This isn’t a thing, btw. She’s the magistrate, her husband’s been out of the gig for fifteen years, and it’s pharmaceuticals, not healthcare. No conflict.
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But Judge Merchan's daughter is a democratic fundraiser, so it's all a witchunt!
dec 24, 2024, 4:46 am • 1 0 • view
The law is written by the powerful to suppress the powerless. He should be tried by his peers, not a member of the wealthy ruling elite class.
dec 24, 2024, 1:01 pm • 0 0 • view
The “peers” part refers to the jury, not the judges.
dec 24, 2024, 2:05 pm • 15 0 • view
How did I not already have that guy blocked?
dec 24, 2024, 5:16 pm • 3 0 • view
Literally could be CEO of a different pharmaceutical company currently and probably wouldn't be a conflict.
dec 24, 2024, 6:23 pm • 3 0 • view
And she’s not even assigned to the case!
dec 24, 2024, 6:24 pm • 4 0 • view
Wow, she was assigned to take his plea only? Disappointing click bait. Thanks for clarifying.
dec 24, 2024, 8:19 pm • 1 0 • view
Yep. Disappointing as fuck, and pretty damaging to @kenklippenstein.bsky.social’s credibility imho
dec 24, 2024, 8:58 pm • 3 0 • view
This isn't in line with your expectations of him as a break news source?
dec 24, 2024, 9:52 pm • 0 0 • view
That’s my secret. I’m always capable of being disappointed.
dec 24, 2024, 9:53 pm • 1 0 • view
The quoted posting is so dumb, I immediately had to check whether I had logged into Twitter by mistake.
dec 24, 2024, 5:08 pm • 21 0 • view
Straight up.
dec 24, 2024, 5:12 pm • 9 0 • view
Just noticed that Ken calls it a “Senior Executive Retirement Plan”, which is not what SERP means
dec 24, 2024, 10:39 pm • 10 0 • view
Add another untruth to the pile
dec 24, 2024, 10:40 pm • 9 0 • view
The more I look at this, the more it looks like the husband only qualifies as any sort of executive in 1)a narrow sense based on an IRS rule about high income employees; 2)a broad sense where effectively any manager is an executive
dec 24, 2024, 10:43 pm • 10 0 • view
Apparently he was a VP, which I presume means that the GC is the President of Legal and every assistant GC is a VP of legal
dec 24, 2024, 10:46 pm • 10 0 • view
Exactly. I worked in legal at a record label after college, and all of my bosses were VPs, reporting to the EVP/President. Any attorneys they hired for the department were brought on *as VPs* but were still relatively low on the corporate pecking order. Definitely not paid crazy well, either.
dec 24, 2024, 10:59 pm • 4 0 • view
Yeah Vice President titles get handed out in lieu of things like benefits or raises.
dec 24, 2024, 10:49 pm • 7 0 • view
Use the same conflict of interest standards as SCOTUS
dec 24, 2024, 3:08 pm • 1 0 • view
I see Ken is displaying the same instincts that gets him on Bannon’s show.
dec 24, 2024, 4:51 pm • 5 0 • view
"No-nonsense reporting..." it says. 🤦 What a waste of bits.
dec 25, 2024, 12:12 am • 1 0 • view
Just want to point out that health insurance is not "healthcare" and we should stop conflating them Also, I don't love that the MJ has nearly a million in stock invested in megacorps, but it's a bit of a tautology to point out that judges represent the status quo.
dec 24, 2024, 4:04 am • 37 1 • view
The outcome has no capacity to change her financial position, though. (But your point about health insurance vs. healthcare is well made.)
dec 24, 2024, 4:06 am • 28 0 • view
I'm not making a conflict-of-interest argument. Just pointing out that the criminal "justice" system is (almost by definition) controlled by people who are deeply embedded in the status quo and who approach their jobs with that worldview
dec 24, 2024, 4:10 am • 28 0 • view
100%. Couldn't agree with you more. But also, the more removed from an ivory tower and the more connected with the community judges are, the more relationships they will have that are tangentially related to potential issues in the case.
dec 24, 2024, 4:12 am • 23 0 • view
Well, we know that on the whole, federal judges are not connected with the community in any meaningful sense. A significant percentage of federal judges are former prosecutors. One good thing Biden did was to appoint a lot more former public defenders to federal judgeship
dec 24, 2024, 4:17 am • 24 2 • view
Yeah. These are state judges, who tend to be more connected to the community -- for better and worse.
dec 24, 2024, 4:23 am • 10 0 • view
Well, 56% of NY state judges are former prosecutors so, on average they're bottom of the barrel strivers
dec 24, 2024, 4:29 am • 11 1 • view
That's better odds than usual tbh
dec 24, 2024, 4:46 am • 7 0 • view
Not sure why I said this when it’s in federal court — plz disregard!
dec 24, 2024, 5:34 pm • 3 0 • view
Off topic but related; some Friends of mine were trying to do a jury trial in Key West and it was super hard to find jurors who didn’t personally know people connected to the case….
dec 24, 2024, 4:17 am • 2 0 • view
I have had some very tangential involvement with criminal trials in the Permian Basin in TX. There are similar issues there.
dec 24, 2024, 4:21 am • 1 0 • view
Right? Like get out of your ivory tower and go work for a pharmaceutical company like the rest of us plebes
dec 24, 2024, 4:13 pm • 1 0 • view
Or marry a corporate lawyer, in this case
dec 24, 2024, 4:15 pm • 1 0 • view
And yet you use healthcare, very interesting
dec 24, 2024, 3:38 am • 3 0 • view
Big conflict, even if it’s just perceived. Judges are held to a higher standard
dec 24, 2024, 2:49 am • 0 0 • view
Would you consider it a conflict if the magistrate judge in the Dylan Roof case was married to an Asian-American?
dec 24, 2024, 3:32 am • 2 0 • view
If I was his defense and there was a bias (vs conflict of interest) due to who their partner is and the only way to confirm otherwise is a hearing then yes I’ll question that issue if it serves my client’s interests. Fuck Dylan roof tho
dec 24, 2024, 3:35 am • 0 0 • view
No conflict whatsoever. Check out the actual rules.
dec 24, 2024, 2:50 am • 13 0 • view
Ah the rules that brought us here in the first place?
dec 24, 2024, 2:52 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah, the rules by which the courts operate, for everyone.
dec 24, 2024, 3:00 am • 20 0 • view
Seems SCOTUS hasn't broken any rules either, so we're all good.
dec 24, 2024, 3:10 pm • 0 0 • view
Many of the judges on the Supreme Court *have* broken the rules.
dec 24, 2024, 3:12 pm • 1 0 • view
Oh yeah, forgot to say "enforceable rules"
dec 24, 2024, 3:15 pm • 0 0 • view
*Do*
dec 24, 2024, 3:17 pm • 1 0 • view
Not to mention that anyone “out” of health care is free to be honest about how bad it is.
dec 24, 2024, 9:08 pm • 1 0 • view
I would offer that insurance isn't healthcare, either.
dec 24, 2024, 2:50 am • 6 0 • view
Indeed, it's often quite the opposite.
dec 24, 2024, 3:18 am • 3 0 • view
Sure.
dec 24, 2024, 2:50 am • 3 0 • view
Here’s the judge’s 2023 disclosure report, in case you want to see what her actual holdings are in reality. drive.google.com/file/d/12PvT...
dec 24, 2024, 3:28 pm • 86 5 • view
Thanks for pulling and posting. Heartened to see it’s mostly mutual funds. I’m of the opinion judges should avoid individual stocks all together, but I don’t see that standard happening in my lifetime.
dec 24, 2024, 3:39 pm • 7 0 • view
I love that the notion has coalesced that the conflict is "she is biased against getting shot" which uh.... Well, gonna cause some systemic issues if that's a conflict
dec 24, 2024, 3:33 pm • 11 0 • view
AND SHE ISN’T EVEN ASSIGNED TO THE CASE. The case isn’t assigned to anyone yet!
dec 24, 2024, 5:06 pm • 86 7 • view
I will withhold my final judgement until the trial concludes. But nobody likes being judged by the Millionaires and Billionaires, because NoBODY brings them to justice.
dec 24, 2024, 7:02 pm • 0 0 • view
This is the judge who *heard the arraingment*
dec 24, 2024, 7:06 pm • 4 0 • view
And like I said, let's see who the trial judge is. Let's see how the case proceeds, and how it resolves.
dec 24, 2024, 7:15 pm • 0 0 • view
Wait, I thought we already had a name for a presiding judge. Gregory Carro I think it was?
dec 24, 2024, 5:25 pm • 1 0 • view
It’s unassigned on both PACER and RECAP.
dec 24, 2024, 5:32 pm • 4 0 • view
Mangione made his initial appearance in Manhattan federal court Thursday afternoon, hours after the unsealing of the criminal complaint. Mangione stepped into a packed federal courtroom for an appearance before Magistrate Judge Katharine Parker.
dec 25, 2024, 12:47 am • 0 0 • view
Yep. She was on the arraignment docket. She is not assigned to the case.
dec 25, 2024, 12:49 am • 8 0 • view
Never said she was assigned to case, she handled his pretrial. So nailed it? Not even a little, you twist to fit your boot licking agenda. You will never be one of them and god forbid you ever need cancer treatment and are denied
dec 25, 2024, 1:03 am • 0 0 • view
She handled his detention hearing. She is not “handling his pretrial hearings.” There will be many, many, MANY more hearings in this case.
dec 25, 2024, 1:04 am • 8 0 • view
So how would this play out if he had shot your dad in the back?
dec 25, 2024, 1:54 am • 0 0 • view
He went into court, was informed of the charges, and his lawyer plead not guilty on his behalf. Clerical staff entered the plea. Not even Samuel Alito or Aileen Cannon could fuck that up.
dec 25, 2024, 5:40 am • 4 0 • view
I dunno about that, they are some of the dumbest most crooked justices there are but you’re kind to give them any credibility whatsoever
dec 25, 2024, 6:59 am • 0 0 • view
Your original work?
dec 25, 2024, 1:32 am • 3 0 • view
Yes, but apart from that
dec 24, 2024, 5:07 pm • 12 0 • view
oh, you, basing your opinions on reality and actual conflicts of interest.
dec 24, 2024, 3:31 pm • 4 0 • view
I don't care if he was in pharmaceutical *advertising* (like my father was) those folks are all in bed together. I don't suppose they could find a judge with a chronic health condition?
dec 24, 2024, 7:47 pm • 0 0 • view
Do you think your father’s job would make you unfit to hear the guy’s arraignment?
dec 24, 2024, 9:10 pm • 3 0 • view
Borderline, but I would understand anyone who thought that it didn't look that good for someone who had the greater part of their life paid for with money obtained from pharma to preside over that. How would it look if the magistrate's brother-in-law had died because of an insurance company denial?
dec 24, 2024, 9:39 pm • 0 0 • view
Fine? All she did was take his plea. She’s not assigned to the case.
dec 24, 2024, 10:21 pm • 1 0 • view
Ok, point taken. Let’s see who does get assigned. Probably nobody with a CEO or three in their friends circle, surely. Judges don’t often associate with folks like that, do they?
dec 25, 2024, 12:48 am • 0 0 • view
Of the judges at SDNY, who would you most like to see get it?
dec 25, 2024, 12:51 am • 2 0 • view
I don’t know the backgrounds of all 45 district judges at SDNY, but hopefully there are at least one or two who grew up in a middle class neighborhood, and are still young enough to remember it.
dec 25, 2024, 1:29 am • 0 0 • view
Now the Daily Beast is running with it.😩
dec 24, 2024, 4:34 am • 1 0 • view
I’m sure pharmaceutical execs feel perfectly perfectly comfortable that everyone understands the superior morality of their pricing decisions. They would never want to make an example of Luigi because of his antipathy for health insurance execs
dec 24, 2024, 3:33 pm • 1 0 • view
There are no pharmaceutical execs involved here. How do you suppose the MJ would be able to “make an example” of Luigi, and how would her husband’s job fifteen years ago influence her to do that?
dec 24, 2024, 3:37 pm • 13 0 • view
The harm that pharmaceutical overpricing does to people is closely analogous to the harm of insurance claim denial. I think pharma execs think they have the same target on their back as insurance execs. I have no idea about this particular judge but COI is about perception as well as direct conflict
dec 24, 2024, 3:45 pm • 0 0 • view
A good rule of discussion: anytime you find yourself writing "I have no idea about this particular case" 2/3 of the way through an argument, that's a good sign you should scrap the argument and go look up the facts.
dec 24, 2024, 3:50 pm • 6 0 • view
I’m not the one claiming to know the heart of the judge. I was unaware that you all know that particulars of this judge and case in order to clearly deny any conflict of interest
dec 24, 2024, 3:56 pm • 0 0 • view
The question you were asked was "How do you suppose the MJ would be able to 'make an example' of Luigi, and how would her husband’s job fifteen years ago influence her to do that?" That is not a question about "the heart of the judge." That is a practical question.
dec 24, 2024, 3:58 pm • 2 0 • view
Magistrate judges don't oversee trials and have very limited powers. Even if her spouse were a current health insurance executive, she would still not have the power to do anything but a few routine admin tasks before handing the case off to a full judge.
dec 24, 2024, 4:02 pm • 3 0 • view
In this case, her spouse never even worked for a health insurance company--he stopped working in a different field that *interacts with* health insurance fifteen years ago. By no reasonable standard is that an appearance of bias.
dec 24, 2024, 4:07 pm • 2 0 • view
Ok, thank you
dec 24, 2024, 4:10 pm • 0 0 • view
Nobody involved is a pharma exec. Her husband was an assistant GC to Pfizer fifteen years ago. That’s it.
dec 24, 2024, 3:47 pm • 8 0 • view
Ok, not an exec.
dec 24, 2024, 3:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Out of the industry for more than a decade.
dec 24, 2024, 3:53 pm • 2 0 • view
Not an actual conflict of interest under law but absolutely newsworthy. And if you think the spouse of a former Pharma exec isnt going to have inherent biases against Mangioni you’re a rube
dec 24, 2024, 3:53 am • 5 0 • view
This isn't a case about healthcare, insurance, or prescription medication. The only place I can imagine a bias could effect things is the terms of the sentence and the death penalty, none of which the MJ touches.
dec 24, 2024, 4:02 am • 5 0 • view
Lmfao ok
dec 24, 2024, 6:33 am • 0 0 • view
It’s true.
dec 24, 2024, 2:05 pm • 3 0 • view
How is it absolutely newsworthy if it’s not a conflict?
dec 24, 2024, 4:06 am • 0 0 • view
Because a literal “conflict” almost never happens. Short of previously representing a party, being a family member of a party, or owning stock in a party, judges almost never recuse. It’s newsworthy for how pervasive elites/execs are in the “justice” system that is supposed to be neutral
dec 24, 2024, 6:32 am • 0 0 • view
Embarassing that i have to explain this to grownups
dec 24, 2024, 6:33 am • 0 0 • view
You don’t have to be such a dick about it.
dec 24, 2024, 6:36 am • 0 0 • view
Sorry. Im tired.
dec 24, 2024, 6:37 am • 0 0 • view
Which element of the crime or the defenses will those biases go to?
dec 24, 2024, 3:54 am • 19 0 • view
All of them.
dec 24, 2024, 3:58 am • 0 0 • view
Walk me through it.
dec 24, 2024, 3:59 am • 26 0 • view
oh boy
dec 24, 2024, 3:47 pm • 15 0 • view
Keep going? Ok, the recusal statute has absolutely nothing to do with the “elements” of a crime. A conflict, or a perceived conflict, arises because of a bias or prejudice between the judge and a party.
dec 24, 2024, 4:33 pm • 0 0 • view
Under the *law,* there is no actual conflict with this particular judge. But as a matter of fact, anyone who think the spouse of a former exec of a major company carries no biases in this case has a baby brain.
dec 24, 2024, 4:35 pm • 1 0 • view
My favorite thing about *law* is how often it is broken, ignored, overturned, disregarded & otherwise used as a game by the wealthy/powerful. If the law as a concept was applied equally-despite being written so clearly as to not be applied equally-our world would be very different. #justwordsonpaper
dec 24, 2024, 5:42 pm • 1 0 • view
I'd be more worried about bias if I had a med mal case in front of a judge whose husband is a physician. And the idea that a former pharma exec's spouse would necessarily or even likely have a bias against this defendant simplifies things to a point that is, to borrow a phrase, "baby brain."
dec 24, 2024, 5:03 pm • 23 0 • view
Is the idea that the judge would be sympathetic to the murder of a health insurance executive but for this other interest? I’d love to hear someone explain this conflict with particularity.
dec 24, 2024, 5:06 pm • 5 0 • view
Whether or not shes “sympathetic,” it’s easy to see her being overly harsh (ie, not neutral), because she thinks that her husband and his colleagues are next. But for 100th time, im not saying its a recusable “conflict.”
dec 24, 2024, 5:12 pm • 0 0 • view
Former assistant general counsel. He’s a corporate lawyer.
dec 24, 2024, 4:37 pm • 4 0 • view
So, an executive. Part of executive leadership. How deep in this stupid hole do u plan on digging yourself?
dec 24, 2024, 4:39 pm • 0 0 • view
Fifteen years ago, her husband was the assistant GC for Pfizer, and you think that’s influencing her current decisions?
dec 24, 2024, 4:42 pm • 6 0 • view
Man, take the L.
dec 24, 2024, 4:45 pm • 4 0 • view
dec 24, 2024, 4:50 pm • 3 0 • view
Assumes you're right (you're not, of course) that's not really a problem. You're required to be impartial. You're not required to be a literal robot.
dec 24, 2024, 4:44 pm • 6 0 • view
Thats your opinion. Youre entitled to it. Me? I would prefer a federal bench that isnt full of corporate elites.
dec 24, 2024, 4:48 pm • 0 0 • view
What qualifies this judge as a corporate elite?
dec 24, 2024, 4:49 pm • 4 0 • view
I’m starting to wonder whether anyone beating this recusal drum has ever tried to obtain medication in the United States of America? Like, between me, a pharma company, and an insurance company, only one party has gotten in the way of me obtaining my healthcare. The other two hate the insurer.
dec 24, 2024, 4:05 am • 20 0 • view
When did BlueSky start allowing babies on this site? amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/...
dec 24, 2024, 4:31 pm • 1 0 • view
Not sure, but we can confidently narrow it down to "before you joined up"
dec 24, 2024, 7:50 pm • 3 0 • view
Dunno. When did you lose object permanence? This is about a lawyer who stopped working for Pfizer 15 years ago. Pharma companies, like patients, want insurance companies to cover stuff/pay up. You can be rude all you like, but you can’t create a recusal-worthy conflict out of thin air.
dec 24, 2024, 4:46 pm • 11 0 • view
Block this person. Your life will be better for it. Free yourself from their stupid trolling forever.
dec 24, 2024, 5:18 pm • 3 0 • view
Sometime before you were let in, obv.
dec 24, 2024, 7:52 pm • 1 0 • view
When did you sign up? It’s that date.
dec 24, 2024, 10:51 pm • 0 0 • view
All the magistrate judge is in this case is essentially a scheduler. Its a formality. The judge does nothing in this case. The trial will not be held in front of her. I dont believe she even decides bail. Newsworthy? Meh. Below the fold or inside. Not A1.
dec 24, 2024, 4:00 am • 2 0 • view
Magistrate judges have way more authority than u think in criminal cases. Its not like civil cases. They sign warrants, set bond, oversee discovery, etc
dec 24, 2024, 6:16 am • 1 0 • view
Okay, long and short. Is it a conflict? Yes, but small. Should they continue on the case? Probably Not. Will they oversee the case? Nope. If it was the trial judge, I'd be outraged. (See also "Cannon, Aileen") This? Meh. (1/2)
dec 24, 2024, 6:28 am • 0 0 • view
If the magistrate judge wants to keep their name out of the headlines and avoid all of this hoopla, they should recuse because of the possible appearance of impropriety. If the government wants to avoid an appellate issue, they need to recuse. I absolutely get your point and what youre saying.
dec 24, 2024, 6:32 am • 0 0 • view
There’s no appellate issue here whatsoever. And every judge is going to have their name in the headlines in a case like this one.
dec 24, 2024, 2:07 pm • 4 0 • view
Alternatively, Pharma companies hate health insurance companies as much as the next person, too. Denial on covering expensive prescriptions often means not that people pay out of pocket but that they don’t get treatment.
dec 24, 2024, 3:00 pm • 2 0 • view
I mean, pharma companies are a necessary evil while health insurance companies are an unnecessary one. So the former are frequently not first up against the wall on most people’s lists.
dec 24, 2024, 4:49 pm • 1 0 • view
Lmao pharma companies are 100% unnecessary
dec 24, 2024, 4:58 pm • 0 0 • view
I mean… they make meds and someone has to do that, so we do need them by definition. Unless your argument is against the capitalist megacorp model, in which case that’s fine.
dec 24, 2024, 5:05 pm • 1 0 • view
Youre getting closer
dec 24, 2024, 5:06 pm • 1 0 • view
I have less faith in the government managing that than in ever implementing single payer. They managed to cut CMS reimbursements with this emergency bill and kept 1 pediatric cancer funding initiative of 4.
dec 24, 2024, 5:24 pm • 0 0 • view
If a tiny country under crippling embargoes/sanctions for 60+ years can do it, pretty sure the US is up to the task www.unido.org/stories/layi....
dec 24, 2024, 5:28 pm • 1 0 • view
I applaud your optimism. May we be truly so blessed.
dec 24, 2024, 5:30 pm • 0 0 • view
No one knows what it means but it’s provocative. Gets the people going
dec 24, 2024, 2:39 am • 4 0 • view
it’s why i’ve never followed him
dec 24, 2024, 5:20 am • 0 0 • view
But Kathryn.....he also owns pharma stock!!!!
dec 24, 2024, 4:12 am • 1 0 • view
*she
dec 24, 2024, 4:15 am • 1 0 • view
There will be red-string-theory takedowns of anyone who touches the Mangione case. No judge/jury will be pure enough. Everyone will be attacked, either via transitive-property-of-bad-people (“his son-in-law once worked in healthcare!”) or allegations about beliefs. It won’t go how they want it to.
dec 24, 2024, 3:00 pm • 10 0 • view
That post is an example of why Community Notes is something all social platforms should have
dec 24, 2024, 3:39 am • 26 1 • view
Ken overhyping something to drive traffic to his site? Say it ain't so!
dec 24, 2024, 2:38 am • 24 0 • view
Never mind the fact that after a felony arraignment, the magistrate is basically just letters on the case number anyway.
dec 24, 2024, 3:44 pm • 3 0 • view