You do realize the whole concept of peer reviewed scientific papers means that the results are easy to reproduce! The paper literally tells other scientists in the field how to reproduce the results that the authors achieved. To dumb it down for you its literally a recipe in a cookbook!
Are you enjoying your ratio, yet?
What led you to this description of peer-reviewed reports? Articles ("papers") condense hypotheses, methods, procedures, conclusions from authors' POV. Published studies may be unreproduced/irreproducible due to resource issues, refuted premises, flawed design, unique cohorts... They're not recipes
Oh no. This is going to be good.
You're completely wrong champ.
this feels like a choice
He chose self-immolation.
did you just confuse "peer review" and "patents"? are you that loaded?
As a patent lawyer, do I have news for you…
yes, the funny part is that the reproducibility crisis and obfuscation of reproducibility (not to mention patent thickets) both exist. that's it, that's the joke.
What does this reply have to do with whether scientific misinformation is harmful?
He even dumbed it down for you, silly person A guy with a real MASTERS DEGREE* prolly has to do that for a lot of people *Not in a science
About as much as it has to do with what peer review actually is.
You're aware that this is NOT AT ALL what peer review does, right? Like, not even close to what reviewers' roles are?
Siri, what's mansplaining, but even stupider?
Oops
so you either don’t know what “peer reviewed scientific papers” are or you don’t know what a cookbook is
Have you ever personally contemplated reproducing the results published in one (1) peer-reviewed paper? Have you ever heard the words "reproducibility crisis" in that order? Peer review does not come with any such guarantees. It often does not catch blatant fraud until long after publication.
Oh, oh, buddy, no, what are you doing
Stupid people give me a headache, I hate having headaches
talk to this guy bsky.app/profile/jpjh...
headaches are the least of your problems since she's going to peel your skin off for sport. good luck!
I have thick skin, you never met my family
"Joke's on you, my family is always telling me how much I suck."
I have only one piece of advice to give you: “I’m sorry; I take it all back; I hope you all have a good evening” is both free and classy. Put the shovel down and take hold of the rope.
Does peer review involve reproducing the results?
Well, you obviously didn't inherit any intellect. Might I suggest deleting your statement or admitting you're wrong now before you're eviscerated publicly?
Holy shit, dude, you are in so fucking far over your head you don't even know which way is up.
PULL UP. TERRAIN. TERRAIN. PULL UP.
You must have one every time you wake up
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? I'm both drunk and high as fuck right now so I can keep going all night!
You can, but it'd be a bad idea.
Wow, you must have headaches like, all the time
If you're going to be a humongous jerk you have to at least make sure you're right first without just resting on pithy dismissals
We're doing pithy dithmithalth thith afternoon?
OK, pro tip: If you absolutely must condescend at someone, it is best to be very certain of your altitude relative to their altitude before you begin. Because if you mess up that calculation even a little...
Yea, but I have the ability to just ignore people I think are too fucking stupid to constantly respond to.
Oh? Show us!
You have yet to demonstrate a capacity for thought
Yeah, we know, people like you have been around for hundreds of years. We’re all just pointing out your obviously lack of ability to understand that you’re the fucking stupid one in this interaction.
And yet here you are. Well done, you.
Nice job today in this thread.
Laughs on you, I don't fucking care!
Yes you do.
Yeah, people who don't care definitely respond to things they don't care about.
So I guess you just never talk to yourself.
Oh you have no clue about the conversations I have with myself! If you knew about what the conversations were about, you would need to go to confession!
So, you DO talk to idiots.
I talk to my dogs, who have no ability to talk back, so yes I do.
I'm also taking to you!
The fact that you managed to make that a reply to yourself is perfect, 11/10, no notes.
Well, see, the fun thing is, I'm not an idiot. You may think so, but, buddy, I guarantee there's only one idiot in this thread, and it's you. Like, your lack of understanding is a vast, vast ocean the likes of which Charles Lindbergh couldn't cross.
All available evidence so far suggests you do not.
I think you mean “who have introduced facts I was previously unaware of, or are asking questions that I am uncomfortable answering.”
What the fuck does that even mean? It's not my fault you were previously unaware of facts! Perhaps you should find a new source for your fucking facts!
It means that by saying you "ignore people you think are stupid," what you are really doing is ignoring people who have introduced facts you were previously unaware of or who are asking questions you are uncomfortable answering.
Here, this might help you: www.skillsworkshop.org/category/lit...
My dude, I've done peer review for both scientific and legal journals. You have very little understanding of peer review.
You were unaware of the reproducibility crisis in science, and you have not answered my question about whether peer review involves reproducing results (to my knowledge).
Oh my god this cannot be real.
...and yet
Some of us were born in these skies (And born a lot because we miscalculated with some frequency so spent a lot of time as an egg)
i fed so many 20c coins into that slot
Damn we had to pay 25 to play
those were australian cents, too! so even cheaper. sorry. it became 40c for some. i think gauntlet was 60c or 80c. such a waste.
I guess it wasn't so bad here then. Ours was .25 for a long time and even when they implemented the 50 cent games there was still always a lot of 25 cent games to play too. Still are.
So. Many. Quarters....
The way I knew exactly what this was going to be in reference to….
I need to find an animated GIF of someone bouncing the head of a sledgehammer in their hand and a smile on their face Or the GIF from Inglorious Bastards with the guy and the baseball bat
Happy Monday!
I havent seen anyone in such a tailspin since Henry Blake's plane went down over the Sea of Japan....
I thought it went down over Abyssinia.
Damn. I got that reference and it still hurts.
I’m sorry.
You have now crystalized my decision to re-start a very specific warhammer diorama project, though.
Yeah Ive restarted a bunch of little projects of late. I realize i'm on here too much.
I'm going to do a medevac diorama - probably 30k rather than 40k. Already figured out how I'm going to mark the landing pad: __ IV ⚕️77
This *will* require pictures, Mike
I would love to see photos when you're done. (I also realized when SNW aired "Under The Cloak Of War" how much I wanted M*A*S*H Star Trek. All we need is a betazed corporal nicknamed "Sensors")
Nicely done. That’s a solid idea
Too soon, man. Too soon. (Says the guy who wears an “I Am A Leaf On The 🩸” t-shirt to SF cons…)
I thought it was a helicopter?
Plane.
The helicopter would have been Uijeongbu to Seoul, then plane to Japan.
o falliable memory Probably because the last we saw of him was flying away from the 4077 in a helicopter. Must have stuck in my brain instead of the actual details when we found out later.
I checked primary sources, because I know memory is faulty: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwie...
Plane; we just watched the episode!
All of my social interactions are calculations, and man, am I bad at math.
Best not to read your own posts then.
You must have chronic headaches. Because you are pretty fucking stupid dude.
Do you get a lot of headaches at home alone
i am sure they must be constant :(
this is what i needed today. the Lord provides
Bro thinks he's a peer.
If he asks nicely, his public school district will give him a refund for leaving him like this.
Sorry but I didn't get a masters degree from a public school district, go fuck yourself for making that accusation!
Yeah, hi, I went to public schools and dropped out of community college. Are you better or smarter than me?
Yeah he's a proud Phoenix!
this is the saddest thing i've seen all day and i suffer from crippling mental illness
DeVry gives Master’s degrees? Learn something new every day.
Nice try but Toilet College doesn’t have post-graduate degree programs
I actually work with someone who has a masters degree. You can't tell it from talking to her either. Once had to explain to her that ellipsis in a quotation are important and not to remove them when editing. Granted, I think she got it from Bethany which may or may not be a handicap by itself.
Unlike you (I suspect), I have a BA degree in Posting Memes from a top-50 liberal arts university, and (I suspect unlike you), I’ve been following global political issues for 200+ years. What are your credentials for understanding meme posting.
I believe he was accusing you of being a moron as a result of your education within the public school system. You seem to be under the impression that having a masters degree changes any of that. Looking up thread, I believe both of these to be true.
You think I give a flying fuck what you or anyone thinks. I don't!
if you have to insist to everyone that you are not mad then you clearly are, in fact, mad
this is what people post when they don't care about what people think
That may be a fine reason to vomit your ignorance to the world, but could you do it somewhere where you aren't bothering anyone?
I wish I had that dress, I would look great in it!
Interesting that you keep replying then. It’s okay. We won’t put it in the paper that you were mad.
*Opening tomorrow's paper* Shit. Someone got mad.
Well I'm awake, I'm online, I'm not mad about anything! Ya'll are just stupid fucks! If I was mad, I would have blocked or muted all of you! That said I can see why people on the right literally hate all of you!
Where'd you learn "How to write like you're not mad"?
I'm a natural asshole, I always sound like I am mad, even when I'm not.
Yup they do and I'm proud of it!
oh this is still going huh
the angries are high
You certainly spend a lot of time trying to make sure people are aware of how not mad you are.
honestly I'm not mad about anything! I will shit post people though all night long! Last I looked someone on this thread blocked me after trying to out shit post me.
something tells me you are actually mad about something, maybe many things
Oh there are many things I am mad about, a wanna be dictator trying to make the US his fascist dream world, Russia waging war on Ukraine, Israel waging war on Palestine, the fact my dishwasher took a shit on Saturday. Yea I am mad about some things. Anything on this thread, not at all!
no, i think you are trying to hide it, you are mad at something in this thread. c'mon, dont be shy, just get it out of your system man
@spacelawshitpost.me dude the last sentence
Last I looked someone on this thread blocked me after trying to out shit post me.
i knew you needed to see that.
i'm sorry nobody sat with you at the lunch table
“honestly I’m not mad about anything”
Maybe you didn’t know that shitposting is meant to be amusing.
Shitposts, not shitty posts. Easy mistake to make I guess
But that’s not surprising. DeVry.
its amusing to me! WTF is DeVry? you sound like an idiot
Son, you have a long, long way to go before you're rankable on the same scale as most of the people in this thread when it comes to shitposting, but bless your li'l heart, you are trying so very hard.
Don't call me son! Unless you are 80 you aren't old enough to be my father! I'm probably your age!
🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽🌽
Funny, usually people's diastolic doesn't hit patent pending until they get to the "bless your heart" but.
People wouldn't assume you're a hopped-up 20-year-old trying to demand respect from greyheads if, you know, you didn't act like one.
Are you AI? You have to tell me. It's the law.
Just how old do you think someone has to be to become a father? 80-45=35.
For someone that's not angry, you sure seem upset, kid.
My mom was a union organizer for 25 years. I walked picket lines of wildcat strikes with her. We used to run bake sales and trivia nights to support striking workers. You wouldn't survive 3 seconds in her vagina. It would shrivel up what's left of your balls. I miss her terribly.
I'm gay, I wouldn't want to live for one second in your mothers vagina!
Recently, I learned that in general male giraffes R predominantly gay. Males mate with females only 2 produce offspring. I have so many questions? Is it strictly anal, top, bottom, kind of thing? If throat pie is involved doesn't that bring a deeper meaning to deep throating? My interest is Piqued?
My grandfather, a WWII war hero, loved vagina. This is incredibly disrespectful.
This is an extremely insensitive thing to post. Some of us are dealing with extremely painful divorces, and the fallout from our long term partners lies, infidelity and betrayal. I truly hope that smug happy couples such as yourself never have to go through this type of shit.
Do you have post graduate degrees or Undergraduate degrees? You don't write or appear to think as though you do. Nothing wrong with not having them, but they are harder to get than it seems you realize. What do you do for the company and what does the company do?
I have both an under graduate degree and a graduate degree!
NOT AGAIN
oh it's that time of the posting again, huh
cracks knuckles
Evergreen.
Awww yeah
Just out of curiosity what year were you born?
2007 is my guess.
if so, the "88" in his name is all the more troubling
Well, his overall point about reproducibility / replicability isn’t unreasonable. And I’ve been thinking about science for…a long time.
The baby fat cheeks say 19 but the eye bags say 45.
Jesus Christ, this guy’s replies are an absolute fucking shitshow.
I imagine if you did, you would be taking notes on how badly this is going.
I give absolutely zero fucks what you think! At the end of the day, I will still sleep soundly knowing I am simply arguing with some nobody over a topic that means nothing!
lol k
Why is it always non-scientists who like to throw the middle school definition of the scientific method in others' faces?
Also paper structure varies drastically not just between fields but between subfields. The papers I've coauthored in galactic structure are structured differently than papers my fellow grad students were writing in condensed matter physics, which are both different than, say, biochemistry papers.
None of these have exact recipes in them.
Add galaxy and stir.
That one answers itself.
Oh honey what’re you doing
Wow. bsky.app/profile/koot...
HERE. EDUCATE YOURSELF. youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc?...
That's a really good & important point you're making! Whenever there's a crisis in society, it's always peer-review that helps us to get out of that crisis, because pf how consistent it is to reproduce the work. For more information, google "reproducibility crisis"
Knowing how to reproduce the results doesn't mean its easy. And peer review doesn't require the reviewers to repeat the experiment.
I'm not saying peer review requires the physical replication, but the underlying premise should be solid. Hell flour, yeast, water, and heat should result in a loaf of bread, how it is assembled can be questioned.
Giving the illusion something works is easier the more you know about the subject. If I give you a recipe for bread that doesn't work it is easier to make it convincing if I'm an expert baker. And if you don't actually have to reproduce the recipe than you are just taking my word for it.
Sorry, my mom who isn't an expert baker taught me to bake bread when I was 6. I know how to bake bread the same way I know vaccines work!
Again if my desire is to trick you. That bread isn't rising and that vaccine is sugar water. You aren't out there checking that shit. And it takes months, years, or even decades to catch fraud.
I have a new method of baking bread that results in a 6% crisper crust than the standard accepted method. It involves introducing steam to the oven at multiple intervals throughout the baking process to achieve progressively higher rates of humidity. Do you believe me?
Hard enough to get reviewers as it is.
Imagine the cost.
I give zero shits about the cost! Reproduce my experiment to prove it right or wrong!
Easy not to care about costs when it’s not your budget
Well if you are a scientific institute, you would have important experiments budgeted in your annual budget! What a novel concept!
Presumably you want to use your budget on your own experiments. Even then budget constraints are a real thing
My guy, peer reviewers are at *OTHER* institutions, not yours. And it's volunteer work, generally done on top of whatever else you do. The reviewer is unlikely to have either the time or the budget available to replicate anything. Replication is not part of peer review.
Does this guy think experiments are something you do in a lab period and submit the paper the next week or something? I’ve been putting together and tweaking my model for A YEAR. It takes 30-45days to even run the damn thing on a HPC.
Also, when it goes to peer review, I *might* have one fluvial geomorphologist as a reviewer, more likely a hill slope or landscape geomorph and then probably two other types of earth scientists so them replicating my experiment would not be useful? In the slightest?
Experiments are just like walking into the HS chem lab and doing that day’s assessment
Every experiment has a right answer! You just have to follow the instructions in the manual. Grad school is just a really big lab manual, that’s why it takes years. I’m so good at following instructions now! I never go “well shit, wtf?”
LMAO, right? I certainly did not hear many times many variations on that phrase when another student in my lab was accidentally discovering widespread same-sex nesting and chick rearing in the Laysan Albatross.
Groans in “studies human behavior.” I’d have more hair left if every experiment had a right answer.
You can't convince me this guy isn't working a humiliation kink right now.
Right? Last time I reviewed something in the sciences was for Coral Reefs. (A long time ago.) IIRC, the paper dealt with observations gathered from reefs in the Indian Ocean; I was a grad student in Hawaii. WTF, I'm supposed to get on a plane and go look?
Reproducing someone else's experiment isn't part of the budget. You act like fraud in scientific research isn't a thing, and that our methods for reducing it aren't flawed.
Peer review is basically advanced proof-reading. Reviewers aren't running their own experiments based on the paper, just checking the paper for errors. It's an essential part of the process, but only in that it is a filter for quackery, not a final ruling on the significance of the results.
And peer-review is far from perfect even as a filter. Watch this to find out more: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O1Q... In fact, that guy has covered multiple instances of when the scientific process breaks down.
Lol
And?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replica...
Like my college professors on both the undergrad and graduate level, I am not going to take wikipedia as a source. Its no more reliable than asking Chat GPT
Hi J H. What source would you recommend to support your view?
That...is not true lol. Wikipedia has been on the level of Encylopedia Britannica for a while now. Plus Wiki has the exact sources for everything quoted at the end. If you dont want to cite wiki itself, just go to those sources. CGPT just pretends to give you sources.
techxplore.com/news/2022-04...
At this point, I have to ask... are you just trolling? Because Wikipedia (where you can look up sources fairly quickly) is much more reliable than ChatGPT which is known to the judicial system to make things up entirely, and provide sources that don't exist in this universe.
Wikipedia article writers cite their sources. You, so far, have not.
Haha, you can just click on the sources dude, it’s not hard.
You can scroll down and read all 262 references if you feel the need to double check the article.
There's also quite a few peer reviewed journal articles on the replication crisis, you can find some of them in the references section of the wikipedia article.
You were dumb enough to cite Wikipedia in your grad classes huh?
Even in _math_, where one could hope in principle that a paper was literally a recipe for getting the result, this is ostentatiously and stupidly wrong. Is Mochizuki's purported proof of the abc conjecture a proof? It's been in the peer-reviewed literature (in a journal he edits) for 14 years.
Kempe's purported proof of the four colour theorem was widely believed to be true from 1879 to 1890. It wasn't proved till 1976 by computer search. There were *errors* in that proof that weren't corrected until it was published in manuscript in 1989. The proof was formalized in Coq in 2005.
This is the one field where you could hope that a paper published is necessarily correct, and if you believe that then go talk to a working mathematician we'll disabuse of that notion right quick. The *rest* of STEM? Get out of here.
arxiv.org/abs/math/940... Thurston claimed that the standard of accuracy reached by most computer programs (usually buggy) was *higher* than that of most mathematical proofs
You ever have published instructions for maintenance that just *didn't fucking work* if followed exactly?
Lolololololololol
I suggest rethinking todays choices in your life.
"The paper literally tells other scientists in the field how to reproduce the res..." I'm gonna stop you right there. Research papers provide other scientists a plan on how to reproduce the EXPERIMENT, not the results. That's the difference between science and fraud.
Ok I will agree with you on this one, so the confirmation bias is not there. The concept of the paper is so the experiment can be reproduced! To dumb it down again, I can follow a recipe to bake a loaf of bread, and it can be a complete failure because the yeast died and the loaf never rose
Do you think peer reviewers replicate the experiment?
I'm not saying that they do, I am saying that based on the paper they should be able to replicate the experiment.
I'm also not saying that they achieve the same result, because proprietary interests and patents do play into scientific drug papers. Yet once the patent expires, nobody has any issue creating the generic version.
Patents don't "prevent" the making of generics. Pharmacokinetics, efficacy, and chirality play a larger role in preventing the manufacturing of generics than patents do. In the US, a generic drug only has to be "biosimilar" to its counterpart. And biosimilarity is the fair use of drug law.
Actually patents do prevent the making of most genetic drugs. If a genetic manufacturer uses the patented ingredients, they will be sued for a patent violation!
...that's not how it works.
Only if the process is identical. So what typically happens is pharmaceutical chemists look at the mechanism the drug uses, and find another process that recreates that but utilizes different inactive ingredients. The key word is "bioequivalent". You can draw a mouse. Just don't call it Mickey.
Yea but most generic drugs are 100% the same active ingredients as the Patented drug!
That doesn't mean they're violating the patent. If you've got Mickey Mouse and another mouse, 100% of your sample is a mouse.
Please answer the question I asked.
Cool, but if they don't actually do that, then they don't know the paper is telling the truth. And that's even assuming the peer reviewers are experts in the field of the paper they are reviewing and always understand the basics of it (which is not always the case.)
Like. I have actually *gotten* a paper published that was literally a "actually, no" response, where we demonstrated that the method outlined in a *published, peer reviewed* did not, in fact, actually fucking work! (And those are *much harder* to get published!)
My brother you do not need to dumb it down she is so very clearly orders of magnitude smarter than you. Unless you’re dumbing it down for yourself. In which case carry on
Well said.
Oooooh I like how you put that I'm remembering it.
It's the fundamental principle of the scientific method: providing a repeatable methodology that anyone can use that allows independent confirmation of your hypothesis. Read them long enough, you start to see patterns. Not only in the likelihood of success, but also in the scientists pedigree.
Right so other scientists should be able to repeat my experiment, hopefully they get the same result, but I'm not guaranteeing they get the same results.
Oh yeah I totally get the overall point you just packaged it so nicely.
Because of a block it took me way too much time to find out you're basically fighting on the side of eradicable diseases? Get fucked, you pinhead fucking antivax piece of shit. No patience left with your sort, especially after years of direct evidence you are the dumbest possible kind of wrong.
Recipe 1: assemble a cohort of 10,000 people, build a vaccine from scratch, follow for 2 months. Recipe 2: build a new Large Hadron Collider, collide 2 protons of 6.8 TeV each together. No, peer reviewers don’t replicate results themselves.
Nothing prevents them from doing so. But the peer reviewers are reviewing the science the author is presenting and determining if they agree with it or not. In reality they are being asked if they could replicate it. Yes since government studies require patient trials that can be cost prohibitive.
Agreeing with the premise is absolutely not even a LITTLE bit like asking if they could replicate it.
Cost isn’t the only issue, frequently time is as well. And replications often don’t follow the same methodology, instead using a different method in case there are unknown issues with the original. My 2nd example of the Higgs Boson was replicated using a different detector (still at LHC)
So you had a LHC to attempt to replicate the experiment!
Same LHC so not a true replication, confirmation of results via a different methodology, not following a “recipe”. There is a reason people attempting to replicate the original cold fusion experiment didn’t use the same equipment.
Good job, you managed to be both off topic and wrong.
Oh, hon, no. I worked for a peer-reviewed journal for several years and was directly involved in selecting reviewers and handling their feedback. What you've described is...not how it work.
Lmao you absolute dipshit
