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Ozma @rowyourbot.bsky.social

But sure—there are developments that are impressive in certain ways but for very discrete tasks. The failure rate is not even biggest problem with it—it’s just glaringly revealing of an absurd gap between rhetoric and reality and the culture of faith tech companies managed to create.

aug 8, 2025, 7:57 pm • 3 0

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Jared Friedman🇺🇦 @silkscreenfiend.bsky.social

I think it's also revealing giant (and fascinating!) chasms in our understanding of what "intelligence" and "thought" are. To say nothing of "memory" and "consciousness."

aug 8, 2025, 8:10 pm • 4 1 • view
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Ozma @rowyourbot.bsky.social

At least I believe in the AI research realm researchers were aware these are all very complex things, and there is much we still need to know about them? Maybe not!

aug 8, 2025, 8:25 pm • 2 0 • view
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Jared Friedman🇺🇦 @silkscreenfiend.bsky.social

I think the researchers are well aware of the gaps. Less so the VCs, and I think there are a lot of non-technical tech industry people who have managed to convince themselves that they are actually inventing God, and so pouring money into this parlor truck is the Meaning they've been seeking.

aug 8, 2025, 8:39 pm • 3 0 • view
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Ozma @rowyourbot.bsky.social

They’re just going to declare it GOD like people used to (kind of) do in the past about certain natural objects.

aug 8, 2025, 8:41 pm • 3 0 • view
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Jared Friedman🇺🇦 @silkscreenfiend.bsky.social

And certain manmade ones!! Golden calves and such...

aug 8, 2025, 8:43 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ozma @rowyourbot.bsky.social

Oh, right. Golden Calf. I wonder how people thought about such objects…whether it itself is imbued with cosmic properties or if it is imbued by a spirit. A worship of objects is curious. You can smash an object. You can turn off the AI God. Seems like it to work there must be a ‘spiritual element’

aug 8, 2025, 8:47 pm • 2 0 • view
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Tim Ellis 🍁 @djdynamic.ca

I suspect a lot of it has to do with the inevitable caste of priests who attach themselves to the procedural worship of the object. You can't (easily) smash an object that has a high status caste dedicated to teaching people all the reasons to never smash it lol

aug 8, 2025, 9:14 pm • 3 0 • view
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Jared Friedman🇺🇦 @silkscreenfiend.bsky.social

This is why I keep coming back to the idea of a Savonarola as the only figure who can set us right - the mystical hater, the guy willing to devote body and soul to there being No More Fun of Any Kind and self-annihilating in the process.

aug 8, 2025, 9:19 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ozma @rowyourbot.bsky.social

Oh interesting—explain!

aug 8, 2025, 9:20 pm • 2 0 • view
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Jared Friedman🇺🇦 @silkscreenfiend.bsky.social

I think the backlash to the "lol nothing matters" corruption of Trump is going to be a movement that takes everything way too seriously, probably after surviving whatever catastrophe gets caused by the failure of all the systems he's breaking. Probably a reaction against tech too.

aug 8, 2025, 9:29 pm • 2 0 • view
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Jared Friedman🇺🇦 @silkscreenfiend.bsky.social

I think a lot of the time, the spiritual element is the human imagination and mental investment we put into it. But it throws it into overdrive when the object can talk back very convincingly. The place of "truth" in our lives is about to undergo a radical shift.

aug 8, 2025, 8:52 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ozma @rowyourbot.bsky.social

I know. 😭 I prefer Classic Truth. I do not want New Truth.

aug 8, 2025, 8:56 pm • 2 0 • view
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Jared Friedman🇺🇦 @silkscreenfiend.bsky.social

I mean... I guess that's actually a hopeful metaphor in and of itself? The Classic is still what they sell by the siloful, while the New has been nothing but a punchline for 40 years...

aug 8, 2025, 9:00 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ozma @rowyourbot.bsky.social

I guess I should say ‘responding to truth.’ When societies stop responding to truth in sustainable practices (fascism causes that) they crumble. You can HAVE a cult and flourish but can’t be Jonestown. We’re getting Jonestown now. You can believe the rainfall is from gods if you notice WHEN it comes

aug 8, 2025, 9:09 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ozma @rowyourbot.bsky.social

How truth operates in society is one of my lifelong questions. Societies can work BEAUTIFULLY while organized around untruths (kings, priesthoods). But there still has to be a core way of addressing truth that works or they fall apart. Maybe there’s ‘survival truths’? AI will threaten that one.

aug 8, 2025, 9:07 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ozma @rowyourbot.bsky.social

Holy smokes—yes. That’s very striking now. But in the research realm, it seemed like people understood this? Then it jumped to the corporate realm and it’s like ‘thinking is outputs. Toaster thinks bread.’

aug 8, 2025, 8:24 pm • 2 1 • view