The knowledge is still there, it'll just leave the US, we'll send it back in when its finaly a success, nothing stops progress.

I'm hearing that mRNA pharma on cancer cures continues, it's just the vaccines against pathogens. I need more details

I have no idea about colon cancer or the mRNA research specifically, but just as a general matter, you can’t neatly separate fighting cancer from fighting infections. Witness HPV as an example.

We are stuck with US health services under the control of very whimsical and not very sensible people -- for the time being at least.

RFK Jr. has said he ended mRNA vaccine research for upper respiratory infections so no Covid, seasonal flu, bird flu… even though it’s the fastest to produce and distribute in a crisis. He claims cancer research will continue, but we’ll see. I bet advances in any mRNA tech informs other scientists.

Yeah, .. using thoroughly tested and proven technology.

POS is an understatement. They’re committing negligent homicide.

If colon cancer is cured, that means less visits for chemo and other therapies that line the pockets of CEOs of insurance companies.

Idiot.

Hey. You. Yeah, you. Go fuck yourself with a rusty bayonet. Sincerely, Colorectal cancer survivor

ffs, no.

Your comment is not at all true.

Insurance companies spend many times more money treating cancer per patient than they make from the patient's premiums. Curing cancer with a couple of shots per customer is an enormous net positive for them.

So big pharma told the Trump administration to kill the anti-vancer vaccine?

Yes, insurance companies like paying for treatments. They'd much rather do that than take in premiums and keeping the money.

This is the dumbest take.

The goal of insurance companies is to take in more, and pay out less. Therapies are expensive. Once developed, vaccines are cheap.

Insurance companies would rather have a vaccine than chemo—they make more money when there are less visits and less money when there are more visits.

How do you imagine that paying for expensive treatments "line the pockets of CEOs of insurance companies?" I *really* don't think you've thought this through.

found the defender of Bigg Ass Cancer over here!

insurance companies want to _not_ pay for expensive treatments

I think the conspiracy theory you’re looking for is that pharma CEO’s don’t want to cure cancer. Insurance companies make money by keeping more of yours, they would love a cure for cancer. Still gobsmackingly stupid, just for the wrong reason.

EXACTLY!!! Chris Rock said they are like drug dealers ... they get you on the comeback🤬🤬

This is like half an inch away from RFK MAHAism.

For gods sake there is no fucking conspiracy to keep cancer uncured. There is way more money for them in a cure. People aren’t going to stop getting cancer just because it’s curable.

Exactly, big Pharma did not kill mRNA research, the fucking eugenicist quacks currently running the government did.

Seems like other countries will still make mRNA vaccines we can get (if we're allowed to import them). We're mainly just losing technological and market leadership -- the ultimate self-own.

U.S. Research spending dwarfed other countries though. It’s gonna be a massive setback in the research that was ongoing here and the rest of the world is not gonna be able to just pick up that slack immediately.

It'll take some time, but I think China has a good shot at it.

Trump will slap a 150% tariff on it, making it unaffordable to us.

Now we’re just inventing things to doom about.

I was told I was inventing things to doom about before RvW was overturned. Told that when I said, he's serious abt mass deportations. I was called an "alarmist" when I said he'll send in military to occupy blue cities. I said it before LA. Pls mute if you think I'm a "doomer." No harm, no foul.

Those are not remotely the same thing, but do go off. You started this with a conspiracy theory about insurance companies killing cancer treatments because they “make money” off of chemo lol. I just don’t think you actually understand what you’re dooming about in this case.

EXACTLY!!!!

Indeed. I am so tired of people trying to use one explanation for every problem. Reality is more complicated than that.

Reality is simultaneously more complicated and more stupid.

Though there is a related truth that the eugenicist quacks are mostly also trying to sell some bullshit on the side

True. The right is crazy full of grifters. It's as though they don't consider you legitimate if you aren't trying to rip them off.

Andrew Wakefield first launched his attacks on MMR vaccines because he was trying to promote his own vaccine, which he'd patented. He's tried to hide this ever since: briandeer.com/wakefield/va...

You can patent anything, his vaccine never existed.

That is so interesting. I often wondered if Wakefield had a nefarious modus operandi and bingo.

I swear to you if I had a time machine - forget Pilate, forget Hitler - I'd stop the conception of Andrew Wakefield. He's done more damage to public health than every STD and cancer combined.

Sure, but that's hardly the first or only attack on vaccines and also isn't big pharma. It's a good example of grifter bullshit though.

These cretins think that thousands of people who have dedicated their entire working lives to treating cancer are sitting on a cure, because pharma told them to. Thick as mince.

Healthcare is a business here in the USA. There’s no conspiracy to toxic capitalism. It’s all out in the open. HC insurers collect premiums and co-pays while denying payments for necessary treatments. You could ask Brian Thompson how it all works for better insight.

Yea, this is not evidence or even logical support for the grand conspiracy you’ve casually claimed. Insurers do not make money off of chemo therapy. Denying treatment doesn’t have anything to do with actively suppressing a cure. A less expensive cure would save them money vs chemo.

It isnt a conspiracy, it is the US healthcare industrys business model. There is no money in curing anything, the money is in treating things. Everything about it is designed to create as many chargeable codes as they can.

I did not introduce a conspiracy. You took it as such. Don't throw your shit on me. If you support the business of healthcare stealing from Americans, enjoy yourself. Blame me for my misunderstand, as you see it. ✌️

If you think you’re educating me on something I don’t know about perhaps you should sit down

It’s another example of the same kind of painfully uninformed conspiratorial thinking that got us in this situation

And, there you go!

Myth

On the other hand, BioNTech made so much money with the COVID vaccine that it paid off all the debt of the city of Mainz in one go. And that's just the corporate tax take of the profits.

That disease damn near killed my Dad and did kill people we knew I will never forgive