I once met with a Missouri libertarian who was actively trying to defund public schools, and I asked how that would impact his own children. He has nine. He told me he homeschools them. I said you homeschool them? He said well, my wife… Yeah.
I once met with a Missouri libertarian who was actively trying to defund public schools, and I asked how that would impact his own children. He has nine. He told me he homeschools them. I said you homeschool them? He said well, my wife… Yeah.
But also a lot dumber, and having none of the cuteness, charm, and other endearing qualities of house cats.
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They have the most homogenous demographic of any political party. That should tell you everything.
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I have words for men like him.
Facts 💯!!!
💞🤔 take out "like house cats" and I agree they have not thought it through. Cats are smarter💞😺☺️
This is most Republicans
I believe this applies to the tech oligarchs as well... Honestly, I hope other nations work towards digital sovereignty.
Libertarians fall into 2 categories; theoretical, and most of the rest,who want the laws based upon their own individual abilities & needs. They want government & rules, but written to their Own specifications. Which is why so many MAGA are getting burned when Protections they assumed go away.
ALL THE RIGHTS, none of the responsibilities. They're just bargain-basement republicans.
Libertarians used to be described as "Republicans who want to smoke pot." When seems about right as they never seemed worried about whether women have control over their own bodies or shit like that. Freedom, dontcha know? For white dudes.
Bill Maher often offered as a paradigmatic example.
Truth
Yeah, it's funny how just about every libertarian I know is a white guy or his overworked wife.
Arrrgghgh... "which seems about right..."
All time internet classic.
At least cats are snuggly.
I just let Penelope know she is now voting a libertarian ticket. She just rolled over and ignored me.
That is a terrible insult to housecats. Mine are affectionate and appreciate their meals and care (except vet visits.)
I'm partial to how they addressed it in the most recent season of Fargo: youtu.be/SMsnKFxjxSw
Hits the nail on the head.
Except I like cats...
And someone has to clean their litter .
And feed them and take them to the vet.
The worst of both lol
I imagine he also had extensively studied age of consent laws.
Truth. I am at a loss to understand how the engineers behind this coup view what the new world they are creating will look like. What I see coming will not support these engineers (the billionaires and other Dark Enlightenment ideologues
I saw that world playing Horizon Zero Dawn
At least housecats know how to use the system to their advantage...
That is an opinion, not a definition.
I was referring to the cats. Sounds ignorant. They aren't all the same.
Incorrect.
My cats take offense. They know and appreciate the system. They are in charge and I am the staff who feeds them canned food/treats, cleans their litter box and ensures they have a nice place to live with fresh blankets and beds. They also graciously allow me to sleep on a quarter of their bed.
Agree! Cats determine the system. We are there to serve them. We know it. They know it. This is the way
Unfair to housecats.
Imagine if maga reached its goal—all kids would be homeschooled or be taught religious zealotry in private schools. What country will generate future innovators and scientists and healers? Not the US, that’s for damned sure
But all the crappy men would have guaranteed sexual access to a woman and that’s the goal.
Yep. Misogyny & rape for horrible little boys who are adults outside and ill-tempered toddlers within.
4B until they fix it. We should let the birth rate and marriage rate plummet to zero. Law of supply and demand, baby.
Yes. The planet is way overpopulated. But they want to get rich selling war weapons and then go off and live on Mars. They don't understand that you don't get creative intelligence in fascist states.
Facts. Can we send them to Mars now???
Fine by me. On one of Musks 'experimental' rockets.
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Cats can at least catch their own food if needed.
Most of them can't, really, unless they're raised by a momcat who hunts.
Mine is an indoor cat now (we have lots of coyotes) but at a different house, when we would let him into the back yard, he would catch birds - including humming birds (which bummed me). And he wasn't raised by a hunting mom. He was just... a cat.
All cats have the hunting instinct, some more than others. But *killing* prey doesn't mean they eat it. I had a cat that would catch mice & bring them to her humans; sometimes they were alive. Luckily she'd take them to my roomie and leave them on HER bed. (Guess she could smell I don't eat meat.)
LOL ... I assume the not eating their prey part comes from the fact that they're already well fed....
Could be. But feral cats teach their kits how to kill & eat prey. Cats really do learn by observation. Probably if they're hungry enough they eventually figure it out but a lot of dumped animals starve.
We were babysitting my daughter's cat a few weeks ago & he managed to push out of a screened window. We were in a panic (coyotes!). He was out over 24 hrs before daughter found him hiding in a bush in our front yard. When she pulled him out he was shaking with fear, poor baby. Happy to be found!
It's a scary world out there. One of ours was left outside by a stupid former-friend petsitter and now she will *not* leave the house. Of course, she's 18 but the scare was about 10 years ago. We did have coyotes but there's been so much habitat destruction that I think they're gone now.
We're in a little city at the base of the San Gabriels in So. CA., with a "green space" immediately behind our back yard. It's a hiway for all sorts of wildlife-bears, deer, etc., all of which we see pretty frequently. We'll hear the coyotes howling on that slope and it can be a pretty scary sound.
Hey, don't denigrate cats by comparing them to humans!
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Especially to libertarians. Tiger, who is currently sleeping on my lap, would be horrified by the comparison!
Of possible interested to Molly and @jastucaz.bsky.social
Yoink!
My younger cat knows to come back inside after she slips outside. That’s because she’s cute, conversational, and smart. I wouldn’t dare let one of those in my house; they’re not housebroken. Both of my girls know how to shit in boxes at least.
Why are they driving on our roads??? That’s socialism!
My SIL homeschools my nieces. A few years ago, she changed her history curriculum from one based on Common Core to a "Bible based" one. She said it teaches the history of different regions of the world based on what was happening in the Bible at the time. American history should be interesting. 🙄🙄🙄
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Homeschooling is usually the ignorant brainwashing their captives.
Yeah, and they're probably living at the poverty level. Nine kids? Stay at home mom? No wonder they are blaming the government for their problems!
Word to the wise for homeschooling parents from a former business executive (and my fellow business executives & business owners). When we discover a homeschooled applicant for a job, we trashcan the application. Why? Because we've found these young workers have difficulties working in a team/group
The multigenerational ignorance is deeply ingrained
We're about to have a generation of people running the country that were homeschooled by parents who flunked out of high school!
9?!?
Unawareness is a terrible thing!!
Libertarians are inverted Communists, with a hothouse ideology that works in theory but not practice, but worse because they’re motivated by selfishness instead of a utopian, shared good
I have met few homeschooled kids who were educated in anything in other than video games. That being said, those few skipped several grades, went to college and were educated by mothers who were themselves well educated.
Where does he think all the kids who are not in school are going to go during the day? They certainly aren’t going to get jobs because there won’t be any. They are going to break into cars and homes and steal things because that will be the only way they can get food
From the GOP / 'Anti Woke' website - Public Square... right there in Missouri - 'business' name seems oxymoronic to me, but what do I know - amiright?
I can’t take them anymore. libertarianism is a cancer that harms everyone more then it helps anyone.
I was gonna say, HE doesn’t homeschool shit! 😏
It's funny how he twists it and makes it seem as if he is doing China a favor. You will wait loonnnggg time
A rare librarian with no clue.
Libertarian…I read librarian at first too.
My mistake. Sorry.
I worked as a teacher in public schools for years. My least favorite “transitions” were the students who had been “homeschooled” for years and were enrolling in public school for the first time. Many many educational deficits, poor socialization skills, and no sense of routines or rules.
Yeah, I went one logical round with a libertarian arguing against property-tax-linked school funding. He lived on a cull de sac. I said, why should my taxes pay for paving what essentially is an extension of your driveway, hydrants that protect your house, streetlights that provide security to
your property? He had no answer. My definition of "libertarian" is a political ideology that loves "free" government stuff and who don't want to pay for it.
They chose to offer their own children a sub par education from nonprofessionals & want to force everyone else to do the same…. This is why we think they are stupid, selfish, destructive, irrational & insufferable. Bad enough they make terrible choices for themselves but to inflict their insanity/1
On others is criminally stupid!/2
There are many secular homeschoolers & we do it for many different reasons. Most of the kids in the circles I’ve belonged to around the world (travel for work was ours) were better prepared for college and life than most of their public school peers. I still want my taxes to pay for public schools.
We aren’t a monolith and we don’t like the nut jobs who educationally neglect their kids or use religion to make them household slaves. Just like all rural people aren’t MAGA, all homeschoolers aren’t seeking to shelter their kids and limit their knowledge. (Star swipe) The more you know.
Same here! My daughter graduates high school this year and I've homeschooled her since 3rd grade. Her sister too. I have always supported public schools.
Typical knuckle dragging response.
Speaking of homeschooling, libraries pay an important role. Cuts to libraries will be felt by everyone. Chainsaw budget cutting is just wrong. 2024: americanlibrariesmagazine.org/blogs/the-sc...
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Agreed! We are homeschoolers bc of neurodivergence and mental health needs. I'm a staunch supporter of public schools and them needing MORE funding, and the same goes for our libraries. They are invaluable resources for information access, safety, community presence, etc. I adore our library system.
Anytime I hear of folks( women!) homeschooling multiple children.- I think of poor Andrea Yates. She was vilified in the news but the poor woman was begging for Help with her mental health. Her husband divorced her& remarried then said he forgave her. Fuck him! He caused it. She is still in prison
Homeschooling insures you’ll never be brighter than your parents.
Ensures?
His kids are probably cheap labor for each other.
There are some people you will never convince of the public good and economic good of education. No matter what you say, no matter what evidence you present, they are firmly entrenched in their ignorant position.
Just like the MAGA cult.
Libertarians could use some electroshock therapy
Another batch of uneducated maga knuckledraggers foisted upon the country…
Libertarians have been a continual joke - since the 5+ decades I encountered my first one - they are all, generally frauds
Defund the fire department. Why should my taxes go to putting out YOUR house fire? "Oh but that's different"
Libertarian always translates to women will work for free.
In other words, they are probably not getting a proper education.
This is another angel to the Muskrage against the government that I'd noticed, but news folks completely omit. He's trying to reshape the government to align with some libertarian ideal, and we're seeing that is a very sucky alternative. I know from living in Gambia, a typical libertarian state.
The 2000s era Gambia I lived in is a libertarian example of government in that it has no income taxes, only raises revenue from tarrifs and import excise taxes, and runs the barest of services. It also depends heavily on foreign aid, & later natl oil revenue. It took 26 years to oust its dictator.
Libertarian states and autocratic regimes are intrinsically linked, because all the oversight and regulation is part of ensuring free and fair elections and preventing dynastic rule.
When I was 17 I thought libertarianism sounded cool, until I lived in one, and had to practically smuggle computer supplies through post office /customs to help schools and teach kids. I paid bribes and deceived the system -- for good -- but Trump's plan is preparing us for a new reality.
This doesn't even get into the impending disaster of having the world's governments move away from dollars and investing in Federal Reserve backed US bonds. That stabilizes our economy immensely. BRICS + Middle East is already looking elsewhere. Obviously there is another way. Impeach Trump.
Cool how he's got no problem with punishing children who didn't happen to be born into a family where a parent/caregiver has the time and expertise to educate them.
And what about his kids having to live life surrounded by uneducated people…🤦♀️🤦♀️
Birds of a feather.
Ask him if he takes any subsidies for homeschooling. I bet the answer is not no.
Home schooling has ruined us
What an a hole?
Good heavens! I did one single year of homeschooling when my son was having a rough time with a very good program. They helped me grade everything and report it to the state and it was hard. I also never want to diagram another sentence. Hard pass.
And there are very specific reasons why they don't like laws. Especially laws around protecting children. Libertarians are disgusting.
Libertarians are like house cats. Utterly convinced of their fierce independence but entirely dependent on a system they don’t understand or appreciate.
It's always the creeps.
Libertarians are just Republicans who brag about smoking pot.
He’s likely busy with laundry and stuff
No his wife and eldest daughter are.
Better not be. I do all the laundry and dishes in our house. My wife is the Queen forever.
That is lovely but definitely not how he is raising his property. I am positive.
We only have 4 children. Both grew up in 5 kid families. Any more is insanity imo. We work together running a company 45yrs. There is no saying no. The question everyday is what do you need me to do today. It’s simple.
Same. It's 2025. My wife works more hours than I do. What kind of POS would expect her to be our maid on top of that?!
GLOSSARY: libertarian. A greeditarian.
That's what Rs want for women. Stay home & homeschool their 9 children.
european libertarians or american libertarians? www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RD1...
Homeschool kids also were able to participate in opportunities for sports, music and other activities to their benefit.
Providing opportunities!!!
In my experience as a public educator and a coach who has worked with homeschooled students, public schools provided curriculum and resources for those needed it. In my experience parents would also choose to send their children to school to provide opportunities they could not. This pre-2015.
We are homeschoolers, secular, very progressive, very much NOT like the example of this Libertarian dad 😬 Our district allows homeschool students to participate in sports and music, etc. There's also amazing dual enrollment programs w the local community colleges homeschool students are eligible for
2. Our circle of homeschool friends shares a lot of the same concerns non-homeschoolers do about the ultra-religious or conservative/libertarian types who are homeschooling in the name of avoiding "indoctrination". It's dangerous and we hope those kids keep open minds.
3. Our kids do history with a university professor who works as the U's archivist, lit is taught by someone w a double masters in theater and publishing/manuscript editing. They get lectures & to hang out with someone who works on rockets at another university (we're in MA). They def. aren't kept
4. away from society or sheltered or made to feel a certain way about things. If anything, the philosophy we learn with in our household is a sort of "the world is your oyster" mindset. Homeschooling doesn't need to be illegal, but extremism and disinformation needs to be addressed. It's problematic
Very much agree with all your points and appreciate your response. Education is the key. Critical thinking!
Bible in hand no doubt.
We all know that those 9 children weren't being homeschooled. They were doing chores. Because that's all that there is in a family with 9 children
I grew up the oldest of 8 kids. No way could Mom have homeschooled us, & kept the house running. Even with Dad doing way more than most fathers did then. Among the 7 of us still living there are a JD, a PhD, 4 MA degrees, a BSc/RN, 5 BA degrees, & licensed commercial diver cert.
None of you ended up with that much intelligence by counting/dividing carrots, feeding the chickens or reading the Bible. These people are very simple-minded.
She has an excellent education, I hope. And a full-time housekeeper and cook. Homeschooling 9 kids and actually teaching them what I'd like a kid to learn...takes more time. (I homeschooled our autistic son; it was fun, challenging, and he's now 41 and living on his own, which
his medical/psych team insisted for years was an impossible goal. Be realistic, they said. He'll have to go into an institution by the time he's adult. HA!! But--I had volunteer taught in a local school, worked with kids of different ages, and was willing to try things out.
So now he cooks for himself--looking at and trying recipes from the internet as well as cookbooks. He learned some from me, some from others. He's still got some speech & language things going on, and residual spasticity if he's stressed, and so on, but...he lives in a city, rides the bus,
can communicate well enough to buy his own clothes, talk on the phone well enough to ask for and get information. No meds unless he's sick; arranges his own immunizations via pharmacies or flu clinics, is in an adult study group at church, likes to learn new things.
So, he wants to be paid to poorly educate his spawn. These folks trying to defend public schools always want tax $ for homeschooling.
Defund, not defend. Autocorrect is the worst.
Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand
You lost me at nine 😳
My wife = the ghost workforce.
I imagine in that household that the daughters also have to do the cooking, the cleaning, and the taking care of the little kids too, while the sons are exempt from those responsibilities. 🙄
They are too busy playing baseball in sparkling clean uniforms
exactly right
He would, of course, have homeschooled them, but he's a misogynistic clown and as thick as pigshit laboriously but copiously spread across two short planks. But what does that say about his wife?
Doormat
Those kids will resent their parents. Guaranteed. Btw, I think Libertarians aren't just pot smoking Republicans. Probably far worse
Can we be that far away from home-schooled doctors?
What y'all wantin with these fancy dan city ' doctors ' with all of their book learnin' & stuff, when we've got thoughts & prayers to do the job properly instead?
If you die from an infected ingrown toenail, it's just God's will, right? You evidently didn't hate the libs enough to stay in His good graces.
That, & your family was probly short in the tithe, & your prayers weren't sufficient to rise to the top of the pile.
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We have them. They are known as anti-vaxxers.
They head the HHS.
Yes, but they've done their research! Three YouTube videos constitute a residency.
And a Surgeon General appointment
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Libertarianism only works with a massive unacknowledged support staff 🙄
It figures! Any kind of schooling can help a bright young mind to doubt the radical thinking of a parent, when the child is smarter than dear old Dad. The rebellious teen stage often happens for a good reason. I have met very hidebound Reverends with very open minded kids. Turn, turn, turn
And some people wondered why these radical White christian men don’t understand anything about science, math, history, geography—you know things we all learn about in public schools—because they teach FACTS
Vicious cycle. Poor kids. Poor society.
Three more on the way!! 😲
Libertarianism is entirely childish and stupid. It's a bunch of grown men crying about how they deserve to be absolved of all responsilbity associated with being a complex life form and just frolick without regard for logic, reason, or consequence. Every one of them can kiss my arse.
Political narcissism.
Yes. And wankery.
I bet his wife does a great job teaching their 9 kids Calculus.
How is being against public education giving his wife social equality and freedom? Isn't that the mainstay of Libertarianism? Isn't he coercing his wife into unnecessary childcare responsibilities for his own beliefs, and denying her personal freedom?
Sadly the mentality of many men. Many desire to see all government devolve into the Wild West. Where law is basically lawless and rich, white men always come out on top. Independence in every sense. Ironically that world would break them.
Sounds like Missouri to me 🙄.
Wonder if pays his wife as little as Missouri Teachers get paid. I also wonder if his kids are getting the same quality of education as kids going to public school there get. Clearly the answer to both questions is most probably NO!
I bet they're doing a bang up job as opposed to an actual educated in the field educator....
And by “Libertarian” you mean “White Christian Nationalist”?
It’s always self interest that motivates them…ReTrumplikins .
I know people who have homeschooled & also work in an elementary schools with kids who come in after a few years of homeschooling. It's a true spectrum. Some of the homeschoolers do great, their caregivers are competent. But many of those kids arrive in the 4th grade, feral and behind in the basics.
Hope she’s smarter than he is.
Male or Female supervising you just created 9 socially dysfunctional adults with poor foundations in math and the sciences never mind history. Everyone deluded envisions Home school like a classical period education from Oxford for the rich.
How 'unusual' that his wife home schooled them. 😏
Don’t hire any of his children.
I hear certain people I work around say things like. “well I don’t have children in the school system, so why should my property taxes go towards that?“ or “ I send my kids to private school, so my tax dollars shouldn’t go into that.“ Selfish, self-centered, individualistic behavior
Like “I don’t golf so why should my tax dollars pay for the felons golf trips”? Like that?
File exempt. I’m not paying for any of this BS. I’ll pay my taxes when my money is going towards the systems they were meant to support.
Darth Marmalade's golf trips give no benefit to the community or society at large. We know that education provides kids with many benefits, that go on to benefit the larger community. Not the same thing.
Yeah, like, how do these yahoos think ppl become educated to do all the things we rely on in our society? If you don’t want to fund education, take your ass to the woods and live off grid.
They want to take away your bootstraps.
Two of my coworkers think that (I am not kidding here) tariffs are going to prevent them from cutting Social Security. One will retire in the next year or 2, the other is in his 60s. You'd THINK they would get a little educated on this...hope they have lots in savings since their SEP is 1/2 of 2024.
Wow, they can still afford to retire after Trump blew up their fucking 401(k)’s. That’s astonishing.
Well, I don't know about THAT...but thankfully it's cheaper out here in rural farm country, and they may have paid off their homes by now. But when those healthcare bills start rolling in, or if they need Assisted Living............
Yeah... I can tell you from personal experience they'll feel that bite. I live in "rural farm country" and the house is paid for after 30 years of living here but we're just barely getting by. Retirement and disability are no joke in this country and it's only going to get worse.
I am so sorry to hear that. Americans who have worked all our lives and contributed to the social safety net should not be forced to beg on the corner just to pay basic bills: we are a better people than that, and our Constitution & Declaration say we are ALL in this together. Time for law updates!
THIS Is why education matters. I'm not poor, don't collect unemployment, don't have schoolkids, will probably die before I "retire" & stop working permanently...but as an AMERICAN, I recognize the importance of SNAP, unemployment, schools, & Social Security, so I help pay for them. Not just about U!
I appreciate your approach, Chuck. I'm highly educated, but inept in many workplaces. I do benefit from SNAP, and have no hope of any real retirement like they sell in the"American dream" brochures.
"...and for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." --Declaration of Independence We are ALL in it together if we CHOOSE to be American.
yep, it’s all about having a civilized society
#DarthMarmalade 👏👏
I’m sorry but this is… This makes calling him “cheeto” sound like a trenchant bon mot
Darth Marmalade. Bwahaha🤣
🎯🎯🎯 right on the nose!
I do not drive a car, my tax dollars should not go to roads. I am never sick my tax dollars should never go to healthcare, and of course i know everything and all that there is ever to know so my tax dollars should not go into science…
Bad comparison. But thanks for playing.
No like I do not pay the president to go golfing.
Your tax dollars do. Where do you think the money for his security detail and Air Force One comes from?
That is my point. Those payments are waste because they are not part of his job.
Not like that…. At all.
I don't have kids & I don't use churches. I've never needed the fire Dept & police aren't called to my house. I gladly pay to live in a a caring society.
One of the best responses to that I've seen is "If you have a business, wouldn't you like all job applicants to have an education? Your coworkers, people who build the roads you drive on, the doctors you have?"
I don't have children but I'm happy to support public schools instead of fucking billionaires.
100000%!!! Billionaires should be outlawed
I'll see you your 100000% and raise you a million percent. NO MORE BILLIONAIRES!
I think, if I had property taxes, I would want them to go to the school district in which my daughter goes, not in the one I live in. Best of both worlds, IMO.
I don't have kids so my taxes fund schools, healthcare and social care for children I will never use... as they should. Those same children will pay for my adult social care. Say that to most Americans and they start spitting about socialism like it's evil. Sigh.
Right!? I hate that people have been conditioned to think so selfishly. I like the idea of a we/is/our society and not an I/me/mine society.
It's an ongoing issue. Entitlement is just normal now, and common decency has disappeared. It's each man for himself these days, and I hate it. They won even follow basic rules like not throwing litter or picking up dog poo. Humanity is just awful.
It's not just that those kids will pay for our adult social care, it's that those kids will be the medics who may save our lives at some point and the social carers who will care for us when it's needed.
It can be both. Basically they're the future so I'm happy to help support that.
They don't want to pay for anything. We don't use the word 'cheapskate' often enough. Deadbeat works, too
Jesus even before I had a kid I didn’t want to live in a country with uneducated people
“Selfish, self-centered, individualistic” describes America from sea to shining sea. While MAGA might be more full-throated, this is not party specific. Our entire society is rotten from the clash of basic values. I never had my own children, yet I happily pay school taxes. I value education.
Absolutely. Selfish from the beginning!
Same thing as saying “I don’t have a car so why should I pay property taxes” yet I benefit from the infrastructure of moving around
I don’t have kids but having an educated populace is important for society so I am happy for my taxes to be spent on education. I was a public school student and got an excellent education in my town.
While it is all of those things you pointed out, it's also extremely myopic and stupid. We should all want more citizens to be well informed, educated folks for a well functioning society. Anything else is just stupid sectarian tribalism, rugged individualism nonsense
Absolutely correct!
And those private schools are usually of a religious denomination and just proves that they are learning nothing from their religion
Yep. For sure!
And I would tell them do you want to have to deal with a bunch of stupid people in the future? I always wonder whether they just can't see the bigger picture or refuse to see it. The proliferation of that mentality comes from the Boomers (back when they were just the Yuppies).
In fairness, if you see the figures coming out of how poorly our kids are performing in school, it may not matter.
Oh, no doubt. But that doesn't mean you throw it out. You work to improve it. Throwing it out is easy (but is catastrophic), while improving it is hard. We need to do the hard work.
Throw it out completely? No. Throw it out and start over? Yes.
As someone with two children in public high school and immersed in that world, the public schools are doing a fine job despite the attacks and funding issues. My public school public college education launched me into a very successful career as well. The alternative would be very damaging.
That is good to hear, but not every school can say that
Perhaps poverty and challenges at home impair learning but it’s certainly better than zero education and too much free time to cause trouble. Schools provide structure for children at risk. Maybe their grades are low but it fills another need that assists in creating a civilized society.
What you're saying makes sense but I also beleive that if there was no public school, it's disingenuous to think there'd be zero education. Would that be the case for many? Yes. But not everyone.
It’s a challenge in impoverished areas to get children to school; add any new obstacles and overall education will definitely decline.
Except that once you throw it out, there will be no starting over. It would just be every man, woman, and child for themselves. There are just too many now who think any tax they pay is somehow stealing from them, rather than knowing how they benefit from it.
Fair, should have used different words. And unlike Europeans, who see direct benefits of their taxes (free at POS healthcare, public transit), many Americans do not and think there aren't any.
That's where I think a lot of the disconnect has come from. The politicians on both sides of the aisle have done a piss-poor job of explaining to people where their taxes go. The GOP has outright told them it's all waste, while the Democrats have seemed to assume that people know where it goes.
Well, I’m not a criminal so why should I pay for a convicts jail?
They live in a delusion about individualism.
I don't go to church, so why should my tax dollars pay for things churches won't?
*sigh* I just really want my community to have young people who know things and are curious. things like proper food safety, how to make sure you make enough $ for rent, how to not die when you cut your fingers off with a lawn mower.
That’s not too much to ask.
To the people who do not have children (I'm one) ask them do they like having educated & skilled people running their city services? Many of your neighbors, firefighters, police, city council, school board members, are educated by those schools that your tax dollars pay for. Schools are community.
Ask them who paid for their schooling.
Selfishly, I want the staff in whatever care I end up with to be able to read my care instructions and have enough critical thinking skills to be able to tell when a typo will kill me.
No kidding! We don’t want our doctors to be like Dr. Lexus below
That’s the problem. Too many think that everyone should be forced to live life according to their personal beliefs instead of just letting people be. He wants to screw with public schooling for others when his family doesn’t even use public schools! Like WTF!
Every time.
Wow, a perfect microcosm of the MAGA movement.
Dumbass!
iffy
Yeah
Ah yes, the unpaid labor of women.
Idiots! 😡
His wife probably does 99% of the upkeep of the house too, while he might take the garbage to the can once a week.
Libertarians are like 2year olds They want everything except responsibility
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I homeschool one. It's a full time job, and housework is secondary. These women who commit to homeschooling nine and keeping a "perfect" home are not doing any of it very well. It's just not possible.
Unless you are a trained teacher or educator, what kind of education do these kids get? They might be able to just about end up recognising Maga on a voting slip..but that's about it. Guess that's what these guys want though...
Moron
I was a libertarian for a while. Then I grew up.
Are the girls allowed to read?
Libertarians cannot understand that their ideology is only possible because of legacy investments in infrastructure and institutions allow them to think that way. Look at Grafton, NH. Disaster.
It's so weird to me that to live up to conservative values requires massive amounts of unpaid labor from stay-at-home mothers, and at the same time make it nearly impossible for the middle class to exist with only the father's income & no generational wealth or passive income
How did they score on the state tests?
Ppl who claim to be Libertarian, are just Republicans Nazis But wanna think it’s cool 😎 Ive never come across a true Libertarian. Maher hides his racism behind the the association
Shoulda told him, "Great, I'll send my kids over to your house to get homeschooled by your wife. I'll pack a box lunch so she doesn't have to cook."
Guy also needs a vasectomy
Schooling is less about learning rather Socializing Sports Commingling Etc
I lived next door to a "libertarian" like that once. He was running for office and dragged his wife to political events when their newborn was 3 days old. Also did not keep their cats indoors and left HER to do her full-time at-home job and all the house & childcare. Told me all I need to know...
Sounds right. www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/matth...
So once again unless their evil affects them it's ok.
Begs the follow-up question: God forbid, what if something happens to your wife?
The oldest daughter takes over. Then she’s stuck.
Public schools of course 🙄
Grow up to be as dumb and insular as he is.
Yeah.. he’s gone judging all others choices, and she’s at home doing the heavy lifting.
That is scary.
Yeah. Did she get to go study herself? Get a college degree? No. No. I mean, anyone can teach, right? It’s such an easy job. All kids need to know is how to read the Bible and count sheep.
We are literally trying to return to the Middle Ages. Except even then women worked outside the home. Oh, and 50% kids didn’t reach adulthood, and 20% didn’t make it to the age of 5. Mind your turnips, peasant!!!!!
Keeping your kids away from society is just insane. I really don't want to homeschool my kids 😭... Only as the last choice. If Trump tries to push indoctrination in our public schools... I will have to homeschool
Of course
Typical Libertarian, living with his head so far up his own ass that all he can see is a selfish fantasy
I'm sure she's super happy about that too
They can't even recognize their own misogyny and hypocrisy.
It's all part of the documentary from the future Idiocracy.
Oy vey! Nine dumb kids. Great! 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Idiots teaching children at home. No wonder stupidity has become an epidemic.
Usually homeschooling is religious, and agenda, isn't about social issues but the create separation and isolation.
Oh, that!
Unless she's a trained educator, how the heck does she do it? 9?
Poorly?
They read the Bible. What do you think?
of course his wife like everyone can stay home or even single parent households ( largely female) have that second partner to teach the children
Libertarians are the worst people. Absolutely *the worst*!!!
Hoam skuling werkt fer me!
NINE?!?!
Great joke writing, right here. ☝️. Well paced, delivered and that punch line really snaps it off.
And this is the reason why nearly all libertarian are men, right?!? 🤔
Wonder what her salary was? Um, what?
They always try to take all the credit
Typical libertarian bullshit. “Well I don’t need it so what’s the point?” Only caring about themselves and fuck all else.
So shortsighted because some of those children in public schools will be his nurses, doctors, and other medical professionals when he is a senior citizen. I know that I would want them to have the best K-12 education, but that is just me.
Part of the "homeschool" ecoculture is the use of slave labor, in the form of the wives.
The good old myth of self reliance except your own self reliance.
Delusional ppl always telling others what to do and how to think without any tethering to reality. Always trying to make others live in their delusions... Gahhhhhh..
Also ask him, as libertarian Does he also support free trade (no tariffs)? Does he also support open borders (free transit of labor)? Traditional tenants of libertarianism that contemporary "libertarians" forget.
So if it doesn’t affect me or mine I should destroy it?
Homeschooling 9 kids: The older ones teach the younger ones. The oldest does laundry while watching the youngest. Future factory workers.
That’s like when my husband used to say “we’re pregnant” nope buddy WE are going to be parents but I’M the only one pregnant.
Used to be homeschooling was called truancy.
Libertarians have always been Republicans than wanna smoke weed.
There’s a reason our nation started public education and that reason was poor or non-existent home schooling.
Feel sorry for those kids when they actually enter society. They will have no clue. Talk about setting the kids up to fail...
A guy with nine children doesn't help his wife! What would he now about public schools or even home schooling? NOTHNG
That is a plan...I really hope resilient self learner is in the genes. We could also play craps
No shortage of fools
home schooling should be illegal. children have rights. they are not the property of their parents. teach them anything you want on night and weekends. weekdays. they go to school.
I’ve literally never understood your pov. I’m not knocking ps, the teachers, etc but why do you feel you are the authority for others? There plenty of families who thrive in hs. John Taylor Gatto wrote an interesting book on this history of public schooling. Ck it out if so inclined.
because we live in a society where we care about the well-being of others (or used to). should beating children that disobey be legal? it’s not about education at all. it about thought control. it’s for parents whose beliefs are so fragile, they can’t be tested.
Homeschooling is child abuse?
Interesting point of view. I do not agree after having & joining w other successful homeschoolers. Some of us homeschool b/c we care about the wellbeing of our children. Not sure were beating children aligns w the hs discussion.
the fact that some children survive child abuse and thrive as adults is not proof that the abuse is healthy or harmless. homeschooling is child abuse.
Isn't it curious how so many men make decisions that ultimately put the WORK of those ideas onto women...?
I was fortunate to be able to homeschool my son--we took a hit economically, but he had spacial needs. I studied how to do it for a year before k4 started, and our family poured our time into it. My 20yo son is whip smart, a critical thinker, and had plenty of social time with others. Worked for us.
The kids are not alright 😡
Women build communities, men destroy them.
Undermining public education makes our country weaker by every measure. We should also be concerned about how much easier it is for "homeschool" families to neglect or abuse their kids.
Libertarians are just delusional Republicans.
It’s unrealistic to think one person can cover the wide variety of subjects needed and the knowledge represented by numerous teachers sufficiently enough to help your kids pass a GED. You’re basically setting your kid up to fail in life if you homeschool.
Do you not realize that there are specialized teachers for older homeschoolers? My teenager takes a creative writing class from a college professor/published author. My science nerd takes 3-4 classes with actual scientists. Fundamentalist homeschooling is not the only kind of homeschooling.
This will further dumb-down the American public ...which is exactly what 'they' need when they fully implement their Techno-feudal model. The Lords will need disposable serfs to do the dirty work without the will or ability to complain.The remains of the middle class will be vassals
Is this a dig? I don’t get it.
Yes. At him for pretending that he is doing the labor of homeschooling.
I mean homeschooling requires an income right? If a husband is the sole earner and a wife says “we just bought a new car” is she pretending?
Oh, sorry. My fault. I thought you were here in good faith. 🤣
You can’t answer the question?
It's called patriarchy, my dude. Read up on Fundamentalism and stop expecting people on the internet to do your work for you. Your growth and understanding of cultural issues is not the job of strangers online.
Exactly
I think you misunderstood. I know the answer to the question. But in a discussion it is better to ask and make sure the other person knows the answer as well so logical entailments can be established. If we assume the other person know, it creates confusion.
So he has nine kids that will miss out on social skills, interactions with diverse groups of people, etc and he thinks that they will be able to survive in this world!!!
Poor woman.
Nobody on the SS California died during the sinking of the RMS Titanic.
There you go. She likely has no more say in whether to homeschool than she does on whether to be pregnant again.
Who pays for the materials? The home schoolers I know still take their children to school functions like music and PE.
Too many problems with this. Schools will be able to legally be racist. Some homeschool kids parents are not educated/smart enough to teach. No sports maybe good for some
Funny how that works…
Yeah. I worked for a guy who wore a "sweater he made himself" to an office party. He doesn't knit. He doesn't know how. His wife made it. Funny how that works - everything we do is "theirs," and everything they do is too.
The best book to understand how libertarian billionaires have manipulated Americans into our current mess: www.npr.org/2017/06/18/5...
Gotta keep that woman barefoot and pregnant, right?
Time to find a new hobby …
Even in Little House on the Prairie the kids went to school. And The Waltons too, come to think of it.
Misread and thought the libertarian was 9. 🤣🤣🤣 somehow it still works
Always falls on the women.
I’m sure they got a great education.
Unpaid wife. It tracks. Perfectly. Of course.
Seems that knuckle dragging is a sport in both Missouri and Oklahoma
He has no idea. His wife has the free time to allocate to teaching the children. I bet homeschooling was his idea. What about people who must work to support their family? The duties of government have, by necessity, grown more complicated over the past 250 years. Libertarians must catch up.
Exactly.
Yeah...Libertarian would have been the end of the conversation. I don't donate to Moonies, talk to MAGAts nor waste breath on Libertarians. ONCE when I was WAY younger I listened as one tried to brainwash me. After he ran out of 🐂💩 I asked so how many Presidents have you guys had elected?🦗🦗🦗
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Without public education, children would need to be home schooled, with someone staying home to school them. Most households need two paychecks to make ends meet. Defunding schools is mostly a ploy from the right to keep wives at home and out of the workplace. Uneducated is another goal of the GOP.
Libertarianism - an ideology espousing the belief that all people are free to be used, manipulated, cheated, lied to, stolen from, assaulted, discriminated against, diseased, poisoned and killed for the profit of others.
Yep
Tell me you're an abusive ahole without saying it: My wife homeschools our nine kids so they can't tell anyone how hellish their existence is. FFS
Libertarians are like house cats: completely convinced of their own independence yet almost entirely dependent on others.
Bingo!!!
Hahah I’m sending this to my brother who thinks he’s a libertarian.
And they angrily swat at you for no reason at all.
Men relying on the free labor of women as usual. 🙄