In reality, it was mostly state capitalism, which is probably exactly what Trump is aiming at with moves like this.

WHY would we want to?

It's called fascism learn the difference that knowledge could save your life

No, fascism

"Trump's fee." What do I win?

MAGA is so obtuse.

Fascism. That is fascism. Workers owning it is socialism.

The russians said it decades ago: we will take the United States without firing a single shot. They just fired some shit, and here we are.

😠

Well, in a normal world that would be called communism. However in this instance it’s called Trump’s. Yup, it’s his. I’m sure that’s what he thinks.

Gimme gimme gimme... That's all I hear come out of his mouth. "It's mine" like a 4 year old with a toy

It’s actually Nazism, but why call it what it is when you can dishonorably impugn the reputation of your political rivals on the Left by accusing the Nazi in the White House of being a secret communist?

You can be a Nazi and a communist. The irony here is maga believes socialism is communism. And yet this buy by the govt is exactly why reading comprehension is so needed. They function on a first grade level. Also, they know he’s a Nazi, that’s why they love him!

How can you be a Nazi and believe in harmony between all people‘s and said people and nature? To be a communist is to believe in a Star Trek like future and I’m not talking about the technology. To be a fascist is to believe the same as the Sith e.g. Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine

Millions of Nazi murdering Soviet war fighters would like a word with you

Socialised services, where taxes pay for things like healthcare and education: socialist government, where the state runs the means of production. People get those mixed up, hey.

That’s not what socialist government is (and neither is this, this is fascism, literally). Socialism is the arrangement of industry, resources and effort to meet the needs of the people rather than maximise profit. It can therefore be both welfare provision and regulation of industry.

32 out of 33 developed economies (previously known as 'first world countries') have socialised healthcare and education, with the US being the outlier.

I know.

Imagine if the ‘radical’ left announced this.

The road yo fascism is paved with liberals squawking "this is communism"

Well aren't you a nice fella?

Not you too ametica is so fucking screwed A stake of a private company is capitalism merging of state and corporate power is fascism And it's not government ownership its public ownership Using that language is part of the reason people are incapable of understanding what socialism is

dangerous for the people

OOH! OOH! Pick me! Pick me! I know this one! It's COMMUNISM! Eyup.

Socialism.

Wrong

No. I’m not.

In general, using a dictionary definition of a complex economic system isnt helpful

If we are unable to use words as they are defined in the dictionary, then we have lost the ability to communicate with each other.

Fair, but the bluesky discourse from left leaning bluesky this week has been misusing “socialism” as a pejorative. Government ownership of companies CAN be socialism/communism, but this screams more kleptocracy The benefits not going to the workers, but to the wealthy, being a big clue

The extra word that everyone always fails to include in the definition is "Democratic" "Democratic ism" provides the marketplace in which all the other pure "isms" are allowed to compete.

It’s not just the dictionary definition. It’s the concept as described by Marx and Engels. When a word, like socialism or communism, is misused repeatedly, usually in a pejorative way, to describe economic systems that are actually more akin to feudalism, educated people should correct the record.

We apparently need a new term to describe when people own & run businesses/production/whatever for profit, but the government provides roads, education, justice and other non-profit services needed by the people. You know, the general welfare, common defense - like in the Preamble. Anybody got one?

There are other types of governments that have government control business, that alone does not define socialism is my point The point of socialism is for distribution of wealth to workers. Trump has zero intention of that, making it, again, a kleptocracy

Socialism is the literal definition of an economic system under which the government owns the means of production. You can have socialism under any form of government: monarchy, democracy, oligarchy…. Trump is using mafia tactics to seize ownership of businesses, making him a socialist kleptocrat.

You are ignoring the part where the means of production are owned by the workers, and making the mistake of thinking that’s the same thing as “the state” or the “government”. It’s not. When the govt operates in alliance with private capital, as here, it’s called Fascism.

Ah yes, how could I forget? Communism is when capitalism.

But let's fight potential "socialism" of Mamdani - SMH

Just shoot yourself in the leg then

There’s a reason why you’re trained to fear/hateful socialism. And why you’re NOT trained to fear what this is, it’s called Fascism. Literally the definition of fascism.

FASCISM !

Wonder if the money is going to trump someway.

Socialism

Not even slightly it's intentional that you font know what socialism is if you did you'd revolt against capitalism which commodified your existance and turned you into a disposable battery for parasites to use up and discard

Fascism

State capitalism where the state is the main monopolist.

What does monopoly mean Seriously, do better

Fascism

Kinda’ sounds illegal Or is that just me!

Geezus. No one is aware that govt owning the means of production is ….socialism

Could it be … COMMUNISM?! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

No

How far did you get into that wiki article?

“in the short run, state-oriented communists favor state ownership of the commanding heights of the economy as a means to defend the proletariat from capitalist pressure.”

Neat. Sounds like a pretty groovy concept to me. Now, how is trump defending the proletariat from capitalist pressure?

Is that a trick question?

Depends on your perspective, I guess. Thanks for chattin 👍

No.

💯💯💯 Well said, Ms. Ruby. 👍✊✌️ How can people be so naive? 🤔🤷‍♀️

I'm so glad he's doing all the things lefties have wanted the government to do for decades. This way we can justify nationalizing EVERYTHING in 2029.

Grasping reality where is the money going? Who’s overseeing the money? Which branch has control over the money? No framework in place is alarming to me. If it’s the people’s money I want the people to say where it goes. This isn’t for the people it an opportunity for the president. Trust issues much

Aaah, so now we know why they were so anxious to remove all those slavery exhibits. Cotton picking metamorphoses into chip assembling, but the song remains the same.

It is grossly negligent to call this communism. The anti-leftist propaganda on this platform, and in the liberal mind, is such an insane barrier to progress. Y’all are stuck in an unchanging mediocrity that is anti- intellectual at its root. Go read the manifesto dummies, because this ain’t it.

You are right. It is not communism in and of itself, but is one defining feature found in communist theory

Nope. State control of the means of production shares zero DNA with 10% share of a single company. This is crony capitalism at best and fascist consolidation of power with the owner class at worst. To be clear, it is that last thing.

The thing that murders my soul about this whole “fascism is really just communism” narrative ( besides it being the kind of anti-intellectual slop that got us to this point in time) is that no one is currently talking about how intel parts are used in weapons of war.

They will use this to enrich themselves by killing people and libs are gonna keep screaming “commie” and producing AI slop about Newsom being Superman that wastes water and energy and heats the earth to inferno. I don’t want to die in a man made apocalypse surrounded by fools yapping nonsense.

That's beautiful comrade

Your points are well taken

Communism

Fascism

Soviet-style communism involves state ownership of infrastructure. As trump is a Russian asset, this is the style of communism he prefers. He will attempt to be the American version of Putin, with Putin’s help, of course.

The Soviet Union was not communism. Communism isn’t a system, it’s a goal. It has no State, government, economy per se, commoditised money, private property, etc Look up Mussolini, he invented the system Putin and Trump want to impose on the world again. Not communism, FASCISM.

Stalinism the leading vanguard party of communist revolution at the time. Stalin 1878 - 1953 (You’re right - pre Soviet Union. Let me compare trump to Stalin instead.) There are root ideas of communism dating back to Ancient Greece.

Of course, Plato had a lot of ideas about the “natural way of organisation”, and expressed notions of what we might today call communist theory in ‘Republic’ and elsewhere. I think Mussolini is more apt a comparator than Stalin, in intent, personal hubris/dictatorial demeanour and incompetence.

It’s a shame our dictator doesn’t know how Mussolini’s time in government ended.

We live in hope that FAFO applies to the historically illiterate :)

Economist here and communism is definitely a system of allocating resources

No, this is not govt owning means of production. State ownership of shares in Intel and NVIDA kickbacks compromises their regulation of these industries. It is neither communism or socialism. The govt is enriching itself, nothing will be returned to the people.

It has precedent. It’s called Fascism.

Is the working class in control of the government, George?

Socialism

No, fascism learn the difference it might just save your life

Socialism is the word the GOP fears more than fascism as we see daily. But thanks for the heads up.

Liberals fear it more than fascism too countless examples throughout history liberals always choose fascism over socialism Almost like the "opposing"sides are both controlled

And yet we have socialized street/highway maintenance, snow removal, sidewalks, garbage pickup, street lights…

Privatise profits socialise losses That's capitalism

Yep

No, Fascism. Totally different thing.

10% stake in a company that is floundering? This is just bad business - aka classic Trump.

So, our great dealer in chief has purchased 10% of a company worth 109B after our purchase for 11B Great deal taco trump, an average deal maker could have gotten this for 10.9B, a great deal maker for 10B. All in a company that is a little bit on the risky side.

The answer is communism. #PutinsBitch

No it's fucking not sit down and shut up

The answer to the ? could be communism, if every citizen was paid according to their needs. But, when corporations & government collaborate to exploit citizens, which looks like what’s happening here, that’s fascism. It says a lot about US culture that communism is still the implication to demonise.

Exactly!

Another blackmail/quid pro quo Trump deal of little to no benefit to America nor Americans.

No more intel products in my house after this. Enough.

Taxpayers are going to end up hurting on this boondoggle.

A Disaster

Why would I want to use state controlled technology that is most likely going to be used to illegally gather information from people.

It doesn’t have to be state-owned for them to be able to track you, as proven by doge.

Not for the government. For Donald.

I need more explanation please.

Socialism?

No capitalism and fascism

Fascism

Trump is such a Commie Pinko/Socialist Libtard! Who knew?

None of those things. The word you’re looking for is fascist.

He's a bot and nobody likes him.

Socialism

Actually that would be communism.

Well I knew it was one of the isms ! 🤣

Also socialism

Fascism

Fascism is the one you’re looking for.

See I was right it was one of the isms

LOL yep, it almost always is I find :)

Neither 🫢

Trump is a communist!

No he fucking isnt he is a fucking fascist learn the fucking difference because the fascist are just about done coming for socialists and minorities you are next

The oppposite. This is fascism

Bye bye Intel

Everything he touches turns to shit, goes to prison, or dies... Bye bye intel

Socialism my dear, Socialism. “That unspeakable ill that Americans are taught to fear”.

No not even slightly

Definitely NOT socialism. The word you are looking for is Fascism.

Trumpism

It’s on the top of my tongue!!

F. A. S. C. I. S. M.

It looks like double taxation. Another Constitutional violation.

👍

Think I'll make sure my next laptop has an AMD CPU.

Just like Huawai.

Crime Syndicate running US Government. No Justice

Cankles is the only one with a pigs anus shaped mouth.

Definitely mobster rule

America is the world's largest mobocracy

You forgot Ghislaine!

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So weird seeing him wearing a bow tie.

Communism is where the workers own the means of production. What Trump is doing is extortion.

It's actually Fascism, Fascism is the correct answer here. Take a look at Mussolini's own definition of fascism (the term he coined): "the marriage of government and the means of production".

Agreed.

It's socialism for the government to own the means of production. search.brave.com/search?q=wha...

It could be construed as a form of socialism but not this. This is clearly extortion. The public gets no say or value from such an agreement. Besides, it gives well-intentioned socialism a bad name.

Gotcha.

This isn’t the only example of Trump communism. In the Soviet Union, unqualified people were promoted to positions of authority based only on their loyalty to the party. This is one example of how the ussr ultimately failed. Yet here we are an no one is taking about it or making the connections.

It’s not communism, it couldn’t actually be any further away from communism. It’s quite literally fascism

You missed the point. All through history we have called the Soviet Union “communism” when it was fascism/totalitarian all along. Trump is doing key things the Soviet’s did. This is how education has failed

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Communism? In fascism, things tend to be privately owned though. Not sure about part-ownership.

No, fascism. Communism involves total state ownership of industry and commerce, while fascism involves private, with significant government control and collaboration.

Not quite. There is no “state” or government in communism. Socialism is where the workers control the means of production, eg they work in a factory they collectively own rather than one owned by a capitalist or government. The closest thing to the Intel situation is fascism. cf Mussolini.

Oh, look, another fucking moron up on their soapbox.

Who happens to be 100% correct

No surprise given Trump’s slavish devotion to Stalinist Vladamir Putin, Trump will go Stalinist himself.

There are two aspects to any persons political outlook: their attitudes to equality and their attitudes to freedom. This is how the “political compass” works. It’s a square, not a line or circle Putin is authoritarian and oligarchical, as is Trump. Stalin was authoritarian and egalitarian.

In motivation, though not in practice due to incompetence, hubris and paranoia in the Kremlin. The authoritarian part is the same, but the objective is different. Stalin = authoritarian state capitalism as an attempt at communism Putin/Trump = authoritarian fascism as an attempt at oligarchy

He's lying and claiming credit for Biden's bill, George. The billions will come from previously awarded but unpaid government grants to Intel, which were originally part of the Biden-era CHIPS Act. Intel got $7.865 billion, supporting semiconductor fabrication and advanced packaging projects.

That isn't SOCIALIST, socialist. It's reverse-Libertarian!

It’s called fascism

He’s also lying. It did NOT cost the taxpayers 0 dollars. We already invested 2 billion or more & he used $8.9 billion in previously allocated federal funding as leverage to extort the 10% interest. I have a hard time believing he didn’t get a himself & his billionaire friends some side deals.

Does that mean they'll understand that as an importer of materials from other countries they'll be paying the tariffs and not the exporter?

Communism isn't it? 🤔

No it's fascism

But maga would say it's communism if it was not trump doing it, i know it's not but they wouldn't.

So why would you help them perpetuate that bullshit Do you atleast understand that socislism is our only way out of this mess

No, the opposite. Fascism

First, can you imagine the media reaction if Obama or Biden even thought about doing this? Then realize this is like everything he does all show and no dough.

Russia

In what way?

Just nothing current to compare this regime style to. I think he's tired of hearing about that "hitler" guy being so tough. Drumpf wants the top spot for most evil fuck ever. But, tick tock tick tock...Fascist to the core.

Got it, wasn’t sure what you meant but fascism is certainly something he is turned on by.

Trent Crimm - Independent

How much of the profit goes to Trump and his family? They've already raked in billions$ at the expense of citizens since he's POTUS. Forbes (2025): Trump’s net worth doubled in just one year, from $2.3B → $5.1B Bloomberg: The Trump family’s wealth has more than doubled since 2017, to ~$5.4B 👇

🔗 Forbes: www.forbes.com/sites/danale... 🔗 Bloomberg: www.bloomberg.com/features/202...

Main sources of 💰 - Crypto ventures ($TRUMP token, WW Liberty Financial) - Truth Social & media spinoffs - Licensing+merchandising (Bibles, sneakers, NFTs, books) - Real estate & clubs (projects in the Gulf) - Political donations spent at Trump properties 🔗 AP: apnews.com/article/b970...

Don’t forget the family > Jared Kushner’s Affinity Partners got a $2B investment from Saudi Arabia after Trump left office. New Yorker: family profits from presidency-related deals may reach $3.4B. 🔗 New Yorker: www.newyorker.com/magazine/202...

Trump’s presidency wasn’t just political. It became a profit machine for the family — crypto, clubs, foreign deals, donations. By most estimates, they gained $3–5B since 2017. Unprecedented for a modern U.S. president. The most corrupted POTUS in the US' history

And it wasn't his money to lose so he really does not care. Not that he earned ANY of the money he lost. He's a drain on everyone's bottom line

The ONLY reason he's fucking up the country... MORE MONEY INTO THE BLACK HOLE OF DESPARE HE CALLS HIS LIFE

Do we now BOYCOTT Intel?

Bezos and Zuck, time to pony up your 10% soon!

Fascism blends private enterprise with strong state control, prioritizing national interest and often enforcing a rigid social hierarchy. Socialism advocates for social ownership of the means of production to promote economic equality and collective well-being.

Socialism....

No Rip america The land of the politically illiterate disposable batteries

Fascism is the word you are looking for.

CLASSIC SOCIALISM!!!!!!

Literal fascism!

You have “don’t let America go nazi” in your pfp and can’t distinguish between state capitalism and socialism.

It's not state capitalism either it's merging of state and corporate power that's called fascism Which makes it even worse the guy doesn't even know what fascism is

This seems more communist than anything the left has ever done.

No it isn't its fascist learn the difference it might just save your life

It’s called Fascism. There’s no connection to communism or the left at all.

🤣😂 like republicans care.

Oh! I know this! It starts with a C... Com... Commu-something.

COMMUNISM , folks, that's what it's called AND IS!! THE ENEMY OF ALL OF US, except 47 and the ignoramuses who live his butt!! Pay attention, please. Thank you!

It’s called fascism, and is about as diametrically opposite to communism as it possible to be. It’s amazing how afraid/hateful Americans are to words they have no idea of the meaning of and can’t recognise fascism when it’s on the nightly news. World class brainwashing.

The 'common ownership of the means of production' by the State is a key edict of 'The Communist Manifesto'.

Not by the State :) Collective ownership is NOT State ownership.

In any case, the state is not taking ownership of Intel, it’s taking a share interest in collaboration with private capital that owns it, and operating in the mutual interest of capital and the government. Note: government, not the ppl/country That collaboration is the central premise of fascism.

I didn't hear about a purchase share price (or broker's 'FEE') being mentioned for this transaction - I figure that somebody may ask soon enough!

Once upon a time, the US became Russia's 51 state.

He probably means that he himself owns the shares. So that's capitalism.

Sounds most like fascist capitalism under Mussolini.

Bingo! Not sure how so many people here can think it's socialism not fascism.

A century of lies being force fed to them

They spent their lives being told to fear/hate socialism, but never what it is. Perhaps because if they knew they would think it sounded like a great idea? Maybe that’s why so much effort goes into demonising socialism and communism, we wouldn’t want the plebs getting ideas…

Honestly, growing up in conservative middle America in the 70's and 80's, I somehow missed the "socialism is bad!" nonsense. Most EU countries are socialist, and they're doing quite well both as nations and for their people, who tend to be the happiest people on the planet overall.

Not terribly socialist to be honest, but certainly more “balanced” compared to the US/UK. Class consciousness, solidarity and a history of sticking it to the toffs is an important precursor to social justice. The very reason why these things are discouraged I suppose :)

It's about as close to "true socialism" as a country seems to be able to realistically get, though. All the pieces are there, there's just a bit too much privatization to quite get to "truly socialist".

You hit the nail on the head. As long as there are “countries” there cannot be actual socialism. Countries require elites, elites require rewards, rewards require diversion of “goods” from meeting needs to meeting elite desires. Which is antithetical to socialism. “Class struggle” is the result.

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Well, socialism being the democratic ownership of the means of production is contrary to corporate personhood, so the oligarchy (synonymous with corporations in the US at least) invests heavily to discourage it, yes. And look over here - Culture Wars! Ignore the men behind the curtain.

State-run capitalism, George, aka corporatism. It tends to go hand-in-hand with fascism.

Hey Trump, Will that $11 billion pay down any of $8 trillion in debt that we the people have to pay that you’ve spent during your 4 1/2 years as president of the U.S.

That would be textbook Communism.

No it wouldn't its fascism learn the difference it might just save your life

From Copilot: When the government owns the means of production, it typically refers to a command economy or a communist system where the state controls resources and production processes.

Do you really think a 10% stake in a private company that makes ots own decisions fits that fucking description

Wrong ism. It’s textbook Fascism.

Marxism

No I can't believe how many people are so confidently wrong It's capitalism and fascism If you knew what marxism was you'd be able to recognise the difference

How so?

LOL The very opposite. Mussolinism. AKA fascism.

With the PedoFührer, his minions, and his supporters, every accusation is a confession. Every single one.

Communism anyone? The Felon is learning so much from his Dick-Tater pal.

No fascism it's fucking depressing how many people don't know the difference

Russia ain't communist by anymean tbf. It's run by olligarch aka a few choosen really rich peoples, ring a bell ?

Yeah, Communism in Russia ended when the USSR folded.

And depending on the period I wouldn't call USSR communist all the way through haha even though there is multiple forms of it.

Nope. Definitely not communism. Read a book.

Try American Nazism

Except when it is called authoritarian corporate fascism, which is what this is. Socialism and communism are about workers rights over capitalist. This something else.

Intel has just bought peace of mind for $11bn..

I am confused. He is both fascist and communist. I guess he decided to embrace both extremisms.

No just fascist learn the difference it might just save your life

There is no communism involved. Just freshly minted fascism.

I notice he’s dropped the capitals. Mostly.

Fascism

What the hell is with the “thank you for your attention to this matter”? Did he just learn the sentence and thinks it makes him sounds important? It makes him more rediculois

Everything he touches does, so there’s that.

Equality.

Deutsche Bahn or Deutsche Post or Telekom. While I do highly appreciate you and your insights George, this time (and as far as I know only this time) you are dead wrong about the 🍊💩. For a change, he once managed to do the right thing by accident and secure strategic assets for the US.

Criminal shakedown

It is called RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES YOU PEDOPHILE!

Donald Trump has nothing against communism, if he is the supreme leader. No one else matters.

Yes he does what a stupid thing to say Communism is stateless and classless the mango Mussolini would have no power under communism

You mean like Xi has no power under communism?

Yes actually Xi would have no power under communism

Under the textbook definition, sure. But here in the real world there has never been a communist government where the leader did not have massive power. There is no pure communism just like there is no pure capitalism. They are ideas that get corrupted or softened in practice.

Communism is pure that's why the definition is so specific Socialism and capitalism is on a spectrum but communism is not The entire spectrum of capitalism is cruel and unsustainable The systemic incentives are obscene and are the direct cause of all of our problems

Both Capitalism and Communism have pure definitions and muddy reality. Socialism is a way point between the two. As I said, in the real world Trump would love to have the power of being supreme leader in a communist country. But perhaps if you throw some more insults you can make your point.

No capitalism's definition applies to a wide range from social democracy to fascism The definition of communism does not allow for that

Case in point is this debate. You cannot let it go, you have to "win". That is why communism always fails. Human nature.

Quick shut the conversation down it's straying outside of acceptible discourse Which part of capitalism is human nature the 99% being miserable wageslaves or the 1% being parasitic bludgercunts Communism is human nature until its programmed out of us Human nature is shaped by material conditions

You seem to cherry pick your definitions to make your point. I get it, you are a fan of communism. Sounds nice, but only in theory. Human nature does not allow it to ever be developed in its pure form. It gets corrupted. I think we have beat this topic to death.

Again there are no communist countries And no Trump would not be leader in a communist country nor would he want to be that would put his life in danger

I will give you the win you seem to need. Trump would not have power in some ideological communist country that has never existed and never will. He WOULD however have massive power as leader of any of the countries that have tried to apply communism in the history of the world.

No he wouldn't he would not be able to get power under a socislist system and he damn sure wouldn't have got to keep it he is everything socialism is was and always will be against

You have a serious misunderstanding of what these words mean and that is intentional If you understood you would revolt No country has been communist a communist government doesn't make it a communist country The definition of communism is very specific Stateless classless moneyless society

There is no communism involved, this is pure fascism.

Fascism for sure. But getting into communism with this take over of the means of production. Fascism is only far right in some definitions.

Mussolini coined the term fascism, and defined it as precisely this “amalgamation of capital and power”, he said it could also be called Corporatism. The economic angle IS the fascism. It’s always far right because it serves power and money, at the detriment of those who have neither.

The Trump seems to be a classic mercantilist. So I guess Presidential economic theory is a century or so before the voyage of the Mayflower, and a few centuries before those bearded gents who developed dialectical materialism

But affordable healthcare is socialist. I get it.

Bankruptcy?

From the rights own definitions, Trump is acting like the nazis. wallbuilders.com/resource/the...

Oh dear. No, they weren’t. The nazis operated a system whereby industry and states were synergistic, but industry was still privately owned (and thereby, so was government). They got the idea from Mussolini. He called it Fascism.

Which comes from the Italian Facès, the bundle of rods and axes which gave the legions the authority of the Roman emperor. My point is, the nazis took control of private industry and created a centrally planned economy which is very socialistic. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superca...

And this centrally planning, and the right wing article i posted makes the case that they were socialists because of their centrally controlled economy, and thats why tru.os America isn't facist. So my ultimate point is that this right-wing own definition would now paint trump as facist, and nazi.

Controlled or planned economy is not a unique feature of “socialist” states. It is a reaction to external restrictions like sanctions, inability to access global markets, lack of foreign currency reserves, etc. any state in these circumstances must control the economy to ensure survival.

The features that ARE specific to “socialistic “ economies are the collective ownership of industries by their workforce (not partial ownership by govt and/or private capital), and the prioritisation of output to meet the needs of the people rather than to make profit.

What is happening here has neither of those features. Instead it is the collaboration of govt and private capital with the aim of profiting from the combination of power and capital. That is fascism, as coined by Mussolini himself. He also called it corporatism, it’s the same thing.

It turns out - from 10 minutes of intense Googling - that "nobody knows." 😄 I assume that you were suggesting that it's communism, Marxism or socialism (and I assumed that that was true) but I can't find a source that clearly and unequivocally agrees. That said, Trump is the least reliable source. 😁

Fascism, actually. By Mussolini's own definition, and he'd know since he coined the term: "the marriage of government and the means of production". Not socialism, because socialism implies that the government is of, for and by the people, meaning the people are part of the means of production.

My point - and I do have one - is that *scholars* don't (seem to) agree. Sure, Benito can (and usually did) say whatever he liked. If I say "I'm the king of France" most would agree that I'm not the King unless there's concurrence by, you know, FRANCE. (And, eventually, "history") #NotDisagreeing

Well, Mussolini said that Fascism should be called corporatism. So I guess my questions as an answer are, own how, and for whom?

Why do I feel like this only the first purchase? What’s next?

He said he paid nothing for the shares, so not a purchase. More like a shakedown. "Nice business you have there, it'd be a shame if something was to happen to it." Intel is paying for protection (from competition, regulation, regime harassment).

A shake down for sure and yet another dangerous step in the authoritarian playbook. I hate this fker.

Government ownership is call Communism.

Not exactly - socialism envisions a mix of public and private ownership. Communism eliminates the concept of private property altogether. Partial government ownership of businesses is more properly seen as socialism.

No socialist supports any private ownership whatsoever because every socialist opposes capitalism

Wrong. Socialism is about the welfare of the citizens not about business ownership. All of the capitalist free-market countries have socialist government programs.

Why are you lying about socialism?

Socialism is about the public commons and ensuring the public health and welfare. Intel Corporation is neither of those things.

I am a literal communist! Socialism is about the structure of the workplace, it is about workers, owning the means of production, owning their workplace and having democratic control of their worklife! Socialism fundamentally is workplace democracy nothing more nothing less!

Unionism is the workplace socialist construct, providing good pay, benefits, and safety. In some instances unions become owners and gain board membership.

Socialist believe in unions as a shield against capitalist violence but it is not the socialist construct. You call yourself defender of democracy and you’re out here arguing against workplace democracy, of their being no more authoritarian capitalists to abuse and terrorize the working class.

Not true at all I’m afraid. Socialism envisions the means of production being held collectively in the hands of the workers. Specifically with production geared to meet the needs of the ppl not profiteering. Govt and corporate coownership is called Facism. Communism doesn’t have governments.

Public ownership of the public commons only, for the good of the people.

You have fascists, is that ok?

Isn't this what China does? Kind of like black mailing a company to be complicit. I just wonder how many shares got dumped into donald's pocket?

This is the other way around

Here is the presser: www.intc.com/news-events/...

The Trump chip's AI is massively hallucinatory.

1. You can't win any shareholder votes with 10%; 2. How does this dilute shares of INTC?

Increasing the number of shares without adding capital divides the existing capitalization among a greaterer number of shares, hence theoretical value of each share is less, or "diluted."

Okay, the presser says these votes will always go with the majority.

It means the government knows that it's base of support is so intellectually incompetent that it can do whatever you wants, even it means contradicting all the tenants their support group claimed to hold dear. In short, our government is fueled by ignorance, avarice and malevolence.

State-controlled technology is generally implemented for security purposes—such as preventing terrorism and serious crimes—by enabling real-time data collection and analysis.

I don't think that's the reason why the T administration 'took over' Intel.

Also Trump can only run a business out of business.

So, what you're saying is that you support pedophilia? Cuz only pedophiles support Trump...

1. that’s not what Trump is doing here. 2. democracies do that by legislation, not strong-arming corporations to give them ownership of the corp.

When the government owns the means of production, it's called "socialism". Trump has literally led the Republican Party to embrace socialism; and they think it's great!

Sosherlizem…

Faszchizm ackshully.

F-f-f-f-fascism or communism- depending on how you interpret the news.

Fascism and capitalism if you think otherwise you are politically illiterate

It bears no relation or resemblance to communism so… Call it what it is: Fascism

HE paid nothing. Let’s do the math. WE paid for it. Taxpayer Funding - $11.1B $2.2B via the 2022 CHIPS and Science Act + $5.7B from CHIPS they hadn’t received, + $3.2B in funds already awarded as part of the Secure Enclave national security program, the company announced on its website.

THIS IS NOT HOW OUR COUNTRY IS SUPPOSED TO OPERATE!!!

Yes it is its a capitalist country this is exactly how it's supposed to operate

MMhmmm, you're right, but who's doing fuck-all about it?

Isn't that communism? Funny, all those stupid fucking MAGAts call is commies... How do they manage to breed?!?!?

No it's fascism imagine saying something so politically illiterate right before calling other dumb fucks stupid for not knowing the definition of a word you don't know the definition of

WTF, dude? I made a mistake... I made it clear I was not sure if my answer was correct or not. Thanks for being a decent human being. Hope that works out for you... 👍

And went out of your way to call other people stupid knowing you didn't know what you were talking about thanks for showing me how to be a decent human

Not even close to being communism.

My bad... I am not an expert... it was a wild guess 🤷‍♀️

It is exactly fascism

Paying tribute to a fascist government is being conflated with socialism. Where do you people learn about politics?

What is this “learn about politics” of which you speak? Sounds very unAmerican to me…

Incredible future, as in "It's incredible that Intel is going bankrupt"?

"Conservatives" & one particular "Conservative" think tank paved the road to destroy the very premise of the United States Government advanced by founders imbued with ideals of the enlightenment. What irony that a movement dubbed "conservative" will destroy convention & stability to wield power.

😂

Karl Marx would be proud.

Not really

Have you ever read Marx, or anything for that matter

State controlled capitalism. Communism would be the workers owning the factories.

No. If the people owned the factory, that is socialism. This is communism. The government owning the means of production. I wonder what all those Vietnam Veterans that were sent off to fight “communism” think of this?

No, this is fascism. Communism is stateless.

Sorry to break it to you, but all communist regimes it was the government that owned the factories. …under the guise of “we are the people”. Basically same as Trump’s doing.

Sigh, agree

That's because what you're referring to wasn't actually communism. It's fascism. Just like American fascism isn't capitalism. It's fascism.

Weird how every single attempt at communism ends up being fascism.

Once those in control of the govt control all the means of production, without checks, their inate self-interest invites corruption. Elections in democratic countries provide a check on corruption, since the voters choose who is elected. There are exceptions, the US being a prime example today.

Because we have to all agree to stop having borders to do actual communism. Beyond that, we have democratic socialism which mostly works.

So, a classic Utopia. Greek etymology, literally meaning “not + place” = fantasy world. I never get what Americans mean by “democratic socialism”. Seems to be more “identity” than a political term. I’ve lived in Norway, so used to social democracy. Way more “capitalist” than “socialist”. Works.

Social democracy IS democratic socialism. And yeah, utopia. Which is why it hasn't ever actually happened.

Nah, US Democratic Socialists are on a different planet to the social democrats in Norway. Seriously different planet. Social democracy in Norway embraces capitalism, is very pragmatic, low drama, etc. Very unlike US DemSocs!

Communism was state capitalism, where through the state, everyone owned all means of production. The p̂ath to socialism, where everyone worked for pleasure, and shared the output of production. Evidently, communism never migrated to socialism.

I thought the government was made up of "We, the people"

Do you believe in the Easter Bunny, too?

Not my fault you thought that.

It's ME, the TRUMP!

It is. But not you.

Obviously as I'm not an American citizen.

Haha

They laugh and say not the same. Nothing will disabuse them of their sycophancy to him

Socialism would be the workers owning their workplace and operating via democracy. Communism is like the social structure of earth from Star Trek, all the world‘s people are in harmony with one another, and they are in harmony with the natural world

That part.

Communism is when the entirety of government is controlled by one Communist Party. Vietnam, North Korea, and the USSR? All communist. Communism is and was used to justify authoritarianism, murder, and genocide. It refers to a form of extremism, so I am against it.

The Diddler in Chief, never met a lie he doesn’t like. Spends more time hiding his Cankles than helping the middle class.

That’s way over their heads.

I wonder how much his family business made off the kickback . . .

Yet another reason not to buy Intel

Hmm? Socialism maybe? Political theory is not a continuum from right to left, if you go far either direction you wrap back around to authoritarian dictatorship.

Trump is human garbage. How many of the shares is he keeping for himself? Who is following where the shares go?

Socialism the terrible thing that dragged your nation out of a depression and beat the Fucken Nazis.

Just bend over and take it!

Not my style

In Russia, Stalin did it for years.

No he fucking didn't this is not socislism it's fascism

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LMAO this can’t be real!!

It is though, Newsom's media team is cooking 😂

Fucked in the head more like

So true.

idiots. They could have called the extortion but now all of Scandinavia is looking at Newsom like "wtf u up to?! Them eggs gonna go elsewhere..."

If Scandinavia sees Newsom’s stuff, they’ll realize he’s just pointing out how stupid Trump is, not think that Newsom is an actual communist. They already decided not to give America eggs, but that was because of tariffs, not ideology.

And because Scandinavians are smart 💕

Scandinavians, to a somewhat large extent, at least in comparison with USA, see themselves (ourselves) as socialist or near enough. Newsom playing on the US "socialism is communism is state control" fantasy just makes him seem not much better than Trump. Ignorance is not to be abused.

Probably shouldn't be giving them ideas, guys... seriously. MAGAts won't think this is a joke, like at all.

Like psychedelics….😈

Hahaha, no, what I'm saying is that MAGAts are too stupid to 1) understand that this is communist shit and 2) probably too stupid and too brain-wormed to not see it as a glorious promotion of fearless ketchup-ear leader. The irony and satire would be completely wasted on them.

We need national deprogramming

I... can't argue against that one. I dunno how else this whole Culture War nonsense is going to end... unless people just unilaterally get sick of it and give it up. Given the political botnets in place to continue stirring it up and working into human nature, I can't see it ending, though.

lol this is hilarious

Wrong bogeyman. Try this one, at least he was the fascist who invented the fascism that Trump is now engaging in.

Exactly

They usually say communism. But "The United States paid nothing for these Shares, and the Shares are now valued at approximately $11 Billion Dollars.", which is taking without compensation. Like any totalitarian government. Was the alternative a cage in El Salvador for the CEO ?

Then Norway and Saudis must be the most socialist countries, as state owned funds and companies hold a lot (1,8 trillion and 2,5 trillion worth respectively) means of production.

I mean, Norway IS the happiest place on earth. Socialist

It might be Finns but same difference. We are surely all comnunists here in the Nordics

I hope y'all are seeking political refugees from the u.s.🥹

Is it not concerning that he doesn't understand the concept of 'fully'?

Does the GOP have any line at all? They could stop this at any time

It’s called fascism. Just look at what Hitler & Mussolini did

Authoritarian government taking over businesses and destroying mom and pop shops. The fox is in the hen house. . . . and he brought his friends.

George you are the best 😹

LOLOLOLOLOL

Who is writing these tweets for Bozo? Any unified paragraph, with complete sentences, standard spelling, and "big" words is not Trump's. Steven Miller, perhaps?

He finally figured out how to use chatbot or ai chat a month or two ago. I noticed it was his rantings but with sentence structure, grammar, and punctuation.

Yeah, I think I remember it now.

Yep, that’s Fascism.

Free Capitalism is Dead.

You are a disposable battery being used up and discarded by oatasitic bludgercunts that buy governments and wield them into a hammer and use them to beat people down What does freedom mean

Capitalism would died centuries ago if it had ever been “free”. Fascism is the inevitable price of keeping the abysmally fragile and inefficient system going.

Isn't it funny how GQP & MAGA always calls the Liberals and Progressives "Communists" and how terrible we are but now they are promoting and sponsoring a "Communist" regime? Full Frontal Hypocrisy!!

This is fascism not communism isn't it funny 9 out of 10 people in this thread has no fucking idea what communism, capitalism, socialism, or fascism is And still feel the need to share their wilful ignorance

Except this isn’t actually communism

There’s a reason Communism and Socialism are equally hated across the power spectrum. To find out why, learn what each of them actually are, it becomes obvious. This is fascism. There’s a reason why you’re NOT taught to be afraid/hateful of fascism from a young age.

We’ve known for a long time that they don’t actually know what it means. They’ll call people they don’t like “communist” but they couldn’t define it to save their lives.

Can you define it?

It is an economic philosophy which states that the government should control all means of production and the elimination of private property. I read the Communist Manifesto for a class when I was a student (admittedly some time ago).

So not what Trump is doing

Give it time ... Trump is working on it. Stalin had 5 year economic plans with state-owned industries. Expect we'll see something like that here.

The Intel situation would at least give pause to people who are genuinely anti-communist. But the truth is that most people who use the word as a slur typically don’t actually know what they are talking about. And they most likely won’t blink an eye over this.

Ok

Truth socialism.

Fascism

In this case, fascism, or corporatism. The alliance of the government and corporate executive classes for the enrichment of a few, rather than the union of workers and civil servants for the benefit of all.

I can't believe how many people think state owned is communist/socialist when in fact this is one of the clear defining features of fascism! It's like education was warped so much that everyone has it backwards. Corporate aligned interests in the state is literally a defining feature of fascism.

For it to be Communism the goods and services would have to be distributed equally to the populace. For Fascism it's the Government who benefits from the control of the Means of Production. There used to be a caveat in the Definition of Fascism: When the Government controls the means of production

and those who control the means of production control the government.

This isn't that. share.google/5j8QzxWhxQQQ...

It's called state capitalism. Absolutely not to be confused with socialism, where the workers own the means of production. Makes me think, perhaps the poor sods who actually have to buy what the workers make could do with a stint owning the means of production?

It’s more accurately called Fascism. State capitalism doesn’t involve private interests in managing industry etc, it’s the govt (or ‘party’) alone operating the economy as a “business”.

It can be a spectrum in practice. China has a state capitalist economy but there are also private billionaire owners.

In purely economic terms, China is operating as a fascist state, according to Mussolini’s definition. Slightly different as it has arisen from the loosening of state capitalism to include private interests rather than the appropriation of private interests by the govt. But in essence, fascism.

Its socialism, of the national sort

It’s fascism.

That's what I meant - National Socialism

“National Socialism” was not socialism, it was fascism. Like cottage pie isn’t actually made from cottages and peach cobbler isn’t made from shoemakers. And Fox News isn’t news. Like that.

Wow!! - You seem to be fun, I stand corrected

You may think it trivial, but the narrative that what is happening here is ‘socialism’ when it is actually fascism is extremely dangerous. It’s important to point this mislabelling out, and ask why Newsom etc are deliberately doing it. It speaks to their comfort with fascists and fear of revolution

The “nazis were socialists” trope is part of the same misdirection. If Americans thought about why they’re raised to fear/hate socialism and questioned why it is such a “bogeyman” I think a lot of ppl would have a flash of insight as to who is really running the show in the USA

What a pity Hitler didn't have you to give him the good advice you are giving me when he clearly and in hindsight mistakenly, renamed the NDAP to NSDAP in 1920. There again if Ebert/SDP, and Thälmann/KPD in Weimar spent less time knocking bits off each other then maybe they could have stopped Hitler

The name was carefully chosen to mislead the German people into voting for them. Yes, there were Germans who didn’t know that fascists lie, surprising huh?

It’s now “chairman Don”

Comrade Don!

El Duce, more accurately.

"The workers control the means of production"

Communism bad, unless the Government is doing it. Just like Government welfare payments are bad, unless being paid to corporate America.

This is fascism. There is no government in communism.

Isn't the whole point of communism a government thing? As in "the government owns everything" and "the people (theorically) owns the government"?

No communism doesn't have a government

The point is that conservative Americans have been screaming "they're a Communist!" at any person they don't like the political views of since the Cold War, and now their favoured mouthpiece is taking steps to seize the means of production.

Not what is happening. This is the institution of fascism - the symbiosis of power and private capital. At the detriment of those who have neither.

Communism is where there s no state, no government, no ‘social order’, communities organise themselves and look after each other. Socialism likewise is ownership by the workers NOT the state. The two are not interchangeable. This is fascism.

Yeah, no, fair enough. I've spent way too much time listening to the aforementioned screaming by Americans that I do sometimes forget what actual Communism means, haha.

No government, no state no order, isn't that anarchy?

Anarchy simply means the absence of a ruling class. It can exist in any number of models of society, from marauding post apocalyptic Mad Max style dystopia to isolated gatherer native tribe in the deep Amazon. Communism is one possible model, anarcho-syndicalism is another.

Soon : "CPU's design are WOKE ! I will design the next one MYSELF ! It will be a beautifull "

Trump knows more about chip design than anyone on the planet! 🤣😂

Hummm.. right, but too long. The correct answer is : "Trump knows more than anyone on the planet !". (source : himself)

Alarms are going off every day. No one is listening.

Probably just as good a deal as the rest, not worth the paper it's written on.

“The United States paid nothing for this…” - sounds like extortion.

And theft.

Extortion of the American people. He's re-appropriating funds paid with U.S. taxpayer dollars, without our consent!!

$9 Billion!

At least, we could assume Congress People were using their own money trading stocks!

8.9 billion was stolen from Funding for the CHIPS and Science Act and the Secure Enclave program.

Isn’t extortion illegal? If anyone else did it they would be in jail.

Communism!

No fascism learn the difference it might save your life

read the rest of the thread, it might save, not only your life, but other's

I did it's filled with political illiteracy less than 1% of these people know what they're talking about and are confidently giving the wrong answer America is so fucking screwed

Decent discussions are part of a literate nation. It's not about always being right or perfect. When you come in hard, angry and insulting, the discussions pretty much end and effective dialogue goes out the door.

Decent discussion has been almost entirely eliminated It's contained discussion it never ventures into systemic problems and it never ventures into alternatives to capitalism unless it's to misrepresent them It's the one thing liberals and conservatives agree on Why is that?

Now this is the way to speak when you're trying to prove a point. You did it. Makes me more open to hearing your thoughts. Well done.

If you are offended by what i have said you really need to reflect on why that is

Not offended at all. Just saying that how you treat people affects how willing they will be to listen to you. When people feel insulted, the conversation shifts to an argument and no longer an intelligent exchange of ideas. And it's easy to be nasty on social media when you're not face to face.

I'm still not seeing anything nasty in our exchange I corrected you and advised learning the difference and that knowledge may actually save your life Liberals(democrats) are not opposed to any of what is happening they've facilitated it Capitalism is the cause communism is the solution

I know why it is. You're mean.

Maybe it is mean you try to stop people from perpetuating lies so be it. You still shouldn't be offended when called out on ignorance that perpetuates the problems we are seeing

Socialism.

No fascism learn the difference it might save your life

No. That’s where the workers (not the state) own the means of production.

With all due respect, I think you’ve got it backward.

I don’t think I accept the socialism definition tbh. But never impossible that I’m wrong. 😑

I’m just going by Marx’s original definitions. Which have never been successfully put into practice and have been completely corrupted by…government corruption.

I should definitely accept Marx !

Yup. His definitions, at least. Particularly as he and Engels literally wrote the book on the subject.

Marx didn’t make the first or only definition of Socialism. Among others the Levellers got there before him. Here’s Wikipedia’s take on it:

As you are aware, when modern scholars refer to socialism and communism as modern economic systems, they are primarily referring to the Marxist definitions, not the 17th century model, unless otherwise specified. But thanks for the info.

Mussolini coined the term fascism, and defined it as exactly what Trump is doing with Intel. Just FYI.

The irony. 😂

You’re not, you’re adopting a dictionary definition that conflates community with state. Marx never did that. Government is the problem, it forms a “third leg” that relies entirely on capital and labour to exist, and therefore seeks to make deals with one or other in its own interest.

No, he’s quite correct. Socialism is the ownership of the MOP by the workforce, ie they work in a factory they collectively own, not one that belongs to a capitalist or government. Reading “government “ as a synonym of workers, people or community is a fundamental mistake. They aren’t the same.

We're both right. In socialism the govt's ownership of the means of production ensures that the benefits of economic activity are shared more broadly, not concentrated in the hands of a few. Communism takes it further, advocating for common ownership with the goal of creating a classless society.

You're both wrong. You're both politically illiterate and you should both keep your wilful ignorance to yourselves

shaneshouldshuttheeffinupbyebye

Complete bullshit. Ask yourself why the Berlin Wall collapsed. Russians were starving. And Russia had no hard currency.

I'm not defending any of it. We were just defining and comparing the two types of government because George asked the question.

Fair enough. My only point is that communism requires that all of the people jointly control means of production and distribution. But it has never worked in a modern society. The term communism is often, wrongly, used interchangeably with socialism. Anyway, MAGA supposedly hates both.

I agree. Communism is more stifling and authoritarian. And only the working class are "equals" while the ruling party live like royalty.

Yes. That’s communism as it has been applied in places like Cuba, China and Cambodia. But it’s not true communism, wherein everyone, even the leaders, if there are any, contribute what they can and get what they need. That has never happened. The ideal communist society would be Star Trek.

I don't think those countries' "communist" leaders even know what the real definition of communism is. They just want to implement totalitarian rule.

I think the leaders know. They use the language of communism to trick the people into submitting to virtual slavery. The atrocities that have been committed in the name of communism have largely been perpetrated by the people upon their neighbors while the fat cats sit back in palaces and watch.

Its the promise of equality which is, as you said, a lie. Frankly, I don't understand the joy these people get from watching others being oppressed. It's sadistic.

They’re psychopaths. People like Stalin, PolPot, Hitler, Putin, Mussolini, & Trump are just bad people. It’s that simple. Like one of my favorite scenes from the X-Files: Clyde Bruckman: Don't you understand yet, son? Don't you get it? You do the things you do because you're a homicidal maniac.

Right. Regardless of how you spend your days, in the end everyone gets the same amount in the free cheese line. Just don't grow up thinking of ever owning your own business one day. That's called, 'living the socialism dream'

There is no such thing as a free cheeseburger. ECON 101.

apnews.com/article/cuba...

www.rbth.com/history/3312...

You’re both wrong. It’s fascism.

You're right by definition as there are no private businesses in pure communism. The funny thing is tho that China's ruling class calls itself the Chinese Communist Party yet China has a significant and thriving private sector. The lines between fascism, socialism, etc have blurred over the years.

Indeed. The “problem” is that communism is a post-state condition, so it’s literally not possible for there to be a “communist state”. China would call itself a collective rather than a state, but realpolitik demands an iron rule over a historically fragmented and notoriously diverse society.

Star Trek's cybernetic collective beings called the Borg comes to mind! 😁 The Borg isn't a political system so may be a bit of an extreme comparison but funny how life repeatedly imitates art.

I think it’s an extremely valid observation. I think of it as being Borglike in that it assimilates the “subject” into a tightly organised structure where it is technically still an individual (cf Locutus). As opposed to eg Cybermen, where the individual is completely erased and becomes a machine.

Great point! Are you referring to the Dr. Who's Cybermen?

Of course :) I only use top flight citations :)

It’s Nazism being done by an American Nazi but why tell the truth when you can impugn the honor of your political rivals on the Left to make liberalism look more appealing?

Agree! The difference I think is that the orange turd is not intelligent enough to govern. He idolizes dictators because he is greedy, corrupt & wants unchecked power but he's undisciplined & has zero strategy so it's the arse-kissers around him who manipulate him that are actually in charge.

No.

Actually yes, it's both socialism & communism. Socialism ensures that the benefits of economic activity are shared more broadly. Communism just takes it further, advocating for common ownership with the goal of creating a classless society where resources are distributed based on need.

Shared among the workers, not just forcibly seized by the government. This is state capitalism.

State capitalism focuses on accumulating capital & maintaining political power while state socialism centers on the state planning the economy to meet social needs. It's fun to argue definitions but it takes away from what George is trying to hilight which is the totalitarian dreams of DT.

Mussolini literally coined the word fascism to describe precisely the situation trump is creating. It is fascism.

Thing is, I don't think the turd even knows the definition of what he's doing. Historians & academics have studied & defined types of govts through the years but I think authoritarians, dictators & fascists don't pattern themselves after one or another. They're just being their disgusting selves.

Oh he has no idea that he’s cosplaying Mussolini. He just loves the idea of personifying his country and reaping the benefits of it. It’s why he has such a hardon for Putin et al. No conception that he’s a caricature, I mean just Look at Mussolini - remind you of anyone?

ps. the posturing is definitely Turdy's!

Omg! You hit the nail on the orange head! 😂 Reminds me if SM! Is this who you had in mind?

It’s neither, it’s fascism

COMMUNISM.

Wrong ism. It’s fascism

The part where the government gets to own parts of private businesses is communism.

No it isn't imagine being corrected and having another go at the same incorrect take

Imagine disagreeing and not giving a fuck.

No, it’s fascism. Communism doesn’t have governments OR private property (eg businesses), so it would be literally impossible for what you describe to be the case. However, the government and private capital being entwined like this has a name. Fascism.

The new Presidential Seal.

Socialism

No fascism

When the workers own it, it's socialism. When the government does, it's communism.

Socialism is supposed to be when workers own the means of production. A co-op or a union in control of a company is socialist. The government owning means of production is just nationalized industry, which can be utilized by any authoritarian regime regardless of their politics otherwise.

AI Overview is not a good source for information on anything. Click a link.

Jfc, is that better🙄 feel free to post your favorite version of something worded differently

Communism not Socialism.

No Nazism

No.

The Chinese Communist Party

Not even close. This is fascism, pure and simple.

State owned businesses. Isn’t that socialism/communism?

A tiny share of a private corporation is capitalism merging if state and corporate power is fascism Socislism is public ownership snd democratic control of the means of production

The problem people are having is "the state" is supposed to be THE PEOPLE. Our politicians have made it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR they think WE work for THEM, not the other way around.

Socialism.

Not even slightly it's capitalist investment in private business Capitalism Merging of state and corporate power is fascism Socialism is public ownership of the means of production

Actually you're both wrong: Fascism.

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology. Socialism is an economic system wherein government controls the means of production. You can have socialism with fascism or democracy. But under fascism, the government wields its stranglehold on the economy to control/oppress/enslave the people.

Except that authoritarianism is completely contrary to the people democratically owning the means of production, which is part of the core definition of socialism. So no, you cannot have a fascist socialism, it would be a paradox. Yes there are countries claiming to be that, but they're lying.

If you define socialism the way you did, then you’d be correct. However, classically, Socialism=Government owning the means of production. Communism=The people owning the means of production. Socialism & communism are often used interchangeably, but they’re not really the same. Peace.

Oxford Dictionary called: "socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." Not government. Community, aka The People. Aka democracy.

Classical socialism is more about common ownership over the means of production by workers and communities directly. Cooperative ownership is an example. These ideas predate the USSR (which employed state ownership). Figures like Charles Fourier and Robert Owen are foundational.

Please look up the person who coined the term Fascism. His name was Benito Mussolini, and he defined it as the synergy of capital and government to control and profit from the national economy and wealth. Socialism is where the WORKERS control the means of production. This is fascism.

For the record, you are correct and PiecedResister is (somewhat) wrong in this case. Authoritarianism is strongly on the rise in the US, but that's separate from the Fascism which is also happening and which this governmental ownership in a company is more aligned with.

Agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

Happy to let you be wrong, likewise

Not unless the profits are distributed for the general good of the people. This feels more furthering the oligarchy/kleptocracy

This is Nazism. Buying stock in a company even when the government does it is not the workers owning the means of production. It’s not them owning their workplaces.

No.

No it’s fascism.

If you think the State is going to get anything out of this, i have a christofascist kakistocracy to sell you.

No, that is worker owned businesses.

Are we really going to follow Orban’s Hungary down the authoritarian and economic toilet?

It is a defining feature of communism

No. Mob mafia bosses. Give me this or this will happen.

It’s actually the literal definition of fascism, about as far from communism as you can get.

It’s called communism The irony though after they have called us communists for years and now this You can’t make this up

No it's not you are politically illiterate no wonder america is so fucked up

So what is it then when a company takes a stake out of a private company’s profits?…. Go ahead enlighten me

Capitalism if it's the government doing it it's fascism

The difference is that the people will not benefit from this. Only the dictator will

It’s not communism, or anything like it. It’s pure, unadulterated fascism. Literally. Look up Mussolini.

Communists also take stake out of private companies But yes. The US is heading into fascism really quickly.

There is no private property in communism, so no. But to the point, what you're seeing today is indeed fascism.

Kudlow or someone called it "reverse privatization", lol. They just can't bring themselves to call it what it is.

Fascism

I don't think any country has a system of govt with a kleptomaniac rapist exerting fascist control in a communist manner. He's an anomaly and so is his thieving criminal in your face style of corruption. It's not even feaux governance. It's straight up highway robbery. He's just a thief

They think "socialism" means nobody has any private possessions and even your body is owned by the government. They don't understand what it really means and that when you are in the military your body is government property already.

This isn’t socialism, it’s fascism. But Americans aren’t raised to be afraid of that.

Crazy what happens when businesses have the same rights as people.

Or more, in fact. Way more.

State-Owned Enterprise Or, since it was at the point of a metaphorical gun, half the plot of Atlas Shrugged.

AKA Fascism

Exactly.

The US government should be taking deals like this all the time. If the government is going to bail out any private business, they should do so in exchange for partial ownership. Anyway, Trump is a broken clock and all that.

Then they can't complain about being called a communist country.

Only a joke or a politically illiterate person would call the US communist.

Socialist market economy - Wikipedia share.google/FeRyTKE4uH9O...

Fascist. You mean Fascist. Different.

Some of you need to read up on the economic reforms of China over the last 30yrs and how they own a part of so many private Chinese companies as a government strategy. You might then get some insight into why folk are calling it such.

Just because China does something economic doesn't mean it's communism, which you probably know is not the same as socialism, which is a much broader term, covering everything from Marxism to modern Norway. The Chinese govt owning part of a private company is not communism.

It would be more accurate to say that private capital owns part of the governments company, and operates it on their behalf, since the phenomenon is the result of the loosening of restrictions on private property, rather than appropriation of existing wealth by the government.

for everyone who thinks the answer is socialism: socialism is when the WORKERS own the means of production. this is just state capitalism.

The party of small government is now the party of big government

No kidding!

Not there yet, the more specific problem is the mixed messaging - the Fulton County Jail inmate P01135809 claims nothing was paid (and no money has changed hands … yet) but the CEO is set to meet him. Buying access. Grants were used to make the buy, they just haven’t been paid out … yet.

"Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said on Friday that the U.S. government has taken a 10% stake in embattled chipmaker Intel, the Trump administration’s latest effort to exert control over corporate America."

... S O C I A L I S M...... by extortion

Peter Schiff: "Schiff argues that government control of economic activity, a hallmark of socialism, is inherently flawed because government actors are not disciplined by market prices or the drive for profit."

Erick Erickson: “I’m sorry, but no, this is terrible. This is socialism,” Erickson fumed on his podcast on Wednesday about the U.S. government’s proposed taking of a 10% equity stake in the chip company. “This is actual socialism happening by a Republican administration,” Erickson added.

No, there’s nothing socialist about this. It is literally Fascism.