Too bad they don't.

Yes, yes! But am thinking this tragedy deserves an investigation -- not swept under the rug for political reasons.

So we’ll go with just the adults get to die, or at least the ones that voted for it.

But their parents do. And if they voted Republican they are getting what they voted for.

So their parents vote makes it ok if their kids die? Are you ok?

No one said that, asshole. If the negligent parents decided to vote for the policies that resulted in their children dying maybe they will wake up. If not,their kids and families will keep dying at the hands of the traitors they voted for.🤷🏼‍♀️

No, but it does make it inevitable.

Which is not what anyone is debating or arguing about in these replies...

Nor is anybody actually saying the KIDS deserved it.

Nobody said it was ok.

when parents vote, they make choices about themselves, their kids and other people's lives. nobody deserves to be a victim to such a preventable disaster. but people need to understand that the political elite, regardless of label, exists to milk them and profit while doing - politics is no longer

about the public good. technically, tragedies like this one should shake voters and have them demand more from their political reps. so far this has not worked because there has been no good will. what you see is not cruelty towards the families, but attention towards the cruelty of the political

elite, which helps cause these disasters, and does not at all focus on preventing them. many politicians make a good buck after every hurricane in FL - on the back of people who lose their homes and have to deal with higher insurance rates. Nothing changed after Sandy Hook.

Nothing changed after Uvalde. Unless people change something in drawing attention to the absurdity of this, no change will continue to be the norm.

I like your paragraphs, but Texas isn't homogeneous. It's a diaspora captured by a white supremacist power structure. The area this happened in is purple, and the people that live there aren't the ones who voted for this shit. Platitudes and your philosophy are useless in the face of messy reality.

Then the minority needs to rise up and literally destroy the hateful, deceitful right wing traitors running your state or continue to be the victims if it. The revolution is now.

Sure, just as soon as the people in power stop having a militarized police force, tanks, drones, and bombs. You first, actually.

How do you think revolutions start, champ? Try reading some history and grow a pair.

so, you are the nazi bystander, welcoming fascism because "what can one do?". the thing about fascism is that while you may feel privileged now, the fascists will find a way to single you out. better get your jitters out, and join any fight against fascism and military state.

That area has voted Republican since 2020

Yes this looks like it isn't at all gerrymandered and completely doesn't spread out urban votes far into the wind. Does context matter to you? Or are you too full of righteous indignation over people caring about dead kids or whatever?

i see. thoughts and prayers, then.

In the face of overwhelming and unrelenting force, that's kinda all we got

I find this article to be crucial to understand what's going on in Texas. www.propublica.org/article/tim-...

Yes that's a really good one, thank you!

Since I live in Houston (big blue Harris county) I'm living in our state's voter suppression central. The more obstacles there are, the more low-income people don't vote. 1 in 6 Texans live in Harris county, so increased voter turnout here could flip the whole state.

Parents choose all the time not to vaccinate their children who then die from preventable diseases. It’s tragic, but those are the consequences of stupidity. No, the kids don’t deserve it. They never do. But it’s happening all over.

Yes. But no one should be saying the kids deserve to die, which is what these posts are about.

No one is saying that, moron. We are saying Texas is a bright red Republican state that voted for the bullshit that got these kids killed. Now they get to reap the hell they voted for.

jfc. eat shit.

JFC You’re a weak simp.

suck my left one.

Are you 12?

Kids don't vote. Do the kids deserve it?

They are,but that doesn't justify the deaths of children, and it's REALLY important that we not gloat or minimize the tragedy to the children while pointing out that it's their parents' fault for voting for it. If we lose our empathy for innocent kids we become the same evil that their parents are…

False narrative. No one said it’s “justified” and no one is “gloating”. But it is important to point out that bright red Texas votes for cruel, short-sighted and deceitful Republican policies and they are getting exactly what they voted for.🤷🏼‍♀️

I've seen it, it's not a false narrative… Don't say things aren't happening just because you haven't seen them. That's another thing Republicans do…

Nah. Just your false narrative talking. “Don’t say things are happening just because” you think they are. “Thats another thing Republicans do.”

R at local and state levels blocked warning upgrades in this exact TX location

It’s also important to point out the gerrymandering that takes places in communities that dilutes a popular vote.

Sorry, but I've seen gloating.

Nah. You’ve just misinterpreted the words of others.

My reading comprehension was deemed above college level in high school. Patronizing and gaslighting.

Doubtful and your post just confirms my suspicions.🤷🏼‍♀️

Just pointing out the facts. FACT: Republicans fucked around and are now finding out.🤷🏼‍♀️

Hoping Texas gets more is a desire, not a fact. "Deserving" is a moral judgement. You apparently consider opinions and moral judgements to be "facts." I'm done playing. But you have a good day.

Alright. Brb.

And gloating about this is outrageously vile. But calling out the policies of the Republican governor, state legislature, Congressional leaders and president, all of whom contributed to this catastrophe, is not gloating, it is a moral imperative. How else can we keep it from repeating?

And lest we forget, the majority of Texas voters brought this on.

I live here and no the fuck we didn't, the state is gerrymandered to all hell to keep those bastards in power…

Study Reveals the Lasting Voter Suppression Effects of Restrictive Texas Law | Brennan Center for Justice www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ana... Voter suppression is part of the problem.

Not necessarily true. Electoral college votes are awarded by congressional districts. If all the minority votes are aggregated into one or 2 gerrymandered districts, that automatically gives all the other heavily red districts a disproportionate number of electors. It's rigged for Rs from the start.

Sit down with your math bullshit. Texas fucked the country and its own people. Grow a pair and overthrow those traitorous rightwing motherfuckers or they will kill us all. Trump already told you he “hates” us. You’re either part of the revolution or you’re part of the problem. Which is it, champ?

That math bullshit is reality. Performative anger gets us nowhere. Fighting the structures that rob us of our votes is a necessary part of the process. Screaming "just vote them out" is naive and unserious. How would you "throw them out," exactly?

Let me know when you grow a pair and are ready for the revolution, simp. Otherwise keep sitting in the corner clutching your pearls when they come for you.

Nobody is gloating that children died. We’re sick about it!

I’m not gloating but I’m saving my empathy for those who DIDNT vote for this and were affected If they voted for this shit show I’m not giving one god damned drop of empathy - to me it’s same as German citizens who were all cool w/ Hitler and what he did - til bombs started falling on THEIR heads

Agree. At the same time our political opponents are deporting babies born here of undocumented parents. Also not the kids’ fault. How do we communicate the value of the grace we extend vs the lack of similar grace on their side?

Idk how 😭 Many are brainwashed from birth to believe they are chosen and everyone else is wrong, evil, sinful- "stay away from them, don't read books about them, don't talk to them", etc. They believe immigrants are not human, just as they believe "liberals" are their sworn enemy. 💔

The concept that someone may 'deserve to die' is not a little bit fascist? Just wondering

Ron filipkowski can go jump off a cliff for his statement about this today.

What i read is he connecting causes and effects. That's different from saying it was deserved. Even if he did, he just deserves a fair trial like everybody else, everywhere.

read what you just wrote. Ew

Children don’t deserve to die because of their parents political views.

Deserve aint got nothing to do with it.

No one said that, and neither do other people. You said my friend should jump off a cliff, nice doctor you are. gross

But in our society they unfortunately often do... cough-antivaxxers-cough

Check yourself. He didn't say anyone deserved it. FACT: Texas mostly votes Republicunt, whose president cut the NWS personnel and funding, leaving the entire country vulnerable to the tragic circumstances that just happened. FACT: Republicunt states are the most vulnerable.

But their parents do

Consequences of a parent’s vote should never be held against the children. They’re children.

Right, we want to make a “dreamer” self deport or risk a concentration camp. Like a 2 year old has any choice or say where there parents live but yet, here we are, everyday punishing children for the actions of adults, look at school shootings, and vaccines, kids dying for adult choices. 😔

Cutting SNAP is child cruelty.

Their own vote likely helped cause their kid's deaths. Pointing that out is not the same as saying it was "justified". Justice would be ONLY those who voted for Trump being hurt but unfortunately, that is not going to happen. 99% of us are probably going to end up being hurt by THEIR actions.

That may be. But pointing it out immediately following the wake of a tragedy like this serves no purpose, unless the purpose is to happily basque in feelings of self-righteousness. The people who do it look like soulless assholes celebrating the death of their enemies children.

When has “I/we told you so” ever changed anyone’s heart and mind? MAGAs have had 10 years of “we told you so” and they just double down harder. A little empathy - “your kids didn’t deserve this and it should never be allowed to happen again”might go a lot farther than “you did this so suck it.”

I. Don'. Care.

So in your view did they deserve to die?

That's right. It's the only way to deal with subhuman vermin.

Careful, there. You're sounding just like them. It's a slippery slope, and all you're doing is making things worse. These are young children you're talking about. Be better.

I don’t think they are capable. They do confirm that there are psychopathic cultists on both sides though.

Innocent children?

Even if this moron’s view wasn’t morally repugnant (there is no way to construe it otherwise). The logic of the position is utterly embarrassing. In their twisted world all Texans deserve this tragedy even though 39% voted democrat. Most republicans are less inhuman.

They’re a troll. Block and move on :)

I like to play with Trolls sometimes as they often block me… but you are probably right

Yet…

That's why they needed their parents and elected leaders to protect them. Calling out those failures is not saying they deserved to die. It's the opposite. They deserved for their needs to come first. It is outrageous that the fury we feel on their behalf is being turned around to make us villains.

well said.

Thank you. It's time to call out MAGA cruelty for what it is and take back the moral high ground without apology.

Exactly!

One role of government is to protect people from their own stupidity and stupidity of others - where I define a stupid person to be one who lets their actions cause harm to others or even themselves. These people deserved a better chance instead of the consequences of profit and wealth maximalism.

As John Locke pointed out centuries ago, when governments fail to provide for the basic needs of their citizens, they have the right to revoke their consent to be governed. We are barreling toward that day.

Theoretically the Republicans are shrinking government so we can drown it in the bathtub... Turns out the bathtub turned into a giant Florida swamp and government is growing into Godzilla.

We arrived at that day almost six months ago.

Nothing wrong with pointing out facts

if everybody had voted for a Democrat, kids included, there would have still been a flash flood of surprising severity that day

But if the county were not ruled by Republicans they might have had a flash flood warning system.

If they had zoning laws they might not build a kids camp in a dry river bed.

Gutting the @nws.noaa.gov probably is not the way to prove you wrong.

But their parents do. But for their parent's vote and those kids might still be alive. Their vote helped kill their own kids and will likely also contribute to the death of many more untimely deaths of kids and adults when their hospitals are closed or they lose insurance to point out just one issue

They voted against their own and their kids' best interest. They chose racism and evilness because they thought only "those people" would be impacted; and now their kids are dead, just like so many others who have died because of THEIR votes.

This post is why Democrats lose elections. R’s pass policies that harm their own children. We try to pass policies to save children. When children die from cruel R policies, Dems shame each other for wanting accountability.

It’s not why Democrats lose.

Just as they don’t control what Country they’re born in which is all that’s wrong with ending birthright citizenship!

Right!!!!!

Great sentimental example citing an appropriate corollary! They want your sympathy for disastrous outcomes resulting from their own detrimental decisions but won’t accept responsibility or culpability for the obvious outcomes! I don’t subscribe to the wishes of self conceited folks!

"They" aren't a uniform set of people. In absolute numbers more people vote blue in Texas than in most other states. Same way CA has more GOP voters than other states. People should really stop pretending they can determine party affiliation from knowing the state someone lives at m

Exactly this. The block button has been on a hair trigger lately. I’m done with listening to anyone that wants to paint entire states with a broad brush. By that same logic the rest of the world should turn its back on the entirety of the US for putting that monstrous dipshit back in power.

I only block obvious *bots* first. After that reciprocate as required. So good thing the "free" world know it's less than a third of voters that went for this. Who knows how many it really is given *Elon knows those computers really well, those vote counting computers* We do wot we can from afar🤘

This was a Christian summer camp. I made some assumptions from that, having had a bellyful of Christian(?!) commentary since 2020.

It is a summer camp that operates for like a century, and has like 700 to 1000 girls there per season. And maybe consider: people who took Christianity seriously might not necessarily be Trumpers. Some might, but sure not all.

Caution: Version of purport “Christianity” is very important in this context!

Yes you are right. Do you think they will consider moving the camps now?

I have no clue. What I have read so far, this camp also has that long history because it builds social networks for the attending girls. A LOT of influential TX females spend time there ... so I guess there will be a lot of support to continue it. But then, I read that online ... I guess ...

nobody can say what the people running that camp will do. Probably a fair guess that they don't know themselves at this point.

Exactly my thoughts.

Aren't these the "fuck your feelings" crowd? 🤔

That’s what they outwardly portray in their public discourse & pronouncements but their hypocrisy is always palpable!

I hate to say it but your argument sounds a lot like my friends who say we shouldn’t be empathetic for immigrants because they came here “illegally” and won’t accept responsibility for their decision.

I’m never EVER going to lose my empathy for someone losing their child, and will never feel they “asked for it”

Can I posit a situation? How many steps between directly killing your own child do you have to be to avoid culpability? Kill child yourself? Well I mean... Baseline. Get someone to kill child? OK but eh... Have opinions and make deliberate choices that result in the death of kid? Well... Hold on?

No one would either!

Except for the measles ant-vaxxers who acted like the were "okay" with losing a child bc it was "God's will." Did anyone ask the child who died a horrific, preventable death?

You can have that empathy. It can be independent of their responsibility.

Fair enough separation.

I think so.

💯

Even if they did vote, and voted for Trump, they still wouldn’t deserve to die.

The CHILDREN DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE is absolutely correct. No one believes they did but criticizing their parents for the vote they cast that helped caused their deaths deserves attention These people thought they would never be affected and we told them they would! The parents FAFO in the worst way

So, did ALL the dead children's parents vote orange?

Well, two Rep congress men had children there... and it is an evangelical camp, whether it is called Christian or not..

I guess all this was just God’s will. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Probably. In Texas, people vote Republican because it’s socially required. A colleague told me she voted for Trump because he seemed like the best choice. She asked me who I voted for. I told her Harris. She said, “Uh-Oh,” and pretty much avoided me after that. She considers herself a good person.

We need to talk about this infuriating reality so much more than we do. It's one of the biggest problems sane patriotic Americans need to solve.

I don’t know how to get around it. Back in the day, people in the South called themselves Yellow Dog Democrats because they’d vote for a yellow dog before voting for a Republican. A lot of people, it seems, vote their emotions and a sense of belonging/relating to the candidate.

I have an elderly friend who was a trump voter and is thoroughly disgusted. As gently as I could, I reminded her that I had been telling her how he is since the first Administration.

Voting to increase climate change and decrease our ability to deal with it is the issue. Telling a parent or grandparent that they voted for their loved ones death is sociopathic in its lack of empathy.