Hear Hear!!!👏

Absolutely

A New Vision for Peace: The Three-State Solution A rough idea I’ve been working on to help imagine a peaceful solution. It’s not set in stone — feedback is appreciated. #palestine #2statesolution #3statesolution #freepalestine #endgenocide #peace www.tumblr.com/nismo-omsin/...

Good stuff. Too advanced for the "world's leaders". People in govt. here have lost the ability to think sensibly, reasonably, and/or with simplicity. Your idea is good because of its simplicity, etc ...

He is right. Genocide is never acceptable!!! It is against international law!

This reflection is for all.

Hurt people, hurt people.

Satanjahu and his fascist government are heartless.

Thank you #MandyPatinkin

Exactly!

The guy watched too much TV.

No. This “guy” is thoughtful and in this case-also correct

False.

Mandy is a blessing

Miller was born on August 23, 1985, in Santa Monica, California, where he was raised, the second of three children in the Jewish family of Michael D. Miller, a real estate investor, and Miriam (née Glosser).

Wonderful and insightful peak into Miller's roots.

He's pathetically disgusting and creepy like the orange perv.

A deeper dive into his profile provides a 'predictive' context to the moves of this administration (imo). I wasn't surprised by Trump because I followed Miller and his exploits during the first Trump administration.

I'm for anything that persuades more of my fellow Jews to oppose Israel's government, but the way Mandy and especially his wife center the moral obligation on the way it impacts Jews makes me uncomfortable. The connection to Princess Bride is a good illustration of the true moral point, though.

You are supposed to feel uncomfortable. Israel's hijacking of Judaism as a means of scapegoating Jewish people for an imperialist genocide is the most antisemitic thing to take place in our life times

You missed my point entirely. I clearly agree Israel's actions are bad for Jews. And it's still not the main thing we should focus on in terms of what's wrong with Israel's actions -- centering how Israel's actions hurt me is the wrong focus.

What do you think is the main thing we should focus on?

The harm the genocide imposes on its victims. Honestly, if I have to tell you that, I don't expect you to actually join that fight.

lol ok?

Also, to be clear, I'm not saying we can't talk about the harm Israel's actions has on Jews. We totally should. But it needs to be couched in the recognition of the greater victims.

And this is how I interpreted Mandy’s message. 🤷‍♂️

Hearing his entire message in context, at least he acknowledges Palestinian suffering. His wife didn't seem to care about that at all.

I think that frame is necessary when dealing with a population that incredibly selfish.

Maybe. I just said it made me uncomfortable

I’m a jew by birthright who’s opposed the Netanyahu regime long before 10/7. I feel little if any connection to Israel and resent that a political party and a military wraps itself in a religion & culture to commit genocide. IMHO Bibi has caused more harm to Jews worldwide than Hamas could dream of

The obv response is that genocide is never justifiable and always morally reprehensible no matter who is committing it and why. But I also see the rise of anti-semitism as a response and it scares me and does make me uncomfortable.

People need to do better about seperating the Israeli govt & the Jewish people from the actions of the Israeli Regime. I’m not an Israeli. I didn’t vote for this. It makes me sick that to many these actions are being done in my name. It’s dangerous to start painting all Jews with this broad brush.

While I agree with most of Patenkins message and I’ve always been a big fan I do think he could have conveyed the message a lil better.

I think I agree with everything he said, including that Netanyahu is a threat to Jews. I just said I was uncomfortable with the centering of that point, especially the way his wife did it.

Yes, that's what annoys me too.

This is a small clip from a larger interview I suggest you both seek out.

I did. Most of what I said are about things that aren't in this clip. I agree with them that Israel's policies are harmful to Jews, but I was uncomfortable with how they centered it. I don't disagree with the substance of what they said.

This clip is actually a part where it's not about "Israel's policies are bad for Jews." It's about how immoral supporting Israel is, which is an appropriate centering topic. But the longer interview is much more focused on how Jews are harmed by Israel's actions, his wife especially.

Yes. Exactly that. If he/they are using the 'harm to Jews' to catalyse Jews to 'wake up', then I could be more tolerant, but he/they aren't. I agree that it is 'harming' Jews worldwide, but it's the perception of Jews as perpetual 'victims' which is being harmed (mostly). No religious group

is, nor has been, MORE protected (in modern history), NONE. That's what bothers me about this interview and Olmert etc.

Same. Exactly the same. I may screenshot your replies and plagiarise them, they are better articulated than mine.

I suggest you watch this, in return. He speaks of UK education/political assertions, but they apply across UK/USA/EUROPE William Dalrymple: ‘Britain’s education system sold me a lie about Palestine’ | Middle East Eye share.google/JmB2WVleH41W...

I've watched it all, thank you.

Mandy is only stating the truth. Remember this didn't just start with the justified Hamas attack. This has been brewing for a long time. Just how are people to rebel against genocide? It's to fight back. Js

Okay... I agree it's true. It's the centering of the impact of Jews I found uncomfortable. I have relatives in Israel. If I focused substantially (Mandy) or entirely (his wife) on the effect of Israel's actions on them, I hope most people would think I had the wrong focus, too.

Personally, I'd rather center this around the effect these horrible actions are having on the direct victims of those actions. You can make the point about its impact on Jews and on Israel without centering the discussion around that point.

I also think viewing October 7 as justified is really problematic and makes it hard to take your perspective completely seriously. You're entitled to your own views on these issues, but you won't catch me arguing rape, murder and kidnapping are justified in any situation.

I never focus on the terroists it's always the victims the Palestinians as everyone should.

Now you've slipped into a antisemitic approach that the other guy is criticizing. Centering criticisms of Israel's policies around the impact on innocent Jews does not focus on the terrorists. You've conflated me with Israel in the context of Israel's wrongful conduct, and I do not appreciate that.

Are you referring to what i said? Funny how you refer to me as antisemetic, which is as far from the truth as one can get. It's also a cheap shot just because I support the indigenous people of Palestine. Also im referring to the terrorists the zionists.

I say: I'm uncomfortable with centering the discussion of what's wrong with Israel on its impact on Jews. You: Yeah, "I never focus on the terrorists." I wasn't either. I was focusing on innocent Jews. But you heard "Jews" and thought "terrorist." You were NOT talking about only zionists.

Yes, I was. If you didn't understand that then, what can I say. Why are you picking a fight with me, when you know I've been referring to the zionists as the terroists to include netanyahu. The victims are the indigenous Palestinians.

I'm not picking a fight. I'm pointing out where you quite obviously conflated Jews and terrorists because that's what you do when people say bigoted things.

Why should we always focus on the Jews and not the real criminals the zionists and the victims the Palestinians?

Zionism did not come out of nothing. Zionists today are Zionists for a reason. The reason is a reaction - a reaction to the hate they receive from people like yourself. If haters like you did not exist, they would have been no Zionism and Israel never would have been created

So, to be clear, if there were not people who think that Israel's actions now are bad, nobody would be a Zionist? I... it's... I don't even know where to start to explain how much that's nonsense.

I get what youre saying. I do not want to be misunderstood regarding how I feel. I specifically use the word zionists and not jews, because I know most news do not support this illegal genocide. I could be wrong, but do believe most Jewish people do not support netanyahu or the apartheid regime.

Nobody thought you were focusing on Jews. I'm trying to understand the either incoherent or insane post made in response to you.

I don't understand that either. Completely ignorant comment based on bullshit.

To refer to me as a hater instead of a realist says alot about you. So you support apartheid and genocide. Check yourself as to whom is the actual hater. Smdh

You need to go back to the Balfour Declaration to understand how the zionists came about. The focus should always be on the victims of this genocide always the indigenous people of Palestine.

I get what youre saying however I just can't get away from what is actually happening with our money and other supports. We are complicit in every Palestinian death. I agree with Bernie.

Correction , I meant Mandy not Bernie.

It's weird that every time I say "I agree with what Mandy and his family said, but I don't agree with the centering the point around the impact on Jews," the response I get is, "but but but it's bad for Jews!"

It IS bad for Jews and that does matter. But it's wildly narcissistic to center the issue around that instead of around the impact on the victims of the ethnic cleansing.

Good point

#NeverAgainForAnyone

I will never understand anyone's religious God would allow innocent people to suffer and die needlessly.

There comes a time when alarms goe off internally, genocide should be one of those times. Stop killing Palestinian children and people. #FreePalestine

Inigo Montoya as one of the most honourable fictional characters ever still has nothing on his soul, Mandy Patinkin.

Thank you Mandy

They’ve already destroyed The Gaza people. Disgusting

Netenyahu is the new Hitler.

my sentiments exactly. 'never again' means never again for ANYONE. or at least it should

He'll be labelled as an antisemite soon. Just as they are labelling Olmert. bsky.app/profile/mixi...

And yet, he still supports Israel as a 'state' with a 'right to exist', despite the fact that it was created by EXACTLY the actions it is doing today...it has been doing it for 100 years.

Do you also support the abolition of the United States? A nation built on a far bigger occupation of land and ethnic cleansing/genocide? It seems if you deny Israel's right to continue existing then you must also deny the US the right to exist for the same reasons.

Yes.

Fair enough - although how could either be practically achieved could not be achieved without more almost unimaginably vast suffering? I don't think this much history can be reversed, but both Israel and the US can and must fully acknowledge their bloody births & the ongoing injustices that result.

“They are endangering not only the State of Israel, which I care deeply about and want to exist, but they are endangering the Jewish population all over the world."

When Mandy Patinkin speaks, it is always from a foundation of truth, wisdom and authority. We clearly need more grown ups in the room. I look forward to him having a fireside chat with Trump.

I totally agree with this guy.👍

I love him....

I love Mandy Patinkin. Much respect to Mandy. ✌🏼❤️

Have always loved him, from the Princess Bride to Homeland. It warms me to see he's just as passionate in real life and on the right side of things, morally.

Same.

Well said, and needs to be said, over and over!

So proud of him for this. This is exactly how I feel!!