Cooper, Streeting and Reeves all have to go ...

Put him out with the posh boy recycling. Then get someone from the UK.

And replace him with...who, exactly? British politics is at an all-time low -not one statesman in sight worthy of the name. I guess we get the politicians we deserve. Sadly, the charismatic ones are all 'baddies' (Farage, Galloway...Trump). Mediocrity is the order of the day right now...

He missed so many open goals as LotO that he could have been a striker for Whitchurch Allports. A 'king useless, waste of carbon.

Agreed. But they won't.

Who would you support?

Wrong! Rayner in a wheel barrow...

Yes, indeed. Starmer is a spineless perfidious oxygen thief. Human-toad farage’s supine lapdog. Total disgrace. 👎

If you asked me who id rather get rid of between Starmer and McSweeney, I'd opt for McS everytime. Change the dog but if its the same handler, nothing will change.

McSweeney and Falconer in the bin now. All Labour politicians off Twitter too.

Ok now im horny

Much as I hate what Starmer has become and wish someone would give him an almighty slap, these things are more achievable, and would have more immediate positive effect, than decapitating the party - which would also be handing the far right a big win.

There is also a shout for letting Starmer draw personal fire during the early stages of the govt's term while they do boring dirty work. Switch up in time for another figure to get the glory of a final leg into election. I always said this was the only way Labour could win under Corbyn but alas

If things improve enough in the economy and infrastructure for victory to be plausible it's hard to see him not wanting to take credit for that. For different reasons, the cult of Corbyn meant the base would never follow anyone else like they did him. This tragedy clearly haunts John McD even now.

Starmer will never get enough credit to escape the toxic reputation built in this first year. He is cooked as an electoral force.

I couldn’t agree more. You can see from outer space that he’s just not up to it. Grim.

No matter who the leader is , the field of battle has been to chosen by torys and reform. So it's a gutter fight where good and decency are abandoned and last man standing wins .

Who would you replace him with, the front bench are all on the same page .

I agree. I believe him to be a decent and intelligent man but he lacks the decisiveness, boldness and clarity to save us from the coming abyss.

They won't, look at the lack of noise the backbenchers are making. The leadership stuffed the 2024 candidate lists with right wing small-c conservatives who'd probably be happy to see Farage as Prime Minister.

Agree, he has been missing in action over the summer. He'll be coming back to a full blown crisis of his own making.

We’re fucked simples. And we never voted for them in Westminster. We vote SNP in Scotland and yet we’re subservient to a foreign nations dictates

Who would you recommend replaces him?

Zarah Sultana. You?

I really don’t know but I can’t see her being elected now she’s in a different party.

A tub of lard, Starmer turned into one

There’s no answer to this silly reply is there.

Wet paint has more principles than Starmer

Look what's happening across Europe and has happened in America. Look at voting intentions split between 5 narional parties and the nationalist parties. Remember the changes in leadership over the last parliament. The UK needs more than simplistic solutions and calls for personnel changes.

If the likes of Kendall and Cooper comtinue to wield influence I'm not sure it will matter.

Yes, he's the PM who should have been a great Foreign Secretary.

Serious question - who in the current Labour Party do you think is a viable replacement? ( I say this without any attachment to Starmer)

Not just Starmer though, he is the figurehead for a bunch of bigoted and corrupt people that have taken over the party

Yes. This. I've even emailed that to my Labour MP as a side-thought to another issue. Perhaps more of us should do that. Perhaps not as a 'Stage a coup!' standalone, but certainly, if writing to them about government failures, say that were there to be a challenge for the leadership, it would...

... have your support. In honeyed terms, of course. Don't frighten the poor dears.

I was born here, but that won't stop Farage trying to "repatriate" me to my imaginary homeland. If somebody could just let Starmer and his headless chickens know that they aren't going to win any Reform votes by being Reform lite, that'd be great. Thanks.

True: he's playing the " rabbit in the headlights " act non stop. No backbone whatsoever. Problem most good people are forced out of the party or sidelined. Labour are losing voters left right & center just like the tories. For both parties PR is becoming a lifeline....

I agree, he is propping Farzge now ☹️😡

I have just trolled him on X again. He looks like a Tory to me now!

I left Twitter last week, and after Farage said deport women and children refugees, what did Starmer tweet, come by boat you be deported, the same as Farage

Morgan Mcsweeny is such a fucking disaster, you have to wonder if he's actually working for Reform...

Stuff and nonsense. So, tell me, who would YOU choose? And if you say the frog-faced fascist, any credibility you might have had will be well and truly blown.

Stand them side by side and there's no difference so no. That rare beast a genuine* socialist. *That rules out Corbyn

Whatever your politics no one should be fomenting discord and division, especially a proven liar who promoted Brexit, which is largely the cause of the problems the UK is currently experiencing. Cleaning up 14 years of Tory chaos is proving for more challenging than anyone expected. Give it time.

If only they showed any intention of doing that... ...sadly they openly state their intention to continue stupid policies.

Unfortunately it seems they’re learning on the job. It’s all very well to be elected with a strategy but if the mess they’re clearing up is far worse than anticipated then everything changes. I’m not making excuses but with a hostile media supporting a right wing agenda it’s not easy to cut through.

Yeah but a tiny challenge to the hostile media wouldn't do any harm and there's not one. It's got to the "if you quack like a fascist..." stage

You can challenge ‘the hostile media’ all you like, but they’ll just spin it to fit their narrative. You’ll have noticed that nowhere in the reporting of Farage’s fantasy policies is there any mention of his role in promoting Brexit…which is the cause of many of the problems. Nor of his many lies.

Still doesn't excuse the government sitting on their hands. Couldn't give a fuck about Farage and the media I want socialism from a labour government and they are not delivering

Starmer is PM. All PMs should be held to account for what they do, not what others do.

I agree & the communication from both him & No. 10, in stark contrast to that about Ukraine, (as an example) has been dire. But none of the policy successes (I won’t list them here) are covered by the media who are indulging in a love-in with Farage. In 4 years time things will be very different.

Media suppressing/ quietly ignoring what statements they do make ... maybe?

The media are ruthless if they sense a weakness in Labour so Labour have to work twice has hard to get the media to report stuff that isn't negative. It's not fair but it is what it is. Labour have no choice but to just work twice as hard when dealing with the media.

It's Labour's only hope, but the whole party leadership has been captured. Starmer has his rotten little fingerprints all over this dangerous time. He was such a glaringly Machiavellian usurper in 2019/20, we shouldn't see him as anything other than the obsequious establishment shill that he is.

Yes, I'm afraid I agree. He's got many fine qualities and would make an excellent peace time Prime Minister. But that's not now. So who? I like Burnam, although he's not currently an MP. (Or is it Burnham).

Starmer and half his Cabinet are not up to the job in these crisis hit periods globally. They are appeasers. Will lick the orange paedo 's ar** if requested! No backbone or moral compass. Simply not good enough. Replacements though?

I don't follow your politics as closely as perhaps I should, but from what I've seen he reminds me a lot of Chuck Schumer. The weakness of unprepared democracies trying to meet a moment.

Labour is simply not the party to respond to this dangerous moment in history. The UK must get rid of them. To be fair Tories, Reform Plc, LibDems, Labour: no one can tell the difference these days.

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The Labour Party is finished. Removing Starmer means nothing.

He's an appeaser with zero political convictions.

He is an agent of Israel. Plain and simple

In four years, you can decide. Democracies work like that.

Problem is it will just be another empty suit, in the back pockets of corporate donors & lobbyists like Wes Streeting, who replaces him. The "so-called' Labour Party have sold their soul and are completely unsalvgable at this point!

Sadly, I think the Labour Party itself had lost its nerve. Too scared of the Daily Mail and Rupert Murdoch to say what needs to be said.

I agree Zoe and yes, the situation is really dangerous. However, I don't think Labour is capable of changing leaders and I don't think they have anyone upto the task. 🤷‍♂️

That's the point, they have no one to replace him

Maybe Angela Rayner? The two Labour bods 'on manoeuvers' are Angela Rayner and Wes Streeting. Out of those two, Angela Rayner would worry the far right more because she is authentic.

Oh please, not Streeting. Think he'd be the worst of all worlds

Wes is Peter Thiels boy

I think the UK is screwed actually. This Labour government was the last chance. We need to go independent.

i am with you 100%, we need a free Scotland, i think it's time we stop asking and just tell them.

She is not authentic. She has gone along merrily with the genocidal policies of her government. While the lucky lass now has three houses, no Palestinians in Gaza and few in the West Bank have safe or secure houses.

What about the Mayor of Manchester what's his name again? Andy something but I don't know if that guy is pro-EU or not.

Burnham

Possible but more complicated Andy Burnham is not an MP They would have to retire a current Labour Manchester MP in a Manchester safe seat (there are a few), win the by election and then do the more difficult stuff of: Vote of no confidence or Elect replacement leader (which takes Labour ages)

Doable

I don't think so. For the Tories, yes but for Labour, no. There would be the inner factional fighting first for a year or so and then the leadership (Starmer) would have to push it through. Zero chance, sorry.

So we are stuck with Starmer until at least 2029. Good grief.

There are Angela Rayner and Wes Streeting who are sounding out Labour MPs but everything in Labour takes ages. They are waiting until after next Summer’s local elections. 🙄

Streeting is only a thing in Westminster bubble. He's really not liked.

The Labour Party doesn’t work like that. The issue is that all parties are now in the ‘attention war’. Facts have stopped mattering. Very dangerous times.

Streeting can go in the bin. He is a traitor. Was pro-EU now he is pro-make Brexit work. He would sell his own grandmother if he had too. Awful person. I like Rayner. I'm not exactly sure where she stands on Europe though. I'm also not sure she has mass appeal.

Burnham. Doubt it. He despises Westminster.

He's also not an MP, makes it tough to attend parliament

Yup. And has said many times that he doesn't want to go back.

Burnham. He's Pro-Europe, but would have to give up the Mayorship, and parachuted in somewhere as an MP.

Doable

Sadly I agree.

He rescued Labour. He's our only hope. I'll vote for him again in 3 years. He was knighted for his work with human rights. Garage can sink a pint in one go.

Wes: Yeeeeeeeeeeees??

It is so strange how many leaders got elected for their centrist views and then they go hard right: Erdogan, Modi, Starmer, Orban.

Sad to say I agree. Starmer had been a huge disappointment. Labour need a fresh start NOW and all is not lost! My longshot, Clive Lewis, an intelligent, passionate, progressive MP, who would be able to abandon election promises as he didn’t make them!

I agree but I don't think there is any prospect of that. They only know how to dance to the tune of Reform. How on earth they think stoking division and anger will lead the country to wanting to vote for them is beyond me.

Starmer is not in charge. McSweeney is.

Ok but who would you have replace him? Who in the higher reaches of today's Labour genuinely has the necessary vision and courage?

Bring back chaos with Ed Miliband

Is he still around?! Tbf I don't follow it closely anymore so only really know Cooper, Streeting, Lammy, Kendall. I forgot Rayner, used to like her.

Yes he’s energy secretary

I used to like Lammy, his speech on Brexit in the days of Bojo,was magnificent. Now he’s kowtowed to the red lines 😩

It's not just Starmer who is the problem, it is the whole Starmer project and almost all the Cabinet. Ed Miliband is the only one who might stand a chance. Beyond that, possibly Stella Creasey, who markedly didn't join in the factional fighting, or Andy Burnham or Sadiq Khan if they returned to WM.

I'd like to see Ed back.

I'm definitely warming to him. As long as he doesn't make his stone a member of The Cabinet.

@labourlewis.bsky.social has a lot going for him, too. I'd like to see a leadership that fights back agst the far-R instead of pandering to them; that campaigns to #RejoinEU; that doesn't throw my trans friends under the bus…

That's not to say that any of them would be close to being my ideal leader. But they would almost certainly be less terrible than Starmer.

LABOUR is not fit for purpose at this time. The Party is just the Conservatives in Labour Drag these days.

Someone as smart as he purports to be would know that by reversing the damage of Brexit and upholding decency when it comes to the most vulnerable would at least appease half of the electorate. The other half are chasing a vile and impossible lie anyway.

They need to disband as a party. They have become a right-wing party ran by Israeli money and backers. Starmer is an establishment pick and the most duplicitous politician in my lifetime.

I believe he's a mossad agent and is ruining the labour party. What's worse is i can't find my unicorn. Had an hour ago, and now he/she/they have disappeared.

I think he's more likely working for the US, but there's not a lot of difference is there?

I read that as "establishment prick"

So did I, and thought it was very accurate. 😂

He’s not what we thought we were voting for .. he’s no orator & seems devoid of ideas. All I take from his leadership is ‘don’t tackle Farage & the Right ‘ , in fact suggest that they may have a point! Conference … let him know . This is not acceptable !

And replace him with who though? Reeves? Lammy? Streeting? Cooper? Any replacement would be just as bad, if not worse.

Not true. Any replacement from the Cabinet, probably with the exception of Miliband or maybe Rayner, would be just as bad. The whole toxic lot of them need to go. But there are others among Select Committee chairs and principled backbenchers hanging on by their fingernails who would be better.

The problem is, Starmer saw to it that the rules were changed to make it a lot harder for such people to become leader in order to avoid another Corbyn. In any case, should a principaled backbencher become leader, they will treat them just as badly as they treated Corbyn, if not worse.

I was going to say there’s no requirement for any new leader to be in the current cabinet

No one in labour is capable.

Yep. He is spineless in the extreme. Only capable of 'standing up' to prnsioners,sick people and the disabled.

And replace him with . . . ?

Zarah Sultana. You?

No idea. She has principles, but is a serial protestor, rather than a leader.

Principles are a strong foundation. Not always possible to appreciate the qualities of a leader until they are in leadership. And vice versa. My mind is wide open to the options. Someone out there?

I don't disagree, but I don't see a credible alternative at the moment.

Pity her principles don’t include supporting transgender people.

Happy with democratic debate. Who’s your nomination?

This is the problem with a party that's partly spun out of the pro-Gaza protest movement: it caters heavily to a socially/sexually conservative Muslim vote in key areas. I don't like social conservatives of *any* religious flavour.

Fair point. Who’s your preferred nomination?

As I said elsewhere in the thread, I think, in terms of current Labour MPs, Ed Miliband & Clive Lewis are more positive. I'm v interested in the Greens, though, if Zack Polanski wins. We need someone who will take the fight to the enemy, not enable them.

Agree totally with your suggestions of Clive Lewis or Zack Polanski. Both excellent. On my list of brilliant people. Pleased that people are starting to think about the possibility of life beyond the bleak Farage, Badenoch, Starmer doom scenario. Action now urgent! ‼️

Have been thinking abt it for a long time. I cut up my Labour membership card when they voted for A50. I used my Unison affiliation to vote for Starmer as leader bcos of his Remain credentials, only to be betrayed. I haven't voted Labour since he became leader (LD or Green).

My local Labour MP is v much 'party line' & also makes terf-y noises.

Agree about Starmer and remain and therefore the betrayal.

I grew up with a mother who was slowly outgrowing the legacy of a pre-Vatican2 RC education. Too slowly for me.

And create more instability?

I think he and Canadian opposition..🤔..’leader….🙄..Pierre Poilievre can form a boy duo called.. ..LITTLE CUCKS BAND…

Unless you change the donors, nothing else will change

Give him a chance!

No chance, Starmer can do one along with his right wing cabinet, buckle under pressure from Farage, pathetic now, leave article 8 of the ECHR

😂

5 years as Labour leader, 1 as PM. He's had his chance.

He’s had it and blown it. Right wing, clueless, without principles. Wanted to be PM but without the he understanding to actually do the job. Just like Johnson. A Zionist they supports genocide.

Thats utter rot!

Why keep posting this. Starmer pandering to Reform is not supporting your viewpoint.

Its not a ‘viewpoint’ its statistics on returns when asylum claims are processed & rejected. ie. far more than the Tories managed

This is not what I voted for and I do not support it.

Fair enough

And incidentally, assuming your statistics are correct, most of the increase *was* under the Tories. Starmer did not take office 'til late 2024

Mid 2024

Huge difference.

Good lord, you actually think, like the Daily Express, being "tough on 'illegal' immigration" is a good thing. As I said, it is no more than pandering to what Reform claim to want but in reality it will never be sufficient to satisfy them. Nothing will ever satisfy racists. He needs to change.

No I absolutely do not! I have no idea how you surmise that. I support looking after asylum seekers. I have no idea how you could suggest otherwise

I mean I'm glad that you don't, but everything you have posted made me 'surmise' this. Perhaps you need to think about how you express your thoughts. Graphs/statistics can be a blunt tool without careful application.

Perhaps you shouldn’t make assumptions

Kinda feel like we've seen what happens when we give him a chance (slashes benefits, attacks trans people and immigrants, actively supports genocide). That's enough chances

I understand, if there isn’t a shift soon I agree. It’s very disappointing that they are sludging around, but Reform is the worst possible ‘solution’, its all a bit tragic.

He is making that worse as well

How many more chances? He lied to become leader. He failed to prepare for Government. He slashed benefits, condoned genocide, threw trans people under the bus, & talks about immigration in racist terms. He is incompetent and a thoroughly nasty piece of work. He's had all the chances he is getting.

No

Small boats!? Is that really your priority? Shows how far labour have fallen. Labour are only looking to court right wing voters with their Tory policies. Labour are pushing the disabled into poverty, oppressing trans people and demonising migrants. Why would anyone vote labour again?

No its not my priority, but its what the current conversation is about!

It’s the current conversation because labour won’t change the narrative. They are piggy backing on the migrant hate. Anyone who votes labour needs to look in the mirror. Because they all should be ashamed. I voted labour, but I’m never voting labour again.

Its the current conversation because the racist gammons have gone overboard with their hate

It’s the current conversation because labour are not changing the narrative. Labour are telling racist protestors “oh you have genuine concerns” and labour are ramping up racist anti migrant rhetoric and policies. You are on the wrong side of history. You on the side of racists.

What have I ever said to suggest to you that I’m on the side of racists? I’m just showing you statistics on those who’ve been processed & returned.

You’re on the side of labour, so you’re on the side of racists. I don’t make the rules. Not me who’s on the side of labour is it? It’s you. Shame on you.

Rather have a migrant than a centrist stooping like Farage

Quite

Christ on a bike. I beg of you please don’t use this as a justification again. How cooked are your brains that you think this of all things is how anybody normal judges a nominally Labour PM’s performance.

Of course not! But its real progress since the last lot. There are many other +ve things they’ve done. Why insult me? Turn your anger on someone else

It’s not a positive thing and I reserve my anger for racists who think it is.

Why racist? Thats just weird.

You don’t think that thinking that deporting people who are so desperate that they’re prepared to cross the busiest sea-lane in the world just to claim asylum is racist? I hate to break it to you, mate, but you might be a racist.

Hang on there! The graph shows only people who have been deported because their asylum claim was rejected. Its not an opinion of mine, its just statistics. ie. Labour have done far more processing than the Tories ever did.

You said it’s a positive thing that people are having their claims rejected and are being deported. I know some of those people, people who’ve been victims of human trafficking and modern slavery, and neither they or I think it’s a positive thing.

What positive things have they done that outweigh the negative things?

Justifying a prime minister on how many small boats he’s sent back is absolutely bananas. It’s not only racist but it’s intellectually dishonest and the bottom of the barrel when it comes to discussion. Shame on these labour voters. Labour voters should be embarrassed and ashamed.

He’s only just got going. Racist? Dishonest? 🤷🏼‍♀️ of course its not his only achievement!

Of course, arresting peaceful protestors, muddying the waters for trans people and bringing their very existence into question…

Plus pushing disabled into poverty. The labour assault on the disabled was absolutely disgusting. That’s the main reason I am never voting labour again. Technocratic charlatans who are harming the most vulnerable in the country. Starmer and McSweeney have destroyed the Labour Party.

If you think small boats are an issue then you are mad. Labour are a nasty right wing party full of hypocrites and liars.

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He’s had ample opportunity to not pander to racism but has consistently failed

What Dan says, 100%. Starmer has ad over a year to come up with a way of distancing himself (and Labour) from this god awful rhetoric with sound, compassionate policies, but hhe as just chased the racist vote. You cannot beat Farage at his own game, you have to be a better human being.

A year is not long. I just wish they were better at communicating what they are doing

I agree a year is not long at all, but it is a fifth of his parliament and easily enough time to move away from the 'immigrants = bad' approach.. Labour cannot beat Farage with this race to the bottom - Farage is already digging through the 4th level of hell. They need to show compassion is better

I agree

Actually he’s exactly the sort of gormless stuffed shirt that the establishment loves and trusts to do its bidding; no principles, no direction, no vision. The perfect empty vessel through which to rule, until he becomes spent and useless and is ultimately discarded for somebody even worse.

Labour conference in Liverpool starting 28 September. I’m afraid there is a high level of corruption inside the Labour Party and Starmer will be applauded.

I hope they walk out, Sun Tory tribute act now

Yes, also happening in Liverpool, where The Sun is boycotted

Labour will once more fake party democracy youtu.be/G4aLxcQMwzs?...

Thank you for stimulating a positive discussion that challenges the pathetic, mutually reinforcing Starmer/Badenoch/Farage doom loop decline into destructive fascism. The superb, dynamic, winning options for leading the left are ready to go. Hurry up everybody & Fascism will be vanquished!!

Starmer has no beliefs, principles, spine, heart, guts or vision. There is absolutely no point in the Labour Party permitting him to continue for one more day. If they do, they will be complicit in the possible election of a catastrophic fascist government, which will destroy the UK.

As a Scot, I will be very very very pro independence if Farage gets in. Which would be a change of heart. Had such hopes for Labour and those were really dashed.

As an Englishman I would also wholeheartedly campaign for Scottish (& Welsh) independence from the English flag waving dominated shitshow! Saltire or Dragon on every roundabout asap!

“Starmer is simply not the man” PERIOD!!!!!! He NEVER was….

Starmer IS the dangerous moment :(

I do mostly agree. The apathetic nature of this Labour government is willing the next government to be unimaginable. The big question would be: replace Starmer with who…?

Agreed. ASAP before he drags Labour further down. But who steps up?

Once he becomes the first Labour leader to lose Wales in next year's Senedd elections, things will start to change. www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/...

O no no. He’s perfect for the role. That role being ushering a next very hard right government.

No, we must get rid of Labour.

No we need to change leader and some of the front bench

What intrigues me is how Starmer was elected in 2015 and ascended to the leadership of the Labour Party without the MSM crowing about him having had no ministerial experience!!!! Sometimes the silence is deafening.

Been saying that after he ditched his original pledges that won him the leadership challenge 5 years ago, now looks like going to have a nasty Farage party in power unless he changes his right wing views

I don't think there's anyway his replacement won't be someone worse. Starmer was the compromise option for the people behind the scenes. I'm scared to think what their preferred choice will be like.

Completely right. Replacing Starmer with Streeting or whoever changes nothing

Oh it could makes things worse.

Exactly; the ones in senior posts are all rotten.

No good replacement. The Right fear Rayner but persistent leaks & her own naivitè has sunk her. A proper (and dangerous) political crisis for both Establishment Parties. (Rees Mugg gone to Reform). Zultana & Corbyn need to act much more quickly to stop Trumpie Farrage & his mob of racist bigots.

Highly unlikely, Labour are on a journey where they are heading into a vortex of oblivion. As a member (on and off) for almost 40 years I have never seen anything like the current capitulation towards right-wing opportunism.

You don't need to be told but this current iteration of the Labour Party, is in thrall to Maurice Glasman and the Blue Labour bollocks.....🙄 www.theguardian.com/books/2022/s...

Blueshirt Labour. Putting together 'nationalism and 'socialism'…

Glasman is pals with someone called Steve Bannon. You may have heard of Steve.....🙄

There are advisors to Starmer and McSweeney, offering 'intellectual heft' to Blue Labour's Social Conservatim. www.politicshome.com/news/article...

More on McSweeney and Blue Labour. www.theguardian.com/books/2025/f...

This is Keir Starmer now 👇🏾 [Image courtesy of@coldwarsteve.bsky.social]

Fuck Blue Labour!!! 😡

I'm sure Sunak would have sorted them out...

I can't imagine the current Labour party will be able to replace him with anyone who is any less useless... 😔

Unfortunately there's no shining lights in his Cabinet who could replace him. They have all betrayed the old, disabled, children, immigrants, WASPI women, whilst accepting dubious donations from Zionist supporters. For Zionists now read Genocide-enablers.

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They need to stop meeting Reform in the gutter and do stuff that if Reform oppose it, makes them look like the grifters they are. It's really not fucking hard at all yet they are making it so. Starmer needs better advisors and if he cannot find them, resign.

Who do you think is?

Disagree completely Zoe.

for….?

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And replace him with who? Labour is now brim full of amoral careerists. Which one should take over? Reeves? Streeting?? Cooper??? 🤮

So keep Starmer and lose the next election, no thanks

My point is that they're all as bad as each other and will carry on with the same unpopular policies.You'll lose anyway. It's the message not the messenger that's the problem.

There is not much to replace him with.

Zoe, I really respect what you do but what would you expect Labour to do about migration, considering who’s dominating the narrative in the US and the right wing media in the UK? Who would replace him?

Ditto Cooper

Absolutely agree, and Reeves, Streeting, Reed, Kendall

I think the problems in Labour go a lot deeper than 1 guy.

AND THE REST OF HIS FRONT BENCH

You know Spiked Online, that used to be the Revolutionary Communist Party, yes?

Did anyone outslde the RCP (including mainstream communists) ever think they were communist? I'm not aware of any.

Did anyone ever think Glasman was a centrist?

Blue Labour scum, he hung out with Steve Bannon of the GOP Trump party

Revolting.

He is revolting Glassman

Bourgeois social fascists?

🤣

He at least has an academic record to back up what he says. What does anyone on Spiked have (apart from perhaps James Woudhuysen or Joel Kotkin)?

Your initial post said nothing about academic records.

That's true, because I didn't need to; there wasn't any contrast needing to be made at that point because we were just discussing the Spiked crew. As soon as Glasman entered the picture, I thought it made sense to mention the difference between them and him.

You posted a facile meme and now you want to pretend it's a fully worked out argument.

I don't like Spiked because I think they're right wingers hiding behind the label of (one time) communists. It's that simple.

Somebody once tried to recruit me into the revolutionary communist party. I’m moderately certain that she really was communist.

What, this one? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolut...

Probably. The woman in question approached me at an abortion rights rally – I note this isn’t listed as one of the front organisations. We had a drink, and she struck me as absolutely barking, though rather clever.

this why we everything is fucked.... both sides to stupid to see thr value of the middle ground....

What middle ground, Starmer gone to the right, not even in the middle over wanting to leave the ECHR article 8, Bridget Phillipson said Yvette Cooper looking at that idea, pushed by Blunkett and Jack Straw the right of a family life

none of them are middle, The window has shifted so far right, that Corbyn who was middle is not considered far left...

Middle ground today just means "let's keep everything fundamentally as it is" which is exactly what Labour and Tories have been doing. This is exactly what led to Trump, Le Pen, Farage etc.

no the middle ground is about finding a way to stop things from going extremes. You think Trump, Le Pen, and Farage are the middle then you clearly are not that political astute.... The idea that middle ground is keeping things the same. shows a lack of understanding what conservative means

I didn't say that they are the middle, read my post again. They are not. They are the natural reaction of sticking to the middle for years.

he is not a politician. a technocrat, at best. a year on a failed leader.

The entire party are a bunch of cowards. There's no one to stand up to him.

Pity there aren´t more like Clive Lewis & Andy Burnham

They've tried their absolute hardest to remove anyone with an iota of humanity in them. They're building a party of people that tow the line and say yes sir to Kier. I've always voted labour. I will be going nowhere near them.

so have I, all my voting life. I joined the Green Party a few years back as they are more aligned to my views. although I still voted tactically for labour last election

Do you now regret voting for Labour?

phew! great question. I don´t regret voting Labour to get the tories out. If the Greens had a chance to have won I would have voted Green. But I am disappointed with how right of centre the Labour Party appear

I wish it was only a matter of Labour 'appearing' right of centre. But surely, how you act when you HAVE power is more sure a gauge of who you really are than what you say when you want to GAIN it. While there are some who remain in it that are still principled left, they have been made a minority.

I agree with you.

If only there was PR so that there was more Green Party voices in parliament, & I would prefer a Labour Party that had more voices like Clive and Andy.

There is a conundrum because FPTP functions as a trap - where those who want PR nonetheless continue voting for parties who do not want it, thus perpetuating the very system which manipulates their vote. Thus rewarding them for not introducing PR Don't be conned!

yes, it´s a rum do.

I'm liking the look of @zackpolanski.bsky.social if he gets the nod this week!

So you hate the environment then and think appeasement works.

i am a green party member so hardly “hate the environment”. what appeasement are you talking about? what has the green party done to appease anyone? what makes u think u know me to assume what i think?

Scots greens want to leave NATO as does Polanski to set up a toothless talking shop. They oppose every bit of infrastructure required to provide energy. That's how they get rural votes.

Entertain me here. What party then if one cares about the environment and the average person, should they vote for?

stein's campaign manager (green) in the US welcomed Trump 2/winning because he thinks it will set off a popular uprising. That's what splitting the left does. Gets fascists in power.

Jill Stein of the Green Party in the United States? What left in the USA are you talking about?

The most important thing is preventing Farage getting in. So which party is most likely to win in your constituency. Because if Farage gets in, all is lost.

That we agree on but this labour government isn't about to do that and I'll never ever vote for the tories. Then what?

and that is what i did last election although it was to prevent a tory victory. so if yer choice is green or reform u would vote green even though u think they hate the environment?

what are you talking about? are u a reform supporter?

Certainly not. I actually want green policies, not tooth fairy adjacent fantasies.

what tooth fairy adjacent fantasies? who would you suggest is worthy of your vote?

eh?

Just describing green policies.

the green party hate the environment?

They propose fantasy world solutions.

what do u propose?

Yes.

He's doing exactly what his paymasters paid for 🤷🏼

The voters decide that. As we did to put him in as our PM. So stop with click bait. As far as I’m aware we live in a democracy and all your mewling and whining just makes you look like a child. He is exactly the man to deal with moment in time. As he is. Just not in a way that suits you.

Well said 👏

As long as "dealing with this moment in time" means seeing his party's popularity plunge while surrounded by far right lunatics in other parties waiting to fill the void. He needs, we need, to keep those buggers out of power in four years' time. He's not doing well so far.

It’s not the first time a Labour Gov. Has been unpopular in the early stages. Probably because Labour actually do things. Things that take time to benefit the country. Not just 3 word slogans and quick fixes that never fix. It’s a five year term.

This is true. But they need to up their game. They need to be seen to have policies, to be implementing them, publicising them and to be standing up to and indeed attacking Reform and Farage. God knows there's plenty of material.

Piling in with both feet will do nothing but fuel the fires of division. That is exactly what Farage wants. Keep the story going. I’m sick to the back teeth of social media politics. It achieves nothing but more and more division. The other stuff you talk about is being done. You’ve just missed it.

If I have then so have a lot of other people. That's why I say that have to be *seen* to be doing these things. There's a whole media world out there amplifying the lies of others. It's always been a challenge for Labour with our billionaire-controlled media, but a vital one.

I’m aware of this problem and it sounds like Labour are starting to do something about it. But listing a lot of things that should be done when most have been done will mislead the very people you’re talking about. The facts are out there. Spend a little time with them.

(Also, FPTP is a lousy and pretty vague form of democracy which tends not to reflect the democratic will very efficiently.)

Labour should be banning protests from going within a mile of an Asylum Hotel asap.

That could aggravate matters. Despite the amped-up headlines and agitation by the usual political suspects, most of the protests are very poorly attended (for now, at least), sometimes with larger counter-protests. @sundersays.bsky.social is posting lots of factual reports on his feed.

Fair point but they’re aggravated enough already. 5 twats were arrested today at the West Drayton one for breaking into the hotel.

Starmer could just speak out against these ! FFS that would be a start .

Starmer is clearly not rising to the great challenges facing the UK. He is fiddling around the edges while Rome burns

*Looks up what Andy Burnham is doing next month...*

If you’re pushing that line I respectfully suggest it’s incumbent upon you to recommend who should be ‘appointed’ to take over who would do a better job

Nadia Whittome. Zarah Sultana. Zach Polanski. The lady who runs my local sewing group. Any of the above would do better.

John Major would do a better job and isn't fazed by the far right, Nigel Farage or the rabble that is now the Conservatives. For Labour though, nobody is up to the task.

Interesting suggestion as a thought experiment.

Anyone who is awake & isn’t a member of the crashed Cabinet. Any MPs that have been chucked out of the party, voted against his awful social policies, & is appalled by Israel’s genocidal atrocities. I’ll start the nominations with Zarah Sultana. With or without the corpse of the Labour Party.

Well now you’re introducing a GE into the issue, which transforms the question rather markedly

No I’m not. You are.

Well given she’s now the co-leader of the Party with No Name, I rather suggest it does

Only if she isn’t re admitted. This speculation is subject to democracy within the Labour Party & Your Party. Given Starmer, Farage & Badenoch are now in complete agreement with Farage, I’m not expecting another GE. Just the elevation of a Fascist Supreme Leader. Your choice still Starmer?

Well I cant agree with your absolutist claim, but despite the disappointments, sometime wincing and shakes of the head - I don’t see an alternative. But clearly Zoë wants one and as someone whose views I always find well-informed and persuasive - still wonder who she advocates for.

She is very smart and professional. She will also be aware that if she names anyone there will be a media smear campaign against her and the named person. And on the Starmer point, from my perspective, it is BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS FROM PLUTO that he has to go. Have a nice evening.

We don’t find agreement on this point - but appreciate the tenor of the dialogue

A tub of lard do a better job than Starmer and his front bench, absolutely crap politics running scared of Farage instead of taking the fight to him

One of the refugees from the small boats

There isn’t anyone. Just another bunch of inadequates, utterly unsuited to leadership. As usual those who chase power are the least able.

yep, Labour is a dead party

Anyone whose automatic reaction to the far right is not capitulation

Yes…. but you haven’t offered a name

Ed Davey. How about him? Only decent party left with the possible exception of the Greens, depending how their leadership élection goes. Ed is clear he’s not going to meet Frump when he visits.

I don't think anyone who was alive to vote in 2010 should be under any illusions what the lib dems are about. No.

I think being in ‘aligned Opposition’ permits ED a degree of diplomacy flexibility that a PM doesn’t get to practise. But I do hope his moral statements cause Labour to pause and consider how he might help shape their speech-writers

I think electoral politics is pointless pantomime for the comfortably off.

I agree that the labour party in its current iteration is over yes, they have no one.

I think it's probably done for good under Starmer, Wes and the rest of the photocopied blairite brigade

If only you were a party member, you’d get a vote!

Who do you replace him with?

No-one from the current cabinet, they’re all as bad. I’m not sure even of Rayner anymore.

Noel Edmonds

or even

I had to double take then, I thought you’d shown me a picture of the clown Starmer and his inadequate handler McSweeney. But then I realised: blobby is far better looking and much more intelligent.

Mr Blobby is a fat cunt, but Noel Tidybeard couldn't do a worse job than Starmer

Blobby is twice the statesman Starmer is. Blobby is a national icon, Starmer is a national disgrace and hated by literally everyone.

He's less robotic that much is true. Blobby is banned from Labour though as he's a former member of Militant Tendency.

🤣

Why would they? He does exactly what Tony Blair tells him to.

Sounds like a situation we have here in 🇨🇦. A former Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, Chairman of the IDU, guiding our leader of His Majesty’s Loyal Opposition, Pierre Poilevre. A Trumper.

Nah.

Any recomendations of who to replace him with? Because on the international stage, he fits in perfectly with Macron, Carney, Merz, and our most important allies.

Won’t change anything The Blue Labour grip on the party means it will just be another Starmer

For who? Wes Streeting? They are all appalling human beings and have no moral compass.

Steering , Burnham , Raymor , Khan Others may emerge

Steering and Raymor? Little point suggesting people who aren't even MPs when you're looking for an immediate change.

All things are possible Most important thing is to get the best person for the long term

Irrelevant conversation anyway, living in a bubble if you think there's any chance of it happening.

Labour member says yep I agree !

Ridiculous hyperbole

Ztarmer - funded by Tufton Street?

This is Labour today, doing Farage's work for him. bsky.app/profile/impl...

And how exactly is that doing Farage’s work? Laws aren’t perfect and do need reviewing and in this case Article 8 is very broad and undefined. What is “private life” and what is its limits? Under the wording being separated from pets is a potential infringement of “private life”.

There's an entire continent's worth of case law from the last seven decades thar define what Article 8 means. Racists want to remove the human rights protections of everyone in Britain to make ethnic cleansing easier. Labour is pandering to them.

The most unpopular and pointless government ever. They've managed to alienate everyone. Starmer is truly useless.

Horrific. Get a new leader... you know, one that believes in some of the values of Labour. Starmer must be the worst leader in Europe.

Carry on like that be 100 per cent zero, leaving our rights doing that

Keir Starmer said early in his premiership we are not leaving the ECHR. The rest is noise, and goading.

Dear me, how gullible. Remember those 10 pledges.

Kier Starmer has said a lot of things over the years that he has since changed his mind on.

Jesus Christ. How low can Labour go.

Sadly, very low it seems. So depressing. They seem totally unable to take a courageous stand on anything that the right wing media & pundits are so virulently against. Many of them must know they are truly trampling on their own beliefs. Politicians have to have some principles they stand by.

IMHO, a very grave mistake. They (the Labour Party) are repeatedly signalling to Farage that his regressive views on the ECHR & immigration are to some extent valid.

It seems that was what Starmer was funded to do, destroying the Labour party and making a government that appeases or supports genocidal terrorist states, weapons manufacturers and legitimises extremists like Fartage's deform.

I was thinking the same thing today. the job for Stammer here is to clear the road for Reform.

Funny that, I thought he was ‘funded’* to get the useless Tories and their ilk away from the levers of power. *citation required

Check the donations they're public record. Lots of rightwing corporate types. But yes, there is a shift of extremist oligarch support from blue Tories to Starmer, and then to Fartage.

Musk is chipping a lot?

Don't just take my word for it though electoral-reform.org.uk/campaigns/up...

Note it claims all the parties, but that's another case of people ignoring the Greens, who don't accept large donations.

The Green cloak of invisibility is growing threadbare at last, and will hopefully disappear under new vibrant leadership 🤞🍃

Possibly, but not necessarily directly. Trevor Chin was a key name in Starmer's campaign funding, and the declaration of his donation withheld until after voting closed... Wonder why they did that if everything was legit?

I hope he succeeds in destroying Labour. Nobody with principles is still a member.

A premise that was/is unimaginable of the Labour Party. Although I am not sure this is the case, a lot of questions need to be asked. It may be a matter of time before the affiliated Unions withdraw their financial and political support.

There's a huge huge majority of people who have simply been disenfranchised, going from far left Corbynites right through to right of centre Cameronistas. It's as if violent white Essex men are the only people who have the vote.

Good point, clearly they are the section of the electorate who the media & Farage are very focussed on right now.

Who isn't focused on them? Actually I'll answer my own question, the Lib Dems and the Greens. God knows Labour and the Tories are falling over themselves to kiss racist arse. And the media (especially the BBC) is being even more accommodating to the far right.

"Going from the just left of centre supporters of Jeremy and Zarah, to the classic Tory right. But otherwise yes you are correct, only the extremists are getting media attention and support.

Fair enough. Corbyn is quite far left for the UK but probably a centrist for much of Europe.

Corbyn was never far left IMO. He represented what the Labour Party used to be & should still be. The only reason some perceive him as being far left is because 'new' Labour has shifted the party so much to the right - leaving left-leaning voters with no viable representation.

I agree with most of that, I think he is too far left for this country (and I should have qualified that as England in an earlier post) which is why he was extremely unlikely to get to no.10. The old Labour Party hadn't won since the early 70s. The English are largely Conservative by nature. Sadly.

Interesting way of saying that the UK is shifted to the extremist right.

It has, and so have many countries. People are being manipulated to shift further and further right. What's particularly frustrating is we've all learnt about the exact same historical tactics and we know how it ends. And yet.

Lower. Much lower.

They used to say, vote Labour or get Reform. Now it's vote Labour and get Reform.

Along with all the other ECHR doubters (full on fascists) especially that creep Streeting.

Well i am sure they will listen to you 😂😂😂😉

Sadly it's beginning to look that way... @libdems.org.uk seem to be on message with the majority...and have been consistently since #Brexit removed the 1st raft of Rights & Protections without debate or consultation. Even Corbyn failed to see that one coming.

I have to say, I'm staggered at how badly he's handled this. I genuinely thought he was the right guy for the job, but his "only grown up in the room" schtick really isn't working.

"This" being so many things. I know the press is always going to stick the boot in to any policy and the Tories are utterly shameless hypocrites, but the winter fuel allowance, the freebies, the benefits bill, now nothing over the summer and not doing a decent job of publicising the childcare

changes, they seem to be falling into so many completely predictable traps and to have very little idea of how to communicate their successes.

Their Clcomms are nowhere near aggressive enough, for my liking. Any other political party would be rolling out the ticker tape parades for the work they've done with renter/workers rights and childcare support, but they seem to shy away from advertising their wins, for some reason.

*comms

This isn't new, for years parties have been saying it needs revising as it isn't working as intended. Nine countries within the EU have said it needs reviewing. This constant outrage every time labour says anything is what will get Farage elected.

It's the Farage supporters - i.e rich and powerful + rw rags (owned by the rich and powerful) + foreign backers/donors who have no business interfering in our politics, who are stirring up this constant outrage - constantly 😒 Any Labour achievement is mentioned once, if that, and then ignored.

Simplistic nonsense when you take into account what is going on in the rest of the world. Corbyn who would happily see Europe destroyed by Putin?

What's the pathway for Corbyn to become P.M if Starmer steps down?

Zoe hates democracy.

Extreme bots and trolls out in force in the thread.

You need to get rid of the entire ruling clique for any chance of change, Starmer is only part of the problem. He does need to go though.

I just wonder if he underestimates how dangerous this moment is or whether he really doesn’t care.

The writing's been on the wall for a while. bsky.app/profile/hunp...

What's worrying is that although objectively they are a centre right party - and even the "centre" bit seems questionable - they still seem to want to CLAIM to be left of centre. Because if they are, then anything to the left of John Major is now "hard left" and can be dismissed out of hand.

And he's discrediting the left, as many people think that he's left.

I think he's a really effective administrator, but he seems bewilderingly free of vision or imagination, and paralysed by the historical conjunction. It's very concerning.

The Labour right just wanted control of the Labour Party. Beyond that they don't care or have any ideas. They would rather lose a general election than have the left gain a foothold in Labour again. So he probably doesn't really care.

And similarly, the left of the Labour party would rather lose a GE than let the centrist wing keep power in the party again (as this whole thread amply demonstrates). Big winner: N. Farage.

The left have a whole raft of policies and ideas. Name one of the Starmer's Labour's?

I agree they should be more robust and forceful. The Mail etc are going to condemn them as raving Socialists anyway, so they might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. Also, I hope the left can bring itself to condemn Putin instead of the usual deafening silence. fullfact.org/government-t...

When you've located an actual 'labour' Party ... be sure and let them know!

Who do you think is good enough to replace Sir Keir?

He has done an excellent job in saving Labour and getting them a record majority in Government. 1939 and 2008 were dangerous moments in history, not 2025.

Agreed. He’s saying and doing all the wrong things.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 And not doing the right things! 🇮🇱 🇵🇸

Who is?

he's a disgusting bigot, he's absolutely the wrong person. unfortunately do Labour have anyone else

I’m sure they do , further down the ranks .

Replaced by who?

Alternative? It’s a mostly shit set

Starmer is a careerist with zero principles. He's surrounded himself with the same and used the disciplinary process to purge the party of people who have the basics of a real political education. He's precisely who The Sun want in the role. He's going nowhere.

I think you are wrong, I think we need a calm approach. Equally, I would be interested to know who you think has the ability to take over

So, if he died tomorrow who would you suggest takes over. Organisations need succession planning.

Sorry, I asked the question first, in response to someone who believes he's totally wrong. Succession planning is a different issue

So who would take over? Or don't you have any belief that there is a replacement?

Within current cabinet? There's no one.

One has to wonder how they arrived at a 'deputy leader'? Obviously not there to replace the leader. Politics is just slimy isn't it?

The deputy role is relatively new, and to my mind, doesn't serve much purpose. Everyone knows next in line is usually one of the big three positions, the Chancellor, or the Home or Foreign Secretary.

What a weird, meaningless thing to say

I didn't raise the question

Calm, yes. Rabbit in RefUK's headlights, not so much.

You think Starmer is good, he's a Zionist supporter, sucking up to Trump, not my PM

I think that you are probably a thick racist. I assume, despite that, you have an answer to the question about who could/should take over?

And authoritarian ghoul Cooper MUST NOT be allowed to suggest suspending the ECHR. It doesn't just play into Reform's hands it effects YOUR rights. We are not in safe hands EVERYONE should have the right to a personal and family life, period.

Last year he called the fat right rioters far right rioters - then we had a month of the press/public villifyjng him for being nasty to the common man and they were lionised.. Anything he says will be twisted. Just keep arresting anyone who breaks the law.

Don't disagree with you, but who off that front bench would you want as PM? They are all imbeciles( and I speak as a 50 year Labour voter).

Everyone in the cabinet is like this. None of them are good options

Ah well Nigel will be along soon. We won't be any less unhappy but the people who shout at hotels will be ecstatic

Until ...... !

The reason we haven’t had riots is because of Keir Starmer.

Farage is the reason we have riots and conservatives set the scene for them

It's not just him, though. It's everyone around him. This is absolutely who they are.

I am still struggling to identify what he believes in.

He is uninspiring and has no creativity. Scared to take on Farage. He drives me to despair. So does Yvette Cooper. Both Starmer and Cooper are as right wing as Farage when it comes to immigration.

I've met many teenagers with more spiritual, human and environmental depth than most politicians I see anywhere near the biggest seats of power. Methinks our status quo depends upon that? 🤔

I've been saying this for a long time. Basically since he *chose* make Brexit work. The man lacks integrity.

Is it time for Chaos with Ed Miliband yet?

Time to find Burnham and Khan seats

Both of them won't take the poisoned challis.

No politician would turn down the chance of being PM

They had seats.

Had

Yes and chose to leave them. Burnham after he lost several leadership challenges. What evidence is there that they wish to return?

Who said i did?

Did what?

Said i had any evidence

Pointless nonsense then.

It was my opinion. Sorry

"Incoherent ranting." You said it.

Absolutely true, he's got to go

In favour of who? Slimy Wes? Murdoch, party donors, Friends of Israel, austerity, none of that will change.

This. Absolutely.

They won't. That party is crawling with capitalist sycophants. I'm convinced the cabinet don't care about getting into power next term - it's a 5 year money grab into their Seychelles bank accounts. The majority of back benchers are cowards. Starmer succeeded in his objective: destroying Labour

Bit pathetic take 🙄

Every time I have that thought myself I go to the nearest mirror and shout in my own face 'Conspiracy theorist!' But why? Corporate capture explains everything. Without it, we're left wondering how this government can have so many missteps and yet not stumble around all over the shop, instead...

... 'misstepping' inexorably in the same seemingly purposeful direction. We accept Trump, Johnson, Truss, Sunak, Cameron had their noses in the trough, ceding to vested interests. Why not Starmer?

Name one example !?

Example of...?

I hope another rebellion happens like what happened over disability cuts, leaving parts of the ECHR is awful, this is a Tory party under Starmer

👍🏾

Absurdus estis.

Dead language. 👍🏾

Hard agree.

Maybe they could get a Labour politician to lead next. Although they do seem quite scarce these days - Tory chancellor, foreign sec whose best friend is a fascist etc

Only history will tell , not Zoe Gardener .

Who would replace him?

Ridiculous statement…

Starmer has tried and failed to mimic Farage, when he should be confronting Toadmans lies head-on. He's a corrupt nothingness heading a husk of a party

No it isn't. He's weak, devoid of any principles & appears to be easily led by some frankly terrible advisers.

Bore off….

How old are you, Dave? Is the 10 in your handle your age?

Anyone supporting Starmer is that

Anyone supporting Starmer is a ridiculous statement, err ok…

So you’re a Reform supporter?

Are you ?

Labour voters are enabling reform. Anyone who still votes labour when labour act like a bunch of tinpot right wing Tories are enabling reform.

No, sorry I don’t share your politics. I don’t think pandering to the far right and shitting on minorities is good. I mean, I assume that’s why you think Starmer is doing a good job.

You’ve made a rather large assumption and your assessment is tosh. Now if you don’t mind, I’m watching the football, enjoy the rest of your day….

You haven’t got anything of any substance to say to anyone All you have is insults. You’re an empty waste of space on here.

Is it? Really?

Yeah

That's a really well argued point

What Zoe’s ?

She spends her time in public advocating for the rights of refugees. She’s quite well known. You just saw a woman and didn’t like her having opinions and decided to mouth off. You’re a dinosaur.

You know nothing about me, I fully appreciate what Zoe does and respect her for it. You on the other hand are a judgemental, sanctimonious individual, who is wrong in every aspect of your ignorant assessment of me, now as I said earlier, go and enjoy the rest of your day….

Late to this. Why was her original statement "ridiculous"? Maybe unpack that a little bit?

I just thought it came across as a throw away statement, when you consider, we are talking about replacing a PM, at a monumentally precarious time both domestically and internationally….

Look, I don't live in the UK currently (although I've spent most of my life there). I had high hopes of Starmer. The landslide, in the UK system, allows extraordinary powers to the executive. Right now though, outside of the energy transition, it looks like they don't know what to do with it. 1/2

2/2 Worse, they're pandering to the far-right with "get tough on immigrants" messaging which never works because voters just see that they're validating the messages of Farage etc. The win last year was a generational opportunity. And it looks like it's being squandered. I'm alarmed, frankly.

Just for clarification, I despise with every fibre of my being, the far right and the appalling targeting of asylum seekers and migrants in general….

I don’t in essence disagree, with more or less everything you have just commented on. I just don’t think the timing is right and I’m not entirely sure, it’s not certain others within the party, that need replacing before the PM….

Honestly, there's four years until the next election. If Labour's to make a change, now's the time. Don't think it will, yet, as the party's famously less than ruthless. I'm also pretty sure that, as in most organisations, the fish rots from the head, sadly. I'm very surprised he's been this bad.

He's described the previous Tory government of running "an experiment in open borders", constantly echoes far right talking points, telling us he agrees but can do it more efficiently and his government is hostile to trans people. I don't see how any of this can improve with him at the helm.

So why were you so rude and dismissive towards her?

I didn’t think I was, but that’s how you see it, which is fine, the Jimmy Hill, very good….

My comment was aimed at your reply with a great deal of sarcasm. Zoe was just voicing an uncontroversial opinion. You were being unnecessarily antagonistic without having anything at all to say.

I know you meant my comment you missed the sarcasm coming back at you. I didn’t think it was that antagonistic, but I guess it’s all a matter of perspective….

No-on currently in politics is better and many are far far worse. Doomerism is deeply dangerous.

Unfortunately there’s a long queue of rabid right wing shits and centrist melts behind him waiting to be Labour leader.

Who is?

It's really interesting ... how do you separate the two ... how do you separate him from the party and the party from him When he has personalized it to be a reflection of him

And not wait four years. He must go now.

He isn't just incompetent, he is ideologically a racist too.

No, they mustn’t.

A whole career dedicated to getting in to power, not a thought about what to do once he got it.

He’s been an MP since 2015 after a long and very successful career absolutely NOT pursuing power.

This country must get rid of labour, because the longer they stay in power, the sooner Britain will become bankrupt

Who with ? The other candidates are as complicit as him.

My main take from watching Starmer is that he looks like a man waiting for instruction through an earpiece before speaking or responding to a question. - tentative, hesitant. He doesn't look like a man in charge of his own beliefs or destiny, and recent events need an immediate heartfelt response.

Nail on the head . So chalk and cheese on everything he said he stood for in the past. It is really like he got the job and was took aside and told "this is your new agenda or else"

Who do they replace him with though? The party has been gutted from its roots, in the same way BoJo stripped all talent out of his

Who would be good? I like Clive Lewis.