Two disturbed guys rent trucks and commit public acts of violence to deliver explicit ideological messages: one gets the scare story about who radicalized him, the other gets a sympathetic, nonpolitical account of his trauma
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Clearly all these people are terrorists that hate freedom! /s
jan 4, 2025, 9:26 pm • 0 0 • view
One white, one, ummmm, not?
jan 4, 2025, 8:37 pm • 1 0 • view
Gee, I wonder what may have been different about them.
jan 5, 2025, 2:32 am • 5 0 • view
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jan 5, 2025, 3:01 am • 0 0 • view
One killed people. One only killed himself.
jan 4, 2025, 10:13 pm • 1 0 • view
Sounds about white.
jan 5, 2025, 12:13 am • 0 0 • view
The vegas guy's manifesto was a lot scarier btw
jan 4, 2025, 8:27 pm • 6 1 • view
Yep!
jan 4, 2025, 8:27 pm • 0 0 • view
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jan 4, 2025, 8:28 pm • 0 0 • view
Goes to show.
jan 4, 2025, 8:26 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah. One fought terror groups. One joined a terror group.
jan 4, 2025, 9:28 pm • 0 0 • view
They pretty clearly both joined terror groups. The other one's just not as well-defined as ISIS.
jan 4, 2025, 9:34 pm • 17 0 • view
He literally called for a terrorist campaign in DC and blew himself up. Also both were vets and served in Afghanistan
jan 4, 2025, 9:37 pm • 34 0 • view
You might want to read what the guy wrote..
jan 4, 2025, 9:37 pm • 11 0 • view
Actually, they both joined the same terror group.
jan 4, 2025, 9:49 pm • 9 0 • view
Thing is, both of these statements can apply to both mean equally
jan 5, 2025, 5:07 am • 1 0 • view
That’s your take on the guy who called for a “purge” of Democrats? Sheesh.
jan 4, 2025, 9:41 pm • 20 0 • view
That's my take on why on the surface the reactions are different by many to the two cases. I didn't say I was pro either act of terror. A question was asked, an answer was given.
jan 4, 2025, 9:56 pm • 0 0 • view
That’s an excuse for the disparity in coverage, not an explanation. It’s quite obvious that both men were radicalized by extremist ideology. If the media create a different narrative for the brown Muslim than the white Xian, it’s because the media are biased not because the cases actually differ.
jan 4, 2025, 10:05 pm • 8 0 • view
Media analysis is one thing, public reception is another. Media narrative does drive the second, but not exclusively. Also, body count likely playing a role in both media coverage and positioning.
jan 4, 2025, 10:07 pm • 0 0 • view
I have a crazy idea that newspapers should investigate a little beyond the surface, rather than just regurgitate back to us what we can already see on the surface.
jan 5, 2025, 4:12 am • 2 0 • view
Fair enough but newsrooms have been devastated and the industry lacks the attention to detail it used to have (not that it was ever perfect)
jan 5, 2025, 12:56 pm • 0 0 • view
the New York Times has the resources to do better
jan 5, 2025, 2:01 pm • 0 0 • view
Somehow it doesn't count as 'scary' if a white guy kills people.
jan 4, 2025, 7:58 pm • 4 0 • view
in this case the white guy in Vegas only killed himself, so i think a lot of people are interpreting it more like a particularly flashy act of self-immolation than a terrorist attack but i have no idea if that was intentional on his part, or if we just got lucky on the timing
jan 4, 2025, 8:04 pm • 5 0 • view
True it can be seen that way but he intentionally created a life-threatening situation. So I don’t think it’s the whole explanation. His views, and the views of many of these shooters and potential bombers are a *real threat.* ISIS isn’t going to get take over the USA. But these people could!
jan 4, 2025, 8:27 pm • 3 0 • view
I can’t qWhite out my finger on why these two people were treated differently. 🤔
jan 4, 2025, 7:47 pm • 3 0 • view
One is considered a terrorist attack (perpetrator of Arab descent); the other one is considered a suicide (perpetrator white).🙄😒
jan 4, 2025, 7:58 pm • 0 0 • view
Seems relevant though that one killed a bunch of other people and the other didn't
jan 4, 2025, 8:16 pm • 29 1 • view
He’s the bigger threat though. We’re going to have some level of Islamist terrorism in this country, probably indefinitely. But the real threat is people like Livelsberger, whose manifestos channel MAGA, represent the lion’s share of terrorism in the country, and could morph into something worse.
jan 4, 2025, 9:32 pm • 4 2 • view
not fucking really
jan 4, 2025, 8:21 pm • 2 0 • view
MAGA started the Civil War, lost it decisively, then spent 160 years whining like bitches about it. Meanwhile making life miserable for as many people as possible. You don’t think this MAGA shit started with Trump do you?
jan 5, 2025, 3:43 am • 0 0 • view
If that "manifesto" is real, he called it a VBIED. Seems to imply an intent to do harm. And he injured 6. He just wasn't very effective
jan 4, 2025, 8:22 pm • 17 0 • view
Extremely ineffective, which is odd considering he had a ~7000 lb vehicle and a bunch of explosives and also was a special forces soldier
jan 4, 2025, 8:23 pm • 6 0 • view
Did he have any explosives training? Special forces, and all military, are very... specialized.
jan 5, 2025, 5:30 pm • 1 0 • view
IDK. Green Berets are specialists in training local forces, including in guerilla methods. But that doesn't mean bomb maker necessarily
jan 5, 2025, 5:35 pm • 1 0 • view
It almost feels like the bomb was an afterthought. Like he had resolved to kill himself in a cybertruck in front of the Trump hotel, but on the way down realized that alone probably wouldn't get his message out. So he whipped up the quickest, easiest bomb he could with a bunch of off-the-shelf buys.
jan 5, 2025, 6:27 pm • 4 0 • view
Special forces boasting comes up empty again
jan 4, 2025, 8:24 pm • 21 0 • view
If the manifesto is real, he didn’t want to harm anyone directly—he did want to start a pogram of Democrats however.
jan 4, 2025, 9:25 pm • 3 3 • view
“Former green beret shot by terrorist before his Cybertruck was set ablaze”
jan 4, 2025, 7:45 pm • 30 0 • view
I imagine the PR Firm he has on retainer was busy that day.
jan 5, 2025, 3:33 am • 2 0 • view
As long as the terrorist could have once delivered your paper or played h.s. football as a child( in your all White subdivision) his actions are misunderstood, hardly killed anyone, should have received Better Help®️.
jan 4, 2025, 7:55 pm • 8 0 • view
Are you saying a black guy would have blown up a Bentley?
jan 4, 2025, 8:36 pm • 0 0 • view
Don’t even have to wonder which one is WHITE
jan 4, 2025, 8:09 pm • 1 0 • view
You nailed this.
jan 4, 2025, 7:45 pm • 0 0 • view
No mention of eliminating democrats, shutting down roads, wtaf?
jan 4, 2025, 10:46 pm • 0 0 • view
Oh the cybertruck exploded, adding insult to injury, I suppose. Poor guy can’t catch a break
jan 4, 2025, 8:39 pm • 1 0 • view
Sounds about white
jan 4, 2025, 8:15 pm • 1 0 • view
Very insightful. Trauma had to have played a role in both, and since wars have become perpetual, we need desperately to understand the impact of PTSD on our soldiers and, consequently, society.
jan 5, 2025, 1:10 am • 0 0 • view
Both ex-military, both seemingly traumatized or otherwise harmed by service in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Maybe the headlines should be about the damage we have done to our troops and our failure to help them sufficiently post-war.
jan 4, 2025, 10:33 pm • 12 0 • view
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jan 5, 2025, 5:27 am • 1 0 • view
Feels like the main differences between ISIS and MAGA is that one has a clear ideology and the other has a lot of access to capital.
jan 6, 2025, 9:29 pm • 1 0 • view
If you were expecting honesty from our media, you haven’t been paying attention since 2015. Trump sells newspapers. That’s all you need to know.
jan 6, 2025, 2:05 am • 0 0 • view
White dudes are considered "boys who just needed help" even when they're well past 35 year old.
jan 4, 2025, 7:56 pm • 19 0 • view
From my just posted rant… bsky.app/profile/ruth...
jan 4, 2025, 7:50 pm • 39 4 • view
One terrorist was radicalized by ISIS, the other by Fox News, Donald Trump, & Vladamir Putin.
jan 4, 2025, 8:41 pm • 1 1 • view
Both ex-military too.
jan 4, 2025, 8:05 pm • 1 0 • view
Nearly a year ago Aaron Bushnell self immolated because of the violence in Gaza and didn't get half the interest that Livelsberger has gotten already.
jan 4, 2025, 8:28 pm • 5 1 • view
Yeah, the double standard is bs. The Cybertruck guy was calling for purges.
jan 4, 2025, 8:08 pm • 5 0 • view
Amen. Remind me: Which one was black and Muslim and which one was white and Christian?
jan 4, 2025, 7:47 pm • 3 1 • view
Maybe because the one guy only killed himself while the other guy murdered a bunch of innocent people? Seems important.
jan 4, 2025, 8:12 pm • 2 0 • view
The Guardian did almost the same sympathetic headline for the New Orleans attack.
jan 4, 2025, 7:55 pm • 2 0 • view
Both veterans, btw, which the greatest predictor for attacks of this sort, but guess that's only mentioned when you're white and it serves as a mitigating factor and nothing more. Weird.
jan 4, 2025, 8:09 pm • 13 2 • view
One killed as many people as he could in the process, other one just himself. You could make an argument for compassion for number two.
jan 4, 2025, 9:26 pm • 0 0 • view
The one that only killed himself still injured seven people and they only lived because he was incompetent at bomb making. Failing to kill a bunch of people because you're an idiot does not mean you deserve more sympathy.
jan 5, 2025, 5:36 am • 1 0 • view
All that is true. I look at the two cases, and the outcomes, and still see enough difference to explain why they would be treated differently in the press.
jan 5, 2025, 10:45 am • 0 0 • view
It's 100% just the color of their skin. The pattern of white guy killing his entire family before killing himself only to get treated in the exact same sympathetic way as this terrorist who wants to kill every single Democrat still holds.
jan 5, 2025, 5:05 pm • 0 0 • view
All you need is their names to understand those headlines. Pictures will work as well. America is living through cursed times. Let's hope it ends before it self destructs.
jan 4, 2025, 10:09 pm • 0 0 • view
Racism, I forgot. Thanks for the reminder. Clearly the main difference is that one guy was white and the other wasn't. Here I was considering the flag and the acts carried out. If they are downplaying anything, it's the political optics of Vegas because the media is afraid to speak out of turn.
jan 4, 2025, 8:28 pm • 1 0 • view
Hmmm. Could race have anything to do with it?
jan 4, 2025, 9:42 pm • 0 0 • view
We're never going to be a normal country again, are we?
jan 5, 2025, 6:30 am • 0 0 • view
post-columbine levels of recklessness
jan 4, 2025, 9:10 pm • 17 1 • view
It's a kind of unconscious bias that is really pervasive, not just in media but in law enforcement and the justice system. If you see someone "like you" (white, middle class, Christian, etc.) do a bad thing, you seek explanation for "what tragic circumstances forced good man do bad thing".
jan 4, 2025, 7:55 pm • 10 0 • view
If you see someone not like you do bad thing, you are in threat assessment mode. You don't wonder "how could someone like me be bad?!", you wonder "how could I become the next victim". How can I know what other people around me might be equally dangerous.
jan 4, 2025, 8:00 pm • 6 0 • view
Explicit ideological messages? 1. Running down people in New Orleans is fun since I hate everybody because 2nd wife dumped me. 2a. Went on camping road trip with Cybertruck, battery started burning, fireworks ignited, got locked in cab and killed self. 2b. Suicide with fireworks with my Gods.
jan 4, 2025, 9:53 pm • 0 0 • view
it's a sad situation when the Daily Mail paints the less flattering picture of the toxic right wing white guy
jan 4, 2025, 8:04 pm • 2 0 • view
They were both radicalized and no excuses.
jan 4, 2025, 8:31 pm • 1 0 • view
As usual our large media continues to be a joke. I'm gonna put on tinfoil hat and suggest they are pressured from the higher ups to spin things a certain way
jan 4, 2025, 8:41 pm • 0 0 • view
Both Trump supporters.
jan 4, 2025, 8:21 pm • 1 1 • view
Qwhite interesting
jan 4, 2025, 8:38 pm • 1 0 • view
I hate this fucking country and the absolutely diseased state of the media.
jan 5, 2025, 5:32 am • 2 0 • view
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jan 6, 2025, 6:19 pm • 67 9 • view
Both served on the same North Carolina Army base, but one was white. So-there’s that.
jan 6, 2025, 6:21 pm • 2 0 • view
what could account for the difference
jan 4, 2025, 8:28 pm • 0 0 • view
One killed 14 people brandishing an Isis flag and died in a shootout. The other killed himself and set off fireworks. 🤷♂️
jan 4, 2025, 8:08 pm • 6 0 • view
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jan 5, 2025, 1:47 am • 2 0 • view
read the manifesto he wanted to fuck everything up, he was just bad at it
jan 4, 2025, 8:14 pm • 32 0 • view
Read it. I also read that as a green beret he received training on how to kill people. His family confirmed that he knew how to kill lots of people if he chose to. It wasn’t that he was bad at killing lots of people. He didn’t try.
jan 5, 2025, 4:49 am • 0 0 • view
He hurt seven people and his bomb was incompetently made. If he were less of an idiot he would have killed those people.
jan 5, 2025, 5:40 am • 1 0 • view
he wanted to inspire mass killings, and he failed at that
jan 5, 2025, 5:18 am • 0 0 • view
I guess I’m sympathetic to people that commit suicide because I was close to a friend that died by his own hand. They seem tragic to me and it doesn’t surprise me that their thoughts can be very anti-social. But their actions matter to me and I find it significant that the guy didn’t harm anyone.
jan 5, 2025, 5:25 am • 0 0 • view
it’s great that he didn’t succeed in harming anybody but himself, but his manifesto spells out that he hoped to trigger the death of at least 75 million people with his action
jan 5, 2025, 5:27 am • 0 0 • view
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jan 5, 2025, 11:53 am • 0 0 • view
And it’s sad that his delusion was so real to him that he chose to take his own life. Yes, he’s worthy of sympathy.
jan 5, 2025, 5:29 am • 0 0 • view
“died by suicide in an attempt to bring about the death of half a country” is not morally better in my mind than “died in a suicide mission while killing fifteen people and injuring many others” but I guess we disagree on that I am glad that the first attempt did not result in any additional deaths
jan 5, 2025, 5:33 am • 5 0 • view
Of note, the actions of the former person would not even support a charge of attempted murder in most (possibly all) jurisdictions if his plans went awry at the last minute and he survived his suicide attempt. I don’t question your moral judgment, but our laws sees the difference quite clearly
jan 5, 2025, 5:43 am • 0 0 • view
you’re the one who described him as “setting off fireworks,” which is not a description that I think any of the people who were injured by the explosion in his rented car would appreciate (nor does it seem to be accurate)
jan 5, 2025, 5:47 am • 2 0 • view
It’s racism, and the adopted Muslim name-that’s all🤷♂️
jan 4, 2025, 8:14 pm • 0 0 • view
Sounds about white.
jan 5, 2025, 12:40 am • 0 0 • view
Guess which one was white
jan 4, 2025, 7:51 pm • 3 0 • view
One guy killed 15, the other killed only himself. Suicide is more sympathetic.
jan 4, 2025, 8:35 pm • 1 0 • view
Same domestic terrorism. Just a different religion
jan 4, 2025, 11:18 pm • 1 0 • view
so whoever said we were seeing the school-shooterization of terrorism was off the mark instead terrorists are just cops now
jan 4, 2025, 8:41 pm • 1 0 • view
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jan 4, 2025, 7:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Why wasn't cyber truck guy a terrorist? Once you start exploding stuff in a public place with an agenda... sure sounds like terrorism to me.
jan 4, 2025, 9:00 pm • 1 0 • view
jan 4, 2025, 9:14 pm • 2 0 • view
Gee, how are the two men different? What could it be? *ponders*
jan 4, 2025, 9:16 pm • 0 0 • view
It’s gotten to the point where I have a visceral reaction when I see that particular NY Times font in a screenshot.
jan 4, 2025, 8:59 pm • 6 0 • view
"I just work here and repeat the narrative memes we turn into stories. I don't have any power to CHANGE this structure..." -- NYTimes & WaPo editors
jan 6, 2025, 6:23 pm • 0 0 • view
«We can’t have double standards when an attacker is a white MAGA supporter versus when it’s an [African American] man who converted to Islam like Din-Jabbar. I don’t say that just because it’s unfair. But more importantly, it makes us less safe.» deanobeidallah.substack.com/p/vegas-bomb...
jan 4, 2025, 8:26 pm • 8 3 • view
Oh wow, I'm sure there's no sort of economic or social difference between the two--WAIT, WHAT???
jan 4, 2025, 8:06 pm • 1 0 • view
WaPo’s story had a bunch of wistful quotes from his ex-girlfriend lamenting that he was the one that got away
jan 5, 2025, 3:20 am • 1 0 • view
Hmmm gee. Now why could this be? 😒
jan 4, 2025, 10:15 pm • 0 0 • view
What else is new?
jan 4, 2025, 7:47 pm • 0 0 • view
Linking things to Islamic terrorism is like a warm blanket for white people
jan 5, 2025, 12:08 am • 1 0 • view
Racism
jan 4, 2025, 8:27 pm • 0 0 • view
Typical
jan 4, 2025, 8:30 pm • 1 0 • view
What shade the skin?
jan 6, 2025, 9:27 pm • 0 0 • view
jan 4, 2025, 7:46 pm • 229 15 • view
Came here to look for this. Not disappointed.
jan 4, 2025, 7:51 pm • 21 0 • view
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jan 4, 2025, 8:22 pm • 1 0 • view
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jan 5, 2025, 7:11 am • 0 0 • view
Volconologist ffs
jan 4, 2025, 8:22 pm • 3 0 • view
NYT also goes over the top trying to link to ISIS. But if you read the piece, he never attended mosques, showed no interest in religion most of his life (his father's original last name was Young). He fits mass shooter profile not political terrorism. Angry guy who is mentally unsound.
jan 4, 2025, 7:52 pm • 95 1 • view
Yeah they've been banging away on the ISIS thing, doing explainer coverage about the current worldwide status of ISIS, and there seems to be zero evidence that this guy was anything but a deranged person who thought the ISIS brand was cool
jan 4, 2025, 7:58 pm • 81 2 • view
100% While his mass murders should of course be A1 and be deeply reported--for the NYT to leave out the Vegas guys call to use the military to take over DC, remove Dems by any means necessary etc--sounds like a very deliberate choice. And a dishonest one.
jan 4, 2025, 8:12 pm • 47 1 • view
NOLA attackers niece went on Hasan abi twitch and said his life was a mess and second divorce put him over the edge. Also huge financial issues. Kids didn’t talk to him.
jan 4, 2025, 8:23 pm • 29 1 • view
People planning to commit suicide often end up self-isolating, deliberately driving away friends and family to lessen the sting of their own death. I'm wondering if the ISIS bits were part of that - that this wasn't a genuine follower, but someone trying to make sure no one would miss him.
jan 5, 2025, 6:23 pm • 2 0 • view
Honestly that is the feeling I got too. “If I’m going out better make sure they listen … oh ISIS would make them put me on the news for a week!”
jan 5, 2025, 6:28 pm • 4 0 • view
Yep. He’s just a garden-variety violent misogynist. The white dude is actually the radicalized extremist.
jan 5, 2025, 2:11 am • 10 0 • view
Josh Marshall pointed out the sanitizing by big media of the Vegas guy. His manifesto (see below), called on removing Dems from govt (by any means necessary). Full on angry MAGA. Supports Trump & his boss Musk. NONE of this in NYT--already going full Vichy nevadacurrent.com/wp-content/u...
jan 4, 2025, 7:49 pm • 26 7 • view
tbf, there IS a SIGNIFICANT difference between killing a shitload of people and dying in a shootout with cops vs. a public self-immolation that kills no one else
jan 4, 2025, 8:07 pm • 6 0 • view
He parked a truck in a hotel driveway and blew it up. The fact that no one but him died was pure luck, not a point in his favor
jan 4, 2025, 10:24 pm • 6 0 • view
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.
jan 4, 2025, 9:58 pm • 0 0 • view
They like Trump and it would be bad if people knew that the Vegas bomber supported him bsky.app/profile/josh...
jan 4, 2025, 7:44 pm • 85 15 • view
Exactly this, they'd have to admit it's trump who radicalized this man.
jan 4, 2025, 10:49 pm • 18 1 • view
Note: rent vehicles from the SAME company.
jan 4, 2025, 8:39 pm • 0 0 • view
To disturbed native Americans did this. Just because one of them bought an Isis flag off of the Internet does not mean that he is any more or less radicalized than the other one.
jan 5, 2025, 7:06 pm • 0 0 • view
just like you can only be a “patriot” if you’re a republican. usa is so twisted and corny in their narrative. Al Gore,Vietnam Vet….yet, george w bush “patriot” …corny as hell🙄.
jan 4, 2025, 8:40 pm • 2 0 • view
EXACTLY. I picked up on this immediately 😒
jan 4, 2025, 8:13 pm • 0 0 • view
And this is why we Dems KNOW the Corporate Media has been bought by Trump’s buddies. The Fourth Establishment has failed us.
jan 4, 2025, 10:24 pm • 2 0 • view
Still waiting to hear about the "assassination attempt" on Donald Trump. *crickets*
jan 4, 2025, 7:52 pm • 13 1 • view
When folks post ridiculous headlines, it would be helpful to include the source so I can verify it's real and then ignore future articles from them.
jan 4, 2025, 9:11 pm • 0 0 • view
So I don't disagree with you, but I'd like to mention that one of them was flying a literal ISIS flag as he killed people.
jan 4, 2025, 9:47 pm • 1 0 • view
He was a US born veteran. He can't read Arabic. Merch.
jan 4, 2025, 9:52 pm • 0 0 • view
Ok? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I don't speak Arabic either but I understand what an ISIS flag means even if I can't decode the specific glyphs.
jan 4, 2025, 10:22 pm • 1 0 • view
And people from which demographic attacked the Capitol four years ago Monday? And a man from which demographic attempted an assassination last summer? Nothing to see here. Move along.
jan 4, 2025, 7:49 pm • 16 2 • view
🎯
jan 4, 2025, 7:55 pm • 0 0 • view
What could possibly explain the difference????
jan 4, 2025, 8:02 pm • 1 0 • view
How many people did they kill?
jan 4, 2025, 7:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Why does that matter?
jan 4, 2025, 8:13 pm • 0 0 • view
Is killing people worse than not killing people?
jan 4, 2025, 8:16 pm • 0 0 • view
You realize people are in prison for life for attempted murder? Happenstance is the only reason the Tesla wacko didn't kill more people. Look up the definition of terrorism and get back to me.
jan 4, 2025, 8:18 pm • 1 0 • view
I think he wanted to go out with fireworks. I think it's unsurprising that people are less focused on him and his motives than the NOLA guy who killed other people.
jan 4, 2025, 8:21 pm • 0 0 • view
Because he is white. If the situation was reversed the number of people murdered wouldn't even be brought up
jan 4, 2025, 8:23 pm • 1 0 • view
The number of people murdered is 14 in NOLA vs 0 in Vegas.
jan 4, 2025, 8:27 pm • 0 0 • view
Again, yes. And So?
jan 4, 2025, 9:58 pm • 0 0 • view
So that is why people are more interested in the NOLA guy's actions and motives.
jan 4, 2025, 11:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah. We know. Why did you just waste all this time?
jan 4, 2025, 11:52 pm • 1 0 • view
Is that what determines what the motivation for a terror attack is?
jan 4, 2025, 8:03 pm • 3 0 • view
Only one was a terror attack.
jan 4, 2025, 8:06 pm • 0 0 • view
How so? the Vegas guy wanted to radicalize people to purge democrats.
jan 4, 2025, 8:07 pm • 3 0 • view
By committing sparkling suicide in Elon's hideous cybertruck
jan 4, 2025, 8:11 pm • 0 0 • view
Being bad at terrorism doesn't mean it's not terrorism
jan 4, 2025, 8:12 pm • 8 0 • view
Do you think the special forces guy didn't know how to be good at terrorism?
jan 4, 2025, 8:15 pm • 0 0 • view
How does that not make it terrorism?
jan 4, 2025, 8:16 pm • 3 0 • view
Are you asking how fireworks are less terrifying than bombs?
jan 4, 2025, 8:19 pm • 0 0 • view
I’m saying process matters. The shoe bomber was an incompetent person with a wildly ineffective “bomb.” Are you saying because he was cartoonishly inept it wasn’t terrorism?
jan 4, 2025, 8:28 pm • 5 0 • view
Sure fucking went off like a bomb
jan 4, 2025, 8:40 pm • 1 0 • view
Always a huge assumption that mentally ill is a reason to explain mass murder. It’s not.
jan 5, 2025, 7:47 am • 0 0 • view
Yep. Weird how that happens
jan 5, 2025, 2:03 am • 0 0 • view
You mean the black guy got different treatment than the white guy? Shocking.
jan 4, 2025, 7:45 pm • 74 3 • view
The trauma slant extensively relies on quotes from 1 source- an ex-girlfriend who hadnt really been in touch for years. The scary slant has quotes from at least 3 different folks (half bro, neighbor, mosque members). Ergo the writer’s bias and limited sources led him to center “trauma” as the cause.
jan 4, 2025, 9:55 pm • 0 0 • view
One is white, another brown
jan 5, 2025, 4:54 am • 4 0 • view
jan 4, 2025, 7:58 pm • 1 0 • view
Well it is a real thing that moslems and black people that do something like that are handled worse in the media than white people, but i think in that instance its a lot about one guy killing a lot of people and the other guy only himself.
jan 4, 2025, 8:47 pm • 1 0 • view
"writing this article about how Luigi Mangione has white privilege suuuuuuuucks" "well good news, Bill, we're putting you on the domestic terrorism beat"
jan 5, 2025, 5:12 am • 2 0 • view
They were both radicalized. That needs to be repeated.
jan 4, 2025, 8:58 pm • 1 0 • view
I can’t stop thinking there is another story as to the motives of the Las Vegas guy - disturbed or not the “spectacle” he chose to create does not match his stated motivation. Seems like a re-worked narrative to me.
jan 4, 2025, 7:53 pm • 0 0 • view
“This was not a terrorist attack, it was a wake up call. Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives?” How so?
jan 4, 2025, 7:58 pm • 1 0 • view
That Americans only pay attention to spectacle is undisputed. But a “stunt” doesn’t match up with a “suicide” and why in a location that draws attention to those you supposedly support rather than your targets? Yes, I realize that logic doesn’t always follow.?
jan 4, 2025, 8:03 pm • 0 0 • view
Drawing attention to Trump and Musk this way is a positive to his intended audience. He gave his life for his ‘cause’. He wanted the optics of self immolation for his protest but took the easy way out. Things don’t need to make sense when you’re fvcked in the head.
jan 4, 2025, 8:11 pm • 0 0 • view
Its pretty clear, from all the time they spent in diners and cafés, the New York Times has decided that culling Democrats isn’t a radical ideology. Domestic abuse & a generation with PTSD from SCHOOL, then the army to pay for school, then for voting or walking on a crowded street on New Year’s Eve.
jan 4, 2025, 8:03 pm • 8 1 • view
I only regret that I do not have another NYT subscription to cancel.
jan 4, 2025, 10:14 pm • 0 0 • view
Sounds about white
jan 4, 2025, 7:46 pm • 35 0 • view
jan 4, 2025, 8:55 pm • 0 0 • view
They should have used a more fair & accurate headline: Both these terrorists suck shit.
jan 5, 2025, 1:24 am • 0 0 • view
Both men were captive to extreme dogmatic thinking. They get locked into that box with no escape as their thinking did not comport with reality. Frustration sets in, then anger, then they chose a violent exit.
jan 4, 2025, 8:15 pm • 1 0 • view
Green Beret wanted to lock down DC by force and eradicate Dems. No big deal…😳
jan 4, 2025, 8:46 pm • 1 1 • view
I know but one guy killed a bunch of people and the other guy just killed himself. They were both assholes.
jan 4, 2025, 8:22 pm • 0 0 • view
Both of these men were terriorist, they become terriorist the moment they planned and executed their plans to use violence to commit an ideological political act that was intended to create terror beyond the initial damage.
jan 5, 2025, 7:37 pm • 1 0 • view
The reason why they became terrorist is not relevant to the act or reporting the act, only to preventing future radicalization and future acts. The media and politicians need to get this point.
jan 5, 2025, 7:37 pm • 0 0 • view
Which one of them was a person of color?
jan 4, 2025, 8:39 pm • 1 0 • view
Random acts of violence followed by totally predictable and expected acts of racism.
jan 5, 2025, 9:00 pm • 1 0 • view
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jan 4, 2025, 8:30 pm • 0 0 • view
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jan 4, 2025, 7:56 pm • 0 0 • view
paint-chips-dot-gif
jan 4, 2025, 7:46 pm • 12 0 • view
I will autodefenstrate, I am sick of this shit.
jan 4, 2025, 8:29 pm • 1 0 • view
guy one was trying to... idk, there's no real plausible purpose to a one off ISIS attack here in the US. Guy 2 was trying to explicitly spark The Purge happening in this county, a far more plausible danger, given that it's linked to a powerful MAGA, militias, and entire propaganda networks
jan 5, 2025, 5:34 pm • 5 0 • view
To be fair, one of them only killed a known domestic abuser, so maybe it's like Dexter. Sigh. talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-a...
jan 5, 2025, 5:51 pm • 1 0 • view
Two sides of same coin and they are so caught up in their own hate and anger that they can’t see it.
jan 4, 2025, 9:04 pm • 0 0 • view
An example of how the nyt consistently puts its thumb on the scale. It’s in the framing, the stories covered v those ignored, the sources used v those dismissed.
jan 4, 2025, 7:49 pm • 3 0 • view
Once again, Hasan Minhaj was right: MAGA is White ISIS.
jan 5, 2025, 4:40 am • 15 0 • view
Sounds about white
jan 5, 2025, 2:14 pm • 14 0 • view
It’s like one of Chomsky’s “paired examples” from ‘Necessary Illusions’ znetwork.org/wp-content/u...
jan 4, 2025, 7:47 pm • 3 0 • view
Good link, thanks
jan 4, 2025, 9:19 pm • 0 0 • view
Qwhite the mystery.
jan 4, 2025, 8:00 pm • 18 0 • view
I see what you did there.
jan 4, 2025, 9:46 pm • 0 0 • view
And the “nonpolitical” one explicitly wants Dems to be killed :))))) www.fox5vegas.com/2025/01/03/l...
jan 4, 2025, 7:59 pm • 7 0 • view
qwhite an interesting difference
jan 4, 2025, 7:47 pm • 8 0 • view