There is nothing wrong with having an agenda if it is a good agenda. The scholars I shall list for those who wish to explore further have the righteous agenda of halting the evil processes of the gravest of crimes now being committed by the Israeli army under the direction of the Israeli government.
Melanie O’Brien, President of the International Association of Genocide Scholars. Omer Bartov, Brown University, Israeli who served in the IDF, says genocide is an “inescapable conclusion.” Shmuel Lederman, Open University of Jerusalem, who says “what Israel is doing is genocidal in every sense.”
Raz Segal, Stockton University, describes Gaza as a “textbook case of genocide.” Amos Goldberg, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Lee Mordechai, Israel, William Schabas, Canada. I can name other leading genocide scholars who judge that Israel is committing genocide upon request.
”A textbook definition of genocide” Aims at the destruction of a people. Palestinians grow in numbers, they aren’t diminishing, so that fails on the outset. If Israel really was trying to genocide the Palestinians, they wouldn’t warn them before attacking. This does not hold up to scrutiny.
All the scholars I name must have a knowledge of the legal definition of genocide. Maybe better than yours? Do tell us your qualifications to judge! What evidence do you have that the population of Gaza has grown? It is a statement that goes contrary to all good sense.
See the date? 2020! That was a study done before Israel started eliminating Gazans in 2023. Anybody who states that Gaza’s population has grown at the same rate after 2023 as it was growing in 2020 is deliberately playing the fool. We have seen with our own eyes the destruction of Gaza.
It’s still a growing population.
Assertion is not argument. Tell me who took the census. Maybe Caesar Augustus?
You can reduce the number by 45k (Hamas numbers) and it wouldn’t make a difference.
Could you make your statement a little clearer? Try, at any rate.
Hamas claims Israel has killed 45k Palestinians since October 7th. Subtract 45k from 5.1 million people and it wouldn’t impact the growth of Palestinians. It is a growing population and not a diminishing one.
Conclusion: not a genocide.
Bartov has also come into question and is from what I can discern heavily scrutinized over his agenda driven assertions of genocide :
Of course Zionists disagree with Bartov. The Israeli government have squadrons of people to disseminate lies. If you are one of the paid liars they should dismiss you. But if you are one of the amateurs, you should leave it to the professionals.
By Zionist you mean people who think a Jewish state should exist…? Do you not?
By Zionists I mean people who steal other peoples’ lands and homes for themselves and believe they have the right to do so. Zionists also believe that they have the right to drive people from their homes by violence and kill them if they try to reclaim them.
Oh, those zionists. Sorry, what does that have to do with Israel and the conflict in Gaza? You know since Israel bought their land from the Brits during the British mandate during which the Palestinians got thrown out of Jordan for trying to overthrow the Jordanians.
The UK took control of Palestine because it was on the route to British India. India became independent and Palestine was not so important to them; also Israeli terrorists were killing British soldiers and Britain wanted to be rid of the problem. Britain sold nothing to Israel: they had no right to.
Britain handed the problem to the UN. The UN was America’s tool at that time. The President needed Jewish votes to get a second term in the upcoming election. The US ensured Israel was recognised. But Israel in 1948 was given much less territory than it has now. The stealing went on until today.
Yes, since everytime Palestinians lost a war israel extended their territory. That’s how war works. Where the losing side secedes territory to the winner to erect buffer zones. That’s why the golan heights for instance are Israeli territory today, they earned it In warfare.
They had the right since they owned and controlled the land since they won the war . That’s how war works. It was never Palestinian land to claim as their own.
Oh yes, might is right! Russia has every right to keep every bit of the Ukraine they can conquer according to that rationale. What you say is contrary to international law and is therefore criminal. Zionism is criminal and the world is waking up to that fact thanks to people like you.
Russia hasn’t won, and won’t win, but if they did, then yes - they would keep Ukraine. You wouldn’t call Ukraine criminals for creating buffer zones on Russian soil after Ukraine wins, would you? Zionism is criminal now, is it? Your side sound more and more like Hitler every day.
no state should exist, but especially not a fascist ethnosupremacist one like Israel
So what would you have happen to Israel ?
dissolution and everyone who served in the IDF hung
or shot. or bludgeoned to death with rocks. thrown into the open ocean. seriously, im not picky, just so long as all the fascist Zionists are dead
Exactly, and that mindset is exactly why you can’t criticize them for any of their actions. You think and act far more barbaric than they ever have.
Me? More barbaric than the average Israeli! Never killed or maimed anyone. Never supported any political movement that was killing and maiming everyone who happened to get in the way of their land grab: babies, children, the disabled, aid workers, doctors, nurses, anybody at all. You are ludicrous.
im not starving innocent women and children and letting dogs rape men to death, so no, i am objectively better than any Zionist or IDF thug
Understood. Then you can’t fault them for thinking or acting accordingly to your moral framework :)
i actually can fault them for the same reasons i fault the Nazis. fascists don't get to claim self-defense
But you speak just like a Nazi, Wanting to eradicate jews. You’re not allowed to claim self defense.
lmao you use AI
Melanie O’Brien is an undergrad student with a batchelor of arts degree. She’s only been cited on work regarding child marriages and has 0 citations on papers with regards to genocide. She’s an activist , not an academic.
So you say, and on what authority? Are you going to reveal your evidence and your own qualifications to judge? I await you answer with mild interest.
This post is farcical. Dr. O’Brien was elected president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars by other genocide scholars, members of the Association. Her book “From Discrimination to Death: Genocide Process through a Human Rights Lens” is widely acclaimed. She holds 3 professorships
If Pykermouse is prepared to misrepresent the facts about Dr. O’ Brien in this way, I can only assume that he has a very lax attitude to truth generally.
Well, she got elected not on merit or Critical thinking. She probably got elected for her ad hoc rationale of the events in Gaza. They never adress the warnings, they never address the separation of military and civilian societies and how it affects the battle field. They never address intent.
Ridiculous waffle. For a start Dr. O’ Brien was elected in 2017, well before 2023, as you can check online in the Association’s records. Frankly, you don’t have the knowledge or the intellect to sustain this thread.
I am right on the issue though, maybe that’ll be enough :) The truth shall set you free, or whatever :) There’s no credibility to lend to a group of scientists who cannot adress basic questions to their work .
Condemning people fighting terrorists to save others is not a valid agenda , it spreads misinformation and sows division and risks inflaming. It isn’t good for anyone. Agendas are never valid in academia.
