because they're relieved that they're not the focus right now

Nah they're just not in this news cycle.

I can explain that. You see sovereign citizens were actually just white supremacists living in constant fear that people of other races were ascending to positions of power. They don’t like answering to or paying taxes to a government that isn’t ran exclusively by white people.

Let’s take a look at our main sovereign citizen moments. Ruby Ridge, white supremacist gun smuggler gets raided use his family as human shields and gets son and wife killed. Waco, crazed cult ran by a pedophile was stock piling and modifying a legal firearms. The Oklahoma City bombings.

The inspiring martyrs of the sovereign citizen movement was a neo Nazi,a cult leading pedophile, and another neo Nazi radicalized by the first 2. When they say sovereign citizen. They mean the protected class at the top of the fascist racial, ethnic, religious, sexual orientation, gender, hierarchy.

You actually checked in on those guys?!

It’s not their country, not their fight, I guess?

Everybody gangsta until FBI get deployed for traffic cop duty.

and all libertarians. Not a single one is defying this. Not a single one is suing over this.

I think there's such a vanishingly small number of real libertarians that it would be hard to tell if there are any defying the Trump admin. There are a huge number of right wingers who pretend to be libertarians when it suits them, and of course they're totally onboard with it.

The Libertarian party was taken over a few years ago by the right wing (pro trump Misses caucus). The individual libertarians who exist, like me, do not have that platform to amplify our voices anymore.

More like the Republican party got taken over by the people behind the libertarian movement from the very beginning, Birchers / Kochs

Not in the least bit true. Koch got run out of the LP 45 years ago. No libertarian is in favor of a theocracy, so no Birchers. I understand why you say things like that. It is common. But it isn't real. Being libertarian is all about one concept. No initiation of violence. That is it.

The current LP is very much in favor of initiation of violence. Which is why the libertarians have left the party.

Every person I knew that was a libertarian before 2020 started leaning into the trump bullshit. If you look deep down, there's libertarian fingerprints all over his agenda. Libertarians just need to grow the fuck up and realize none of it works in real life. Same with the anarchists.

That YOU knew. Name something libertarian that tre45on has done. I can't.

Cutting taxes on the rich is pretty much a libertarian staple. Deregulation is a libertarian staple. Rule by those with all the money is a libertarian staple. Open your eyes, it was all a long con.

You are correct that cutting taxes is a libertarian thing. But, and it is a HUGE 'but', taxes get cut because SPENDING gets cut. 90% cut to the military. 100% cuts to ICE and Border Patrol. Ending oil subsidies. Etc. Get to zero national debt, THEN cut taxes. Can you imagine tre45on doing that??

Wanna know why Koch broes left the party? It was that "deregulation" bit. They HATED that. Because the libertarian alternative was to require polluters to clean their messes, and not outsource the costs to the public. Not outsourcing lowers taxes. YOU got conned you agreed to a system where we pay

Do you remember this case? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_El...

to be fair, for a long time libertarianism hasn't exactly been railing about police oppression of black people

I have never met a libertarian who didn't vocally disapprove of police violence. I mean, it's THE core principle they ALL hold, no initiation of violence. I would love to met a libertarian who ignored or minimized state violence. Just to hear them justify it.

most "libertarians" are just Republicans too embarrassed to admit it. The South Park guys are the exception, and even they have had plenty of gang o' pedos (GOP) aligned views, such as "climate change is a hoax because I thought about it for ten seconds and it seemed fake".

That's a common statement, but untrue. And the Southpark guys apologized to Gore for what they said about climate change. 20 years ago.

Libertarians are just embarassed republicans

It is embarrassing to live in a nation that spends as much as we do on the military. It is embarrassing to lead the world in number of prisoners. It is embarrassing to never fight for a law protecting body autonomy. Need I go on?

Add "state rights" people there.

That was always the escape hatch for libertarians. Ron Paul was for personal liberties except abortion should be up to the states.

Real.

All busy right now. Fighting to lower the age of consent for girls to have sex with men. they'll be back, though! soon as we hit a national 14 years or less, lol!

that's because they're the ones doing the detaining.

Probably because they’re being detained

Those are the people in ice.

Are you talking about 1st Amendment auditors?

i'm traveling bro, you can't touch me i'm traveling

I am the beneficiary of the user who like this post.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds James

Oh, puhlease... those rights don't apply to brown people! /s. //feels dirty to say it even in jest...

I mean it's kind of hard to talk through those masks since most of them are taking ICE jobs at $150k/yr.

Thats because they’ve all been detainedz

Libertarians and sovereign citizens when it's the GOP in charge:

I did have my first WV cousin admit to me that “the government may be as bad as the others” the other day. Given that his perspective could be charitably described as “oppositional defiant” with every previous administration I’ll see it as progress.

I’ll note that I don’t know what the final straw was and I didn’t ask. It is perfectly likely that the answer is just as disconnected from reality as everything else and I don’t want to press too hard on that.

Heh. At least you had a heads-up and knew better than to ask. I regret finding out a guy I play tabletop games with was a Trumper, when I THOUGHT he wasn’t, after he said the most retarded shit I’ve EVER heard. “I admired Trump for wanting to release the Epstein list, even though —

— his name was on it, before somebody stopped him.” There were more paint-drinkingly-stupid opinions besides that, like countering my statement of (“Trump’s doing whatever he wants!”) with an EXASPERATED “He HASN’T been doing everything he wants!😭” LIKE THAT WAS A BAD THING.

I’ve NEVER had my respect for someone drop FASTER in one conversation, than at that moment. Jesus Christ. It was more than a month ago, haven’t spoken to the guy since. KINDA wanna see if he STILL thinks Trump “wanted” those files released, but the guy’s probably still chugging retard-juice.

And yes, I’m gonna use that word because it applies here. “If you have EVERYTHING going for you in your life, you have no disabilities, all your mental and emotional facilities intact, and YOU STILL say some DUMB shit like THAT? You’re fucking retarded.” — (Paraphrased) Chris Titus “The R-word”

I’m reminded of that description of the median voter by (I think, paraphrasing) @mtsw.bsky.social, “the median voter thinks the nfl commissioner is a cabinet position and gets mad at the president when Comcast changes the channel order”. Do not scratch the surface of a median voter (derogatory).

It’s hard to take you seriously when you use a slur like that. Grow up

That's an "ODD median voter brain" opinion right there.

Meant only to be observed from a distance or in a controlled environment, never to be truly understood.

And for god's sake, never EVER come into direct contact with it.