So, would it be fair to say at this point American libertarianism has been unequivocally revealed to be a Trojan horse scam ideology?
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"oh your politics are centered on personal freedom? you must be for open borders then right?"
aug 24, 2025, 12:09 am • 3 0 • view
Came to that conclusion in 2016, with the succeeding years proving how power-hungry the Mises Caucus (anachronistically, but for lack of a better name to call them) actually is
aug 24, 2025, 4:35 am • 0 0 • view
There are true libertarians in the same way there are true constitutional conservatives. The issue is that all of them combined would fill maybe 2 stadiums.
aug 24, 2025, 12:31 am • 2 0 • view
As someone who used to describe himself as both a classical liberal and small l libertarian Gary Johnson libertarian. it really feels like that. All bad faith bullshit outside of a few people
aug 24, 2025, 12:18 am • 11 0 • view
Small L/
aug 24, 2025, 12:20 am • 1 0 • view
I was really disappointed to learn more libertarians wouldn't go for Chase Oliver after Trump literally insulted them to their faces at their party convention.
aug 24, 2025, 12:23 am • 8 0 • view
Most libertarians hate the LP and even more dislike leftists more than they like liberty or just enjoy being contrarian. Shame cause socially and the value of defending individual rights and freedom are still something I strongly believe in
aug 24, 2025, 12:28 am • 3 0 • view
I would much rather like to see the libertarians be the dominant right wing party.
aug 24, 2025, 12:30 am • 3 0 • view
Same but for a multitude of external along with internal cultural value and issues they won’t happen. Like many leftists groups they care more about holier than thou infighting and indulging in delusions of grandeur than being effective change on society and politics.
aug 24, 2025, 5:14 pm • 1 0 • view
Due to a*
aug 25, 2025, 12:18 am • 0 0 • view
The "rationalist" libertarians were on the ball in re COVID precautions from my experience... and absolutely nothing else
aug 24, 2025, 12:44 am • 0 0 • view
Once PedoCon Theory was proven, the identity of libertarianism and conservatism had to be assumed, as the bedrock of libertarianism is opposition to age of consent law.
aug 24, 2025, 12:07 am • 11 0 • view
I miss the old days when the bedrock of libertarianism was legal weed.
aug 24, 2025, 5:12 pm • 1 0 • view
Yeah, abundant non-illegal cannabis has been a positive development across a number of dimensions, but the degradation of the libertarian soul is one of the ways it has gone badly.
aug 24, 2025, 5:20 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah, American libertarianism is dead as a "real" ideology, insofar as it ever was. A lot of the genuinely committed libertarians I knew just became left-liberals after January 6.
aug 24, 2025, 12:27 am • 9 0 • view
I effectively became a left liberal when he came down the escalator. I never thought it was a permanent thing, because obviously he would soon lose and we could get back to policy debates. Then the fucking traitorous imbeciles in this country kept electing him.
aug 24, 2025, 1:54 am • 6 0 • view
& the rest were in attendance at j6.
aug 24, 2025, 7:51 pm • 1 0 • view
"Many times when I identified as Libertarian, people said to me, 'It's just rich white guys that don't want to be told what to do,' and I had a zillion answers to that — and now that seems 100 percent accurate." Penn Jillete
aug 24, 2025, 3:49 pm • 5 0 • view
It was basically a 90s-appealing ideology
aug 24, 2025, 12:49 am • 3 0 • view
A lot of Ron Paul libertarians became socialist or ethnonationalist after 2008 when the shit hit the fan and it became clear libertarianism wasn't up to face the challenges of the day
aug 24, 2025, 12:48 am • 1 0 • view
Basically, 90% of guys in America who call themselves "anti-government" only mean it when that government is forcing them to let black people go to schools and restaurants.
aug 24, 2025, 12:10 am • 19 0 • view
They don’t want the government bothering them. They don’t care if it crushes you.
aug 24, 2025, 12:13 am • 11 0 • view
Um, human beings being political animals is exactly what makes the liberal project possible. We talk to each other to figure out how to do things. We just don't "know", we have to figure it out together. Which is difficult.
aug 24, 2025, 11:12 am • 2 0 • view
we have a term for courageous, principled Libertarians, and it's Clinton-Biden-Harris voters. the rest, well.
aug 24, 2025, 4:37 pm • 6 0 • view
There are true believers, the problem is that if you only count true believers you end up with an ideology with less influence then Maoism in American politics TLDR: yes
aug 24, 2025, 12:06 am • 36 0 • view
This is also true with “moderate/sane conservatism” btw
aug 24, 2025, 12:10 am • 10 0 • view
Absolutely not. You know who are some of the most successful groups in terms of real wins in fighting the Administration? The libertarians. Liberty Justice Center were the ones who stopped the first set of tariffs. So has PLF. Cato has been doing amici regularly. Etc. Etc.
aug 24, 2025, 12:08 am • 2 0 • view
Seems like most of the good Cato people have left, are in the liberal coalition posting on BlueSky, and have little good to say about their former organization and many coworkers.
aug 24, 2025, 12:49 am • 2 0 • view
By terms of actual wins, the libertarians have achieved more in terms of stopping the administration then every maoist and marxist on this website combined.
aug 24, 2025, 12:09 am • 0 0 • view
I mean, yes, but my parents’ dog can say the same thing by virtue of biting a few Republicans.
aug 24, 2025, 12:12 am • 10 0 • view
Based dog.
aug 24, 2025, 1:02 am • 0 0 • view
It just seems silly to say the whole ideology was a scam when the libertarian institutions are actually achieving things in defense of individual liberty in opposition to the administration; and in many ways doing so better the the explicitly liberal ones.
aug 24, 2025, 12:18 am • 0 0 • view
And yet, if Libertarians weren’t consistently dragging away protest votes, we wouldn’t have had President Chimpy McFuckwit, let alone the Putrid Mangolini.
aug 24, 2025, 12:53 am • 0 0 • view
Everything you described was the result of left or liberal or progressive movements. Libertarianism is a scam. When it’s not it’s focused on giving cover to pedophiles. A is A. Cry more.
aug 24, 2025, 12:47 am • 6 0 • view