I'm with you there.
If you're still rationalizing your patronizing the establishment of MechaHitler for whatever reason then get bent.
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I'm with you there.
table. I think this is Peter's point too. Could Democrat pols do a better job castigating the immorality and awfulness of the right? Sure. But I don't need my congressman to call out my racist MAGA uncle I'm capable of doing that myself.
So... You're saying that the right spews demonizing absurdist hyperbole about the left, and I'm saying that because there's a constituency for this, that because Republican voters see and hear this (and worse: hateful lies; name any bigotry) and support it, that they are unfit for my dinner
Right wingers ARE demon possessed predators who hate our country and want to destroy it. They all heard Trump boast of his pussy grabbing and thought "This man will make a good president". They all heard him muse about injecting bleach and thought "This man will make a good president". They all
Of COURSE conservatives are intolerable. No "good" person supports a man like Trump, nevermind his messaging of bigotry.
It's not just that the president of United States ordered the murder of 11 people in international waters so he could post the video, it's that the American people will do nothing about it. NOTHING.
Sorry but one thing I don't do is take for granted anything I see on social media.
Yeah, I know what you meant, I'm just saying that letting murderers dictate the terminology of the discussion is dumb.
No serious person contends that the Iraq invasion was not a war crime. Hundreds of thousands dead, nobody charged. Just an extension of US's mideast policy of terror and destabilization, kick their ass and take their gas, that had been going on since the 1950's.
summarily killing civilians no matter what country they're from. We KNOW the difference between right and wrong. We KNOW that nobody is going to stop these ppl no matter how murderous they get or what atrocities they commit. We KNOW we're not the Nazi-punchers we flattered ourselves thinking we are.
We KNOW that if a cop shot up a car full of people because he figured there were drugs in it that it would be murder. We KNOW excessive use of force when we see it. We KNOW that more than one person can be complicit and charged for the act of a murder. We KNOW that our government shouldn't be
been countless, attributed to victors of conflicts. And not a single Israeli. The perpetrators, the powerful ones, get to decide not only the terminology, but who is allowed to be charged and held to account.
Are you seriously suggesting that Rubio is ever going to be charged with this war crime? Most of this list is WWII show trial stuff. The few Americans in the modern era are token individual actors, there are no state directed crimes, of which there have
Ok, well, if it's not murder have at it then. Because if there's one thing we know about war crimes, it's that they're committed with impunity. Fire when ready, Gridley.
"dangerous, exhausting, degrading, isolating, and impoverishing" would be reasons for any woman not to have babies, educated or not, pro-natalism or not.
Man you are way out there.
I guess the people that were passing this around were just smelling their own farts.
Starving a population is a war crime even if they don't die.
I think you mean homicide
Why are you such a stickler for using the terminology that the perpetrators insist that you to use to describe their crimes? & most of the world has understood that U.S. is dangerous, lethal, & can't be trusted for some time now, many of them learned it 1st hand. It's Americans who don't see this.
Not to my ear. Murder unambiguously makes it clear that somebody is wrongfully killed, and now dead, and is the worst possible crime that people are familiar with. Americans are largely unfamiliar with "war crimes" despite their nation continuously committing them on their behalf.
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Alberta Premier yesterday: "They merely got a little carried away while book banning." Alberta Premier today: "Here's some more books you forgot to ban."
Alberta Premier yesterday: "They merely got a little carried away while book banning." Alberta Premier today: "Here's some more books you forgot to ban."
I don't think people should characterize this as anything but cold blooded murder, because that's what it is. "War crime", "humanitarian crime", even "summary extrajurisdictional execution" just lets the murderers off the hook.
(looks around) Still not seeing anybody punching Nazis.
How is that hypothetical? They just did it. Each new outrage, barbarity, and atrocity gets absorbed into the culture. Eventually they could be gassing people in concentration camps and the public,at least those opposed to it, will be like "they can't do that, that's wrong."
It's not a war crime when you're not at war. It's just mass murder.
It's not a war crime when you're not at war. It's just mass murder.
How is that hypothetical? They just did it. Each new outrage, barbarity, and atrocity gets absorbed into the culture. Eventually they could be gassing people in concentration camps and the public,at least those opposed to it, will be like "they can't do that, that's wrong."
(looks around) Still not seeing anybody punching Nazis.
Are you saying that if it was something that wasn't difficult, like wearing poodle skirts and Bobby socks, it would be ok for these fascist misogynists to make you to do it?
something that they might not want to do, an obligation that is secondary to their own interests in favor of retrograde social hierarchies. It's not because, like, having kids "totally sucks", It's because MAGA and JD Vance telling you what you need to is what totally sucks.
Because lots of things are hard. And women have babies anyway, often several. Going to university is hard too and guess what some women go to university AND have babies. Pro-natalism isn't about imposing upon women to do something hard but imposing upon them to do
Neither does Moira, but that's not what this is about.
tone I innocuously commented on. And even if having kids IS hard so what? Basically anything that is rewarding requires effort. What do you think is going on here?
The reason to be anti-pro-natalist is because it suggests obligation or anti-choice and because of who's promoting it in the current cultural landscape, not because having kids sucks, which was the
Yeah I appreciate his opinions and willingness to engage and I find all of the bullying unseemly. I read my comment more as an ironic barb than an insult, maybe should have added a winky face
That just sounds like an extreme description for a site you're on, presumably by choice
1,000 or 10,000, both are looking like they'll far exceed humanity, at least in the sense that money will mean anything.
Pretty well any social issue could be addressed purely through tax law and tax policy. In this case it should be possible to get rich, but much harder to stay rich. Instead we're stuck in a global race to the taxation bottom, for many nations there's no foreseeable way out, just ask Great Britain.
woman is too dumb to get an education she's too dumb not to have kids? Plenty of educated women have kids. And don't need to have kids to be poor. And as for the rewards, take a poll of everyone you know, educated or not, if they're grateful they had kids.
Your new insult aside, I can't be any clearer: If fewer educated women have babies it's because they seek/have other opportunities/choices that they choose, not because it's "dangerous, exhausting, degrading, isolating, and impoverishing". So if a
yeah that's what I said
And my point was that the child-rearing situation is a cultural/social/political one, and today the mortality rate is based on economic policy and health care availability, not the state of the art in medicine. The solution to women dying in childbirth isn't ONLY to not have babies.
Yes I was short, it's true, but wtf while I never gave birth I was part of the equation, and hands-on raising the kids, and neither of us regret a minute, so while "the women are talking", in this case one woman, my point was not an unreasonable one.
I should have said you sound more anti-baby than anti-pro-natalist, which isn't REALLY about babies, that's all. One can criticize a retrograde paternalistic movement for what it is without dumping on having kids or degrading others' experiences.
guess what, she's never had a baby either.
duh. better keep my dumb man-mouth shut. duh.
Anti-pro-natalism is reasonable, anti-baby is "huh?"
You're a bit bleak here wrt the negative aspects of having kids vs the benefits. And that the negatives have been, and/or can be, and/or could be, ameliorated by medical, social, scientific, and political advancements. You sound more anti-baby than pro-choice.
Half the country voted for trump in 2016 (even after hearing his pussy-grabbing boasts), and again in 2020, and again in 2024 so sorry but I must insist on a more satisfactory narrative and analysis.
JFK: "Some men see things as they never were and say 'Why not,', others see things as they are and say 'You know sometimes the bigots have a point, nobody likes being scolded'"
No it's because the right devotes all their attention and criticism at the fringe left, and the non-right falls for it. Meanwhile the right is the party of school shooters, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, bigots, misogynists, and fascists, and that's not even the fringe right, that's just the right.
I'm in.
It doesn't taste as good as it used to, but it's better for you.
"I was not a fan of Mamdani at first because all of my information sources, in concert, made great effort to promulgate narratives that he was dishonest and even somehow dangerous"
Also, caging aliens is all the rage
I don't know if it's a good idea to antagonize a simian, grandiose narcissist who has at his disposal a myriad of powers to do great harm, and is supported by a lazy, entitled, ignorant, decadent, resentful, and vindictive population and culture, but I'm here for it.
Technically, what they have is preemptive ownership of future productivity
Technically, what they have is preemptive ownership of future productivity
To what end? I mean it turns out that all them amendments and most everything else ain't worth shit when you ain't even got one Nazi puncher around
And both are way better than the we-get-Trump-because-you-wokesters-are-mean-to-bigots take
remind me who the terrorists are?
A pair of leopard skin briefs and you'll be all set
First off, a functioning democracy requires a population that could NEVER elect a man like Trump.
Plus you can't always assume that's a Halloween costume, or if that's just their thing.
Bet they never imagined themselves as "upper-class twits of the year"
Well, half of them anyway. (Half of Americans voted for Trump the last 3 elections and would do so again tomorrow.)
"Find the cause of autism?" Haven't these ignorant grandiose narcissists been telling us for years it's vaccines?
Oz-Salzberger's unapologetic bland rationalizations (holding fast to her conception of Zionism and not the reality) and studious avoidance of truth and reconciliation ("now is not the time to talk about history") is how Israel's original sin and ongoing crimes are tolerated and perpetuated.
But you have to admit that letting nature take its course to weed out the weak resulted in the strain of veritable supermen that is Americans.
It may be that expressing astonishment about how Trump "genuinely believes" something absurd or factually wrong places one in the category of his dupes.
If you can watch and listen to this guy for 30 seconds without seeing what he is then you have a kind of character blindness, like people who can't recognize faces, except for souls.
The the unrestrained, bad faith weaponized charge of antisemitism has been Israel's evil superpower.
One might conclude that on the right the anti-Muslim bigotry must therefore exceed the antisemitism, except it's hard to tell when bad faith charges of the latter so effectively allow for such public expressions of the former.
Oz-Salzberger's unapologetic bland rationalizations (holding fast to her conception of Zionism and not the reality) and studious avoidance of truth and reconciliation ("now is not the time to talk about history") is how Israel's original sin and ongoing crimes are tolerated and perpetuated.
"Stand your ground" is just the latest divisive American culture war b.s. they're hot to import. I detest these people and their supporters.
I do take exception to your suggestion that the U.S. has not been embarrassed on the world stage, but it's hardly alone in that regard.
But don't worry says Krusty it can't and it's not happening here.
political force. The world would never again stand by while a sovereign European nation is invaded. The genocidal massacre and brutal starvation of a population would never be tolerated, not in this day and age.
Sure. And America could never descend into white supremacist fascist dictatorship. Nazis could never rise again in Germany. And Scandinavian countries, "the happiest in the world", could never see burgeoning xenophobic reaction becoming a significant
What Andrew's column was doing was pushing back on this public reaction, and good for him.
Dismissing this political movement as fringe is pure denial. So many countries are taking authoritarian turns and this cancer is growing in Canada too, on the cusp of being in power. Maybe you don't notice because you're caught up in its tactics of persuasion i.e. your first post in this thread.
Still think what's going on here is good-faith debate and not just ginned-up RW reaction of creeping American vigilantism preying on an authoritarian-minded political base that's been cultivated to be terrified of everything? I rest my case. Stand your ground, my friend. Oops I mean Stand on Guard.
Still think what's going on here is good-faith debate and not just ginned-up RW reaction of creeping American vigilantism preying on an authoritarian-minded political base that's been cultivated to be terrified of everything? I rest my case. Stand your ground, my friend. Oops I mean Stand on Guard.
The cultivation of people's tribal impulses, resulting in demonization and dehumanization of other group(s), is probably the actual common thread.
Populations have "gone bad", conditioned to perform or tolerate evil, over and over again in history. Attributing something like the Rwandan genocide, or this embrace of authoritarianism and fascism in the U.S., to material conditions is nuts.
I'm gonna use this to charm the vendors at the farmers market this weekend.
Yeah sorry but pretty judgy when it comes to all of the dark and immoral impulses dominating American culture and politics. Severely. Talking to you, Republican voter.
The practitioners of the reactionary politics of division plying their trade in the first three quotes quickly pounced on the issue a week ago. There is also an impulse by everyone else it seems to have an opinion without having knowledge of the law, nevermind access to facts of the case.
