How is it working out for EVERYONE?! Newsom doesn't have to be your candidate and what he said was absolutely shitty. But rather than throwing stones at the guy doing something (including redistricting, on which he's leading), why not just champion the better guy? Build, not divide. My two cents.
Maybe Newsom should do better than lame triangulating that doesn't win votes from anyone. Why do we have to accept lousy takes from candidates who don't have a care about how their words and action look to others? He should stick to trolling Trump. Not throwing powerless people under the bus.
To be clear, I agree with you on substance, and disagree on tactics. Attacking him WHILE he is mounting an effective attack on Trump (now cue everyone who says he's done nothing -- but redistricting and embarrassing Trump is absolutely effective) is counterproductive. That's my whole take.
Then why is he wasting a time on an issue like "trans people should wait until 25 to get the medicine they need" and throwing them under the bus in the process. That's Newsom's fault for thinking this triangulating BS is a winner when it's a loser and a distraction. Why are you supporting that?
It's really simple. We need ppl fighting, and to encourage more to fight. If the fighters get immediately attacked for every dumb thing they said or triang. they made (which is what it was), it discourages the next fighter. (Who, BTW, might have a position that doesn't bother U but bothers others.)
WRONG. Triangulating is not fighting, and it is a LOSER. Stop being a "clap louder" hack. Dems that have not stood up and stood strong for the right things is a big reason we are in this mess today. Newsom may be doing the right thing now, but he totally misread what voters wanted in November.
Honestly, my entire pitch was, "Let's hold the infighting for the moment, three years from the next election." That was it. Lots agree with this, and clearly, lots don't.
NO. Now is the time we need to be telling Dems what doesn't work. And what does. Why do you accept losing and subpar results? I want to crush the GOP bastards, and I am not trusting these establishment losers who have failed to do so. Stop deferring and start demanding better. Convo over.
Ah, another electoral expert. You're right -- I am accepting losing and subpar results. (Everyone erases Biden's victory from their analysis -- that doesn't count.) You can not "trust establishment losers" and still not attack them WHILE they're attacking your enemy. But so it goes. Convo over
The only reason that demented old man got anywhere is literally just because of COVID he was CARRIED BY COVID why do all of you refuse to admit that, And after he refused to be a one term candidate and the dems refused to have a proper primary once again we were all told we had to get in line...
“Yeah Gavin Newsom hates trans people and wants to kill all the homeless…BUT-“ Seriously, GFY.
Shove your two cents up your ass
Got it, will do. We're all in good shape. Set up for success. Positive vibes, everyone. Teamwork makes the dream work.
Good.
We're not building with terfs.
We can champion good people while also attacking bad people.
When am I allowed to throw stones? Can’t do it year one after an election because Dems have to fight republicans, can’t do it year two because of midterms, can’t do it year three because it isn’t the primaries yet, can’t do it year four because we have to beat republicans in the general election
You're literally throwing stones at the people criticizing a politician
If he wants to redistrict, great, let him stay in his lane. If he tries to get out of his lane, run him over, he can't be trusted
You're saying "build, not divide," while defending a guy who is all about dividing! He is proudly contemptuous of trans people and homeless people. If you want to build something, you can't start by declaring you're going to murder a bunch of the members. That's a cult, not a coalition.
When did he say he was going to murder a bunch of people?
What do you think happens to trans people when they are removed from public spaces and have no access to medication? What do you think happens to homeless people when they have all of their belongings thrown away, over and over again?
When did Newsom say any of that about trans people? Did you watch this interview or just the tiny out of context clip OP prepared for you?
Newsom also cut millions of dollars in funding for LGBT health centers. lalgbtcenter.org/vanguard/pre...
The source you shared highlights only the LGBTQ piece, not capturing the full budget picture. Newsom’s proposed cut of about $17m from LGBTQ health programs is small (0.1%) relative to the $12b in his total proposed cuts. That said, I empathize it’d still be an unfortunate loss for the community.
Stop nominating unelectable pricks and then we can talk about building
Some suggestions: AOC Jasmine Crocket James Talarico Bernie Sanders FYI: Throwing people under the bus, demanding that people get in line, and implicitly saying “screw your family members, they can’t make their decisions, even as adults” is not a deal breaker for you is not a good look.
That is not what I said at all. But feel free to deliberately misread. All those people are great. You're going to get age arguments against Bernie and against Jasmine and James, from opposite directions. I'd be all aboard AOC.
I ask that you take into consideration both what being willing to look the other way with regard to Newsom’s stance means and your criticism of others for not putting others forward. I ask that you advocate for other candidates too instead of being irritated others aren’t doing that for you.
"Look the other way" mischaracterizes my position. Also, I'm not the one criticizing candidates. Do you know the rule how, at work, it's bad form to just criticize the work of others, and not offer positive contributions of your own? Same thing here. I don't need them to do it "for me."
There's a certain number of people who are just going to criticize to the end, revel in their ideological purity, and never actually help chart a path that could lead to victory. Then they're going to say, "It is YOUR fault for not giving me a candidate I like" (with "YOUR" being everyone else).
I think that's bad, and doesn't help the cause of justice. I've been told 100X, "Too bad. Then come up w/ a better candidate." As if it's on me and everyone else to satisfy this group, and if we don't, they'll let it burn. (Including those they claim to care about.) That seems to be the landscape.
Newsom’s position regarding trans people is a non-starter for me. You asked people to give alternatives as one response. You also don’t want Newsom criticized. I offered alternatives. You defend your strategy. I would like you to change strategy. You do you. I’ll do me.
You have literally no backbone. It’s incredible
Ah, yes. Any electoral assessment is a "no backbone." It's much more impressive just to choose your candidate, do no work to help them, revel in your ideological purity ("everyone else is a sellout"), and watch it get worse for EVERYONE. Others are way worse off. But you get to be pure.
And idk man as a disabled man in America yeah there are people worse off, but I’m pretty fucking low on the totem pole of sacrifices being made by Newsom and other Dems. So fuck off
You don’t have a backbone and don’t stand for anything
Sure, that's the case. Enjoy your pure identity that gets nothing done and helps no one. Everyone else is a sellout. Tell those ppl in foreign torture prisons or without healthcare or access to hospitals, or the women dying from sepsis, how you maintained your backbone. You are the hero.
What president did Roe get overturned under? Wasn’t Trump afik
Check out how the Supreme Court works. Read a book.
I have read many, you brought up abortion rights; which President did abortion rights go away under? How hard did he fight to get a codified roe at all? He was vp of a president who promised to codify it. Seems like you need a book
Any moron who asks "which President did abortion rights go away under," as if it was the President's action during that term and not the result of the constitution of the Court (as that President came into office), is either stupid or dishonest.
We are in this situation because the candidates you and the party unconsitially back and force minority voices out of the party lost the easiest elections in history TWICE. Grow a backbone and stand for something.
Unconditionally
Lol. Again, another person who abdicates all responsibility for everything. Perfect. On brand.
What the fuck are you talking about? Make sense loser
Cool, he's redistricting. He also vetoed affordable insulin, destroyed homeless people's property with his bare hands, and shot down AI regulation at the behest of his donors. Fuck this freak.
Again, I wish people would champion the better person, then. I think we're fucked if ppl point to each person doing something, fighting back, getting positive attention (Newsom, Mamdani, Pritzker) and shouts about their flaws each time.
n you point out a group mamdani or Pritzker are throwing under the. U.S. to win? I’ll wait…
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if you don't draw red lines early you get shit like "we're committed to killing Palestinians and we love Liz Cheney"
“He’ll ruin less lives, so just accept that you’re fucked so the rest of us can pretend everything is okay.” Nah. Show a candidate against fucking some people over to save others and we’ll “champion” them
So you've got NO ONE in mind?!?! Great. What a productive viewpoint. "Everyone stinks, and it is all YOUR fault. But I have no actual suggestions." No notes.
Andy Bashear, JB Pritzker, Tammy Baldwin, Tim Walz, Jon Ossoff, Raphael Warnock, Keith Ellison, AOC, Becca Balint, Julian Castro, Tina Kotek, Maura Healey, Katie Hobbs, Katie Porter, Roy Cooper, Chris Murphy, Ned Lamont, Brian Schatz, Jasmine Crockett. That enough for you? I've got more.
Nobody had Obama "in mind" 3 years out from the election How about ya'll stop giving up immediately
So what? It's not any random voter's job to put forward a candidate who isn't atrocious. If it bothers you so much, then YOU do the work to find an acceptable candidate to marginalized peoples.
just so you know this schtick is more believable when you fill out your profile and bio
It’s 2025. You want everyone to fall in line with a shit candidate……..3 years in advance..? Find someone better. Fuck Newsom. You want our vote, court it. Not demand blind obedience to a machine gearing up to leave us behind so you can have your Sunday brunch and pretend nothing is happening.
I'll say this for today's party Democrats:
Oh, the old, "Court me!" Why don't you just say who and what you're for, and then try to convince others why that's right, and why your candidate is the best? Oh, you'd rather say, "Court me, or I'll fuck everyone I claim to care about over"? Got it. Understood. WTF is talking about brunch?!
Not wanting to see a guy who thinks people like me shouldn't exist: "Oh court me or I'll fuck everyone I claim to care about!!!" you're absolute garbage.
Listen man, I get that your point is “everyone just needs to suddenly think and like me and everything will be fine”, but that’s just straight up not the game you have the luxury of playing. Turnout sucks in this country, so yeah, Dems gotta do the math and figure out who they can court.
Dems do, I agree. That said, personally, as a voter, though, I do not think anyone needs to "court me," and I'm not waiting to be courted. I'm asking who has the best chance to make things better for everyone. That's how I make my decision. I would be embarrassed to demand courting.
It’s just that the electorate at large evidently doesn’t work that way. Dems dragged their feet on Gaza and a lot of people didn’t vote for them over it. Humans being humans, why expect them to change their behavior on their own if the platform doesn’t meaningfully change? That’s just naive.
I think 2 things are fully true, even if they seem mutually exclusive: 1) It is the duty of the D party to find a way to win votes. 2) It is the duty of each voter to vote in a way that helps ppl, aligns w/ values, maximizes good and minimizes bad. The "court me" vibe seems like an abdication on 2
To make things better for everyone? You mean except homeless people, trans people, Palestinians, diabetics, etc.
Diabetics?! Biden cut the price of insulin! Trump undid that completely! Geez louise...
Mamdani. That's who has the best chance. Previously, it was Sanders. Again, the idiots rule the party.
Lmao you literally don't know any other prominent dems do you
There’s only around 300 elected dems at the federal level it’s such a small pool!!!
JFC. You're fucking kidding me? Who made Newsom the appointed heir to be the nominee 3 years in advanced? There are other people out there. Not him.
I’m for trans rights. If candidates aren’t on board with trans rights, they will not get my support. Period.
Go back to only caring about the presidential election and shut up for the next 3 years, the vulnerable people have to make sure assholes like you have as small an impact on the party as possible because their lives depend on it, meanwhile you just want “normalcy” so you can enjoy brunch.
Democrat infighting is why the republicans win btw. It’s literally why Trump is president right now.
No, Democrats pushing fascist policies would be the main reason
You’re thinking of the republicans.
No I'm talking about Newsom's policies actually
no it isn't, it's because republicans fight to energize their base and democrats fight to please their donors
Certainly some of Column A (as definitely represented by the current Mamdani hullabaloo), and lots of Column B (the infighting, the purity test, the "court me" demands). But if my latest exchanges here on BS has confirmed anything, it's that people aren't moving in their views...
"court me demands" is it not the job of a politician to enact the will of their voters, idiot.
“Why won’t the trannies accept being sacrificial fodder so us brunch liberals can ignore everything again? 🙄🙄🙄 They should just fall in line with the ghoul willing to shred homeless people’s belongings for a photo op, we only have 3 years!! We can’t find anyone else!! Why the purity test????”
You guys really think MAGA republicans are going to treat trans people better? 💀
"Don't sacrifice trans peoples' rights because we absolutely KNOW they won't stop there" and "don't aid a genocide" aren't purity treats, it's called "not being a fucking idiot", bub. Everyone has issues on which they won't compromise, including you, so go soak your head.
Exactly! There are better candidates yet to emerge I am sure!
Yeah did they forgot it is like 2025? Newsom is going to burn out early like Cruz did.
We don’t need a candidate at this moment! As a Californian, I am glad he’s leading the efforts to redraw the maps. Great! That doesn’t mean he’s the person to lead the rebuilding of this country after Trump. Newsom is a snake and I do not trust him at all.
There isn’t an election right now you fucking psychopath.
I've seen a bunch of people forwarded. Pritzker, Walz, AOC if she goes for it, even Buttigieg is probably better. However, part of the fight entails convincing people this man is unelectable. Otherwise they might think otherwise.
Fair enough. All of those folks work for me, and that's probably order of preference.
JB Pritzker, Walz, AOC, a 97 year old Bernie sanders, Elizabeth warren(bleh but hey we gotta meet halfway). There you go; every single one of them has not thrown trans people under the bus for political gain. There are tons of reps that I don’t even know the name of that would be better
I would kill to have Elizabeth Warren win the primary compared to most of the names people usually float, and Pritzker is starting to improve on Gaza. I appreciated Bernie in 16-20 but he already stated he's not going to run again because of his age. Which is good, because he's like. A mummy
Bernie was definitely a joke, I love the man but he is OLD. Every single one of those people has stances I disagree with but they aren’t “all humans deserve basic rights” level of disagreements which is basically the bare minimum!
I don't think I could vote for Newsom with a gun to my head, being that he would trade my life for a .0001% increase in support from moderates.
Pritzker now shut up
There’s like 217? Dem reps plus an upcoming midterm, and 50 Dem senators, and welp the only person they can think of is Gavin Gruesome despite people like Pritzker actually putting their big boy pants on and telling the fbi and ice to fuck themselves, this current reality is wild
it's all intentional on their part, really. they just want a guy who "trolls the magas" and doesn't actually put forth any sort of real improvement
You find someone then, rather than recycling awful candidates
Mamdani is fine. If Mamdani runs for president, he will win. Making him the frontrunner is the smart thing to do. But democrats are idiots.
Mandani is not a natural born citizen, he can never be President.
Trump doesn't follow the rules. Why should anybody else?
Mamdani is getting attention because Dems are throwing him under the bus. He won the primary, if the party had lined up to support him like they would have for Cuomo he'd be out of the national news by now
That was the second thing. He got attention FIRST because he was a positive, engaging, compelling candidate. He's a guy who gave people hope and optimism. Which if fantastic. And I think the D leadership fucking sucks for attacking him. So, it's not as if my view is in just one direction.
Call me when Newsom does any of that. I think Democrats want a strong leader who won't roll over for Republicans and their talking points to go on their podcasts.
Newsom was the 1st to say we are going to redo congressional districts if you do that in Texas. That is unprecedented. That is big. He's also sued Trump re ICE. The podcasts were 100% shitty. And I'd much rather Pritzker or others. But you don't need to act like Newsom isn't doing anything. He is.
I didn't say he wasn't doing anything.
People very much are trying to champion for a better candidate. We still have plenty of time to find someone who doesn’t actively hate some of the most marginalized communities in the country and ya’ll are dead set on Newsome. Don’t gaslight what is actually happening.
I am absolutely NOT set on Newsom. He is not my guy (for the reasons stated). And I agree that the election is a long way away. I just think it's bad for the cause of democracy and empathy overall if, every time someone takes an active role in fighting the regime, tons of ppl yell out why they suck
Empathy? When talking abt newsom?
When he’s being pushed as the Democratic front runner, people on the left have every right and in fact, duty, to talk about why he sucks. This myth that we’re going to elect diet republicans and then push them further left is just that, a myth.
I do understand that logic. I just know we're so desperate for fighters, for ppl who can generate energy and attention against this regime, that I think there should be some semblance of detente while he (or anyone else) is punching back against Trump. Esp. 3 yrs from the primary.
And to be clear, I think it's bananas and insane that Mamdani is meeting resistance from the "institutionalist" side. JFC, the guy has people feeling happy and engaged and optimistic. YOUNG people, too! And he HELPED D's ESCAPE from Cuomo! Get onboard.
I get where you’re coming from but I think we gotta be clear. A lot of people don’t like Trump and dunk on him. Newsome is basically doing Trump against Trump. He’s not a freedom fighter. He’s just doing what Trump does against him. He is not a hero by any means and he doesn’t fight for everyone.
Hey, you want to say he's opportunistic and untrustworthy? I 100% agree. But I wouldn't discount the effectiveness of his response. R's are pushing a fascist, Nazi takeover, and mockery that lands against them--and Newsom's is landing--is a powerful tool. Plus, the redistricting.
Thanks for the respectful chat. Here's hoping for a better country and world...
I get wanting to be optimistic but we don’t fight fascism with fascism. Rolling backward on trans rights and demonizing/ criminalizing homelessness is fascism too. We can do better, the time is now. We should’ve learned by now, there’s no amount of trolling that will make MAGA vote for a dem.
I think we should be careful in calling a stupid and ignorant thing a person says "fascism" when, right now, Rs have masked gangs on the streets kidnapping ppl to foreign prisons, they're demanding voter rolls, and they're demanding medical records of all trans and autistic ppl.
Couldn't be me, I hated him long before he did anything helpful.
trying to draw a comparison between 2 men who have the bare minimum of democratic principles and 1 soulless bigot who volunteers to remove my rights without prompting is fucking insane.
The democrats are actively fighting against a better candidate. "Vote Blue No Matter Who", unless they're actually progressive. This bullshit is why the house rep in my area literally used to run republican campaigns but got billed as a progressive democrat by the DNC
It’s three years away. Don’t put your bag of money in the most evil man that has ever been a Democrat in the modern era short of like Strom Thurmond. There is no reason to decide or to back anyone, especially a compromised bigot
How are you grouping Newsom with Mamdani and Pritzker? Do you not know the difference between aesthetic performance and action?
I'm grouping them as ppl who are fighting, who are inspiring others, who are getting attention and energy. And I'm all for it, for all of them. And I don't think anyone who cares about defeating this current hateful regime should be throwing stones at any of them. BTW, Newsom is taking action.
But not for the trans community, and you're obviously just as fine with Newsome throwing them under the bus as Newsome is.
Newsom isn’t fighting. He’s podcasting and buddying up with conservatives. It’s clear you don’t know the difference
Speaks volumes about today’s liberals that “tweeting in all caps” is fighting.
Speaks volumes that today's anti-liberals: (1) refuse to acknowledge the value of mockery, and (2) don't seem to understand that redistricting an entire state to get more D's in the house is certainly "fighting," and is in fact a big move that other D states are now keen to follow.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...
Newsom isn't redistricting shit, the legislature does that
He's not mocking these morons by giving them another vessel to voice their fascism. He's literally allowing them to do it. And when he invited Charlie Kirk on his podcast he was essentially agreeing with him on many things. And then he even went along with the whole litter box crap
As If I shit in a litter box. Just more absolute bullshit. I don't trust Newsom and never will. And he has been a poor governor at best.
Tossing your hat in with the guy who wants to roll back trans rights and violently destroys homeless peoples’ lives with the “democracy in 2025” handle is hilarious. Keep it up, lib
Ah, "lib." Things are going great. Good talk.
What happened to an appreciation for mockery? Enjoy “building a big tent” using the skin and bones of trans people as canvas and tentpoles.
What has mockery ever accomplished politically...? You've been dunked on over and over here and you keep defending your braindead opinions. And I like how in the wildest fantasies of effective liberal politicking...your leaders merely maintain the status quo house minority lol
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Mockery never has had any impact politically... Sorry, excuse me one second. I'm getting a call from Michael Dukakis's tank helmet. I gotta take this.
You’re not listening
I'll throw as many rocks at him as I want I don't care
All right, then. Carry on.
Build, not divide. Interesting concept. I think inviting neo-nazis onto your podcast isn't "building". Not all of us support a huckster selling snake oil.
Great. JB Pritzker, Andy Beshear, and Tim Walz all do just fine at being decent people and aren’t screaming transphobes.
The thing is that from the perspective of a trans person, they are the same guy. Because the community is losing all the same rights. I'm very vocal about voting the lesser evil but I am absolutely not blaming anyone for not seeing a lesser evil in this case.
Shut the fuck up liberal
Good note. Thanks for the tip. It's all going to go great. If you actually have a positive suggestion -- a specific candidate you're for, etc. -- let me know. I'm all ears.
100000% this.
I will throw boulders if it makes him shut the fuck up and stop denying basic human rights to vulnerable populations. He cannot be the candidate because he is not even the basic human level of compassion to represent a big tent coalition. You can want all cis white guys, they got a party they like
Redistricting is probably good, but it doesn’t mean he’d be a good president. Ask lots of us who lived with him in SF and as Gov….
It's not throwing stones to call out bad shit someone does. It's necessary. If all we ever did was call out the good stuff someone does, then we'd just succeed in electing awful people who know how to APPEAR nice.
We call out bad shit about Republicans all the time. Because it's necessary. If anything, it's even MORE important to call out the bad shit people in your own party so, or soon your party is gonna be full of shitty people pretending to be nice. Which is what the Democratic party currently is.