So if someone settles land that isn't theirs (how do you define theirs exactly) it's totally permissable to kill every last one of them, with no regard for whether they personally settled the land or were born there, is that what I'm to derive from this?
"So if someone settles land that isn't theirs (how do you define theirs exactly)" It's a basic fact that zionist illegally settled the land. Are you daft? It never takes long for you Zionist to start lying while acting like perpetual victims. Such pathetic people, an embarrassment to humanity.
Is it a basic fact? Or are you being extremely reductionist about a process that's spanned the entirety of human history? How quickly you decide to label me as a Zionist (or even assume it would make the argument any less valid if true). I also note you didn't answer the question.
For human history? The zionist project to colonize Palestine began in 1896. You are painfully daft and have no clue what you're talking about. Your questions are incredibly stupid. It's like trying to explain to a flat earther why they're wrong. Why waste my time on someone who's so misinformed?
See, the problem here is you're looking at this through a myopic lens. Yes, throughout human history, which that region includes, people have been taking land from each other by force. So sits every person in a land that isn't theirs deserve death? How far back do you go to determine that?
I wish you had the mental capacity to understand how truly dumb you are. I'm not even sure how to reply to your nonsense. Are you saying it's okay to steal someone's land because other people have done it? At least learn the history before showing you have no clue what you're talking about 🤦
I'm saying that people have done it through history, so if your stance is that people who steal land and are raised on that stolen land deserve to die, that's a lot of people. You also have to determine who the land was stolen from originally, which is quite the feat. Have you considered this?
People have committed murder throughout history so does that make it alright? Your "argument" is mindless in what world does it justify anything? And when did I say all people in stolen land deserve to die? Quote me or shut up. You're so full of shit you have to make stuff up. Pathetic.
I didn't say murder was alright, just that your position is binary and it leads to a myopic take. You're obviously good enough to have disdain for genocide, so I figured you wouldn't want to inadvertently support the murder of innocents As to the second question, your first and second posts
The ones trying to ‘kill every last one’ is not the Palestinians, it’s the Israelis, and it always has been since the inception of Israel, and quite a few decades before when the zionist project first started. Your analogy is racist projection as you see Palestinians as bloodthirsty subhumans
I really don't, and you're projecting that viewpoint on me to cover for the fact that you are defending the murder of noncombatants. There are multiple remarks from members of Hamas (and other similar groups) that call for the extermination of Jews wholesale. That's not a view all Palestinians hold
By defending Israel, you’re defending the death of tens of thousands of noncombatants. Do you know how many children were killed on Oct 7? 36. That’s how many Palestinian children are killed by Israel each day. Hamas has shown more restraint and care for noncombatants than Israel ever has
Just like the view that Palestinians are deserving of this genocide is not a view held by all Israelis, let alone all Jews. You're looking at things through an extremely reductive lens that paints all people as either villains or innocents. That's not how the world works.
And yet you rush to defend the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. You see Hamas, a resistance force made up of orphans, as the ultimate evil but demand sympathy for a colonist nation that in poll after poll supports genocide in their majority. It’s clear what you are; genocide-supporting filth
I didn't rush to defend any ethnic cleansing, you're putting a lot of words in my mouth and not listening to the ones I'm writing. I don't demand sympathy for the Israeli combatants or Hamas. They're both leveraging deaths of innocents to attempt genocide, but only Israel has the means to try it
Yes you did; you do not accept that Palestinians are oppressed, this have no right to fight back against their oppressors. Israel has mandatory military service so every adult has had a direct hand in oppressing Palestinians but you see them as ‘innocent’ meanwhile Hamas is evil
I absolutely accept Palestinians are oppressed, I never said otherwise. And they have every right to rise up against their oppressors; but they should only leverage armed resistance against armed oppression. Compulsory soldiers are fair game while they're soldiers. We do not justify civilian deaths
But you do justify civilian death. You justify the death and starvation of children while quibbling about a guerrilla resistance of a people who have repeatedly tried peaceful means to stop their oppressors but have been slaughtered as a result. It’s exactly like Warsaw you racist
I think think the genocide Israel is enacting right now is abhorrent, particularly from a people that suffered much the same less than a century ago But I also don't think that any of the IDF's actions--which do lead to people joining Hamas to fight back--justifies killing noncombatants
There’s that false equivalence and cover for genocide again. You think that the genocide is abhorrent, which is only the last step in a 78 year ethnic cleansing regime, yet place all the blame on Hamas and none on Israel. Like I said, it’s clear what you are; no better than a nazi
It's not cover for genocide, I literally just said on the post you're responding to that it's abhorrent. I also called out the IDF for their part in creating the violence they claim as justification for their atrocities. The violence is disproportionate, true, but attacking civilians is still bad.
You focus on Hamas and Oct 7 in a vastly disproportionate way. What does that say about you, that you have to centre the oppressors and have to underline ‘well some Palestinians deserve genocide actually’ over and over again?
I haven't focused on Oct 7 at all honestly. You're right; this is an issue that goes well beyond that. I also don't say that "some Palestinians deserve genocide." I simply say no militaristic group should be targeting civilians, and those that do should be treated with disdain.
If you break into a house under US law, the home owner has the right to use deadly force to protect it. Why do you think its any different for anyone else?
Because it *is* different in lots of other places?? Like other states in the US, for starters. Not every US state is a "stand your ground" state. Just cuz the laws are one way one place doesn't mean they are the same way another place. Frankly I'm kind of confused about what your stance is that
Stand your ground applies outside your home. Every state has the right to defend yourself in your home. My stance is Palestine has a right to defend itself.
you are arguing for, I just wanted to point out that that comparison isnt the most logically sound one you could be using to support your position. Whether you think everyone *should* have stand your ground rights is of course its own seperate thing, but no, its really not a universal experience.
Because the situation isn't a good analogy, and to apply this idea with any consistency you'd have to be arguing that a goodly portion of the world deserves to be killed.