The Esptein thing is a thing…sort of. But not really. So let’s play this out. Let’s say somehow the entire file is released and TACO is all over the place (yes, I know he will never allow that). But let’s say it does and he is. Then what? Will he be impeached? HELL NO! So then what?
There is literally no way in hell he allows himself to be removed from office. Soooo….what then? What’s the plan at that point? Do you think he cares if he’s disgraced? Do you think his base cares? Again, I think the bigger issue is that the Epstein files prove the Kompromat Russia has on
Pam, it would be easier and require fewer characters to just say you don't care about holding pedophiles and sex traffickers to account.
Who is going to get rid of him?
Luigi
If he was raping children, he should be immediately arrested. He doesn’t get “presidential immunity” for that. How is this a difficult question?
If 🤣
I think his base cares quite a bit. this is the first time he's gotten wrapped up in a controversy where his supporters haven't immediately fallen into lock step
It doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing effort. Will all of his base abandon him? No, probably not. But *some* will. They *do* care about Epstein. And that will erode his power and ability to do what he wants. That makes pursuing this worthwile. It's enough just to erode his support.
And that's just the political case for pursuing this. There's the other reason, which is that he's an evil piece of shit who we should pursue in the interests of justice, especially if he's actually all over the files. It's not just about politics. It's also about what's right.
Any Trump supporter who sticks with him after “this thing” (or whatever you’re calling it) can be labeled as pro-child abuse, and therefore shunned from all polite society. “Hey, neighbor, saw that Trump sign in your yard. You still with him after all this? Okay, no block party invite for you.”
I know what you mean but Hitler didn’t plan to leave his office, too…
He’s not going to leave office except through death anyhow, so we might as well shine some light on these scumbags so we can at least watch them squirm.
This is fatalistic, cynical, moronic, depraved, out of touch, short sighted, galaxy-brained dipshittery . Why even post THIS on the Internet as it will surely mean far less than exposing the President as a pedo?
There is no agency, person, or government that will remove t. Just as neocons wanted.
The point is to punish pedophiles for molesting children. Do you really need that explained.
If he does not allow himself to be removed from office… make him leave by force. There is something about democracy vs tyranny in here.
It matters a lot with some of the base.
'Do you think his base cares?' yeah man it seems like they do? there are currently a lot of MAGA people freaking out about this shit, a whole lot of his supporters are very vocally upset about this
JD Vance and Ruppert Murdoch's PLAN-B. 25th Amendment. At this point even JD can't be any worst.
Okay, this point I get the most, but the base ACTUALLY cares about the Epstein thing. Major spokesmen for his base left him over the Epstein thing. This isn't just disillusioning Republicans, it's disillusioning MAGA and it's a pain point that should be pushed until it hurts in the midterms.
"Soooo….what then?" You still pursue them because hunting down and exposing literal pedophiles and sex traffickers who went to a billionaire's fuck island is a thing we can and should absolutely do as a society?
If you want to prove a foreign intelligence agency was comprising a US politician because of (((Epstein’s))) files, look to Israel.
Russiagate was debunked long ago.
It would at least become less effective blackmail for them. The trouble lies in they know and most americans do not.
Its only kompromat if it can bring him down. What sort of scandal do you imagine could do that?
The unspoken thing she's saying here is "so shut up". This is a thought terminating cliche. No, I don't think I will.
You’re welcome to give up and move to Europe if you think it’s hopeless. Have fun!
Maybe the so-called Moderates will finally give permission to the Democraps to stop being such incredible pussies in the face of fascism?
Then a senator will stab him to death with his gladius.
reject modernity embrace tradition
Reject the King of Pigs Embrace the Republic
I think downticket GOP congressmen care a GREAT deal to NOT be seen as aiding and abetting a pedophilia scandal. I think QAnon voters would pick up their pitchforks. I think that if the GOP loses the midterms because of this, that's a win for the Republic. I think they're scared.
Buddy its Israel that has the Epstein files and quite obviously trump fears Mossad far more than anything Russia has on him
I hate the framing. "He allows himself." Fuck him. It's time to fight in every way we have at our disposal. Or, frankly, just acknowledge you're fine with living in a fascist country.
the asshole, and more importantly, prove that the asshole was money laundering for years. But again, so what? There’s no way to get rid of him. Unless you know something I don’t know about the workings of the GOP, I see zero evidence that they will actually turn on him. NONE.
Agreed. All the folks thinking, “WE FINALLY GOT HIM!” remind me of Lucy setting up the football for Charlie Brown.
Well said.
Y'all read The Peanuts and your takeaway was that Lucy is a God-Emperor?!?
Should still be released
Agree 100 percent.
That's not the message. The message is that he is a convicted sexual abuser and possible pedophile.
he’s already lost the QAnon Shaman guy
This is simply an argument for doing and saying nothing about Trump’s various scandals. I mean, why even bother to post it?
I try not to get into politics over here, but I will say this - the reason the Epstein files are worth pursuing is not because they undercut him with the GOP, it's because they undercut him with the MAGAts. And if he loses THEIR support, the GOP will follow for fear of losing re-election.
You’ll need to adjust your framework. It’s the logical outcome, but no one’s coming to serve us a solution on a silver platter. To actively discuss, break down language, strategize, and I guess the lost obvious one, tune in with your local grassroots efforts, you’ll find somewhere to forge paths.
Lot's of "what ifs". FOR me, I do not think he's going to make it until the end of the year. his brain is already mush and I doubt its very long before his body catches up. The mentally ill, evil man has committed TREASON. What then?? Firing Squad!
If there are pictures of him with topless 14 year old girls laughing at stains on the front of his pants...or worse, the humiliation will make it difficult to govern. You could very well be right, but I'm hoping the humiliation factor will be enough to drive him from office with broken health.
Not sure he's capable of feeling humiliated. The emperor has no clothes? Here's wall to wall coverage of how he does in fact have clothes and they are very nice. Much nicer than any Democrat would wear. Made here in America.
Yes, I share your concern. Trump's super power is, after all, shamelessness. But I suspect everyone laughing at him will sap his political will. He's old and tired. His reception in Scotland will just be amplified if humiliating scenes from the Epstein files are made public. Fingers crossed!
Not seeing your point. It does damage. So we do damage. Even under your theory of the case you hammer into his spine till he breaks in half.
typical Dem bUt wHaT's tHe pOinT oF dOinG ANYTHING? P.S. Please send money.
All she did was point out the reality of the situation Show us where she is wrong
She's outlining one possible way it could all go. But you'd accept she's not clairvoyant, right? Our party needs to listen less to those who "know how it will go" and more to those who have a plan for how to ensure success. Naysayers need not apply.
That’s the point. This is a very likely scenario of how things would unfold. So you create a game plan for the situation How is ignoring reality & not being prepared going to help
Sorry, but that's not what the original post says. It starts with "The Epstein thing is a thing... sort of". The argument is that this opinion is one where defeat has already happened, with NO suggestions on how to approach it with a better likelihood of success. So it's defeatist, and unhelpful.
"But again, so what? There’s no way to get rid of him." This is not planning a better strategy. Hell, it doesn't even imply a better strategy exists. Just pure defeatism
I'm with you the story needs to be pushed with the best chance for success. But you're defending someone in your foxhole saying "we're all gonna die". That attitude is not helpful, and is in fact actively harmful.
A lot of Ds right beside the R's in the 100's of hard drives and binders full of cds that were taken from Epstein's NY apartment. The Epstein Affair is a massive bipartisan scandal so let's not push into it because we won't get rid of the orange pig. How about some justice for the victims?
Stupid take. There are names of rich and connected people other than Trump in those files. Expose them all as the pedophiles they are. And you don’t know how people will react if he’a on there. Why should anyone vote for you? You seem incapable of doing anything.
I think there is honor and principle in the fight, regardless of whether victory is achieved or not. It is discouraging and damaging to the national psyche to simply allow rampant criminality and corruption to go completely unchallenged. If we do not stand against this, how should we be judged?
ooh a cuss!
You’re, sadly, correct.
Isn't the truth sufficient cause alone?
One step at a time
Vance may make a move. He may already have made a move. Trump is very dispensable now so I wouldn't be surprised if this prop him up, knife him given the opportunity.
Trump resigns. Vance pardons. A new battle is joined.
Again blue checkmarks have the worst takes. This is why nobody would vote for you
so are you advocating for disturbance or meaningful protest or what
bc without an action item this looks a lot like doomerism i agree that this will not stop trump but you gotta tell people something that will when you say that or they will get demoralized and do nothing at all
We know that peaceful protests work on the people rather than the dictator. Our audiences are 1) the non-voters and 2) disenchanted Republicans who bought the lies sold by Fox News to older Americans as well as 3) disgusted MAGA voters. We know that at times we'll need people who can gum up the 👇
good god, i wasnt talking to you 💀
Works and slow progress where they can. We will also see people choose civil disobedience at some point. I personally hope that we can get 13,000,000 people across the US to protest peacefully on a regular basis and to see a successful nationwide strike of non-essential workers affect the economy 👇
ok let me know how that goes, ive been trying since 2021
Prior to civil disobedience gets too prevalent because our audiences may be lost to schadenfreude and/or law and order. I promise Dear Leader will impose martial law if our civil disobedience is too widespread or too successful.
as opposed to what is happening right now lmao?
By your argument, then there was never any way to remove him, so we just surrender. Jeez.
You sound like a person with only a hammer. So the only thing you think about is a nail.
Better to have a hammer than no tools at all.
Uh, as long as we have brains we have tools. We are thinking about the problem the wrong way. And because of that, we are thinking about the solution the wrong way.
Keep digging Pam, it's going great
Force them to admit to defending a pedophile. It's perfect messaging! Also, impeachment and removal doesn't fall under double jeopardy.
By your same metaphor, you sound like someone with no hammer and you're trying to dissuade others from using theirs because "what's the point? the nail is still gonna be there". Weak.
Yeah. I keep gaming this out and the most I can squeeze from it is that his inclusion is deeply deeply embarrassing for him and a huge political problem. Neither of which are presidency-ending. Just a ton of work his lazy ass would have to do to get back to the 24-7 praise fest he’s used to.
I think it was always Vance's (& Peter Theil's) intention to take Trump down, after certain bills were passed in the House & when it was politically expedient. I think we'll see Vance align with Johnson & remove Trump. But I don't think that means things miraculously get better or MAGA is finished.
Well, he's not that powerfull imo, the techbros in the background are planning their turn on the throne. See Thiel+all those dystopian types. Murdoch can finish trump at any time, so maybe one day dotard has 2 options: resign and let Vance reign, or publishing all his dirt and get bootet.
"Get booted" by whom? Institutions that once offered checks and balances were undermined by Trump's toadies. The legislative branch which could boot him with a majority (supposedly, IF he and his fellow cultists comply) is bending over backwards for him and don't get me started on the opposition.
Booted by MAGA, ironically. If they see photos of him with a 14yrs old "enigma" (prolly stands for virgin), all hell breaks loose. And how likely is it, that those pictures exist? Murdoch can bring him down in 2 weeks.
That depends on whether the last remains of the MAGA base truly have one last core of actual moral convictions. Odds are that their only core belief is "Trump good, all else bad". So far, his true believers have flipped on a dime as soon as Dear Leader said so every single time.
There is literally nothing they haven't been able to rationalise away by blaming "the enemy"
That Vance does not have a good support base is a glimmer of hope. He will essentially be the willing puppet of big money interests.
This is so embarrassing for you. Please delete this.
cause it's the right thing to do?
You are a deeply unserious person
Textbook letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, here
The way to get rid of him is impeachment. Demand it.
They won't either be cause they are also implicated in the files, or they know that the money spigot (likely Russian) will vanish if they are ousted themselves. Law enforcement has proven to be in their pocket (captured), and they are operating outside the law for protection. There are methods...
Costs him the support of most of the people that Qanon brought in. If not for Qanon I'd be inclined to agree, this would be just yet another scandal that slides off his back. Once he gets below a critical mass of support, Congress stops rubber stamping him.
Well, there's a way to get rid of the MAGA Congress by taking 5% of their low propensity voters to stay home or vote for Democrats who promise #EpsteinHearings . Do you not get that? Epstein is a super-high-engagement issue. What do you have in mind to reach low propensity voters?
We know that MAGA is big on kids and family. We keep showing them families who've been separated by whoever's behind the masks. This is a powerful image to US citizens who had to see family separations during his first gig at WH. They didn't like them then which had a direct effect on policy.
We don’t just throw up our hands & say nothing! There are victims here!! And serious criminals! I’m disturbed by our entire party doing NOTHING!! The ones who have a voice and are saying something, like Jasmine & AOC are shunned by the leaders! WTF?!! Stop playing nice!
I feel your frustration and anger. The Democrats as elected office holders must use (and are using) the tools of the office to which we elected them. They can attend and hold rallies. They are speaking truth to power. They are trying to unmask la migra. They have limits of capability for now.👇
Citizens role at the moment is to call foul and seek peaceful redress of our grievances, determine when, how, where and whether to engage in civil disobedience and risk arrest or worse. Suffragettes were beaten. Blacks were beaten and killed. Gays and lesbians were beaten raped and sodomized. 👀📣
Citizens are being terrorized in the streets. Beaten, tear gassed, falsely arrested & detained. These ICE goons have already said under a recording by a citizen was that they will have to start shooting us soon. There will be a civil war if this continues.
Civil war is a possibility. It is not the most likely possibility, IMO. As John Lewis said, and I am paraphrasing, if you see someone's rights being violated, speak up, take action. I see people doing that where there are masked people kidnapping folk. I believe their actions/words are resistance.
It’s been so successful so far. Yes, that was sarcasm. Because it’s not stopping any of it. Some ICE agents have quit, but far too many enjoy what they are doing. We have to wait until US citizens are detained en masse. Then, it will be too late.
Don’t try, don’t get. Say it every day until the leaders listen: Impeach, Convict, Remove.
He turned his insane base that stormed our capitol against him. Throughout history its pretty evident what the last step will be. When the masses unite and turn against you its over.
It’s more like a “now” issue, not “what then”. Political power is unitary. Driving the House to an early recess and having Trump on the defensive *from his own base* broadcasts weakness. The GOP has passed horrible legislation. As they feel pressure build, weak/unpopular Trump leverages that./1
There is no quick fix to a fascist regime. So you want to slow it down. There are inherent fissures in the Trump axis of assholes. Pounding issues that stress those fissures slows them down. In this case, there is also just being morally right. Out rich pedophiles and scream for justice./end
They certainly won't if we dont make them defend him. Make them vote to keep him and the ads write themselves.
Seriously, Pam, *look* at how his base is reacting. JUST LOOK. We thought nothing would make them abandon him, and here they are turning on him in droves. DROVES. This is the time to strike!
Took you 3 posts for you to say "I don't think the ideal outcome will result from this, so let's just give up." This kinda shit is why y'all keep losing it for us. You can't win at all if you don't fight ever.
Also, fun fact, this being brought to light actually incentivizes them to do something because if he gets off scott free, the very people he depended on to vote him back in suddenly become a source of "vigilante justice" against him, and since they're the biggest source of gun violence...
This is the truest skeet that's ever been sent. JFC, Pam.
It’s because people she knows are in it and she wants to protect them.
Midterms.
I think your focus on Trump's removal from office is good, but it's not the only desired outcome. One possible outcome of an Epstein file release that implicates him is a reaction from Congress that makes it impossible for him to legally enact his agenda. That would also be good, but would probably
result in him just hastening a full authoritarian dictatorsship and getting what he wants anyway. So yeah, the Epstein thing is a thing but ultimately isn't a thing
So, then what? Pardon my dismay, but what are you doing right now? Are you involved in your community? Are you contacting your elected officials about matters that are important to you? Are you participating in protests and/or financially supporting organizations fighting this a**hole, rapist 1/2
And pedophile? "Then what" is not the answer. I don't care if he gets impeached. I want Congress Republicans to lose their elections, I want my state Republicans to disappear from the state Senate, I want women's rights restored. That takes hard work, persistence, patience, and advocacy.
I'm still optimistic that it will create results faster than this, but if the files do get released somehow, I think the worst case scenario is that it fuels the blue wave coming in 2026. And once Congress is no longer a GOP stronghold again, then the hammer comes down.
It obviously ought to happen sooner. It ought to have happened before his FIRST term ended. The Epstein files should have been an afterthought to his comeuppance. Frankly, he should have been dead by now. But I still have hope that the midterm elections will do it if nothing does it sooner.
Can't you see how petrified the GOP is about the content of those files? The lengths they're going to, shutting down the House to avoid being forced to vote against the publication of those files, or, worse, to avoid losing a vote? "Why would I go after my opponent where it hurts, I wonder?"
Well that sure is a negative take on things. How do you know they won’t turn on him? Will they be standing there clutching the Epstein files and defending child sex predators in front of their constituents? I don’t think so. Trump is in much worse place than he’s ever been.
People love to be edgy.
Even if the base turns on him, how do we get rid of him?
Trump is a narcissist. He will never admit wrongdoing even if he was caught in the act. Congress, however, is weak. They are scared of everything. They won't want a mob of citizens at their door. They will be forced to remove him or face the people. Protecting pedophiles isn't popular with most.
So are you basically throwing in the towel and advising us to do the same?
This one won't show money laundering. But that's been known for decades and no one on that side cared
Every straw on the camel is one straw closer. That has proven true on some pretty big camels. And this is a pretty big straw. It’s not worth worrying which one is the one. We just keep piling.
If nothing will change whether or not we tell the truth, then why not tell the truth?
50,000 torches and 50,000 pitchforks might alter the math.
Could not POSSIBLY agree more. Thank you for seeing & saying it. I am physically sick w/how people act like the midterms will be the turning point. He’ll launch a nuclear weapon (he needs NO other authorization but his own - by law) before he’ll leave office. How we are this stupid just enrages me.
Here's a plan: Go to work, hard at work, digging serious dirt about Republican Representatives and Senators in districts that may go Blue in a special election. The dirt is there, for sure. Turn the heat on as many of them as possible and force them to resign. Back good people to replace them.
Taking three posts to say "give up in advance" like you've played the whole chess game in your head is... a choice, I guess.
Maybe he gets arrested post-presidency, maybe his heart gives out before then, idgaf-- he deserves to be outed for what he is. At any rate, there's plenty of other guys on that list to arrest, & that's a good start even if the Dorito Mussolini doesn't get locked up with them.
The most horrific, yet plausible thought (given whatsoever seen) is that Trump could be shown to be every bit the pedo we know he is and MAGA would hold mass child rape rallies in his honor. Ripping the panties off a frightened little girl would become a "holy" act of loyalty.
Yep, and the 20% who are MAGA do this. And the other 80% of us turn on them. The time for anything less drastic was 2016, or 2021.
Yeah we know you don't care about child rape because you worthless right wing liberals don't care about or believe in anything at all. You'd sell your own daughter for a nickel
There are only 2 pathways to get rid of him. 1. Vote him out 2. Congress has the supreme authority to impeach, convict and remove him. • Upon conviction he is no longer president. • If convicted and he refuses to leave then the U.S. Marshals Service, would enforce an arrest and removal.
Hard agree, but it will put enormous pressure on Republican congressmen. It already has: they're not voting on it because of this. MAGA wants red meat, the GOP wants to give it to them unless it's Trump-shaped. Hence the "tampered files" gambit.
Expand your scope. Think of international repercussions. Those with money and power will have him silenced.
🌮 is head of the Gross Old Pedo party. The entire party, from village assesor on up, they all gotta go. bsky.app/profile/take...
making sure that his crimes are a matter of public record has value in itself. making sure that nobody could possibly forget that the sitting president has raped children will eventually do one of two things: his cultists turn on him, or his cultists decide that child rape is okay after all.
i cannot imagine a world where a known-for-a-fact child rapist lasts long in politics in any remotely free country. "why are you protecting a man who raped children" is a good question to ask often. make life hard for the republicans. tarnish their brand. establish them as the kid-toucher party.
Full scorched Earth on their platform.
A hard flip of Congress is the likeliest chance, Republicans after '26 have to fear voters more than Trump. Otherwise he's probably safe, save for resigning a day early to secure a Vance pardon. Also some real problem readers on this thread? She's not saying let it go, she's saying be realistic 🤦
NO, she’s saying what’s the point of doing anything unless a certain outcome is guaranteed. That’s loser talk.
Is that what I’m saying? Hmmm…I don’t think so. Fever dreams are pointless. Focus on the actual work that needs doing. Like thwarting ICE and actually fighting back against voter suppression.
OK, what’s your plan? What do you want Dems to do? What’s the “actual work”? Ignore Epstein because that’s a distraction, and do…what, exactly? Let’s hear it.
So you support releasing the files right?
Her only response to that has been “so what?”
She can speak for herself but for me I think there's a few steps between what she's typing and what you're reading. She might not be the droid you're looking for is all.
What I’m looking for is Democrats who want to fight, rather than one who says “what’s the point of looking into the Epstein files?” if it doesn’t immediately get rid of Trump.
Sure, I get it. I just don't think that's what was being said. But I don't work for her and she already chimed in so y'all have a good night 👍
The thing about authoritarian systems is they seem unassailable until right at the moment they topple. This is because they control the information environment. Sort of like that highrise in Florida that collapsed. Saltwater slowly eroded the supports until they broke.
You can roll over and show him your belly but I won’t.
What's even the point of this?
I think the Epstein files are a nothing burger and that’s a problem for Trump. The problem is, that if there is no day of reckoning the conspiracy grows and grows in ways that make it hard to for him to control the narrative and get things done.
You know the difference between conspiracy and reality?
Is this a joke? No, what?
Your evidence for conspiracy/ nothing?
Hey idiot! Shut the fuck up!
trump could be caught on video raping reagan's corpse, he could execute a bunch of white MAGA children, he could literally take a shit on an american flag and the constitution, and a substantial part of his base would find a way to excuse it. what good would kompromat do?
I’m not sure “nothing can stop this all-powerful pedophile” is the most inspiring message the Dems could adopt right now
people fell for Q Anon bc it told a story about being powerless in the face of rising inequality and the abject lack of accountability for the rich and powerful an opposition party would say, “we will hold the rich and accountable and we will tax the hell out of them”
"We should just let criminals engage in criminality in secret if we don't have an explicit mechanism to punish them."
The thing is, he might not have been criminally involved with Epstein in the slightest. The point of all this is not and has never been to fuck Trump. The point is AN ELITE PEDOPHILE RING OF RICH MEN RAPED CHILDREN. I cannot stress how important it is that these pedophiles are brought to light.
Realistically, whoever is left of the old constitutional order will be forced to declare war against the Epstein cartel and force the GOP to turn traitor against the United States. That's the last practical off-ramp since their corporate donors got them to abdicate on section 3 of the 14th amendment
Spare a thought for the brave, straw, men who died for this skeet!
So what's the point of doing anything then, Pam? I guess we should all just roll over and take it 🤡
Maybe try to put up a fucking fight instead of cowering to the Republicans. With this attitude, Dems will keep losing.
My God this is an infuriatingly dense take.
No "peaceful" way. But it isn't just about removing him. He's just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot of his supporters who are far more vulnerable. Do it anyway, ffs. Don't defend fascist pedophiles through passivity.
This is all extremely unimaginative and obnoxious of you to post.
“What do we have to gain by getting both houses of Congress which have a Republican majority shut down for at least a month & is one of the 1st things that has so far stuck on Trump including his supporters”
ah. so the dems should not do anything?
you seem to know something I don't, so what's your plan of action? Live peacefully with the money you already have and say everyone else is being unreasonable?
They will when the base turns on them. There are more constituents than conmen… I mean, congressmen/people. When their base turns, they’ll have hard choices to make and spines to find - or they’ll lose their cushy jobs.
Exposing the GOP as a pedocon organization and continually forcing them to confront this fact is the way. It doesn't matter even a little of MAGA cares. MAGA can't win an election without normies who understand pedophilia is wrong.
Exactly because,the Republican Party has and always has been and always will be EVIL,GREEDY,and lacking any INTEGRITY,CHARACTER,HUMANITY
You're right, let's continue to do absolutely fucking nothing for the next 3.5 years while he fucks the country like he did those kids.
I hear there's an election next year. But who am I to talk?
Let John Thune and all his co-conspirators in the Senate GOP go on the record saying that they support a pedo leading their party and occupying the White House. Let them live with that.
I think fascists seem invincible, right up until they collapse. The key is continue to do the work and to act as if breaking the law (and norms) matters, because that is how you make it matter.
“Oh no, the GOP is openly protecting paedophiles from consequences for their heinous actions! How could any political opponent possibly win against an entire party built solely on the principle that Donald Trump gets to stick his penis wherever he likes?” Kings have died for lesser transgressions.
I wish I could think of another way for you to do nothing.
What point are you trying to make here
Lemme tell you, it's exactly this sirt of thinking that is really firing me up to write hecks to the establihment Dems for 2028
Wish i had an edit button: "sort of thinking", "write checks to the establishment Dems"
And if Dems can't alienate their base further by reacting always and only to the GOP, why do anything?
Exactly. I will except no less than three impeachments this term.
Just shut the fuck up. “Let’s all just move on from Epstein” is basically what you’re saying. And if you took the time to read the fucking room Sharon, you’ll see that your take is stupid as fuck. Just obey in advance while you’re at it.
You are a good example of why democrats are fucking useless for the most part. The law is out the fucking window, stop trying to read the rulebook.
Jimini, educate yourself, dude. Go to indivisible.org and read the facts about peaceful protests.
MLK? Murdered Kennedy? Murdered. David Duke? 75.
The Kennedys both became a huge part of cementing MLK's dream in our hearts and minds.
I'm not understanding your David Duke 75 meaning.
ALIVE. 75 years old. 75 years of spreading hate.
Yep. And I disagree with his politics and witness his mental illness. I do not carry hate around with me or focus too much on people who are bigots. If I cross one abusing a fellow human, I insert myself and opinion in an effort to reduce the harm of hate's victim. Then, I let go and move on.
I love this scene and think that God got a good point. Peace will always be propagated. No government wants people that get rowdy when you treat them bad I´m German. German TV removed Elser from protest coverage. Rather stick to the white rose, pamphlets not bombs www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j2Z...
Some people are so passionate for freedom: they hold their own death as less important than the point they are making. Consider how much MLK did with his life. Recognize the good that has come from us seeing him killed because of his dream of equality for all. Many of us carry his dream in hearts
Much more good would have come from seeing MLK, or Malcolm X, or Kennedy, beat David Duke into a pulp with a baseball bat. I find it ridiculous to try and turn the end of their lives into something positive. They are dead because the Racists wanted them dead. They won.
They are dead because racists killed them. As I host each protest or visibility event, I am aware that a MAGA will burn past with a loud muffler or in a truck with a middle finger up. We haven't seen ICE here yet. I disagree. Violence begets violence begets violence begets violence, a vicious circle
I find that view Childish. If you ain´t ready to fight back, violence wins, simply as that. Past? They made running you over with that truck semi-legal. Put up a ramp, lets see that truck do a backflip.
I disagree with your description of my views. Children fight because they don't have experience or words to seek redress of their grievances any other way. I fight back with intelligence and the tools that came in my Citizenship from the Constitution. I wish you well. Good bye.
Ok so what’s the harm of a release then?
Removal is impossible anyway. But exposing him as a pedophile predator to his cult is very possible. Also aging him, diminishing his health, sucking his time and energy, etc.
I think we should be saying "child rapist" or "child abuser" here rather than pedophile. Focusing on the harm done rather than the "wrongthink" of supposedly finding children attractive. It's likely he just enjoys the power of having sex with someone that society says he shouldn't.
I find this to be a very valid point
This is the thing right here. Make him spend time defending against things. Make him feel pressure. Amp up his stress as much as possible. Hit him in the "I shouldn't have to deal with this bullshit" anger reflex. Wave red capes at the bull. Make it run around until you exhaust it.
Interesting democracy you've got there where the guy at the top can simply refuse to be removed
It is kind of accurate, at least. Democracy doesn't function when you have enough fascists and fascist-adjacents to gum up the works and keep people from... like... prosecuting you for blatant violations of US law.
How does this have anything to do with Russia? As far as we know, the Epstein files are Mossad kompromat.
So, Trump doesn't care, it can't hurt him, and he wouldn't even lose supporters - but at the same time, it's incredibly powerful kompromat, and Trump would do anything for Russia to prevent it from getting out?
ha! russia?! goofball. epstein has/had 'kompromat' on trump, the majority of DC and wall st. youre still harping on imaginary pee tapes. wild.
You pursue pedophiles because they're pedophiles. Pursuing them to the fullest extent is the right thing to do
I think we should find and convict the people who enable the systematic rape of children whether or not it has an impact on election results.
Agreed. There’s no way these pedophiles just stopped raping kids when Epstein went to prison. They are still out there committing these crimes and they need to be stopped.
Doing the right thing is good optics and is also the right thing.
Republicans will most certainly not remove him from office no matter what comes to light. If they would, he'd have been removed long ago. They enjoy robbing the nation while he causes fuck up after fuck up taking most of the blame when they're all evil little shits robbing America.
We've seen time and time again that they will protect predators no matter what. Republicans couldn't care less about people raping or even raping children. It doesn't concern them as they pass their shitty policies that hurt Americans through Congress and the Senate.
saying the word "kompromat" endlessly hasn't worked once so maybe that should be the strategy you advocate giving up on
Wild that your reason to not out pedos is "but it won't hurt trump". Cause it just reads "im running cover for pedos who aren't trump."
That’s where the US Military follows the constitution and escorts him out of the White House.
I open up the app for 10 minutes and I get this shit. The "Why do anything?" argument?
He clearly doesn't want it out in public which means I want it out in public. Consider the information he knows the public already has on his life and the fact he's still shamed by something. That shit needs sunlight.
I think if he is removed by impeachment or 25th, he can be dragged out. Same with an election loss. But he's not resigning.
I understand January 6 hangs over a lot...but are they really doing that for a pedophile?
That’s because you’re stupid
Pam Keith: "Eh, nonces' gonna nonce, why get so upset?"
It might be worth trying to think through ways to remove him over his own desire to remain in office.
Why do you like pedophiles?
Cynical but true. The only way that Trump leaves office is by death or by end of term. The GOP and his MAGA minions are in it deep and for the duration.
This has nothing to do with politics. Sexual predators and those preying on children need to be held accountable. The public needs to see that these horrible crimes don’t go unnoticed just because you’re rich or well-positioned? Impeachment? I just want justice for the victims.
I get to remind my MAGA brothers and sisters that they voted for a pedophile, a felon, a rapist, a crook, and an all-around bad guy. It would be so satisfying. Not much of a difference, but I would still be smiling.
Great question.
Republicans in Congress aren't acting out of loyalty to Trump, they're acting out of fear of MAGA. If MAGA turns,impeachment will come. 'How braindead, committed and loyal is MAGA,' is the question.
While a worthy goal, focusing on impeachment is too short-sighted. The Epstein mess is a massive weakness in the MAGA armor. Dems should be doing everything to connect the Republican party and the right wing to this. Make this an anchor to bring the whole project down
I think that impeachment is important to end the harm. I also think that Republicans will be tied to Epstein, considering how much they've tried to bury the info. You make a good point though and every effort should be made to tar the whole party. Every one a hypocrite.
There was no Nazi Party in Germany after WWII. There should not be a Republican Party in the US after this is over.
As they proved in the 2016 Republican primaries (with 16+ candidates), they seem unable to coalesce in defense against a horrible scuzzbag like Trump, or coalesce in defense against the MAGA horde Trump AND THEY encouraged to attack Democrats/progressives/liberals.
Not impeachment level of support, but damming and embarrassing. That is the best torture for Trump. Imagine the legacy of child molester (a line MAGAts seen unwilling to cross) in addition to everything else! His base WILL shrink. They will need much more voter manipulation!
25th Amend as one sick man.
Idk maybe a popular uprising forcing these fascist fucks to overplay their hand? Read like, any history book I'm fucking begging you
This is incredibly weird.
Who’s TACO?
You ok, Pam? If we gotta get to torches and pitchforks, it won't just be spontaneous. It will take a steady stream of injustices. We will need to stay angry. But we won't need this vibe you're putting out. Sit on your hands next time, please.
Image is what will get him and loss of support. He might not be able to be convicted while in the white house but States free rights to convicted day out. Also, all those others in the files can be and will be convicted, and those are his friends and family. So it's very important imo.
A perfect example of the soulless, evil, feckless pieces of shit who care more about polling and political moves than truth or decency. "Why tell the truth about child rape if it's not useful?"
Some of his enemies will go to jail and he’ll carry on dismantling American democracy.
It's not clear to me what the big deal is with impeachment. It's happened - what - twice? What's been the effect? Doesn't seem to have slowed him down in the least.
Many in his cult will overlook or not believe the evidence if it comes it. Video of him with young girls will be called fake. The religious leaders who support him will call for forgiveness and/or say he’s done more good than bad (many of them have been convicted of sex crimes, are serial cheaters).
The Heritage Foundation has an out and it's called the 25th Amendment #Project2025
He hates failing. That is the best outcome. His name will forever be tied to pedophilia.
MAGAs identify closely with Trump and his endless grievances and anger. If this Epstein thing plays out, then Democrats need to reverse message their criticism, holding a mirror up to MAGAs and asking if that’s them too and if not why are they still defending the once great and powerful wizard.
Put them both in jail. bsky.app/profile/umai...
A PA State Senator posed a pornography question to a 6th grade girl during a civics competition. In a Civics Bee competition for students in grades 6th - 8th. State Sen. David Argall (R) asked a 6th grade girl if it was “appropriate to give porn to kindergarteners.” www.abc27.com/pennsylvania...
I know it sounds crazy but hear me out: maybe it's important for the public to know if the president of the United States is a child abuser even if it doesn't directly have a political outcome that helps the Democrats.
so what, do nothing like normal then?? I'm p sick of hearing this hopeless garbage every day, y'all are only doing the gop a favor like this.
Why bother doing anything ever? For fuck's sake no wonder you lost
Arrest his ass.
Nothing. That is what is going to happen because the Repuglicans will explain it away, none of the abusers will get charged and the whole thing will fade away because there is no justice for people who are harmed by the very rich. Sorry to be so cynical but another example is companies not being +
charged for hiring the undocumented workers. It’s just the workers being harmed - again!
more like JAG-off amirite?
If 10% percent of his base stops voting for him, that's worth it. Don't understand why you can't comprehend fighting on multiple fronts. If you don't wanna do it, don't Otherwise shut up
You don't know that and neither do I. That's why we play it out, Pam. Because neither you nor I know where the chips fall on this. You don't know what his cabinet will do. You don't know what McConnell will do. You don't know what Vance and Thiel and Musk and the others will do. You. Don't. Know.
I was thinking about this exact scenario and concluded that convicted felon, Donald Trump, would not be held accountable for this either, politically or legally.
The "Epstein thing" is that children were sexually assaulted repeatedly. Reducing that fact to "thing" diminishes them. Children were raped that fact needs to be remembered. I'm a CSA survivor, I sat in a witness chair at 9yrs old. Even though the jury was hung, it wasn't a pointless "thing."
> So then what? He loses the support of millions of voters He opens himself up to further Congressional investigation Further negative consequences that would hinder the Trump administration's evil policies ??
Pam here is acting like the impeachment hearings and the general onslaught of criticism against Trump's first regime played zero part in Trump losing the trifecta in 2018 and eventually the presidency. Not to mention the simple moral clarity of getting justice for the victims.
MAGA rallies behind him, he gerrymanders everywhere he can, wins the mid terms, and then finds a way to run for a third term unless we get with it and stop him.
guy who doesn't know how politics works: if he isn't impeached whats the point of anything???
He will do exactly what he's doing now. He will claim that Biden put his name in there. This is all just a big nothing muffin except to the true believers because there is no conspiracy they can be dispelled about.
Time for the pretorian guard to step in and sort things out.
At least it's serving one purpose if nothing else, it's freaking trump out, and accelerating his dementia and heart problems
it will bury his control over the next election, 47 & his enablers WILL be facing Justice.
He will never be held accountable for any of his crimes. The best we can hope for is we somehow have a legitimate election next year, control Congress & possibly impeach & remove him then. If not, he may never leave until his days are up. So sad that half of American voters picked a convicted felon.
Dont be silly those little girls are to blame they should be persecuted for corrupting little trumpy
How about we pursue the truth because it reveals him to be a serial sexual predator and that is simply the right and ethical thing to do, no matter how many cynical apathetic roadblocks you feel like tossing out
This idiotic post is still up?
Trump is morbidly obese, aged 79 & will never stand trial. He's not immune from prosecution for rape, trafficking & financial corruption nor from investigation. Then there's the money laundering by trump & his pals. The Democrat Party would do well to thin its leadership out quietly & quickly.
It's too bad SCOTUS exists and is pro KKK.
You know he won’t be impeached if I go to work every day either so why am I doing that?
Then the victims have a shred of relief when people see their rapists for who they are and can seek damages. It’s not just Donald. Your alternative is giving up and letting future children be raped? Deny all the rapists their social legitimacy. It was the same with child raping priests.
Important factors at work here- 1 MAGA - when he leaves, what happens to his magnetic hold over them? Will they support his replacement? IMO no 2 CABAL47 owns him yet his work for them is done : Proj25, tax cuts for wealthy, SCOTUS, begin culling useless eaters. Who really has the control?
We all know what Trump is. We want to know all the other pedos they are protecting.
He's already laid the groundwork for blaming the Dem's and calling it fake to explain his participation but there must be something else... like money laundering, financial scams, ponzy schemes, who knows but Epstein was def making it the old-fashioned way!
That's what makes me so angry.
Even if only a quarter of his base will break up with Donny, we can cause a blue wave and impeach him, two years of Donny is better than four.
It’s alarming! When this goal post is also moved concerning this level of depravity? When the citizens collectively accept he wasn’t just a client, but was monetarily involved and using his teen pageants to help sell girls into slavery? His wife was one of many introduced to him by Maxwell.. 🚨🚨🚨
It will seem impossible until it isn't. Giving up in advance is the only way you guarantee the nightmare doesn't end.
yeah, true, knowing if he's a pedophile is nowhere near as impactful as calling him TACO.
Exactly.
I can’t believe her Senate campaign failed
🙂 right?!? all we want is politicians who do … something. its not rocket science
It’s why Mamdani freaks out establishment Ds as well as GOP ghouls.
If our mid-term election counts…impeachment is a real possibility
We need sixty six votes in the senate so, unfortunately, unlikely
You might be underestimating #Epstein’s reach from the grave is Here’s hoping!
Always hope
Hopefully after midterms, if they aren’t rigged, we will have the numbers for that vote - that’s why they’re trying to cheat now.
2 broken MAGA heads tried to off him *before* this, so I’d say it’s a concern.
Impeachment doesn’t seem to mean anything anyhow.
Cannot stress how important controlling the narrative in real time is. It clearly bothers Trump. It clearly bothers his base and higher profile sympathizers. And honestly, there's no downside to accusing him of being a pedophile.
He will still be held to the same white supremacists (low)standard, but Q-Anon and all the right-wing conspiracists will have to look inward for the source of the ills to society.
Exactly😠
I am enjoying the squirming on the right and want to keep on making them squirm. BTW the pussygrabber's friendship with a perv might not shake MAGGOTs but it is causing doubt with idies who voted for him,
Trump is on the list. There are also others His Cult won’t care but the country needs to see who the pedophile rapists are. The problem is they can’t release the list because he is there. Maxwell will give up names of Dems, Republicans & wealthy men. She will say Trump isn’t on it. Thus her pardon.
This is reddit.com/linkedinlina... material. It's a thing. Hard stop. Billionaires trafficking children is the story of capitalism and the 21st century correcting itself for the future of the human race and if it isn't, it's over.
Why "Hell no"? 💯 he will be impeached WHEN Dems take House. Then the Senate Republicans will have to go on record saying they support a man who forcibly had sex with 13 yo old girls. So what are you talking about?
Rape. Child rape.
It will likely be the opposite A certain incarcerated felon will receive a pardon then be plastered over right wing media saying the felon in the White House was a spiritual advisor She will then be introduced to a window The list will be released to the public, and only one name on it:
It’s doubtful that Trump will ever see justice. I think the best outcome we can hope for, provided our democracy survives, is that we reinvent America as a country that values truth, real education, equality and integrity. And to quote Hemingway, “Isn’t it pretty to think so.”
HE's an Illegitimate POTUS!... This is a FACT!... We are NOT looking at Impeaching a duly elected POTUS!... The Answer is Simple: WE need a Civil REVOLUTION!... This is necessary to REMOVE not just Trump, but ALL his Nazi Minions as well!
The point is it splits the conspiracy nuts and the dude bro podcasters from the rest of MAGA, thereby reducing his political power over the GOP and hopefully amplifying a blue wave in 2026. When has it had anything to do with him removing him from office?
I can see many female evangelicals abandoning the Trump train because of this one, even if they don’t tell their husbands.
Agree. Keeping him flustered, retaking the House in '26 and getting positioned to retake the WH in '28 are all realistic goals, and the Epstein fiasco puts wind in our sails every day it drags on, even though no knockout blow will ever land
Exactly. There is no "knockout" scenario that we can see at this point...so it's a day by day fight to keep attention and messaging on what hurts Trump.
Hmm. Not with ya on this one. I don’t think most want them released to “get trump”. Yes, we would ALL ❤️&👏 that outcome. But the majority of decent people would like to see every sick fuck who harmed these women and girls held accountable. Full stop. If this is just about Trump we’ve already lost.
I caution you, Pam, to not put the cart before the horse. It’s a form of capitulation, of bending the knee, of allowing the bully to bully, of not fighting in real-time. Caution-with-fury, Pam
You have consultant brain. It's terminal.
If there's video of him fucking a child, it would be pretty hard for anyone to support him and still have a chance at midterms. That might send the GOP into a scramble to hold on to their individual powers. This might make a bunch of gop start flopping on issues. Like impeachment.
Since Vance is definitely not an upgrade, I’d settle for a Democratic sweep in both Houses for the midterms. The weaker Trump is, the weaker his Congressional enablers are.
Vance fucked couches. Donald raped children.
He might be an upgrade in the sense that MAGA may not be as enthusiastic with him, so perhaps the Rs on the Hill won’t be as apt to piss or shit themselves over him….
Yeah, but he’s well-funded and would get to run as an incumbent. 😬
see this is a good point. but then why doesn't he just release the files then if nothing will affect him?
We have to focus on protecting voting and elections- especially for upcoming midterms. The R’s are trying to cheat all over the place already.
They DO cheat all over the place and have done so for decades.
Well yeah. Now they just do it out in the open.
You ask a lot of questions in a time when need of answers is dire. True answers will come, I'm sure. The Good Old Pedophiles will see to it.
So there are 3 less huge problems he cause because 60% of his time was dedicated to explain how he never met his wife through Epstein, how there are Epstein photos with him and under-aged girls, how his sexual assault convictions don't connect to liking "as youg as 12" (his words)
Well luckily the media and the rest of us that care will never let him live this down.
GOP members of the House and Senate want to retain their seats in the mid-terms. When their angry constituents are demanding trump's impeachment the GOP will impeach to keep their votes in 2026.
No they won't. They want that orange dick for some reason.
Murdoch and Theil will get folks to 25th Trump out of office, is my guess. They might do that without the files being released. Then MAGA will crack because they hate Vance. And the GOP will try to build a new Nazi party with the tech bros in charge.
That's been the whole plan. J.D. takes office he puts lil Smurf as VP and they follow 2025 to the "T". How else would you explain his cabinet sabotaging him every turn. They just using him to get as much passed so they can blame him going forward. Its a win win for Theil
That is also my best guess. Thank you again, AG!
That process has already started. Whatever shape it will take, but I think it's already in the works. I don't think it's a coincidence that after Vance visited Murdock a few weeks ago, the Wall Street Journal started this reporting. 🤔
👆. THIS
🌮 is a regime, not one man. The entire Gross Old Pedo party must be removed. GOP Texas Rep. Capriglione drops re-election bid after reported affair and funded abortions A dancer alleges the anti-choice GOP shared disturbing fantasies about children. www.sacurrent.com/news/gop-tex...
Agree, 💯 I always say that the only reason that he has always been, and continues to get away with all the shit that he does in life, is because people around him are enabling him and allowing him to do so. And they do this because it's a sick symbiotic relationship of course.
All of the people allowing & defending him & others who are guilty should be held accountable, too. If you are willing to lie to persuade people he isn't guilty & you know he is then there needs to be some consequence
Hell yes!! 👏
Indicted child rapist (and 🌮 advisor) preaches in his mega MAGA church that rape survivors should forgive their rapists. 🤮🤢 This is the religion of the Gross Old Pedo party.
Shouldn't the abuser confess his sin and make amends? Somehow they never get to that second part.
#GrossOldPedo
#GrossOldPedo Party
Bingo (or as the other party says, Bongino)! I do believe though that if impeached & if it’s irrefutable, you’ll begin seeing a mass distancing of right-wing names & officials in his regime. Look at the podcasters already pulling back. Not even a little pullback, they’re actively putting pressure.
Why do M and T want him out of office?
He’s an albatross now. He did what they wanted - signed the Big Ugly and the Crypto bill - so he’s useless now. More of a liability than anything. And M has always hated him.
Thank you for the explanation! 🙏 love that for him 🤣
The billionaire oligarchs are as ruthlessly transactional with Trump as he is to them.
I absolutely ache for him to be out of office but that means Vance is in. If you think things are moving fast now, wait until Cheesus is out.
Agreed. I think they’re trying to wait for 2 years to pass so their useful little puppet can run twice to have up to 10 years in office, but idk if they’re actually gonna be able to hold out that long. And as you said, MAGA isn’t there for Vance like they are for Trump.
On the one hand I want you to be right. On the other I know we are going to be in rough shape for awhile
When people realize Thiel controls 80%+ of Epstein’s holdings I hope it drags him down too
They were heading toward a smooth medical cankles Trump departure...then Bondi/ Patel/Bongino fucked the Epstein issue up like Leaky Pete on a bender with Katie Miller and Mary Vought in RFKs swimming pool with no chlorine. IF he leaves early, it looks like he is leaving to join a living Jeffrey.
If they try that, Vance is toast. All they gotta do is look into "Mencius Moldbug" A.K.A....
God I hope so. I hope he’s utterly humiliated and declared mentally unfit.
I think the plan is to have Vance “save America” from the most unpopular Trump policies, while leaving in place the stuff that matters to his owners: the massive compromises of the federal computer networks.
That guy is a creepy vile reaper!
We can only hope!
They won't openly hate him if he is presented as their new savior that keeps them in power. But I am certainly very open to your thoughts .
Theil is in the files and needs to go down, too.
Trump is a scapegoat. They're letting him break everything until he can't anymore, and then they'll throw him under the bus and "return respectability to the white house" without fixing anything.
This has always been the plan. P2025, "Christian" right, MAGA are all just means to their insane end. They just need trump & co long enough to break down our defenses, then get Vance into position to go full nazinutjob. Personally very surprised he hasn't fallen out of a window yet.
I thought they might try to get to the mid-terms so they can blame Yam Tits for the economic collapse & blue tsunami, 25A him then & get JDV in but I don’t think Yam Tits can weather the Epstein storm until then.
This is a fever dream
The last 10 years have been a fever dream.
This is definitely how I see things going. Leon will then probably make amends to that “new” version of the Nazi party simply because it’s of tech bros and no longer following Trumpy. And if Trumpy is still around, he’ll add more cracks with Republican voters. ‘28 will definitely have two R parties.
As soon as Trump is an albatross, they’ll push him out.
you're a clown.
Pathetic stuff here, Pam.
You don’t stop seeking the truth because you think it’s futile because there are many who don’t want to know the truth, or don’t care. Truth is the last defense against a long Orwellian nightmare.
This. Otherwise we give in to hopelessness and I refuse to do that. All authoritarian movements and power grabs seem inevitable and unstoppable until… they aren’t. We’re pushing for that moment.
Yes, this. And maybe, just maybe something happens, I want the whole world to know, without a doubt, what happened.
Has everyone forgot there are real victims who deserve justice?
oh for sure he should be fully exposed but like Netenyahu and Putin being mass murderers all the world can see - nothing will happen
"You don’t stop seeking the truth" Don't see this exhorted anywhere. What's being asked is: what're we going to do with these offenses as past ones result in he is still POTUS affecting our lives? It's known he rapes, yet here he is. Maybe if his rapes are connected to treason, it will force change?
“But again, so what? There’s no way to get rid of him.”
Or, "So far, what we've done isn't working. What can we do to get rid of him?" Do you see the difference in the types of questions you and I ask? So what? or What can we do other than point out the obvious? I operate in the latter more than the former. I think getting rid of him IS possible.
Do you realize I was quoting her? I’m confused by your response.
Yes, I do. I also see how it sounds when the words you've selected are taken out of context. When propped up on their own, as you've done, they sound disconnected from the spirit of her message as expressed by the same words but in her context. Should I get deeper into inference?
You changed the words to meet what you wanted it to say.
I think getting rid of him is possible also - I also see the value in continuing to push the Epstein files and other things that uncover the truth. But that’s good, I don’t know what your point is but you’ve made it so that’s good.
Also, she said there’s no way to get rid of him.
"there’s no way to get rid of him" is said by her in an overall context of we've crossed one line after the other and he's still here; we've heard him say on recording he assaults women; a jury 3x said he lied when he accused her of lying about rape, yet, here he is. Does this 🧵
really need to be explained so much? We have endless offenses beyond things we've witnessed in our lifetimes and/or ever, but GOP are still destroying what's left. Pam is asking what it takes to change this course, and it is quite obvious that what she is saying/asking is: if not thus far, when?
I think I read it the way she meant it and I don’t know why she needs you to re-interpret her words.
Since a majority of Americans are allowing us to get to the point we are at right now, Pam Keith and I are wondering what it will take to make them stop allowing it. Why don't you wonder? If more would advance to the question/answer Pam + I are considering, I bet we'd have hit rock bottom already.
I think the issue is that Trumpism literally is a cult. The kerygma is QAnon: that Donald Trump is The Chosen One (Hebrew: Messiah) who will defeat the satanic pedophiles. This scandal undermines the Gospel of Trump worse than finding Jesus' body would do to Christianity.
Everyone who votes against impeachment gets charged with aiding & abetting child rape after the fact; just as I would be if I covered for a rapist. Of course you'd need to wait for a non-complicit government to be in power or the military would need to do it
DOJ??
Then what? We'll then be in a better position to deny him a third illegal run for the presidency.
You are so right - he gets by with everything. Makes me sick.
The Grand Old Pedo party; Rep. Rodney Creech (R) accused of inapproperiately touching a minor and climbing into the minor’s bed with an erection. Creech is removed from his committee assignments, including his chairmanship of the House Agriculture Committee. www.cleveland.com/news/2025/05...
Well I have to admit they at least removed him from his committees. Something most GOP legislators haven’t been willing to do
They’ve demanded he resign but I don’t think he’s resigned yet.
So they kind of sort of played tough and he said screw you
I’m sorry, I generally like your posts but you really missed the mark on this one.
Getting to the truth, with evidence, and making it known and available to the public is an end in and of itself. Maybe there are consequences for Trump. I certainly hope so. But truth matters, and bringing these things out to be examined in the light of day is important.
Because it may contain proof that some very powerful people were pedos and should be held accountable. I think feeding them into a woodchipper is a good idea. Trump, Clinton (both him and her) the cleaning lady - anyone and everyone, where there is proof should get everything a crime needs.
The holding it back is doing a lot fo damage to trump as people are pissed he didn't release them promised. It had sown the seeds of doubt in a lot of peoples mind.
Its obviously a cover up - it was a coverup for EVERY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. There is a cloud over everyone's head and it needs to be resolved.
What is the argument AGAINST outing a child abuser and sex predator??? Like you're coming at this backwards. Who cares about polling strategy here?
Well in a world with accountability if he raped little girls be would be removed from Office and tried and send to jail- but America has an elitism problem
He'll say Obama, Clinton and co, put it there.
Liberals never beating the "things will never get better so let's never do anything" allegations
But she called him TACO!
Maybe if she'd have called him Dolan Jeffery DrUMPF the Orange Cheetter Extraordinare Trump would have seen it on his daily download while drinking his 43rd Diet Coke for the day and been so mad he'd have a heart attack!
that is such a bizarre taunt. its like they want trump to crash the economy and start ww3
It literally started because they were calling him a chicken for not bombing Iran. And then got mad when he bombed Iran.
😕
Doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do just does not feature in their values. "What's in it for me?".
Maybe Dems will take the midterms. Maybe he'll go totally bonkers & start slobbering as he crawls on the floor of the WH. Maybe his party will finally get rid of him. Unfortunately, the die has been cast beyond him. If only Hillary had won, then Kamala. If only those clueless ppl had voted.
Like every other scandal he’s involved in, he’ll skate, we’ll eventually move on to the … next scandal. Rage and repeat
So a shitload of kids got raped as a consequence of this. Do you think they'd appreciate you turning their suffering into a thought exercise, you heinous bitch?
You may not think it would make a difference, but he is unusually worried about it.
Why do people still have faith in this system? Why? *How?* It’s clearer than ever that the system operates on raw power That laws are for us, not for them And that democracy is utterly destroyed and powerless. We’re in the end days of monopoly gangster capitalism that Marx & Lenin predicted.
Only a people’s revolution can possibly upend what we are seeing now: complete capitulation of liberal democracy to the violent power of fascist oligarchy. And we don’t have time like we used to. Climate change means we are up against the wall already.
Honestly don’t think we are going to make it. But that’s not a surrender by any means. Don’t go down without a fight. And even if the world were ending tomorrow, I would still plant a tree today.
I seriously doubt if he'll lose much support, unfortunately...
1. I haven't seen anyone actually expecting he'll be removed from office for the Epstein stuff. 2. There are many other benefits to driving down his approval. 3. Punishing people who use their wealth and power to engage in and hide the sexual exploitation of children is itself good, per se.
"Why engage in political messaging if it won't magically get the president removed from office?" Ma'am, you said TACO unironically in your post. Did it work, is he gone yet?
He already told everyone that he didn't need any votes after 2024. He doesn't plan on having any more votes. People need to recognize that truth and see what is inevitably coming.
‘Nature’ needs to take its course… 💀
You’re right. We shouldn’t do anything and just let bygones be bygones.
I think the best outcome from this would be finally getting MAGA voters to realize the punch is poisoned. There is already a glimmer of hope in that they are asking any questions against him.
We have a Congressman give it up that Congress is doing the same or worse and nothing was done except him getting fired
✔️Such a conundrum. Long ago in a faraway land there was this 4yr window, called WH46… Hey, I hear Biden is a nice guy. Great he was so nice 2 drumpf. Not so nice to the rest of us. Reminds me of that time Mueller wanted 2b fair 2 drumpf. Not so fair 2us. Sorry if that bothers folks. It’s reality.
“Why would we try to make our political opponents less popular?” You definitely sound like a Democratic strategist.
he loses 20 million voters permanently. that’s not nothing. and he can’t outrun the testimony of 13 year old girls he raped with Epstein. he mighta thought he did but it’s all catching up.
We make every other person listed in those files lives so miserable that they give up more dirt on PedoFuhrer until there is no choice but to impeach him.
It would take a monstrous effort to get him out and then we would be stuck with JD Vance. 😡
Would you be comfortable saying this to the victims?
It’s the reality of the situation Please pt out the lies
log off dipshit
Keep the burr under his saddle…
what is impeachment for if not this? i mean, you have this thing where you can impeach a sitting president, but under what circumstances can you? has he not done enough bs already to do so?
Why does anything matter? Why do we keep waking up in the morning and going to work? What kind of stupid fucking post is this lmao
Then, as a Democrat, you run on that, as if they were Hillary Clinton's emails. Every conversation starts with "Republicans support a child rapist. Anyone would be better."
For your own safety i hope your office uses safety scissors instead of the big kid scissors
And yet, look how hard he's freaking. So something is on the line.
.....he's done measurable harm to many vulnerable young women from before he was president. You out the fucking pedophile because you want the slightest bit of peace for the victims, you don't fucking try to game out if it matters or not to out the literal pedophile.
you guys give up too easy
At least he will go down in the history books as a zero and not a hero. And that is what he fears the most...being exposed as the dirtbag he is.
Pam kids got raped.
oh my god can you people shut the fuck up and grow a spine and stop calling the rapist "taco" my fucking god this is why dems lose elections
This is so MSNBC-pilled, it's really disqualifying you as a political commentator. The truth should always come out, even if it is only to respect the victims and the horrors they went through.
his base becomes very uncomfortable, a percentage thereof will grow disillusioned and stay home from the poles
Maybe. Hopefully.
Having lived around the ilk that would vote for him. I'm sure they'd find an excuse to vote for a child rapist because they had differently skin colored people.
of course that's true for 99.999% of them, but at least this might make them squirm a little
I cannot legally say what should happen but we’re all thinking it.
This meme is deranged for so many reasons.
mfkrs weren't ashamed or afraid of basically anything else
😎half steppin all the way to hell! 🎶🎶
Nobody asked
We immediately withdraw our recommendation for him as a child care worker.
It's true, why can't the Democrats try doing nothing for a change? Doing something might not work!
The first Trump video will be released and the MAGA crowd will be like "Wow, look at that girl, she is SO hot!". Horndog gets his third term. That whole age-of-consent thing will turn out to be woke DEI shit.
he needs supporters when he refuses to leave
Because he does not want to talk about Epstein is exactly the reason we should be taking about Epstein.
Pam, I typically agree with most of your takes and posts. And that said, you have a point here. But… If the Democrats can’t figure out a way to use this as a sledgehammer with Independent voters and disillusioned MAGA, then there’s no hope and we deserve to live under a dictatorship.
But there still won't be a successful impeachment. It takes 67 votes in the Senate to remove him.
It’s not about impeachment. It needs to serve to weaken both his base and people that turned away from Harris in 2024. Abandoning Israel would go a long way to that end as well.
How many sham "investigations" did GOP execute against Obama admin? What effect did they have politically? And now there is real scandal, with children as victims, and you don't even want Dems to impeach? Liberals have no idea how to create spectacle for political advantage.
Maybe pointing to the however many GOP Senators that wouldn’t impeach and saying “That one thinks protecting child rapists is more important than justice for sexually abused children” is a) better for society and b) likely to lead to good electoral outcomes in the midterms? Just a thought.
That’s what I think, nothing will happen. He won’t lose supporters, they’ll do a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid the truth. That said, there’s a lot of other people on the list that maybe have much to lose.
So then you start asking Republicans EVERY DAY "Why won't you impeach the pedo president" and maybe people can see the republicans for who they are
We are at the point right now where you have to ask Democrats "What are you prepared to do?" because from the looks of things it ain't much. Especially Schumer who should have been removed from leadership after he broke his deal with the House. Really hoping to see some primary challenges this year
I’m surprised we haven’t seen large numbers of people running in the primaries yet. 2026 should have started 2 months ago. This is street fair, protest, and picnic season to find people who will help your campaign and win the primary early next year.
Right!?! I think there's one thing that might stop him, and even that's not 100% in my mind.
The ideal scenario is maga falls apart under the realization that their god king is undeniably a pedo monster.
You are wrong the Epstein trump is important Justice for the victims
Maybe he gets charged in New York for state crimes.
Then the real pedophile hunt will begin. Capture and no release. Fuck due process to all of them!
Utter failure & subsequent disgrace?
That's when he dies of heart failure, they brush it under the rug and move on to VP Vance... P2025... Pretty sure they publicized his diagnosis so they'd have it to fall back on when he kicks it under mysterious circumstances.
I mean he’s a visibly ailing 79 year old man with many unhealthy habits. I’m not sure his death at any point from here on out is likely to be mysterious.
We shall see...
Donald is afraid of Melanoma divorcing him and embarrassing him. The only emotion that Trump is negatively affected by is humility and shame at being laughed at. Keep on laughing at him and he will fall to pieces.
Arrest him and put him on trial
There is a law against raping and he should go to prison for that. What’s the confusion
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE educate a few more 'NAZI MAGA goons' to open their Brains and see a tinge more of their 'trumpy dumpy aka EL PAYASO DEMENTE' so that they JUST DON'T LOVE him as much and slow down their SHUFFLEWALKING BOBBLEHEADING cadence BEHIND him. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE . . .
Nothing
If it happens before midterms, and there is an election held (instead of a national emergency for an excuse to stop it), and if enough Republicans (or non-partisans) decide Trump is unfit…then, even with redistricting, there is a slight chance that Dems could retake House or Senate. Then…maybe
He's already blaming Biden...I guess knowing he's all over the Epstein files, he's trying to get ahead of the fallout...and the sad thing is maga will get behind the lies so they don't have to face reality... l.smartnews.com/p-5TUFPOk8/q...
It all starts with one brick being thrown...and then the crowd realises - as one - 'the emperor' was just a lying paedophile all along...and 'operates accordingly.'
Glad you’re not running the resistance.
That's the thing. "OOH, we got him this time!" No you don't "We'll get him next time!" No you won't
Let’s say he was an early investor. It would explain where the money came from to inspire his book The Art of the Comeback, written a few years after Epstein started his child trafficking business.
what is the "Esptein thing"
If Democrats can't make political hay out of Trump being a pedophile then what is the point of the Democratic Party.
"More like President TACO 🌮😂😄" Get Out.
Two psychotic republicans tried to kill him just for running. Wonder what will happen if they all find out he's a pedophile
It's time to eat the rich
100 years more of shite.
No but it will make it easier to vote out the supporting Republicans in Congress. Pedophile adjacent is not a good look.
So what's your point, Pam? Do you want to sweep a massive child trafficking and rape ring because it inconveniences you? How stinky a piece of shit are you?
“Let’s just continue the trend of letting white collar criminals continue to never be held accountable for anything because their own won’t ever turn on them” is a helluvva take.
you have two jobs as a political party during an election Turn out your voters, keep their voters from turning out. Doing the second one (legally) requires demotivating them and "your party and president lied to you in order to cover up the fact that he's a pedophile" is pretty demotivating
Interesting that you only see this a political leverage than as an issue to assist the *victims*.
I love preemptively giving up it's so useful and as we all know political theater is not a thing anyone does because optics are, of course, irrelevant
He escalates. Somebody gets bombed, he invades Greenland, occupies the Panama canal, and declares that the Confederacy won the civil war because Obama cheated.
He invades Greenland, you’ll have the world on your head….
That may be our only hope for his removal from power cuz this country and it’s government will never do it. Not even over pedophilia. The only hope is that the rest of the world does it and that he gives them the most incredible grounds to do it.
Just another WTF day in the life...
Every one is going to need trauma therapy after this admin is gone
Already do!
Why wait? We’re all feeling the depression and anxiety now.
I think it should be a global class action suit
I just want to be able to write off my tequila as a medical expense.
Done! 😂😂😂💯‼️
I’ve already started therapy every time we get things sorted some new atrocity arrives
Exactly!
After? We need it now!
Honestly I feel like we have all gone through some real emotional trauma since he was elected the first time & through Covid until now. Nobody seems the same. Life feels off. Constantly waiting for the chaos. Sad to see all the hurt in America & the world.
it seems endless- when 9/11 hit, I think that was the first crack; the shock broke the armor we'd had, shattering our perceptions. fear became the norm- and it was stoked every waking moment with ceaseless assaults on logic & reason. the lies & manipulation led to wars that killed 100kx more than 1/
the initial attack- we devastated sovereign nations in retaliation and it was accepted as the norm. the global recession followed shortly thereafter- we devastated our own country and the world economy out of greed, and that shattered armor we had was ground to dust. the resentment was directed 2/
at everyone who managed to barely survive, and those that made survival possible because it was a black guy who led us out instead of the white guy who caused it. then we got trump- and to be fair, he isn't the disease but the symptom- and he marshalled the fear, resentment and anger, forging 3/
it into a blade and plunged it into the heart of whatever decency and integrity we had left. then when COVID hit, already weakened and fighting a metastasizing cancer, we decayed into a mass of unstable chaos- those once solid blocks that we relied upon were gone, and any attempt to rebuild was 4/
an exercise in futility- our cancer had spread to the rest of the world, the madness becoming so common it's now the norm and widely accepted as such. we now expect diametrically opposed leaderships and compromise is no longer an option- the 'other side' is the enemy regardless of stance and 5/
You should be a writer - you have nailed it in this post.
I read All of this and you summed it up very well! Someone below said that you should be a writer ✍️ and I agree ☝️ completely! You’ve definitely got a book 📕 in you! Maybe more…
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i do think about what would need to happen to get outside help
If you don’t, get your passport & have cash on hand…
So never go after him because you’re scared? And you expect people to vote for you after that?
Being impeached didn't remove him from office, so your own argument is contradictory.
Even if it’s a brick wall, you charge at it. You make cracks and weaken that wall. Others join, cracks widen. You can’t change it if you don’t try, especially when it matters
MAGA got played. That is the message. They got played with Epstein, they got played with tax cuts that never trickle down. MAGA is looking like suckers.
And then we get to ask every single Republican, at every single town hall, phone call, etc: "Why are you supporting a known pedophile? Why are you defending a known pedophile?" That's going to hemorrhage support because most people are exceedingly against child predators
It's how his base responds. If they turn against him -- and some of them are -- that will be his undoing.
So you're saying we don't try?
Win Congress, Impeach, Convict, Remove.
Everyone seems to be forgetting the SCOTUS exists. They will simply fight to keep him as dictator.
SCOTUS can not stop above. If we win enough seats, it is our way out.
Yikes. Get a moral compass for chrissakes
Felon 45 or not, there are dozens if not hundreds of other perps appearing in photos who can be prosecuted and brought down. And before you say the DoJ will never go for that, don't forget that Tish James can certainly prosecute some cases as state crimes.
He should be thrown in jail. Those are crimes.
SCOTUS exists and would just make up new rules that say the president can rape children.
SC Rep. RJ May indicted on nearly a dozen federal child sex abuse material charges. He is a founding member of the hardline conservative South Carolina Freedom Caucus, which has been part of the effort to push the Republican Party in South Carolina further to the right. www.wistv.com/2025/06/11/s...
I think the President being a pedophile is bad, and we should say it's bad. If Republican choose to stop a future impeachment of a pedophile, thats on them.
We all agree on this. But do you honestly think they are 26 republicans Senators who would vote for impeachment?
Don't care. If there's credible evidence he's a pedophile you put forth a motion to impeach. Let GOP reps/Senator justify "Pedophiles are ok, akshually", and let them wear that label. You "keep the powder dry" until you have something with legs. Those are legs.
There’s already firsthand testimony from girls. There also more sexual assault allegations from credible women. Is Mike Johnson going to bring an impeachment vote to the floor? I’m not saying to do nothing, but impeachment isn’t going to work
We push do the right thing, and then push to do the next right thing, and this is called being a living adult
Unless you’re opposed to doing the right thing for some reason. What is the reason?
