Bernie fumbled 2020 and in response these people invented a massive conspiracy and refused to learn a single thing about the electorate. accelerationist libs were fucking paying attention
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he just fumbled like a loser
apr 12, 2025, 12:52 pm • 0 0 • view
The thing is, if Bernie had won in 2020 they would’ve hated him because he would have actually had to do things. And inevitably those things wouldn’t have been good enough for them. Theory is clean and easy to support but putting things into practice is messy.
apr 12, 2025, 2:52 am • 37 1 • view
If this was a year ago, I think I would wholeheartedly agree, but since the election I have seen comments and statements from Bernie that if any Democrat had said would get them absolutely shredded by the political left. I still generally like him, but he has lost a bit of his luster to me.
apr 12, 2025, 5:15 am • 7 0 • view
A similar thing is happening to AOC as she attempts to achieve things
apr 12, 2025, 4:39 am • 17 0 • view
“They.” “Them.” Plus you’re making up hypothetical situations to get mad at.
apr 12, 2025, 3:34 pm • 6 0 • view
let's be fair, Bernie didn't fumble he was merc'd. but he went with it as usual.
apr 14, 2025, 10:49 pm • 0 0 • view
none of you gave a solitary shit about the fully predictable harm of a second Trump administration until when people warned you. it's just infantile politics.
apr 12, 2025, 1:52 am • 630 38 • view
I love your broad sweeping statements… the you of 20yrs ago into Situationism was far more interesting. Smoked a little meth in grad school and read some of the edgier English philosophers (you don’t have a second language do ya kid). What actual real world organising have you done? Seriously.
apr 13, 2025, 12:52 am • 0 0 • view
you refused to be guilted and now you are like 'god liberals are such heartless monsters' shut the fuck up
apr 12, 2025, 1:54 am • 585 33 • view
Seriously… what real world, actually interacting with other human beings work have you done to further any political cause. Your thread sure makes it seem like it’s simple, we’re just some dumb fucks who haven’t figured it out…
apr 13, 2025, 12:56 am • 3 0 • view
A lot of this is best resolved by assuming the people in question think they have a God-given right to be the protagonists of any resistance activity, and if they aren't, it can't be 'true' resistance
apr 12, 2025, 1:55 am • 258 15 • view
This is what happens when you have Leninists so deracinated from their Leninism that they don't formally believe in a vanguard party, but automatically assume they are the vanguard as a matter of course It's the same thing evangelicals do with the Bible, probably because it's the same demographic
apr 12, 2025, 1:57 am • 190 11 • view
"I believe I am of the elect!" while manifestly failing to follow any of the practical tenets of the faith in question required to be so "I am the vanguard of the revolution!" while manifestly failing to engage in effectual revolutionary activity and pushing away possible allies
apr 12, 2025, 2:01 am • 170 16 • view
These are a lot of young people, raised in evangelical culture if not thought, who have rebelled against their parents without fully disentangling from the basic foundations of that movement Like New Atheists before them
apr 12, 2025, 4:49 am • 11 0 • view
And on top of that, you have leftist organizers and thinkers that have been in the fight for years, have honest critiques and actual strategies that may or may not involve electoral politics, but see this pointed out and think you're talking about them when no, it's the newbies
apr 12, 2025, 4:49 am • 6 0 • view
Someone either smarter or with more time than me needs to start writing about this phenomenon, as I've seen it across social media platforms
apr 12, 2025, 4:49 am • 6 0 • view
I mean, buddy, if you check my posting history, it's something I write about an unreasonable amount
apr 12, 2025, 4:50 am • 4 0 • view
still staring at this one because goddamn you nailed it
apr 12, 2025, 2:01 am • 41 0 • view
I can't take credit for the whole package of insights, but, yeah, it really does seem to be what's going on sometimes Found Lenin/found Jesus crossover, complete with the bare-minimum exposure to the foundational texts
apr 12, 2025, 2:03 am • 37 2 • view
Every opposition is CIA-backed and fake except for ours
apr 12, 2025, 2:05 am • 26 1 • view
what's happening is the chilling impact of viciously anti-Palestinian policy *domestically* which was a result/risk of Trump's re-election absolutely no one in the scene seemed to consider in terms of their positioning even though it was telegraphed as much as the tariffs bsky.app/profile/rand...
apr 12, 2025, 6:57 am • 245 14 • view
people saying it would be more productive organizing under Trump - not when you're running for your lives you idiots
apr 12, 2025, 6:58 am • 233 16 • view
maybe it would be if we got Trump I again but it was blatantly clear this was going to be Trump without any restraint and an administration as brain-poisoned and evil as he is
apr 12, 2025, 6:59 am • 189 7 • view
like at the end of the day fuck joe biden to hell for making it genuinely hard to *make* a harm reduction case for an ongoing genocide but he doesn't matter anymore
apr 12, 2025, 7:01 am • 155 7 • view
if you say you would rather the current situation than trying to move the Democratic party on Palestine you are a fucking liar or a psychopath
apr 12, 2025, 7:04 am • 206 14 • view
So what did you do to try to stop Biden from supporting genocide? What did you do to stop the Harris campaign from saying they would do the same as Biden?
apr 12, 2025, 7:09 pm • 5 0 • view
They have no answer for this. Just "You can't pressure Trump!" yeah well we apparently couldn't fucking pressure Biden and Harris either, so we made the electoral threat and followed through. Now they're trying to blame us for them not believing us.
apr 12, 2025, 10:03 pm • 3 0 • view
Oh I know. The only"answers" I've gotten from this question are insults and blocks
apr 12, 2025, 10:23 pm • 3 0 • view
right now we have a genocide escalating by the day and not a single lever of power to pull. even if we vacuumed all the zionism out of schumer and jeffries by magic they couldn't do anything. as someone who does care about Palestinians I hate it here and you should too.
apr 12, 2025, 7:06 am • 188 13 • view
Keep posting, I'm sure you'll make sense eventually
apr 12, 2025, 11:25 pm • 6 0 • view
You sound really mad that may be why you can’t understand or remember anything.
apr 13, 2025, 1:03 am • 12 0 • view
I mean what if the decreasing power of those who hope to gain from it is an unavoidable effect of accellerationism
apr 12, 2025, 4:40 pm • 1 0 • view
The Democrats made it extremely clear to us in 2024 that even if they took/retained power, we would have no "lever of power" regarding Palestine. Now if the Democrats want to avoid a repeat in 2026 and 2028, their only option is to become an anti-racist, anti-genocide party. Or we'll do it again.
apr 12, 2025, 5:40 pm • 18 0 • view
And in the process condemned millions more via the elimination of USAID & PEPFAR. gg dumbfuck
apr 13, 2025, 6:07 pm • 4 0 • view
delusional. Trump's hated enough and crashing plains state's economies bad enough democrats might take the senate. the problem is the damage being done now, not the electoral appeal of the Trumpist GOP
apr 13, 2025, 6:09 am • 2 0 • view
You still wouldn't vote for them because you don't care about Gaza beyond giving you an excuse to stay at home help fascists win - you made things way worse for Palestine and celebrated it All you did was move the party rightwards because that's their only voter base left, which is what you wanted
apr 12, 2025, 5:59 pm • 7 1 • view
I agree. But apparently if you think that you’re racist or something I don’t know.
apr 12, 2025, 4:24 pm • 6 1 • view
Democrats are thoroughly bought and paid for by genocidal Zionists and you won't push them to do anything. You'll only compromise yourself going to them.
apr 14, 2025, 2:38 am • 0 0 • view
If it wasn’t for you ‘Genocide Joe’ hypocrites, then maybe Trump wouldn’t be in charge and actively cheering on genocide I never hear any of you talk shit about Trump, you’re all STILL blaming Biden, and a woman who never made policy decisions.
apr 14, 2025, 7:22 pm • 0 0 • view
Well said.
may 3, 2025, 4:48 am • 1 0 • view
You can be mad at his administration if you think he could have done more You can’t try and erase the fact that he was the most outspoken critic of Israel that’s ever been in the Oval But noooooooo, a WOMAN was a bridge too far. Instead, you help the white supremacist get elected. Cool
apr 14, 2025, 7:22 pm • 0 0 • view
One of these men made congressional approved deals conditional One of them told BB to “Finish the job” But thanks for everything you’ve done 🙄
apr 14, 2025, 7:22 pm • 0 0 • view
Damn that's crazy, maybe Harris should have promised to stop supporting the genocide so that she could win instead of lose.
apr 12, 2025, 10:00 pm • 3 0 • view
Or maybe you should've just fucking supported her, like a smart person?
apr 14, 2025, 2:54 am • 0 0 • view
Or maybe she should've just fucking not supported genocide, like someone who wants to win?
apr 14, 2025, 3:56 am • 0 0 • view
didn’t at least some of the activists admit that they didn’t protest Trump because doing so would have put them personally in real danger? People were thrilled when they could make the case for the “rational, single-issue Gaza voter,” but they’re back to genocide=genocide because what’s left?
apr 12, 2025, 5:19 pm • 1 0 • view
Biden was doing the viciously anti-Palestinian, anti-Muslim policy *domestically*. He was constantly calling anti-genocide protesters "anti-semitic". Biden built the house, Trump is just living in it.
apr 12, 2025, 10:00 pm • 5 0 • view
Was he kidnapping and deporting protestors, you fucking moron?
apr 14, 2025, 2:58 am • 0 0 • view
He was doing other things which were also unacceptable. It's funny how you people always place your red line precisely between what the Ds are doing and what the Rs are doing, post facto.
apr 14, 2025, 3:58 am • 1 0 • view
You refused to be guilted about genocide and now you're like "god I can't believe these leftists thought brown non-Americans are human beings"
apr 12, 2025, 9:58 pm • 6 0 • view
Before we can defeat our enemies we must first defeat our allies!
apr 12, 2025, 11:38 am • 16 0 • view
Genociders are not my allies
apr 12, 2025, 11:43 pm • 4 0 • view
This is your core value, offering token resistance in the form of platitudes while pretending the rest of us lack object permanence.
apr 13, 2025, 2:08 am • 1 0 • view
We warned you that supporting genocide would lead to this and you decided that killing another 10,000 children was a good idea.
apr 12, 2025, 9:57 pm • 5 0 • view
This is the thing to me. Whatever you say about 2020 (and even 2016), the fact is that Bernie was trying to win over a populace and infrastructure that was initially against him and failed. You have to win! You can't just convince yourself of your correctness, you gotta turn that into Ws
apr 12, 2025, 4:23 am • 25 1 • view
At the end of the day you can either enact policy with the mandate of the majority or over it. Doing it the former way usually requires compromises and deals that make you feel bad. But it tends to be better than doing it the latter way.
apr 12, 2025, 4:25 am • 17 1 • view
Not when it comes to capitulating to a fascist dictator. Which is what all this dem budding up has brought to us. They showed us they only care about money and power, and now as a result we are all fucked.
apr 13, 2025, 2:30 pm • 0 0 • view
"You have to win! You can't just convince yourself of your correctness, you gotta turn that into Ws" the entire thread from the OP is doing exactly this. did they win? did their "pragmatism" and GOP-courting produce a W?
apr 12, 2025, 3:50 pm • 4 0 • view
You're a complete dumb fuck if you believe this revisionist bullshit
apr 12, 2025, 3:54 pm • 4 0 • view
People who said they support Bernie because of Medicare for All but didn't care if Trump won and the ACA got repealed or Medicaid got cut are an extremely common type and utterly baffling.
apr 12, 2025, 1:20 pm • 4 0 • view
My guess is that they used M4A as some gold standard Democrats could never live up to. I genuinely think a lot of them support Bernie bc he gives them an excuse for the bigotry of their family members. They ride nowhere near as hard for Walz or AOC as they do Bernie, and I think that’s the reason.
apr 12, 2025, 2:52 pm • 4 0 • view
The notion that there are a huge electorate of untapped and unactivated socialists just waiting for that special candidate out there is another infuriating thing. Like, there isn't a Trotskyite in Allentown Pennsylvania just waiting for that leftist candidate.
apr 12, 2025, 2:11 am • 65 5 • view
I hope I helped disabuse a lefty friend of mine by pointing out that my trailer park's signage was 5 to 1 in favor of Trump over Harris and asking what these people understood that I, a Harris voter, did not
apr 12, 2025, 3:09 am • 23 1 • view
You have to make it stark and put them in the untenable position of defending Trump voters. It's interesting to see who is willing to do it and who won't
apr 12, 2025, 3:15 am • 23 2 • view
I think a lot of them have conservative family members and don’t want to admit that they voted for Trump bc they love his bigotry. So they invent some grievance politics that proposes that their family members are desperate enough to tear it all down, rather than putting bigotry over class interest.
apr 12, 2025, 2:47 pm • 2 0 • view
yeah like the idea that a blue collar white guy in rural PA or WI is just waiting for a conversation with a guy from the internet to realize he's really a communist shouldn't have survived contact with 2020--not with the dem primary results nor with the general election results
apr 12, 2025, 2:24 am • 39 2 • view
It was amazing to see so many Bernie supporters convince themselves that Warren, Klobuchar, and Buttigieg dastardly took out poor old Bernie and ignoring that when it came down to just two men, voters clearly preferred Biden
apr 12, 2025, 4:38 am • 21 1 • view
at least the narodniki had the excuse that they didn't have the example of to learn from
apr 12, 2025, 8:10 am • 0 0 • view
there is apparently not a polite Trump-hating Republican just waiting for the most compromising Dem to come along either
apr 12, 2025, 3:42 pm • 5 0 • view
Bernie crushed Clinton in the 2016 primary with working class & rural white male voters. Biden crushed Bernie in 2020 with working class and rural white male voters. There's a common theme there but it's not supporting the liquidation of the Kulaks.
apr 12, 2025, 2:41 am • 29 3 • view
Bernie won Nevada, which is in many ways a bellwether state for Democrats. A great indicator of how strong a Democrat can ne nationwide. The DNC decided to declare South Carolina the deciding state, and the rest was history.
apr 12, 2025, 4:27 pm • 3 0 • view