Okay, I’ll bite. What is this “Abundance” thing people keep talking about and why does it elicit such strong feelings?
Replies
Imagine writing a book that pitches itself as THE ANSWER, but lacks any analysis of race, class, gender, or basically anything in 2025 America, yet has a lot of time for scolding liberals for things that annoyed them living in DC and LA.
aug 19, 2025, 7:50 am • 4 0 • view
A book that Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson made that was more or less expanding YIMBYism to a monocausal issue, which made a lot of people who were already pretty-anti YIMBY mad.
aug 18, 2025, 9:44 pm • 22 2 • view
Importantly, it also made the pro-YIMBYs mad because those two have spent a fair amount of time leftpunching in areas that don't even ostensibly relate to the premise at all, such as trans rights, which means the whole thing has been an obstacle on the broader trend of leftwing YIMBY acceptance.
aug 18, 2025, 10:52 pm • 17 3 • view
"CAN WE PLEASE JUST THROW TRANS AND IMMIGRANTS UNDER THE BUS AND FOCUS ON BUILDING SUPERTRAINS... PLEASE!?"
aug 19, 2025, 4:37 pm • 1 0 • view
It's the flashy arch rival of Scarcity, which, by all indications, is set for a big comeback with the tariffs kicking in.
aug 19, 2025, 1:17 am • 4 0 • view
people annoyed by the abundance of shitty quarterbacks on the cleveland browns
aug 18, 2025, 9:55 pm • 9 0 • view
getting outflanked on the left for a sack and an eight-yard loss
aug 18, 2025, 10:04 pm • 1 0 • view
With enough reactors, fuel for which we have in abundance, if built along the Canadian and Mexican borders, could build enough power for every human on the planet and then some. Those reactors, connected to trolleys and trains, means free travel and light for all mankind. We have the technology.
aug 19, 2025, 10:35 pm • 0 0 • view
Some centrists decided to sell yimbyism/supply side progressivism to the center right and it’s just made the discourse about it more annoying
aug 19, 2025, 1:42 am • 2 0 • view
It's a sociopolitical movement predicated on the breeding of giant bunns, and on having them abunndantly
aug 18, 2025, 9:49 pm • 98 6 • view
I read somewhere that the largest rabbits are constrained by the smallest deer.
aug 18, 2025, 9:54 pm • 2 0 • view
Omg they get that big??😆
aug 19, 2025, 12:00 am • 0 0 • view
Ok well now I'm on board
aug 19, 2025, 3:58 am • 2 0 • view
them's good eatin
aug 18, 2025, 9:50 pm • 22 0 • view
Them's STEWIN' rabbits!
aug 18, 2025, 10:44 pm • 6 0 • view
but have you got a FRICASS- I mean, STEWIN' license?
aug 18, 2025, 10:47 pm • 4 0 • view
You can take my STEWIN' rabbit when you pry it from my cold dead hands, FEDERALES!
aug 18, 2025, 10:49 pm • 5 0 • view
alright boys, GRILL him!
aug 18, 2025, 10:50 pm • 3 0 • view
Well, it was around about THAT time that the Cottontail boys lit out in the General Lepus and took Sheriff Woundwort on a wild chase!
aug 18, 2025, 11:04 pm • 4 1 • view
I want one.
aug 19, 2025, 10:33 pm • 0 0 • view
They like big bunns, and they cannot lie…? … … I’ll get my coat.
aug 18, 2025, 9:57 pm • 7 0 • view
As I understand it it's centrists claiming that we should do Clintonite triangulation
aug 18, 2025, 9:40 pm • 2 0 • view
It is not.
aug 18, 2025, 9:43 pm • 5 0 • view
Clintonite triangulation: when you want to build housing and green energy
aug 18, 2025, 9:41 pm • 23 0 • view
i think part of the reason it gets such strong reactions is no ones talking about the same things. theres 1) yimbyism + green energy 2) trojan horse for thiel/yarvin/collison/manhattan institute/heritage policies and then anti abundance is A) leftist affect nimbyism B) people sketched out by 2)
aug 19, 2025, 12:13 am • 31 2 • view
and then theres mixing between the groups, like people sketched out by all the reactionaries funding it then adopting anti housing policy preferences etc
aug 19, 2025, 12:15 am • 13 1 • view
Barely even a Trojan horse at this point bsky.app/profile/notl...
aug 19, 2025, 12:17 am • 0 0 • view
www.abundancedc.org/speakers
aug 19, 2025, 12:18 am • 0 0 • view
Except none of the people mentioned in 2 are talking about abundance.
aug 24, 2025, 4:25 am • 1 0 • view
i mean collison literally set up like $120mm in grants for abundance movement stuff to coincide with the books release, thiel put up 1mm for this or last years con. those guys arent jumping on it like josh barro is, they/the orgs are very much a part of it
aug 24, 2025, 4:37 am • 6 0 • view
a huge swath of the Abundance Agenda is tainted by association with the Ecomodernist Manifesto and its discontents, several of whom have moved in distinctly fashy directions (Shellenberger most notably) and several others of whom are borderline climate deniers.
aug 19, 2025, 1:06 am • 6 1 • view
So Mamdani is tainted?
aug 24, 2025, 3:10 am • 0 0 • view
Don't pancakes post. I did not mention him at all.
aug 24, 2025, 4:18 am • 1 0 • view
Mamdani is kind of on the abundance train...
aug 24, 2025, 4:24 am • 0 0 • view
"abundance" is literally part of the framing of Ecomodernism and it is not currently clear how the new framers are separating themselves from it. So they get tarred by association.
aug 19, 2025, 1:07 am • 1 0 • view
The people in 2) aren’t talking about things like up-zoning, expansion of public transit, and a big push on green energy. They want to preserve lily-white suburbs against the invasion of brown and black people.
aug 19, 2025, 6:28 am • 0 0 • view
Giving up on civil rights to focus purely on economic messaging is literally clintonite triangulation yes. They're doing a 2020s version of "it's the economy, stupid"
aug 18, 2025, 9:44 pm • 1 0 • view
Seems to me you're putting words in people's mouths as part of some anti-housing, fossil fuels agenda We need to cut out cancerous NIMBYs and make the world better.
aug 18, 2025, 9:50 pm • 9 0 • view
Have you heard me utter a single nimby thing thus far this conversation? The problem with the matty style abundance liberalism is that they are explicitly saying we should not focus on discrimination of minorities, there is literally nothing wrong with building grain power plants or more housing.
aug 18, 2025, 9:52 pm • 0 0 • view
if it was just housing and green energy Thompson would not have gone on Hanania's podcast lmfao
aug 19, 2025, 12:17 am • 2 0 • view
I don't know but there sure is a lot of it
aug 19, 2025, 10:12 pm • 0 0 • view
It's a proposed government solution to many problems that maintains capitalism instead of destroying it. It also posits that some regulations have stymied our ability to solve these problems and should be selectively rolled back or paused to allow for fixes.
aug 19, 2025, 12:29 pm • 2 0 • view
Abundance is going on the podcasts of people Bluesky has declared persona non grata
aug 18, 2025, 10:36 pm • 7 0 • view
Abundance elicits strong feelings because the people behind it are fundamentally the people that led the Democratic Party into chaos and disarray. They need to be fired.
aug 18, 2025, 9:53 pm • 6 0 • view
Good ol' Bill Clinton signed the legislation that made it illegal for the Federal Gov't to own public housing projects. Equally guilty as Reagan for creating the "homelessness crisis" with his welfare reform. People are unhoused because of a lack of money, not a lack of housing.
aug 19, 2025, 10:36 pm • 0 0 • view
Imagine a book where Ezra Klein proclaims himself King of the YIMBYs and then just kind of says a bunch of stuff some libertarians told him on a podcast sometime.
aug 18, 2025, 9:56 pm • 141 6 • view
It’s complicated because he has a lot of correct facts but the overall narrative sandwich is politically off base, filled with a lot of weird little grievances, and removed from what a lot of real world YIMBYs think and believe
aug 18, 2025, 9:59 pm • 42 2 • view
And another follow!
aug 18, 2025, 11:43 pm • 0 0 • view
that's mostly it, nobody needs another term when YIMBYism is right there
aug 18, 2025, 10:12 pm • 14 0 • view
yeah, it’s basically associating yimbyism with right-coded rhetoric for no reason?
aug 19, 2025, 4:01 am • 15 0 • view
what if instead of yimbyism, which has specifically cultivated a brand which would be palatable to blue city+state governments over a decade, we rebrand ourselves by our association to right leaning tech oligarchs and libertarians
aug 19, 2025, 4:03 am • 20 0 • view
I worry yall either didn’t read the book, listen to any of the interviews or podcasts bc respectfully wtf are yall talking about bc every thing you said is wrong
aug 19, 2025, 4:07 am • 3 0 • view
Yes I read this book. It was a very slow read because every other little paragraph had something in it that was like "does he not know about X?"
aug 19, 2025, 4:35 am • 11 0 • view
Also YIMBYism is specifically about housing; Abundance is much more expansive!!
aug 19, 2025, 4:10 am • 3 0 • view
Yeah I mean there are also Derek Thomson's little science screed that was just kind of tacked on for page count or whatever. The result being that "abundance" went from being about one thing to now being about two things (wow) and i'm sure whatever else they decide is a good policy in the future
aug 19, 2025, 4:46 am • 8 0 • view
sorry I skipped Derek Thompson going on hanania's podcast lmfao
aug 19, 2025, 4:51 am • 1 0 • view
And that earns a follow!
aug 18, 2025, 11:42 pm • 2 0 • view
I’m gonna be straight up, Abundance is the way better term.
aug 19, 2025, 4:03 am • 3 0 • view
Abundance being the word used by Musk and Andreesen lends it a lot of harmful ambiguity in terms of forgetting that externalities exist. For me YIMBYism means specific things and people/movements and it matters what those things are and who is in those movements.
aug 19, 2025, 4:40 am • 10 1 • view
Yeah ngl abundance is omnicausal which limits the sort of coalition you can build out of it.
aug 19, 2025, 4:59 am • 5 1 • view
But isn’t the idea broader than housing? It’s the same view of liberal economic policy I’ve always had - let’s make sure that we have so much of everything we can meet people’s needs instead of fighting over scarce needs.
aug 19, 2025, 4:51 am • 2 0 • view
Well, I suppose so, but that's why I think of it as trying to sell supply side economics as left-wing, with an implicit assumption that market actors will overproduce and drive themselves out of business for some reason
aug 19, 2025, 1:24 pm • 0 0 • view
The leftist theory of housing describes a housing market that behaves like no other commodity market in the history, including the actual existing housing market
aug 19, 2025, 1:35 pm • 3 0 • view
"just get rid of regulations and the price of the durable commodity will go to zero" describes nothing useful
aug 19, 2025, 1:42 pm • 0 0 • view
That's true but I don't think anyone is saying the price would go to zero? Housing is inherently expensive - it's expensive to make and expensive to maintain. The idea is let's not make it MORE expensive via regulations that distort usage. Single family zoning makes houses more expensive.
aug 19, 2025, 1:46 pm • 2 0 • view
Okay cool nobody said the market would reduce the price to zero.
aug 19, 2025, 1:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Oh no I’m not saying the movement is good, just that they stole a march on the branding
aug 19, 2025, 8:04 pm • 0 0 • view
I’ve been looking for someone with a display name like yours to ask a question to. My sense is that abundance is a conscious effort to subordinate Yimbyism, and its attendant energy, to dem factionalism. It’s also looks like an attempt to corner “highly educated, urban renter class”. Agree at all?
aug 19, 2025, 7:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Also Klein is maybe in a thruple with Bari Weiss. That is the sum total of my knowledge of Abundance
aug 19, 2025, 4:39 am • 85 1 • view
What
aug 19, 2025, 4:45 am • 7 0 • view
Don't encourage him
aug 19, 2025, 4:45 am • 4 0 • view
Gross.
aug 19, 2025, 4:48 am • 4 0 • view
aug 19, 2025, 5:00 am • 0 0 • view
EZRA KLEIN IS ALLEGEDLY IN A THRUPLE WITH BARI WEISS
aug 19, 2025, 4:46 am • 6 1 • view
Someone I know irl recently described Bari Weiss as “the one who the internet says was in a throuple with Ira Glass”, and I was like “don’t you mean Ezra Klein” and we looked it up and it turned out the internet says both
aug 19, 2025, 4:49 am • 51 1 • view
This was when we were hanging out with another family and we were talking about this dumb shit with my wife and her husband, neither of whom follow any of this, and the whole conversation was embarrassing
aug 19, 2025, 4:51 am • 31 0 • view
Never show your (online) power level.
aug 19, 2025, 5:08 am • 2 0 • view
Mortifying, honestly, I feel bad for you now
aug 19, 2025, 4:52 am • 21 0 • view
Always embarassing when you're talking about threesomes with your wife's husband.
aug 19, 2025, 5:18 am • 6 0 • view
I’m sorry I thought this was bluesky
aug 19, 2025, 5:28 am • 10 0 • view
Ira Glass got involved because he picked the dog that tries to murder him every day and can only eat ever more exotic meats over his marriage
aug 19, 2025, 5:22 am • 2 0 • view
aug 19, 2025, 4:41 am • 84 0 • view
Look I didn't say 'here's some information you'll really be thankful I passed on'
aug 19, 2025, 4:42 am • 65 0 • view
Are we sure that Bari, Bethany and Chaya aren’t all from the same mycelium?
aug 19, 2025, 8:10 am • 1 0 • view
Millennials, inventing new ways of having a midlife crisis every year
aug 19, 2025, 12:55 pm • 11 0 • view
What else are we supposed to be doing
aug 19, 2025, 1:03 pm • 2 0 • view
In my day you just had a throuple with Courtney Love or David Spade. None of THIS nonsense.
aug 19, 2025, 12:56 pm • 6 0 • view
Bari Weiss does kinda have Love/Spade energy...
aug 19, 2025, 1:26 pm • 4 0 • view
Da Strap God Weiss.
aug 19, 2025, 4:47 am • 1 0 • view
aug 19, 2025, 4:44 am • 7 0 • view
This is why everything is so stupid, in a nutshell.
aug 19, 2025, 4:43 am • 6 0 • view
¡abundancia!
aug 19, 2025, 4:48 am • 0 0 • view
lolwut Cursed knowledge LB. I’m now sad at myself that I understand everything in that sentence.
aug 19, 2025, 6:41 pm • 3 0 • view
thanks, I hate it
aug 19, 2025, 4:52 am • 1 0 • view
‘Abundance’ is what he calls his hog
aug 19, 2025, 4:50 am • 8 0 • view
More like “throwuple” 🤮🤮🤮🤮
aug 19, 2025, 4:47 am • 27 0 • view
Everyone, go home! This wins the internet today.
aug 19, 2025, 12:59 pm • 3 0 • view
Ok but imagine there were a ton of leftist organizers doing work under that brand for years and then all of the sudden some contrarian centrist comes along and ruins the brand.
aug 19, 2025, 10:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Basically it’s “how to actually have govt deliver to the people to improve ppl lives” and goes after rules and structures that prevent govt from efficiently and effectively delivering public goods So it’s about housing restrictions, why it takes the US so much longer & more money to build transit
aug 19, 2025, 4:10 am • 4 0 • view
Left libertarianism with all the magical thinking the phrase implies
aug 19, 2025, 4:47 am • 2 0 • view
And so much more And ppl get upset bc they either don’t know or want to know what Ezra is talking about and want to pretend it’s neoliberalism despite AOC and Zohran being Abundance politicians
aug 19, 2025, 4:10 am • 2 1 • view
3 main categories: 1. activists and electeds pushing pro-housing and pro-growth policy at state/local level 2. a book by Klein and Thompson that is someone related to 1 3. meta-commentary on 2 that is generally unmoored from 1
aug 18, 2025, 10:06 pm • 46 4 • view
somewhat*
aug 18, 2025, 10:07 pm • 3 0 • view
When you are in group 1 and want group 3 to look at group 1 and not 2….
aug 18, 2025, 11:11 pm • 15 0 • view
yeah i sidestep most abundance discourse because it is laughably untethered from action on the ground it feels like Plato’s Cave to me
aug 18, 2025, 11:40 pm • 15 0 • view
i think they have made a pretty solid point of punching left and kissing right so it's not entirely without substance
aug 19, 2025, 4:00 am • 16 0 • view
Yeah, there’s a real attempt to disconnect these ideas from the left included here, which I find frustrating, as someone who thinks YIMBYism is good and is on the left. bsky.app/profile/pseu...
aug 19, 2025, 5:32 pm • 2 1 • view
There are some nuanced cases to critique left on YIMBY/abundance (degrowthers, left-NIMBYs, navelgazers) but yeah the big pundits aren’t being that deliberate.
aug 19, 2025, 4:12 pm • 1 0 • view
This is true and at the same time, in the cities and suburbs where the biggest need for housing exists, it is Democrats in charge. That said, it’s really about entrenched interests preserving a status quo that isn’t working for more and more people, and that should be the focus rather than party.
aug 19, 2025, 5:49 am • 8 0 • view
And there are definitely examples of blue state cities that are trying to do good things with housing policy like Minneapolis-St. Paul. But one of the best things blue states could do to help give themselves more power is to build housing like crazy so more people move there.
aug 19, 2025, 5:55 am • 14 0 • view
i agree, i just also do not at all think the tack they took where they tried to position their version of yimby as not yimby because yimby is left and left is bad was ... ahh ... a choice
aug 19, 2025, 5:57 am • 12 0 • view
Definitely. My hope is that people understand that despite the bad messaging from people that want to use YIMBY as a way to punch at the left, we should want to stop endless suburban/exurb sprawl and instead build denser communities with better access to transit and amenities.
aug 19, 2025, 6:04 am • 6 0 • view
We don’t have to “Manhattanize” everything. We can add housing so that communities can grow naturally instead of stagnating while the next subdivision down the road gets built, along with all the extra infrastructure that has to be paid for as a result.
aug 19, 2025, 6:12 am • 7 0 • view
Some of the housing policies that Jerusalem has promoted are wildly naive. Unless I’m missing something she seemed to argue build housing for wealthy people and it will release housing for poor people. LA is a prime example for that not working. What’s worked here, thanks to our Governor, is…
aug 18, 2025, 11:16 pm • 1 0 • view
I was told this. And Im growing frustrated. Cause I think this only works out if you have a much healthier market than the entire west coast has.
aug 18, 2025, 11:21 pm • 1 0 • view
You were told build housing for the wealthy and it will open up housing for the poor? Is that what you heard?
aug 18, 2025, 11:23 pm • 1 0 • view
I’m asking because I read that the abundance people are arguing that and it is one of the most ridiculous concepts I’ve ever heard.
aug 18, 2025, 11:25 pm • 0 0 • view
The issue is California legit does not build anything. California is so bad that the on ironically have to build quadruple the amount of units just to keep up with literally just tech Brose California. Is that well successful it’s why it’s becoming Richard and Richard because all the poor people are
aug 18, 2025, 11:29 pm • 9 0 • view
Maybe something has changed, but for quite sometime, LA had a glut of luxury condos(maybe during the pandemic?) and then a huge homeless population. It didn’t create housing for poor people. Surely, there are a multitude of zoning issues in CA, but just building for wealthy people did not work.
aug 18, 2025, 11:34 pm • 1 0 • view
something that may have misled you is that "vacancy" does not mean long-term vacant units. Usually - for rentals, 75% and for-sale, 58% of units are vacant for *less than 6 months*. That's simply the time it takes for units to change hands and be remodeled. They're not off-market or "empty", really
aug 18, 2025, 11:40 pm • 4 0 • view
publish.obsidian.md/jortscity/po... This page has the relevant tables for vacancy duration, nationally, by rent and for-sale, and also links you to the Census page with additional tables if you want to peruse by states or specific metro areas- it has those.
aug 18, 2025, 11:41 pm • 1 0 • view
LA does not have a glut of “luxury condos”, nor was that true during COVID. The city downzoned in 1986 (Prop U) and affordability has gone downhill since
aug 18, 2025, 11:36 pm • 5 0 • view
Go back and search “glut” “luxury condos” around 2019/2020. They most certainly did. At least on the rental side. It was quite a story.
aug 18, 2025, 11:44 pm • 0 0 • view
You can’t gaslight me shit boxes in Compton are going for 3/4 of $1 million Long Beach is that high
aug 18, 2025, 11:37 pm • 3 0 • view
We don’t even build enough for the wealthy, much less everybody else. That’s the entire problem!
aug 18, 2025, 11:38 pm • 4 0 • view
Now don’t get me wrong, exurban gated communities are probably the slums of the distant future, but that’s not a good thing.
aug 18, 2025, 11:27 pm • 0 0 • view
It has been a thing for a while and I have been in the discourse for YIMBY for ummm since 2019. My definition of rich people doesn’t help my perception.
aug 18, 2025, 11:30 pm • 1 0 • view
Rich starts at 60k for me. 30k is middle class. And it doesn’t matter if true. Its about relativity to myself and how I see money.
aug 18, 2025, 11:33 pm • 1 0 • view
I make 13k combined with my partner. Not including snap and healthcare through medicaid which I can’t use for rent unless I went through a medical housing program. Its been really messed up watching people claimed 100k isnt rich. So I feel polarized to label rich as affording an apartment alone.
aug 18, 2025, 11:40 pm • 0 0 • view
Anyway, you are right to be skeptical. Have you ever heard of the kind of housing where they set aside a certain percentage of rentals need to be affordable income? After about 10 years, that phases out in many cases. And I’ve seen landlords evict for minor things to get market rate tenants.
aug 18, 2025, 11:31 pm • 0 0 • view
Its so bad on the west coast… we will accept any deal I think…
aug 18, 2025, 11:32 pm • 1 0 • view
Well, that’s why I really like my states accessory housing law. These backyard houses by law can only be so big, about 900 square feet. Less costly, more efficient.
aug 18, 2025, 11:36 pm • 0 0 • view
A statewide law allowing accessory houses, provided you don’t tear them down right before sale, & a statewide law that towns with commuter rail have to allow multi family housing within a 1/2 mile of the MBTA. That’s 177 communities. Some zoning is made to be broken but its not as easy as no zoning.
aug 18, 2025, 11:22 pm • 0 0 • view
I live in a garage that is definitely illegal to live in and am not a strong reader but the daughter if a code enforcer so my various living situations have been…. Well I can see the last two places I lived are not up to code. I know enough…
aug 18, 2025, 11:28 pm • 0 0 • view
Deregulation of building and housing laws passed off as some kind of great boon to people. It was invented by a couple of pedophiles who fuck babies to death.
aug 19, 2025, 5:17 am • 1 0 • view
The Abundance Gospel movement is a Christo-Fascist white nationalist thing ... they believe God wants white men to be powerful and rich. It's a big part of the underpinning of the whole tech bros/oligarchy thing. They preach that if you're poor or "unsuccessful," it's because God wants you to be.
aug 18, 2025, 11:25 pm • 4 1 • view
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosper...
aug 18, 2025, 11:26 pm • 2 2 • view
The theology of Pedos!
aug 19, 2025, 10:22 pm • 1 1 • view
A lot of people say a lot about what the book supposedly says who didn’t actually read it. I read it. The general thesis is for things to get better we need to have enough supply of the stuff we need, and we often hobble government’s capacity to actually build these things.
aug 19, 2025, 1:22 am • 22 0 • view
It is kind of a pity they never address monopolies. The impression I've got off the book is that it's a very good look at 1/3 of the problem.
aug 19, 2025, 10:42 pm • 1 0 • view
That’s fair. I think they wanted to talk about something the rest of their peers weren’t already writing about. There’s a ton of good books on modern monopolies already. One implicit anti-monopoly argument the book has is that it’s a lot harder to keep a monopoly on something that isn’t scarce.
aug 19, 2025, 11:11 pm • 3 0 • view
Thus causing the monopolist's priority to be keeping it scarce. And active opposition is a bigger issue than misguided policy. Even or especially when it's kinda the same issue.
aug 20, 2025, 3:06 am • 1 0 • view
Most importantly zoning, which in American cities often prohibits anything other than single family homes, and helps landlords keep a monopoly over housing. So they make shit loads of money and we have to pay more since it’s now an artificially scarce commodity
aug 19, 2025, 1:25 am • 17 0 • view
Why does it elicit strong feelings? I think it kinda varies. But again, ask them if they’ve actually read it or are just saying what they heard it says. I support almost all of what the book says because I’m a progressive and want the government to be able to build a better country for its people.
aug 19, 2025, 1:34 am • 3 0 • view
One part that kinda gets glossed over is the scientific research section. They focus on some of the great medical advances like penicillin, mRNA vaccines, and ozempic. These wouldn’t have happened if government weren’t willing to fund a bunch of weird sounding stuff that might not work.
aug 19, 2025, 1:29 am • 19 0 • view
I haven’t read it, but I have seen people saying that they advocate for more state capacity around building things like transit and rail similar to the way other countries do this, which would probably be good for the US.
aug 19, 2025, 6:16 am • 3 0 • view
Basically an attempt at liberal developmentalism, some of its advocates happen to go for a deregulationist angle which understandably draws some ire
aug 18, 2025, 9:43 pm • 6 2 • view
Like “effective altruism”, a pretty good idea in principle, quickly adopted as an aesthetic by professional contrarians so now we’re just arguing about their dumb takes instead of the original point someone was trying to make (“Liberalism should stand for creating more for everybody”)
aug 18, 2025, 10:17 pm • 24 3 • view
Lots of the issue boils down to 2 issues: 1. Abundance is a magnet for contrarians, and there's a lot of people who don't particularly have very good takes outside of abundance. 2. (Less flatteringly) Because lots of left-wing people simply don't want to accept the truths economics has found.
aug 18, 2025, 11:35 pm • 7 1 • view
People hate change. The rest just seem to hate Ezra Klein's voice.
aug 19, 2025, 10:37 am • 0 0 • view
The *real* actual answer, which I think you can tell is correct from the general tenor of the replies you got, is: the newest form in which the 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary is being refought.
aug 19, 2025, 3:37 am • 2 0 • view
It's an attempted solution to the problem of shelter costs, however, to people who aren't brought into the program, it looks like deregulation in a new coat of paint.
aug 19, 2025, 4:27 am • 3 0 • view
So abundance effectively is saying instead of having to worry about direct state investment is encouraging high levels of building everything so we have active oversupply which will reduce costs
aug 18, 2025, 11:28 pm • 6 1 • view
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6V6...
aug 18, 2025, 11:43 pm • 0 0 • view
wow, that was an unexpected nostalgic smack in the face
aug 19, 2025, 1:12 am • 1 0 • view
I have once again been tweeted back to 1992, thank you very much 😂 (It's a good plate pattern!)
aug 19, 2025, 8:07 am • 1 0 • view
...yeeted. not tweeted. autocorrect why are you like this
aug 19, 2025, 4:15 pm • 1 0 • view
A bun dances.
aug 18, 2025, 9:40 pm • 6 0 • view
A confederacy of bun-dunces
aug 18, 2025, 9:42 pm • 5 0 • view
Tell me about the rabbits, Ignatius
aug 18, 2025, 11:17 pm • 0 0 • view
In my opinion it's a New Age way to make acquisition of material things seem like a spiritual goal.
aug 19, 2025, 10:44 pm • 0 0 • view
It was a book written by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson that tried to lay out a coherent thesis for what liberal policy making should emphasize while trying to fix liberal tendencies that thwart their goals. But it's also viewed as a positional battle to rehabilitate Centrists by punching left.
aug 18, 2025, 9:42 pm • 43 1 • view
thank you for an actual and concise answer
aug 19, 2025, 1:11 am • 14 0 • view
Yes. Thank you.
aug 19, 2025, 10:23 pm • 1 0 • view
Yimbys elitists who identify some problems but think that "doge" style pushing state capacity into a woodchipper is the answer.
aug 19, 2025, 4:50 am • 1 0 • view
Near as I can tell:
aug 19, 2025, 4:48 am • 0 0 • view
There are bad messengers talking about it, but building more housing in blue states to make them more affordable so even more people want to live there is a good thing, and so is making it easier to build things like public transit and green energy infrastructure.
aug 19, 2025, 6:56 am • 4 0 • view
Fully automated luxury communism, but we act like moderates instead of marxists (which is legit since part of the argument is that we don't need to guillotine anyone to make it happen)
aug 18, 2025, 9:40 pm • 10 1 • view
In practice this amounts to things like "we could build a lot of affordable apartment housing in big cities and it would supercharge the downtown economy" or "new technology is Good, Actually, and we should go the distance on solar/wind/(sometimes) nuclear power"
aug 18, 2025, 10:05 pm • 7 1 • view
I'm a notional supporter of this agenda because I think the concept is objectively correct. "Produce more stuff with (relatively) less work" isn't the be all and end all of the human struggle, but I do think it's a lot of it. It's really great to not be a medieval subsistence farmer!
aug 18, 2025, 10:05 pm • 9 1 • view
But it does need to be an AGENDA: you don't get reforms on accident, innovation takes work. In most cities in America it's illegal to build a house I could afford to live in. This does not help me or the city, but it won't change unless someone runs for office and makes it change.
aug 18, 2025, 10:05 pm • 9 1 • view
A lot of the arguments around this aren't really *about* this. Some leftists argue it's a way to talk about helping poor people without challenging racism & structural inequality. That can be true! But even though Ozempic doesn't fix food deserts, it's nice for people who live in them!
aug 18, 2025, 10:05 pm • 6 1 • view
Others say it's a way for gutless wannabe technocrats (Yglesias) to do more Kitchen Table Issues and avoid confronting Trumpian fascism. This is also true, but it doesn't make the concepts wrong.
aug 18, 2025, 10:05 pm • 7 1 • view
Solid way to frame this w/ this & the previous reply!
aug 18, 2025, 10:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Agreed. This shouldn’t be about Yggy/Klein/Thompson or any other person, but about what kind of urban/suburban spaces and infrastructure we want to create. We can keep building endless sprawl, or we can start to work towards something different.
aug 19, 2025, 6:23 am • 0 0 • view
If you want an actual introduction I'd recommend watching some of the Not Just Bikes/Strong Towns urbanism channels. "We could do everything better and it would also be easier, faster, cheaper, safer, greener and more fun" is the kind of pitch you see with abundance.
aug 18, 2025, 10:05 pm • 9 1 • view
It’s just ‘too much’. We all know what this means. We just respond to it differently. Some like too much and then some, and others place a cap on it.
aug 18, 2025, 10:28 pm • 1 1 • view
"Abundance" is the name of a horse that escaped the Kentucky Derby and has gone on a five state rampage where it kicks local millionaires in the head and runs off people can't agree if it's a hero or a villain
aug 18, 2025, 9:39 pm • 50 3 • view
aug 21, 2025, 12:28 am • 0 0 • view
You still have time to save yourself. Disconnect. Delete your account. Mute the words "Ezra Klein". There's still hope.
aug 18, 2025, 9:39 pm • 27 1 • view
There's a number of reasons to mute that!
aug 18, 2025, 11:32 pm • 2 0 • view
Evergreen skeet
aug 18, 2025, 11:44 pm • 3 0 • view
What HSR path is this?
aug 19, 2025, 1:22 am • 0 0 • view
abundance means a lot of things *rimshot*
aug 18, 2025, 9:47 pm • 65 2 • view
“Abundance” is centrists explaining why you should love billionaires and throw trans people under the bus to get people who love billionaires elected.
aug 18, 2025, 9:41 pm • 13 2 • view
Well, I'm 2% less confused than I was before you posted this thread, so thanks! I'm either for it or against it, depending which definition is in play...whee!
aug 19, 2025, 8:11 am • 3 1 • view
It's "supply-side progressive policies" since Dems have focused exclusively on demand-side for decades. I'm excited about it if only because I never want to see another proposed non-refundable tax credit. Such weak sauce. Build shit and put your name on it!
aug 18, 2025, 10:03 pm • 13 0 • view
It's when you say that maybe instead of infinitely subsidizing demand, the state should either subsidize/produce its own supply and/or repeal the laws banning it from producing for itself.
aug 18, 2025, 11:33 pm • 5 1 • view
Because of Ancestors Beliefs About Money.
aug 19, 2025, 10:43 pm • 0 0 • view
I want to ask the same question because I keep seeing it but never bothered to find out what it is
aug 19, 2025, 5:30 am • 2 0 • view
It's somebody who wrote a book and trying to start a cult. Do. Not. Want.
aug 19, 2025, 10:22 pm • 0 0 • view
"Abundance" is word that sounds nice so people rebrand their policies as it to make it sound popular (plot twist: some of these policies are actually good)
aug 19, 2025, 3:37 pm • 0 0 • view
Far as I can tell its YIMBYism being co-opted by Ezra Klein and people like him for thier own policy desires.
aug 19, 2025, 12:19 am • 3 1 • view
Ok, thank you for asking this because...I haven't really been able to get much context.
aug 19, 2025, 4:57 am • 0 0 • view
Its a rebrand of the same failed third way clintonism the Dems have been trying to get to stick for like 30 years.
aug 19, 2025, 1:29 am • 0 0 • view
People want an abundance of posting
aug 18, 2025, 9:40 pm • 17 0 • view
everyone thought the bit in Furiosa where Dementus couldn't define it was funny and the whole thing kinda got out of hand
aug 18, 2025, 9:40 pm • 25 0 • view
It took me a moment to remember that's not the movie with the "that's bait" moment, and by extension that this wasn't a very dry bit
aug 18, 2025, 10:50 pm • 11 0 • view
I appreciate that you think I could be that clever
aug 18, 2025, 11:11 pm • 8 0 • view
Buns are for eating, not for dancing, dammit
aug 18, 2025, 9:48 pm • 1 1 • view