! clearsky.app/izagar.bsky....
Oh neat! I learned something new! Thanks stranger! I'll be sure to keep an eye on the lists and accounts though and be less worried. *notes*
How to fix lists: Only private lists allowed. For personal use, not for sharing. Nobody can see them but creator. Ability to opt out from being added to lists and to remove oneself from a particular one. Creator ability to post to list members exclusively (with DMs or normal TL posts)
I add and block individually. I don’t use follow or block lists and I don’t use starter packs. So I would prefer not to be on/in any. Would love an option to not be allowed on list or in starter packs or at least the ability to remove myself.
This is not the solution people wanted. Who's to say the reporting itself isn't the harassment in some cases?
How are you going to measure proven or unproven allegations when we can't attach proof to items in our lists?
PLEASE just let us make lists private by choice. Good lord.
Literally anyone can say "this is an unproven allegation" about a list they're bitter about being on and there's little recourse because you'll believe that automatically.
Are you gonna take down any list with the word "shitlibs" in the title?
And I have yet to figure out how I get off someone's effin' list.
Thank you for this!