if you play on their territory you lose every single time. that's just how it works. what are *we* trying to build?
if you play on their territory you lose every single time. that's just how it works. what are *we* trying to build?
These are already the Democratic positions on immigration and policing; they accept the Republican framing (immigrants bad, shooty police good) but offer milder solutions. Which sends the message "we agree about the problem but we'll do less about it" and of course that's not a winning message
Exactly give no ground
it really should not be that hard. A simple, clear coherent message that we all can recite, and that is consistently understood by our constituents.
Here is my answer to that question. bsky.app/profile/davi...
Also, if you're doing what Bobby George suggests, you're going backwards.
I loled at bobby george
it really starts out with a bang "all dems gotta do is reject diversity and inclusion"
“if we just throw the right people under the bus”
A favored Dem strategy since the Clinton administration.
“First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak up, and I won”
First the came for everyone they didnt like And i didnt speak up because aligning myself to their views will surely get me votes in the next election
feeling like this post broke containment somehow cause I’m getting some replies that EPICALLY miss the point
the Bluesky experience
If you won, you can make the Jews and everyone else safe, the fascists are out of power
I feel like it’s important to mention that the actual quote says that they first came for communists and trade unionists, which is currently happening and these people are absolutely salivating over.
There are multiple versions of the quote, though I never see the version including disabled people quoted anywhere (the Holocaust Encyclopedia says it exists, though)
Wasn’t it initially written in private correspondence? Holocaust Memorial Day Trust calls it a poem, but they do mention there are multiple verisons
I'm not sure about initially, but there was a series of speeches
Actually, no.
These folks never get tired of creating straw Democrats to accuse of crimes against lefties.
"First they came for the Jews, but they were anti-Zionists Jews so I liked that."
Even better, "they came for the Jews and I said, 'here's one! Hiding in this attic!'"
ah careful, ol Smith will play the jewish ancestor card to say it's different this time
Ehh, then you get to play the "Yes it is, because this time you're on the side of the Nazis" reverse card
It's long past time we accept that the Big Three monotheistic religions are just ideologies of hate
Wrapped up in a "peace" narrative.
I did speak up, and I lost. How does that help the Jews?
"Just get the right combo of people to officially hate, bro, it's a guaranteed win, bro, I swear" - Bluesky Political Punditry LLC
Look, we don’t really go to “those parts of town” anyway.
You don't throw them under the bus. You simply don't make them the face of the party. Politics is about getting elected, not losing with honor. You people really don't get it. Putting up a losing lesbian or black woman for president does not protect lesbians or black women. See, e.g., Trump.
Wrong, cuz Dems are never going to out hate monger the Republicans and Libertarians. Dems need to reject the false reality Republicans and Libertarians make up and press people about who they want to kill off while they destroy the country. While presenting their own inclusive vision that
Provides equity and equality for everyone. Americans (non-Black) have already proved they’ll pull the lever every time for the most hateful, even at their own peril. We have to counter that.
Which "losing lesbian" are you referring to? Some hypothetical one? WTAF are you talking about? For the GOP, putting up a demented sociopath (which doesn't protect anyone) hoodwinked everyone-your country just picked him A SECOND TIME You people have lost the plot, truly
“you people”? Yikes.
gotcha: only straight white (christian, i'm assuming) men should be democratic candidates
How about standing for a set of values- regardless of the political headwinds- that ppl can rely on you to defend? Or supporting the best candidates with experience and perspective regardless of sexual orientation or race? The very fact that “DEI” exists…
…is due to a lack of diversity, equity and inclusion for all in our communities. These issues don’t arise in a vacuum. With Dems falling into the R trap of viewing this as some magic bingo card to winning a temporary game, they will keep losing messaging and elections…
Do you think Kamala Harris, the VPOTUS at the time, one heartbeat from the Presidency, was the face of the party last year after the President chose to stop his campaign because of her race and gender? I don't think you've thought this through.
If anything it was the ancient white man being the face of the party for too long that sank Harris's chances
Whaddaya mean "you people"?
What would a non-losing-lesbian or non-losing-black woman look like?🤔
Dems aren't really placing minorities as the face of their party. Their approach to DEI, trans rights, and immigration is wimpy at best. Republicans put these labels on Dems, and Dems don't even deserve them. I wish Dems were as "extreme" as the right says they are.
Oh, ok But like not in a racist or sexist way
found the Biden 2008 fan "Don't make them the face of the party." holy hell
For people with any moral sense at all, values aren’t something you just abandon because of polling
I disagree. I think that people who purport to hold the moral high ground which results in thousands suffering and dying are not moral at all.
You seem to lack an understanding of basic moral development When people have principles, they don't "purport" to hold them They literally HOLD THEM Just as the right literally believes abortion is murder & that black people are inferior, the left believes minorities are equal members of society
So what about the people who make pragmatic concessions when historical evidence demonstrates pretty clearly that the concessions will win them nothing?
Are there not thousands of women and people of color?🤔 You should take a long long moment and reflect You won't. But you very much should.
A lot more than thousands. Millions. And none of them will be helped by the current administration. I suggest we focus on avoiding similar administrations in the future, if we get the chance.
Who the fuck is “you people?” 🤨
Avoiding support for black women or lesbian candidates on the basis of this is just bigotry. There are trans women and lesbian politicians in state legislatures and in Congress right now, some of whom have successfully been re-elected.
a Black man won the presidency in 2008. Many people couldn't believe it could happen, until it did. Don't choose candidates just on identity, but don't *not* choose them because of identity.
That’s all I’m saying, yeah! Republicans shaped the dumbass identity politics discourse, AND YET plenty of people who are not white Christian males have won races in the interim.
“If we placate our abusive husband and just get his dinner cooked faster, maybe he’ll stop hitting us”
Also really need to be more open-minded about Nazi salutes, and that’s it
No, you see, we just have to be polite fascists, then all the reasonable people will pick us over the explicit fascists and anyone who doesn't like fascism still has to vote for us because at least we're the polite ones.
So become the All Time Pick Me
"what if civil rights are bad?"
All Dems gotta do is say bussing instead of something something something.
"Why can't dems just be regressive conservatives???"
At least we can still keep equit- oh hang on, there’s a call on line 2
"If you'll just stop doing everything that helps people, you'll be okay with us."
We need to move left and hope it helps people re-engage politics rather than trying to steal the Rights voters. More people didn't vote than did, go after them to vote.
I'm mad I see so many articles talking about Trump voters but nobody is looking at nonvoters at all. Converting a third party voter into a Dem voter would be easy if they were interested in doing so at all.
The thing is, why would I vote Diet Republican if I can just vote Republican?
The center of the party has been begging for this for decades, except it was originally kicking all us Negroes to the curb rather than support us in our fight. Just more groups included in their plea now.
Noah is a ghoul. him bill Maher, Matty and shitheads want to rerun the campaign Harris did. she had the fucking Cheney's parading around. I did my MBA at Berkeley they aren't woke classmates work for trash companies. absolute idiocy from the pundits
one of my favorite classes there was on equity fluent leadership and it wasn't even super woke. like one of my classmates there is a senior leader at Amazon not a fucking radical. destroying colleges for complete dipshittery
Weird how no one ever recommends throwing themselves under the bus. It’s always somebody else who needs to go.
Oh, no, they do that all the time (MAGA women voting in favor of losing their rights. The fact there are trans repubs /at all/. Etc.) They assume that exceptions will be carved out for /them/, or, some of them, that they can buy their way around it.
With this grifter-in-grief, the latter are probably right, until they aren't.
The real trouble is they /think/ they are throwing somebody else under the bus, and not paying attention to the rope cinching tighter around their own ankles as the slack plays out.
You’re absolutely right, but they don’t do it consciously. They don’t say, “You know what, I and people like me need to go.”
The tent is too big.
The 'using DEI as a dog whistle' thing, when DEI also applies to women, veterans, people with disabilities, and more, says right up front that this is a garbage argument, a 'well guys we tried, they just won't listen to reason'. 😬
DEI, as it is practiced today in white-collar workplaces, has had minimal positive impact and led to a great deal of resentment. DEI programs need to be improved, if not overhauled.
Really shows that this is just a game to them. The lives of diverse working class and poor people are just "issue cards" to be played or discarded as they bargain society out of it's rights and dreams.
It is just like team sports to these weirdos. The only ideology they follow is "my team wins", no care for what ideology or policies that team has. It's just fandom.
"Be the change you think others want to see in the world" They're so bold 🙄 You don't need to lead others to what is popular, that will happen on its own. Righteous leadership is convincing people to support what is right even when they don't want to.
As near as I can tell most democrats think it's a football game or something and the point is 'winning' not being human. Whatever you need to do to make that happen is acceptable
"In the game of patriarchy, women are not the opposing team; they are the ball" just repeat for whichever minority group the Dems decide to cede on
They play games with social wars and rights to keep us busy trying to protect those when we can be fighting for our rights AND a more fair economic system.
ITS THE FUCKING ECONOMY! People are in debt up to their eyeballs, they are sick, little vacation time, education system is struggling, few job protections, inadequate retirement security, poor safety net. The greed of the rich needs to stop, but they make excuses.
All his above points are fine.
You aren't that smart are you?? No critical thinking skills whatsoever.
Trust me Black people have known for YEARS that some Dems and a LOT of leftists resent how much political power Black people have in the Democrat party.
I’m black lol, I don’t have to trust you! I am fully aware
Again, that's not what it actually said (although given the right's abuse of DEI as a phrase, I can't entirely blame you for making that mistake.)
We may want to build something, but centrists like Noah just want to stay in power despite repeated fails, which is why he’s pretending that the same Republican Lite approach that lost 4 months ago is suddenly the answer now.
These people are bigots but are too chickenshit to just come out and say that so they're appealing to an imaginary silent majority. Democrats won in 2020 while defund the police was in the zeitgeist. They overperformed in 2022 being seen as pro-trans. These clearly aren't political kryptonite.
By a candidate who was against the framing.
No you don't. Not everything is an us vs them situation. Dems need to be open to the possibility that not all their ideas are good and not double down simply because republicans disagree.
Which of the ideas in the tweet in question do you think is a bad one? Diversity, equity and inclusion, spending money on solving problems instead of throwing billions at brutal, ineffective policing, the internationally-recognized legal way to seek asylum, or the existence of trans kids?
How can Bill Freaking Kristol see this issue clearly as one of human rights and basic dignity, and drips like you can’t?
You can't buy a house or feed your kids with white male privilege alone. As long as Dems fail to acknowledge this, white males will vote red.
"With liberty and justice for all"
>What are we trying to build Evidently, some centrists like Noah just want to recreate the pre-Trump GOP
It pains me to say it but the right wing propaganda machines have skewed the perception of some of these issues-idont like to denigrate Trump voters but is it that they were so ill informed and closed off that they could be dumped or do they mostly know as we do that he is a scumbag but don't care?
Crossing the border to seek asylum is a right enshrined in international law. To act like someone should request asylum at home is to willfully misunderstand the nature of asylum.
Let’s not forget the likely 2028 dem candidate, Gov Newsom is all for criminalizing the homeless and is a rabid transphobe.
Based on the new DNC agenda, this looks to be their proposal.
“Crossing the border to request asylum” is in fact 100% legal and correct THE WORLD OVER!
It would be a big fat W for the Republican Party
DEI isn’t something imposed by The Party on the public. It’s not a “Democratic plot”. It’s the culture organically evolving.
“All we need to do is abandon our core principles.” How’s that been working out?
Any changes in policing have been going on at the local level in response to citizens wanting more accountability for abuses by cops.
Seeking asylum is legal.
No. ..I.. O ..I.. Tired of these assholes demanding we cave on our values, when they stonewall anytime they don't get 100% of what they demand. "Treat others as you would treat yourself" is how I was brought up. If they wanna stonewall, I see no reason why I shouldn't give it back to them.
Just call yourself Republicans and be done with it.
Ah, the ever present myth from MAGA that we are out here transitioning toddlers.
I have yet to see any of these guys use “DEI” in a way that makes me think they could give me a ten second explanation of what they think it means
None of us are free until all of us are free. Fuck Noah Smith, let them rot in a gulag while they think about their stupidity.
Moving toward the center isn’t caving. You can’t make changes if you don’t win. And we need to win moderates to win elections. Most people are in the middle, not activists.
The Dems continually lose with that strategy. They win when they run on progressive principles and policies.
People seem to forget 2020, 2012, 2008. Every election requires the middle. And change doesn’t happen overnight. Gay rights, gay marriage, desegregation, civil rights were all long battles that required moving the middle of America over time. I am not saying it is right. It’s just reality.
Those elections all serve the argument I am making, not yours. People respond to clear principles. Obama ran as a progressive and so did Joe Biden, the first time around. Progressive policies like M4A, ending wars, and taxing the rich are very popular.
I live in the sticks. It’s all economy and jobs for these people. The rest just doesn’t matter. And perception is reality for them. Obama won due to the Great Recession. Biden won due to Covid. Trump won due to convincing people their economics would be better with him.
I am dumber after reading that screenshot.
Republicans don't even care about transgender women in sports anymore, they've moved on to criminalizing being transgender cause they knew sports was just a wedge they could push on. Jesus how are they this bad at this
If history is any reference, they should move further left. Seemingly worked for conservatives going full reactionary on policies. Also grow a spine and not defend status quo out of pure cowardice
Democrats should be republicans is not really good for winning elections i think
"Dems should cave on the only policies they have that differentiate them from Republicans" is such wild take
I told him directly someone just really needs to dunk his head in a toilet sometime and I stand by this
Rich coming from a guy who’s into Hindutva and indirectly admitted to having an “Asian fetish”
Like Yglesias, this stupid motherfucker is just intentionally trying to steer the Democrats toward fascism
Praying for a day when Matty stops being useful and the knives turn on Mr Sensible Opinions
It's also not illegal to enter the US anyway you can if you're claiming asylum > "There’s no way to ask for a visa in advance for the purpose of seeking asylum,” says Byrne. “You just have to show up.” www.rescue.org/article/it-l...
Meaning if congress really wanted to stop “illegal” immigration, putting facilities to hear asylum cases at regular border crossings. There would be no need to cross undetected. Right?
Depends on whom one is running from, no?
As in, that wouldn’t work if they are being persecuted by Mexican (or Canadian) government or police, who also staff border crossings?
The cartels have a heavy presence in border cities. Physically getting to an official port can be extremely dangerous, especially when the U.S. is doing any kind of metering (which both Trump and Biden have done).
The UN standard is that an asylum seeker can cross anywhere and shouldn’t be prosecuted for that.
No argument on that point. I’m just saying they should ALSO make it as easy as possible in as many cases as possible.
Yeah, it should always be a “yes and” situation. Just letting them fly in would be best. Bypass all the mortal danger of the journey and disrupt the cartel economy that preys on them. The average price of the journey is about $10,000 per person these days.
And that’s a corollary to my initial point: process asylum claims at another type of port of entry, airports. 👍
Yes exactly: “yes and”
Yeah I don’t know much about metering, but seem like a different mechanism with the same lesson: if you want to reduce undocumented crossings, eliminate metering where asylum facilities already exist.
*they would put
I’m not sure if you’re joking/trolling, but under US asylum law, you can only ask for asylum when you’re in the US. If you’re asking for “asylum” outside of the US, then you’re a refugee.
I don't want to speak for him, but I assumed he meant more offices inside the US and near the border to process asylum applicants
Ya I’m not an immigration expert, but basically this. At ports of entry on the US side.
Labor! We could throw them under the bus too. That would truly make us indistinguishable from the center right that Mitt Romney led to victory in 2008.
When Republicans move center and admit they're Nazis.
I mean - just completely compromise your morals and Nazi up. Easy right.
"Give up your values" is akin to "stop struggling, just lie back and enjoy it". No frigging way.
The only thing dems need to do is stop letting Rs define those terms/issues, i.e. the border issue exists because we're the #1 consumer of illicit drugs... AND the #1 supplier of weapons to the cartels. Remember the Contra/cocaine years. That was us. Our government. Over $1T on WoD is the real FWA.
And who the fuck is that little twit?
Basically all three of those points boil down to pretending discrimination doesn’t exist and shouldn’t be addressed and white Americans are the “real” victims.
Okay but if we do all that *then* can we tax the rich to pay for universal healthcare? "Lol absolutely not."
Respectfully, someone needs to win the majority of voters in the middle. I would argue that it’s worth it to give a little to get a lot more.
The problem is that you would be running on *their* framing of the issue. It’s not debating about what DEI actually is, it’s accepting the right-wing distortion of what it is and then campaigning on that. Same with “defund the police”, and “asylum seekers are criminals”. 1/2
Democratic candidates can never win in a debate where the starting points are based on MAGA talking points.
Can't win by being the light beer version of your opponent. But preserving the current positions as shibboleths for Democrats is a loser. The progressive-centrist tension needs to dissolve orthogonal syntheses on these "cultural" issues to ground where the broader coalition is comfortable.
Okay, and you don’t think folding on Black people would lose them considerably more voters than it would gain??
The problem here isn’t (just) an ethical problem, it’s a tactical one. Say you drop DEI (whatever the fuck THAT looks like). What makes you think anyone left of Thatcher would vote for a dem on this platform??
If they took a hard tack and were like “actually fuck the trannies,” I wouldn’t vote for them! No amount of “but the other guy!” would move my needle here. You dropped me and my comrades, to what end would I ever vote for you again?
Who is Noah Smith and why are their opinions so terrible?
“Let’s move to the right of the center we’ve been circling for a while now.” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I thought this was satire. We need a word for deliberately ignorant and malicious people.
Only a white man can say “let’s just go back to not being racist”
I'm white and totally agree.The rules didn't allow work for me, but with maga rules we're just going back to the very ugly days of racial abuse and disparity, and look how well our freedoms are holding out.Damn good reasons for fighting for rights.It just went a little too far.better than now tho!
I have no idea what rules would stop you from working. I’m going to be charitable and assume I’m misunderstanding whatever it is you’re trying to say
Uhhh I was passed over for jobs I was qualified for to allow minorities a chance to apply/be hired first.I didn't hate minorities for that because I had seen discrimination keep minorities who were also qualified get passed over for whites who weren't qualified.ok daniel?
Dunno mate, what made you think you were “passed over”? And not that they were also equally or more qualified? This is the sort of pernicious thinking that gets us to the point where we assume all minorities jobs are “given” and not equally earned
You're an ass, but I'll clarify for you. I was hired later. Within a week. When quotas were met. NECESSARY quotas because of bigots.
Maybe you shouldn't call a Black person an ass when you are talking as if prior to Nov 5th racism was solved. Your use of quotas makes me think you are part of the problem and not the solution. How about listening instead of centering yourself for a change.
And ass was for daniel
Aight mate, good night.
Good night
I was more than happy to accommodate quotas. I do apologize if you thought I was calling out anyone of color. I'm only calling out bigots and have fought for equality since the 60's. Racism is the problem and blind hate for people who are different. Fed by current administration.
Story makes no sense mate. If there was a quota but also more jobs than the quota how were you passed over? Seems like you just got a job? Along with some brown people you assumed must have only got their jobs because they were brown.
Lots of qualified people don’t get the job. Only white men think they are somehow the ones who deserved it over everyone else. You can work hard and be qualified and someone may have been way better than you in ways you don’t know. Of course you’d assume it’s only because of race.
Yeah, I’m really curious about the conclusive evidence this person has that says they were the best candidate but didn’t get the job solely on skin color. Sounds… fictional
Usually is, or it’s a way of helping with the rejection. It’s hard and we always reach for some explanation that makes us feel better 🤷🏾♂️
Sounds… familiar! Some people have a tendency to think people have to be MORE qualified than them to get the job, not just like, you may interview badly or some other small thing that really makes a difference in the end.
I have 150 FTE on my team and I can guarantee you quota hiring has never been discussed. We hire on merit and are a huge proponent of DEI programs. Productivity and retention are crazy good
Employers discussed quota hiring. You're such cute hyenas.
So because some employer has discussed quota hiring you were specifically skipped over based solely on race? Again, please provide that proof
No they didn’t that’s a flat out lie. Maybe you’re not as great as you think you are.
I hesitate to respond to those just wanting to fight, but I ran into this post of yours. Beth, I am not a male, and when I was young employers would discuss quotas. I accepted DEI although not called that then. I didn't assume I was better because of color. I simply understood bigotry & hated it.
Absolute asinine take.
psst. you have the worldview of a racist.
Also, not for nothing, wtaf does Smith think asylum law is? "Illegally crossing to claim asylum" is a contradiction in terms.
Big Ben Tre, “It became necessary to destroy the town to save it...” vibe.
"illegally crossing the border to request asylum is bad" For 10 points, what does asylum mean? (It does not in fact just mean migrant)
Guys listen, we have a shot at winning if we just give up on everything
good time to start using alt text then since disabled people are very much “DEI”
None of these things are going to win them votes with the voters that cry about these things. They will never vote for them. Dems need to rally the voters that stayed home. Or find their own billionaire that's willing to commit crimes to win an election. 🤦🏿♀️
We just have to admit that some animals are simply more equal than others. How hard is that guys??
“Not being racist failed so it’s time to get rid of not being racist and just not be racist” Also, in what world is that something we’re “going back to” when DEI initiatives exist because people were racist, if it failed that means people were still racist, and getting rid of it is so people can be
The only thing the Dems need is for the media to report on them the same as they do on Reps.
I love the idea of “go back to not being racist” as if that was ever a time in America
"The only thing the Democrats should move to the center on is literally everything."
Holy shit what a rancid bad take that also shows *no understanding*. Asylum is LEGAL! "Reasonable" police reform is not even at the far end of what Dems have been proposing. Has no idea what DEI does, just propaganda. Then just tacks on "oh and let's abandon human rights whole we're at it.
gonna go against the grain on this one. During the election, immigration, trans rights, Trump ran on. Dems lost because we ran on trans rights, immigration, and issues that did not resonate with the masses. rights are important. To win, we have to take care of trans but not be in your face with it.
No political system that shoves people into a corner to wait quietly until a “better time” is worth having. Centrists don’t choose a side and they pander to comfortable middle white folks who want everyone to get along. Since our country is breaking, I want better for everyone.
Well said.
Well, if you want to never win an election again. This is the way to do it.
Can't the Dems just lie, and then do whatever the hell they want? Isn't that what Trump has taught?
🤔 Right... 🇺🇸 Sometimes need to cave.
Went to take a peek at OOP’s post in the Bad Place and yuck! I forgot how gross that place is. Also, if we suddenly start to see more support for these center right viewpoints, in no way shape or form will I believe it’s not astroturfing from that weird centrist dem think tank.
"Prepubescent medical transition"? WTAF are these people on about? You literally CANNOT BLOCK PUBERTY UNLESS YOU ARE IN PUBERTY, THEREFORE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MEDICAL TRANSITION BEFORE PUBERTY, YOU ABSOLUTE MORONS, YOU F**KING IDIOTS, YOU STUPID PIECES OF SHIT
It's all reactionary Andy issues that right-wing media has gotten people terrified and paranoid about over the past 15 yrs
Also puberty blockers are reversible! Once you stop taking them, puberty starts up again. Their use can lead to LESS need for surgery since it stops secondary growth characteristics. Jfc these people enrage me
thank you!
So, just run as Republicans. Gotcha, gotcha
1. Wish someone would explain how DEI is different from “not being racist”. 2. Has the Democratic Party ever asked for anything beyond policing reform? 3. Does he actually understand how asylum works?
People need to grasp the fact that: Yes, the American populace is mostly right-wing. But that does not mean it's the job of Democrats to magically mind-control people nor their job to cater to that. It's our job, the leftists and progressives, to convince our fellow Americans to not be right-wing.
well,I'm only surprised they didn't include Climate Change and Abortion and Gaza
IOW, just cave on civil rights for all. No biggie.
[infamous far-right account]: time for my wheelhouse, giving heartfelt advice to Democrats
Big “if AIDS is so bad in Africa why don’t the women there just stop having sex” energy. This is an idiot with a child’s sense of the world.
We need to become Republicans to defeat the Republicans
“The only thing Dems need to do is exactly what they just did which resulted in the only time Donald Trump has ever won the popular vote”
No no, that wasn't actually leaning right, the DNC capitulated to the far left on literally everything (Also if you bring up any proof I will immediately move the goal posts) so now we have to just be MORE Republican lite! -Average Lib Argument when you say that Kamala didn't run a perfect campaign
This is such a common occurrence that when I read it I thought, 'Jesus Christ it's another one' and then I got to the end.
I would, however, like to apologize. The orange is entirely my fault because I was selfish and intransigent for expecting a candidate whose policies I didn't find morally repugnant and not voting for her anyway. I promise, in future, to vote for whatever vile piece of shit they offer up /s
No no, it's my bad, I should have spent the billions of dollars in campaign funds I received on getting Kamala elected. Even if I voted for harm reduction in a blue state, it's definitely my fault for not embracing genocide with open arms. I'll be less selfish next time :(
My block button gets very liberal (hah) use by me, I'm very used to the arguments
I feel you. I don't even bother trying to talk to them anymore
you see, a left-wing position on policing (etc) is any position that the far-right criticizes as left-wing
it’s funny because they expose the right wing on the immigration issue with that bipartisan border bill and it didn’t fucking matter
that should have been the lesson: by accepting their framing on issues, you will never be running on your actual positions, you will only ever be running on what they think your positions are
The border bill still allowed 3-5k per day illegal immigrants to cross and was granting amnesty to the ones already here.. Total scam!! Trump exposed Biden who said Congress had to address the border..
It’s not that Kamala wasn’t perfect. It’s that people on the left stared in the eyes of Bibi’s friend the genocidal fascist, pedophile, rapist, and criminal felon then went “But I don’t like the black woman so I won’t vote for her.”
While I opted for harm reduction with my vote, when the reduction was a lot of compromise with the right the harm reduction argument starts to feel hollow. At some point harm reduction cannot be your major platform point, especially after making no progress to address the issues that got us here
Major? It was enough of a reason for me. I don’t need to be begged to give a shit about marginalized people. I’m happy to address the issues but now we have a fascist in the White House because people scoffed at harm reduction.
A lot of people felt that the issues were explicitly being swept under the rug. People made their stances known and the DNC decided to say that they didn't need their votes to win. They were wrong. People didn't scoff at harm reduction, they said the harm wasn't being reasonably reduced.
They stared a pedophile, rapist, genodical fascist in the face and said “it’s not good enough to vote against this.” Fuck them and you for making excuses for their decision to help harm marginalized people because they were mad at a a black lady they didn’t think was good enough. Bye.
they believe in nothing except bowing to some constantly shifting "center" that's rendered meaningless by the right's ever-increasing extremism
A republican one
The dems listen to these slopbrains and then lose, rinse repeat lol. What a nightmare
It would be the MAGA kind of victory
Feverishly centrist Dems operate under a belief that the constant concessions to gain and hold power are justified because that's the only way to get what you want. The trick is, you have to have something you want.
The thing that melts my mind about these kinds of posts is that the entire point of democracy is having a choice. If both parties agree on 80% of stuff then what is the difference between that and a single party dictatorship Shows how little they actually value democracy
"all Democrats need to do to win is just be Republicans" is NOT the bumper sticker we need right now
Why Democrats lose
"The Dems should have Liz Cheneyed harder" is um quite the take
Fuck these losers
They are super duper dumb. They are just so OBVIOUS about it. As usual, some set of rich people who are very rightwing are saying they will pour money over politicians so they game the system, and cannot lose either way. Here comes the groupthink. Anyone sucked in here is a huge chump.
Aren't they already there Gavin Newsom caved yesterday... The conversion is now complete. Today's Dems are yesterday's Reagan Republicans, or in simpler, more accurate Engish, Nazi sympathisers.
“To seek asylum in the United States, you can apply to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) if you are in the U.S. or at a port of entry”. Asylum seekers aren’t illegally here it’s how one applies for asylum.
The asylum thing is so insane. The reasonable centrist position of violating signed treaties.
The fix on the asylum issue, even if you think that lots of people are gaming the system, is hiring a ton of administrative judges to whittle down the backlog of cases. Democrats proposed a bill that did just that; Republicans largely were not interested.
That bill was effectively a ban on asylum. It was an enthusiastic embrace of the exact capitulation Noah is advocating for.
They've (Rep) been introduced to many bills that they rejected. They're not interested in fixing the problem. Just using it as dog whistles. To feed their base of racist.
So it seems Democrats gained no political advantage from supporting the white nationalist border bill. Might be a lesson for them in there somewhere.
It's not always about political advantage. 😶 Dear God.
Someone should tell that to Democratic Party leaders.
Yes it was not a good bill from the standpoint of Democratic stakeholders, with nothing for the Dreamers. It matters little what Dems do on immigration; there will always be a migrant caravan somewhere, and Fox is sure to put images of the teeming masses on blast (but never closeups of actual humans
They actually were accused of using old footage and it wasn't even in this region. I can't remember the specifics. But someone on TT made a video about it. I should have saved it, darn it.
This is my pet peeve. The so-called border problem would be solved by devoting enough resources to process claims. But they never do. Instead they’re firing immigration judges. Gives away the game which is scapegoating brown people.
Mine too. I’ve been to the border and watched trials. It would absolutely be solved with more resources. I think they like throwing this as red meat to the base.
It’s been this way for decades. It’s nothing new. Congress just never wants to devote enough $ to solve the problem. Also many immigrants overstay visas after arriving at an airport but you never hear about that because it’s not “hordes of brown people coming to get you.”
It’s just a modified version of their “Black men coming to pillage and rape White women” fear mongering. It’s worked to unify their racist base since Black people got the right to vote so why stop now, right?
A longer-term solution would be to push the (true) narrative that immigration, both legal and "illegal," is a big part of what makes America strong
Neither they nor their voters have any interest in hiding the game at this point, I think.
Why draw up a battle plan for the last one Ds lost? It is Social Security and Medicare and basic services (looking at you Alabama facing massive hospital closures). Now go scare the bejesus out of America. Start with field hearings in every state.
Seems like she wants Democrats to stop supporting every ideal that America is supposed to stand for
These chuckleheads really just don't understand what the purpose and motivation for asylum seeking is, do they?
First they came.....and I said Nope!, because I learned from the original. 🫡
“Just don’t be a racist” had worked so well in history to give people equality with white men 🙄
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DEI didn't even "fail", it was killed. There's an enormous difference.
"Popularism!" should be the new punchline, replacing "The Aristocrats!".
Ah yes, gotta return to that time when we weren't racist.
Noah "screaming the N-word in Karaoke" Smith has strong opinions about not being racist.
The phrasing is so revealing, he's fully right wing. Having a DEI office that reminds people once a year to not say the n word in the office is "racist".
Fucking liberals. Every time.
*Trump loses by 4.5% in 2020* Republicans: “we did nothing wrong, the election was stolen, we should double down on every divisive issue again in 2024” *Trump wins by 1.5% in 2024* Democrats: “we did everything wrong, we are never going to win another election ever again unless we move right”
He’s also so wrong on policy at each point
Also lmao “dei is bad let’s just go back to just not being racist” lmao he’s such a racist weeb
The reason the democrats lost isn’t because they need to move to the center, it’s BECAUSE they moved to the center. Millions of young and working class voters stayed home because they couldn’t see a difference between two parties cuddling with corporations hanging with Liz Cheney.
There’s already a party with those priorities: the Republican Party. Poverty drives crime, not lack of police. DEI was intended to level the field a bit after 400 years of extreme racial economic repression, and creates value in organizations that embrace it. /1
2/ Crossing borders to seek asylum is legal (this your Republicans would like to change). And as far as ideology goes, you’ve embraced crime ideology, and DEI ideology—why draw the line at gender ideology?
These are the center-rights the Dems that voted to censure Al Green and Hakeem are trying to win over. This is exactly why their mentality is dangerous and an obviously intentional way to water down the progressive demands of their voting base.
Basically “Stop holding bigots accountable”.
As if spending 50 years since Carter moving to the right has done a damn thing to help Democrats. Maybe try going back to FDR and the real Democracy base. Pretty sad when Eisenhower was more left than any modern Democrat
Democratic base. Fuckin autocorrect
"Just go back to not being racist." JFC.
Fun to watch a supposed moderate uncritically accept the totality inaccurate right wing framing that DEI(A) was only or even primarily a race thing
Why do people give this idiot oxygen by reacting? Not worth my time
Worth noting, all of those suppositions are false.
During the 4 years of the Biden Administration, money was poured into local policing and crime rates fell after the COVID spike.
Of course "not being racist" is the definition of DEI.
fwiw, that guy is an idiot
Me just reading this like "what do they mean BACK to not being racist? When was that a thing?" Truly spoken with the confidence of a sheltered white person.
We just aren't taught so much of our history. It is alarming. I was never taught about the Tulsa Massacre in school and I supposedly had some of the best teachers/curriculum at the time. I learned about this horror from Watchmen and then searching for it. And that is just one of many things.
It would literally give you 100% of the Sanders 2016 platform
This reads like many more comments came along prescribing what right wing policies dems 'need' to adopt and the noah person just kept agreeing with them.
Dems have already moved too far right on those issues. Ask Harris how that worked out
Noah smith can get fucked
I suspect she can't, hence why she is such a squeaky ass neo-fascist who needs to blame those less fortunate for it. I mean how can she get laid if you're letting in good looking asylum seekers?
So she wants them to be republicans?
Monty Python Spanish Inquisition asses.
Yeah just keep loosing elections cus that been great for all the above. Gender identity crushed them in this election. Guess what your never gonna convince people That don’t wanna be convinced that they need to Bend to your beliefs. Just like you’re not gonna believe abortion is wrong.
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WTF is “prepubescent medical transition”?
Does…. Does this person think the republicans are anywhere close to center?
I don't think her message is wrong but her messaging and the ultra Lefty messaging is always terrible. Always trying to cram your ideaology down the centers throats. Just as bad as the christian fundamentalist on the ultra Right.
Denying asylum to people who enter illegally is literally a violation of human rights.
Yes and asylum is built for this very purpose, most have to enter illegally bc there are no legal pathways for people fleeing persecution
”if you want to apply for asylum from a government that is opressing you you need to apply for a visa from that government to come over here. if they grant you a visa, well clearly they aren’t opressing you”
Hmm, it's almost like these folks are shitdemons who enjoy violating human rights.
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Yes, he did. Every president has. The current problem is that violating human rights is this regime's first, if not only, priority.
Which is why every leftist who didn't vote for Harris is on my eternal shit list, because Trump winning *obviously* meant a regime where violating human rights is the first, if not only, priority.
crossing the border anywhere and asking for asylum *is* a legal way to apply for asylum
Sparing what's left of the social safety net is the only thing that comes to mind. And only because he didn't include it. Which also isn't to say that's a good thing, because if that's really all he (or anyone else) cares about, it's both indefensible and a perfect example of "fuck you, I got mine"
“Why can’t Democrats understand that it doesn’t matter when people I don’t care about are subjected to violence and deprivation? Clearly the answer is simply compromise on all of their core commitments to their base constituents.”
The policing bit is wild. Dems ran a fucking cop
He's so fucking dumb because there is no prepubescent medical transition. The treatment starts after the onset of puberty (Tanner 2 normally).
These people can absolutely fuck right off.
So… basic “humanity”. He’s saying the Dems need to give up on the general idea of positive human engagement.
DEI didn't "fail", it was purposefully destroyed. Strange that this person wants to go back to "not being racist" but believes more policing is going to fix that. Even more strange that this person wants to talk about racism and then gatekeeps asylum seeking. Batshit.
Noahpinion. Yeah, that would be better. 😓
>DEI didn't "fail", it was purposefully destroyed It wasn't even destroyed. Everyone just started calling it something else to avoid backlash.
Those are all things they already caved on too / FFS !
"the only thing dems need to cave on are their entire platform, please support my shitty politics" fixed their tweet
Asylum? Really?!
Identity politics without class politics is a losing game. Addressing economic inequality is the only way to uplift the most vulnerable AND win elections.
All we have to do is become hateful and stupid like republicans?
It cannot be illegal to cross a border to request asylum when you need to be in the country to request it.
"All Dems have to do is cave to the right on fascism." They should probably nominate Trump for 2028 - they're bound to win that way.
Crossing borders without permission is an essential part of claiming asylum and how that system is supposed to work. (Also, go BACK to not being racist?)
Noah wants us all to be Nazis.
The stuff that makes snowflakes grasp for alternative facts….
The only thing Dems need to cave on is defending people that make me uncomfortable.
Did something break in this guy's brain? His takes seem to have gotten dramatically worse over time...
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His unknown unknowns spread wide.
Having an editor and working for a publication with social media rules was very good for his credibility; being a Substack guy and freewheeling poster has been the opposite
I too, remember the old days where he’d actually introduce people to books (like Studwell’s “How Asia Works”) and give attention to ideas unfamiliar to most, like export promotion. Sad, right?
He seems to have a poor constitution for going it alone and stewing in the brain juices of the activist venture capital crew of the Bay Area, rather than being at an institution like Bloomberg.
Yes, inceldom, hanging out with sf nazis, and the pandemic. He is lazy and emotionally incompetent, and has literally spent like five years getting stupider.
I have yet to see ONE peer reviewed scientific study to show that policing reduces crime. It's a fairy tale. Always was.
He never really had one to begin with tbh
settle down Francis...
Twitter broke all these guys brains and unfortunately they're going to take down the establishment Democrats with them because their staffers and consultants and strategists and pollsters listen to them. They don't listen to the base at all.
That dude's handle is a play on "No Opinion" but he should really change it to "No Values" Because either he doesn't have any, or he has right-wing values that he doesn't want to admit to
"Right-wing values" most of the country shares, which means they win elections.
I don't believe that, but even if it's the case, being popular does not make something correct.
I can't imagine why anyone is responding to this disingenue--Maku 'thinks' most Americans are shitbag conservatives and that's demonstrably false, but that sure isn't stopping him pulling such suppositions from his apparently-cavernous-and-expansive ass.
"I don't believe that!" "But if I did, I still wouldn't accept it!" Commies. 🙄
Soooo.....become everything evil and awful and we win???? Win what, exactly?
I like how Harris followed this advice and didn’t mention anything about DEI, defunding police, and ran on a right wing border bill, but people think it’s the reason she lost. She had more favorability when she was just calling republicans weird.
These are all uninformed "dumb guy" opinions, too. "Policing reduces crime by a lot," in an era of sheriff's departments having been mobbed up for decades? "We don't need inclusion, just 'not being racist'"! Whatever that means 🙄 And rejecting asylum law as it is for the new xenophobia!
Does this dipshit not realize that you cannot legally request asylum *until* you're in the country? It's like playing freeze tag, you have to be touching base.
honestly the dems could really save a lot of time and effort by just disbanding the party entirely and becoming rebuplicans in name as well. if there's no actual intention to do things differently, the parties might as well be football teams
EJECT THESE FOOLS FROM THE PARTY
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The "Okay, maybe one more" line is killing me here 😓😥👀💀 Doesn't he realize that after he capitulates to the fascists on this list, it's going to be "maybe one more…" until the Nazis are in complete control?
…Of course I'm also wondering when he thinks the magical 'non racist' time occurred???
So we’re supposed to become republicans…?
Maybe add taxes, entitlements and abortion rights too. In fact Democrats should just agree with Republicans on everything.
‘The only thing we need to do to beat Republicans is have all the same policies and govern the same way’
rob fuckin george good god
They already have the brand they want. Why try to make a softer brand? I will never understand the capitulation to the destruction of other humans.
Most Dem politicians are already to the right of the vague stance on policing proposed here lmao
What how are you against both 'self-ID' while also being against the most effective way to pass?
“Illegally crossing the border to request asylum” OMG STFU you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I think he’s suggesting we focus on a comprehensive redistribution of the world’s wealth and the indiscriminate execution of wealthy elites.
"Gender ideology" is the 2020s incarnation of "the gay agenda"
"If Democrats were Republicansthey would have won the election."
To everyone saying it's just that dipshit it's not. People Dems listen to are saying the same, James Carville being the current observer. Granted The Bulwark isn't lefty, but they're calling for it too. The idea is the same, follow the Overton window to the right rather than trying to pull it left.
Republicans destroyed their party and now need a new party.
I will look for these people on the field.
So he's saying this despite the Dems adopting a hard stance on immigration and rejecting anything but moderate police reforms while increasing funding. Meanwhile Democrats' DEI "policy" was just "not getting in its way." I think the pundits are the ones that need to learn Twitter isn't real life.
Anyone who says “We just need to cave over and over on basic human rights, and then we’ll be fine” should be thoroughly disregarded and/or launched into the sun
Men who can’t get laid.
Policing does not reduce crime Police reform does not work, we have been doing it for literal decades and police murders of civilians have only increased over time Defunding the police, prison + military industrial complex should not be a radical position atp
I don't disagree with you about police sucking, but what police reform have we actually had in this country that isn't strictly performative and surface-level?
I’m thinking specifically about Resmaa Menakem who’s a trauma specialist, training police in Minneapolis. I read his book My Grandmother’s Hands where he shared a lot of the techniques he used, and they go DEEP… like exploring intergenerational trauma and the relationship to racism.
Serious question -- what serious police reform has happened? I haven't seen any. We should absolutely stop police departments from accepting former military gear that they feel the need to justify. But what police department has actually been defunded?
See my other comment about Resmaa Menakem in Minneapolis
This is such a joke. "You see... the only thing we need to do is throw marginalized people under the bus... then we'll be cool. Oh and arrest homeless people... that goes without saying tho right?.. Right?" 🤮
what is he talking about. democrats are currently to the right of 'reasonable police reform'
To place DEI, the right-wing boogeyman that still has positive approval in polls, as the #1 sacrificial lamb really gives the game away! He's neither savvy nor popularity, he's just a reactionary weirdo!
Username should give us a good idea of how many good opinions this useless doorknob has
Sorry, "go back" to not being racist? when was this?
Expanding Medicaid in red states would be a huge victory.
“Become Republicans” isn’t strategy. It’s surrender.
“Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.” Every. Single. Time. They are brothers-in-arms.
I think they've already tried this and it did not work
Yeah it’s like what do yall think the entire Kamala campaign was, extremism??
My favorite part was when she aligned herself with the Houthis against Israeli genocide
People in the center aren’t looking to fight Republicans as the goal , they are looking to just find the best set of centrist policies. If democrats remain extremist, they will lose again and again
The fact that folks like you don’t want to fight fascist pieces of shit is everything I need to know about you and your nonsense politics. Calling current dems extremist is fucking hilarious you dork
It’s not. You guys have taken the Democratic Party to extreme left to the extent that none of my friends, all of whom were Obama supporters, are supportive of the trans agenda, of extreme DEI and many other woke politics. You can’t win their vote based on this extremism.
It's not saying "become Republicans". It's saying "become mainstream Americans", since most of the country holds these positions on DEI, policing and immigration. And yes, that includes non-whites.
Your profile description of proud centrist is helpful because it lets me know your opinions are dog shit and you stand for nothing.
And your words are helpful because it lets me know your IQ is dog shit which prevents you from understanding what centrism actually is.
Centrism isn't exactly "cool" right now, though. The "center" did not hold in the last election, and many centrist independents actively contributed to the country's damnation. So we cannot ask any person or party to move closer to the center until we've actually FOUND that center once again.
Unfortunately, progressive Democrat voters are probably the LAST people to be blaming centrist independents for our collective woes, since they contributed way MORE to the country's damnation by sitting the election out altogether:
(Also, if anyone wants to find the center again, or understand what proper centrism even is, I recommend watching "Cobra Kai" on Netflix. Not joking, it explains it better than I could.)
I don’t think they should back down defending things, but I do think that dems need to focus HARD on the economy and Trump’s embarrassing performance over the next two and four years. Beat him with that over and over again. The economy should be the overwhelming center of their campaigns.
What fresh hell is this? “Be more like Republicans and then you might win?” Just make sure you throw all your loved ones, friends and marginalized communities under the bus first. 🤬🤬🤬Holy hell NO
This is what happens when you have no core values other than pop punditry.
“Time to go back to just not being racist”.. WHAT lmao. What fucking fantasy world do these ppl live in because it sounds nicer there.
Noah Smith is a piece of shit.
Wrong facts lead to wrong conclusions. DEI has been a success. It will be a greater success the more we commit to it. Policing doesn't reduce crime; it creates it. Acts that would not even be noticed are criminalized when police are present. The nation must follow the law when people seek asylum.