Leaders calm violence not incite it! That’s what Trump does

This isn't calming violence, this is non action

indeed, calming violence would require de-escalation

Too many of the Democratic party elected representatives in the Senate and House as well as the donor class that OP referenced are helping push the bottle or are simply watching the bottle get pushed. Both lead to functionally the same outcome. As the quote puts it Neutrality helps the oppressor.

Or imagine this….we showed up to vote giving us the majority and some control of the courts. Lazy none voters and purist gave us the courts and Trump. Now all of you want to blame leadership.

1/It's not a binary and this framing indicates you want to help push the bottle off the table, whether through neutrality or helping to push it yourself, as long as the current opposition party to it is in the minority at the federal legislature and there is a lack of "some control of the courts".

2/ Blaming first, foremost, and only people who didn't vote MAGA and those who didn't vote at all is such a tell. Helpful hint here: 1. DJT 2. Material supporters of DJT campaigns (staff, financers, propaganda in the press, etc) 3. DJT voters 4. Mitch McConnell 5. 1 again 6. SCOTUS 7. 2 & 3 again

3/ If your not one of the "resistance" grifters from twitter you certainly post like one.

i get that she doesn't want a shooting to be answered with another shooting -- which, in and of itself, is a noble aspiration -- but can she also get fucking mad too? answer: we know from reports that yes, she can... so why not now

Ghouls so mad at the woman mourning her friends and dealing with the fact that she was on that hit list. But gosh, she isn't displaying the appropriate amount of anger for ghouls like you. Wtf is wrong with you?

what happened is awful. in all honesty, i don't think there's a correct amount of anger. hell, maybe anger isn't even the right answer at all. i'm for justice, and not the frontier type. the whole thing honestly just makes me sad about where we are.

sen. klobuchar doesn't owe me a damn thing. she should do whatever she needs to. it's just so incensing that in the wake of something like this, upstanding politicians like the senator still have to maintain a stiff upper lip against the venom from the other side. doesn't seem just.

there will come a time, in due time, when those who were closest to this tragedy will feel compelled to share their opinions about the culture that fed this catastrophe. what i hope is that, if sen. klobuchar is angry, when she's ready, she'll let it out. and when she does, she'll speak for me too.

and if she takes another path entirely, i support her that way too.

You could just delete your bad tweet instead of posting 4 times saying nothing

i don't think i said nothing. i owed clarity. and since i said what i said in the first place, it's on me to own it. also, how did your response help anything? i contend it did not.

I contend encouraging you to think before you post would be a net good

fair comment. are we done?

I voted for Dems because they are not venomous Republicans. Why do I want the people I support to be more like the people I hate? Why do you?

i really don't. i firmly believe venom is counterproductive, and the only path to progress is rigorous, civil debate. but that's not today's politics. believe it or not, i'm an idealist. but the GOP takes it to the mat so consistently, it's very hard not to want your reps to firmly stand up to it.

personally, i think the path to progress requires congressional terms limits and highly structured campaign finance laws. if serving in congress was no longer a lifetime career, i think it would attract fewer of the wrong types of people. then maybe we'd get people who actually serve the public.

btw, i do think sen. klobuchar is an excellent public servant and the people of MN should be proud. i'm talking much more about the other side. but both sides could use it.

So why agree with the ghoul attacking her?

*sigh* i think he felt the same anger a lot of us feel -- that time and time again, we watch Dem politicians call this normal behavior and do nothing while they wait for the pendulum to swing back the other way (his first post)... (1/2)

That stiff upper lip keeps her from succumbing to the anger and telling us to physically fight back, an eye for an eye. She is doing the responsible thing. We need to be reminded of our belief that political violence is wrong. We are better than that.

i think it's possible to be righteously angry AND not endorse responsive violence as a just or sustainable response at the same time. but i do respect and aspire to her restraint. i wrote this somewhere in here, but the whole thing is a tragedy and makes me sad more than anything.

Right. We all want peace but without taking action against the Republican enablers they are also enabling violence. They caught the guy, cool. Problem is, he was the symptom and not the disease.

the culture of violent rhetoric that has radicalized people into committing these atrocities has, over time, revealed itself to come from almost exclusively conservative, right-wing sources, including the president. so who really needs to calm their shit down? i just want someone in power to say it

Perhaps if the shooter was responsible for getting her a salad she’d be angrier.

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Gotta bring the sexism!! USA! USA! USA!

it's fair to say that her non-female colleagues should be evaluated on the same metrics as she has been. but this isn't sexism for sexism's sake, it's a matter of record.

We've all read that article and had it posted to us a million times. It is sexism. We never complain about men holding their staff to a high standard.

the original article was NYT, but i posted this commentary instead in solidarity with the idea that all public servants should be evaluated the same regardless of gender.

IMO, considering the fact that men have routinely held more power in the world, and the state of it today, men ABSOLUTELY should be held to a higher standard. to the degree that my sharing that story seemed an endorsement of using different metrics to criticize pols based on gender, i apologize.

Except they aren't. A) if a male Senator was a dick, I don't think his own staffers would deem it unacceptable if they got yelled at for not providing a fork with a salad. And B) if that staffer did say the boss was unreasonable for requiring a fork, there would not be an article about it.

agreed on all counts, sadly

Oh damn

Now THAT is worthy of throwing things. But assassination is just a bump in the road.

There is vulgar crap all over social media regarding the murders so she is calling for civility. Makes sense to me. What do you think her appropriate statement should be.

You all are some vicious people in these comments….like damn. I am outta here.

BYE

I think y’all missed the point…she’s not CLEARLY telling Republicans/MAGA….she’s making a broad statement and both sides-ing it….as if Democrats are out there hunting Republicans or committing stochastic terrorism, like Republicans are CLEARLY doing to Democrats. That’s what I took from it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

...what you'd get if Susan Collins switched parties

Stop tag teaming with Republicans to attack Democrats, you sick fucking ghoul

Thank you

Earned you a follow

cheers!

You’re getting roasted. Maybe learn something from this.

She's always been a wet blanket

GFY you sick motherfucker. Only a worthless piece of shit would find something wrong with condemning violence. WTF is wrong with you?

They still think they can work with these people and compromise with them. No they can't. That is over, and it's foolish to even try. This won't end until they get mad and stop trying to make nice. This shit must end.

Well, if democrats can’t compromise with republicans on anything, and Republicans are in charge of everything, you literally will get nothing until you elect a majority of Democrats. A minority party cannot force the majority to do anything.

Yeah. There you go.

This is shockingly irresponsible of you. Did you even read the story?! Stop attacking victims.

Lol I must have missed when Amy Klobuchar was shot

Okay Mike Lee. Gfy

She was the target of an assassination attempt and her friends have just been murdered. What the entire fuck is wrong with your brain.

She was on the assassin's kill list and had been with the victim a day or two prior.

We didn't miss that you are a pos, did we? Anti fascist are you? You seem far more like an enabler, pos you are. LOL, what are you? 5? Grow the f up, you stand for no one.

You don't even know what "fascist" is. . . .😂🤣 You dumbasses just throw it around like you know what it means.

absolute madness

This is especially gross because MELISSA WAS HER FUCKING FRIEND. I have several friends on the shooter's list and it makes me so sick and angry that I know I can never be civil to these pieces of shit ever again.

I never heard of you before this and I guess that's why. You're obviously trying to generate engagement and sell tickets to your tour. I'm sorry you suck.

Born in Pakistan. Moved to US at 18. Finished college & started career as comedian. Actor. Proposing violence sounds good but is of course exactly what Trump wants so he can declare martial law & cancel elections.

Google “The Big Sick” - an excellent movie

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I’m sorry, what exactly is it you’d like her to say instead, that we or Dem pols should react violently?

she is saying both sides' rhetoric led up to these murders. That is complete BS. The violence gushes daily from the GQP and Faux News

She’s only saying that if you ignore her actual quotes and make up entire new ones yourself.

No, she is not saying that. I read it as her clearly referring to some of the GOP rhetoric. Although I do think she could have named names (Mike Lee from Utah, for one).

Now is the time to be specific. This is not a "Both Sides" moment

I agree she should have been more specific.

Do you have any home training at all?! WHO TF raised you? Can you at least shut up while the family plans the funeral?

Um, we don't use the village square to lop off heads and stone innocent women for kicks like Muslim countries do... If you need that shit, go find it elsewhere.

As a constituent of klobuchar’s, you’re 100% correct. She is the epitome of saying nothing and also doing nothing.

As a constituent of Klobuchar, you and this asshole can both go fuck yourselves.

You’re so wrong for this. Her friend she saw hours before she was murdered. Delete.

Nope he is very right. She should have some fire and fight for that reason, not be calling for civility for fascists and accomplices to murder. Stop defending weakness that isn't rising to the moment.

Quit having no compassion for a woman whose friend was just murdered. Compassion is what we have that they don’t, one of the many things that makes us better than them.

I’ll tell the people that are murdering their political opponents that my compassion for them should shame them into changing their ways. Wish me luck!

What? Who is having compassion for them? I’m simply saying to maybe leave a woman who is grieving alone for 3-5 business days…is that so hard for everyone??

I do enjoy seeing people with a platform use it for good. Thank you for that. Do you think the toothless Dems are maybe ungrounded from their voters? It feels like they are happy with business as usual which seeks to point to either they don't know what we are going through or are paid to look away

well, that was a expected reaction remember when Nancy Pelosi husband almost got killed? I thought that she would do everything in her power to get rid off those people but nothing really happened, they are basically saying they agree with the open season of democrats hunt 🤷🏻‍♂️

The people in this comment section are insufferable. We would have never gotten to this point if the Democrats didn’t ALWAYS take the moral high ground at the wrong time. Decorum this, work across the isle that. The GOP has given them a playbook in how to shut everything down. USE IT!

We don’t need a left Joe Rogan, we need elected officials to fight like they’re not bought & paid for. The dems consistently fumble the ball & it’s getting more difficult to vote for them. I’d rather vote in a cat. At least a cat doesn’t take shit from people it doesn’t like.

Dems are doing the same thing the press does; trying to normalize this and act like it’s business as usual. IT’S NOT. There is a way to show anger and outrage without provoking violence. That’s what leadership is all about.

"Guys, maybe if we just ask nicely they'll stop killing us?"

It's licking the boots of the oppressor hoping they'll stop curb stomping you. No balls

Every good story I've ever heard, the good guys must fight back. You can fight back with words, with peaceful protest, by demonstrations of will. Fighting does not mean violence or killing, but we must fight we must show our will. If we do not fight we will lose.

A better way to finish that thought... We will not win, until we learn how to fight.

I’m from MN and I’ve yet hear anyone tell me “Oh, I just love her.” I hate her. My friends hate her. A lot of her voters hate her. She’s just awful.

When I say I’m from here, I was born and raised here. I have an ancestor on my mothers side who fought for the north from MN, and one on my fathers side who traveled south for the confederacy. My ancestors settled this state. Idk why I went that deep, consider yourself fckd by a Minnesotan. Lol 😝

You haven't talked to many people have you?

My God. Seriously. Delete this tweet.

We're not on Twitter

This is why there should be primaries for all. If you can't beat a primary, then there you go. If you do beat the primary, you'll come out stronger. Enough playing defense when we're losing. Offense only from here on out.

Thank you for speaking truth here, the amplification of elected Dems abdicating in this moment is necessary.

What would you have her say?

I would have her call out the GOP for their disgusting lies. But doing nothing and calling for 'civility' from people who have none is good too, I guess.

thehill.com/homenews/sen.... Like this?

They’re laughing at her

The centrists are brain dead

They think they can go back to the way it was pre-MAGA. Never going to happen. We need younger people who aren't afraid to fight.

lol right they won't fight. they all shit the bed in 2024.

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Sorry this woman who just 48 hours ago found out her close friend, whom she had just dined with, was brutally murdered by a lunatic didn’t express the exact amount of anger to satisfy you Kumail! She should be more focused on satisfying the needs of Hollywood celebrities during this difficult time.

What a sick fucking asshole

Many Monty Python quotes applicable these day “Let’s not argue and bicker who killed who.”

So you're saying, Democrats should be a terrorist organization? Pass. PS Any meaningful criticism of the GOP?

the media isn't either. they are both sidesing everything instead of pointing out where most of the violence comes from

You stupid motherfucker. She just lost a good friend. She's trying to ratchet down the rhetoric. What the fuck do you want her to do???

Would you have preferred she take a gun to the Senate floor and start shooting people? What the fuck do you expect her to do? Maybe assholes like you should treat other people like human beings & not use their tragedy as the jumping off point for chasing clicks.

She can stop trying to work with and normalize the cult. These are not normal times. The GOP cannot be trusted, yet she continues to push for bipartisanship, to the country's detriment. She can stop confirming the Fascist's nominees; it's a great place to start.

Act like they are dangerous terrorists that are murdering and kidnapping people and not valued colleagues with whom you can iron out differences in bill over lunch.

An #OldGuard #Uniparty #CorporatistDemocrat who will always choose bending right for bi-partisanship over the Democratic Party platform. They slowly chip away at the essence of what the party stands for. By confirming 7 of tRUmp's nominees, she normalized the regime. She holds the progression back.

good point!

They don’t fight. They don’t use their power for good. They don’t see the danger. They don’t say what they actually believe… or have no beliefs. They are beige, hollow, poll-tested septuagenarians who live in a delusion of “everything returning to normal” if they just “don’t rock the boat” enough.🙄

Democrats bringing this energy hard

She was the one giggling with Vance and Kushner at trumpie's inauguration.

She's been terrible at not stopping the destruction of the country.

Wtf Kumail, literally doesn’t get more left than her or I, she’s talking to her community here, that is very much not the correct take, she had fucking dinner with the murdered victim a day before.

Civility is bullshit. We need to go back to the days when people were publicly shamed and relegated to obscurity.

This is literally her job. De escalation. My god she was friends with one of the people that died.

No. Her job isn't de-escalation. Her job is making laws that are, hopefully, designed to protect & improve the lives of USAmericans. If someone interferes w/ that job by, say, assassinating her fellow lawmakers, she should be working VERY HARD on ending that interference & whatever made it possible.

So….what about House members who’ve gotten exactly ZERO bills to the Senate floor? Because there’s a huge swath of our populace who say they should be president.

Idk what she’s thinking but you really think Rs are going to heed the call and turn down the rhetoric? Only if it was that simple.

Yes and then she had to give credit to law enforcement who had opportunities to stop him and then apprehend him, but watched as he murdered two people and then let him get away She also felt the need to give credit to John Thune of all people who is one of the people who has brought us to this point

I mean, you were at a donors dinner. No. Their lives won’t change much. Frankly, yours probably won’t, either. But a senator asking for a stop to violence isn’t toothless. It’s responsible. That marvel movie muscle wrecked your brain, dude.

She definitely should’ve body checked him, amirite? bsky.app/profile/empt...

You owe her and us an apology. Delete this now, this was a disgusting and wrong post of yours.

The woman who died was a personal friend of Amy Klobuchar. It might be pretty tone deaf and insensitive to claim she’s not doing enough. This is not a wise post and I say that as a big fan.

I'm so sick of all of them Kumail. They are weak and feckless wastes of space.

When you decades long friend is shot to death along with her husband a few hours you’ve had dinner with her you might plead for a better way. She’s in shock. Let’s give Amy a break.

So, what? Should she be out there with a gun or something? What exactly do you want here?

Where’s the camera Klobuchar? Yeah, she’s our version of Susan Collins