lol I’m still laughing about this. Trying to imagine Che railing about the kids and their pronouns. My sibling in Christ, you are either an idiot or a bigot (or both).
lol I’m still laughing about this. Trying to imagine Che railing about the kids and their pronouns. My sibling in Christ, you are either an idiot or a bigot (or both).
Anticolonialists? Name three people with anticolonial credentials who are opposed to Latinx/e or gtfo
I just don’t understand why we assume that fights b/w queer people and homophobes only happens in English. This Shor/Yglesias style shitting on Latinx/e is simply siding with the homophobes, both the Latine ones and the non-Latine ones
Those orgs’ continued existence depends on some amount of buy-in from LGBTQ people in this country, and many such people find it important to use language that doesn’t erase them.
Yes, but those organizations have some relationship to the larger communities they ostensibly represent, for fundraising and GOTV if nothing else. If Lambda Legal or HRC started using ‘Latino/a’ exclusively people would be pissed, and rightly so. That’s language that erases them.
My trans Mexican-American friends and my queer friends in Mexico all use and appreciate the use of Latinx/e. Should I shit on them bc the word polls badly in Ohio?
Latinx/e get used all the time in Latin America by queer and feminist groups: these represent real divisions within LA communities both here and abroad, and to ignore that in this case is to side with the homophobes and patriarchs
Yeah, but these caucuses don’t exist and there is no unified representative body of all people of Lat Am origin.
I agree with the point, but I think you mean South Asian American, not Southeast Asian Am.
Is the question whether they failed to come up with a gender-inclusive term for people of Latin American origin? They succeeded at that and that’s all they were trying to do, not win swing voters in the Midwest for Kamala Harris.
What would it mean for them to have fucked up? I don’t understand this question at all.
Right, and the connections between their fantasies of an ancient, inviolable cuisine tied to their soil and the far right’s ideas about an ancient, inviolable Italian nation aren’t hard to figure out.
And they didn’t even really start cooking with it until the 18th and 19th centuries!
You’re doing an event at 92Y. That makes you complicit in fascism.
Why are you doing an event at 92Y after everything they have done the last two years?
And I don’t know if they’re thinking this far ahead (but they should be): when/if Trump sends troops to NYC, they’ll need to be able to mobilize people like this, quickly
Getting a larger group of people excited to run around the city for Zohran seems like it will come in handy over the next few months.
Racist? Go fuck yourself. I’m not really interested in correcting bad faith misreadings over and over again. Goodbye.
No, they were standardized by Italian Americans. It’s classic diasporic nationalism/invention of tradition
No, it punctures the dangerous and racist myths of Italian blood and soil nationalism by pointing out that they don’t have the pure blooded cuisine Meloni is so proud of. It’s a mutt, like basically all food, and it’s a very new mutt.
Most people still aren’t eating gumbo. I can’t think of the last time I’ve had or been around someone eating gumbo. This doesn’t work as a gotcha.
Right. And all of this was first done in the Bronx, essentially.
Great. Go start with Gramsci on the Southern Question and then we can have a conversation
This is precisely my point. Most people weren’t eating pasta and nobody had any conception of Italian food until Italian mass emigration.
Bro. If people aren’t growing much durum wheat then people aren’t eating very much pasta. Go find a library and come back when you’ve read a little.
Exactly. And most of the rural southerners who came to the US had only the vaguest idea of “italianness”: they didn’t speak Italian and they didn’t give af about “Italian food”. There are volumes of literature about the problems faced Italian nationalism. Do you read at all?
Seems like you’ve gotten caught up in some ideas of Italian nationalism yourself
Not this book! Maybe you should read it, boo. Menus and written recipes aren’t very useful for a largely non-literate society. She relies on oral records and Italian government surveys and agricultural records.
If you want to find a cuisine to be a traditionalist about, go with Mexican: tamales are at least 7000 years old. Not Italian. Italians weren’t even eating tomatoes until the 19th century lol
This idea of Italian food with standardized elements was exported back to Italy (remember that Italy didn’t exist until the 1860s or so) and as we can all see came to play a strong role in Italian nationalism, including far right nationalism
Maybe read her work before you comment on it. The claim isn’t that pasta was unknown: it’s that it was an elite, expensive dish and most people couldn’t afford it. When they got to the US they could afford it, and made factories to mass produce what came to be known as “Italian food”.
Of course. But scholarship (see the above or Hasia Diner’s work) finds that even pasta was rarely eaten in Italy (it was an elite regional dish, polenta and black rice were more common) until migration to the US. Italian food as we know it comes from the reexporting of Italian American food to Italy
on.ft.com/3ngQZa0 Everything I, an Italian, thought I knew about Italian food is wrong
Yeah, Italian food as we know it is barely a century old lol
So so glad someone with your platform is calling them out on this.
Keep at it. Alon needs to be shamed for their genocide denial, and people should be shamed for engaging with a denier casually around urbanism or whatever.
Yikes.
Cities were still reeling from white flight and gentrification hadn’t begun in earnest, basically
Je veux, tu veux, il/elle/on veut, nous voulons, vous voulez, ils/elles veulent
*Ouais, si tu *veux
It’s time to put some pressure on Jeffries
There will always be more political work for him to do if the work he is and has been doing continues to face such bad faith misinterpretation and criticism
Zionist.
Which is why he has repeatedly said he is opposed to violence and supports human rights for all
If you think Gillibrand should apologize for and/or resign for her racist meltdown attacking Zohran Mamdani, tell her. Racism has no place in New York, even from sitting US Senators, and especially not from the sitting DSCC chair. ☎️: (202) 224-4451
Everyone in South Asia does it and it’s common in Southeast Asia too. That’s nearly half the world’s population.
Expect a primary.
Get ready to be primaried.
NY Mag has oddly seemed to be trying to appeal to a Millennial Left audience for the last few years. They’ve been better on the Gaza genocide and protests for example than the Times or the NYer, and they pushed Sullivan and Chait out.
Bigots like you have no place representing the people of New York. Resign.
Good for you!
(States don’t have rights, people do. Only George Wallace and his ilk think otherwise)
That seems like a different question, but sure. Do you recognize Yugoslavia’s right to exist? How about the British Empire’s?
Sure, but there’s nothing racist or violent about not recognizing a country’s borders (or a country’s “right to exist” whatever that is)
I agree completely. I’m just saying that to demand that someone condemn outright the phrase “long live the revolution” sounds ridiculous while these demands sound apparently reasonable. And that’s the result of Islamophobia
And the easy equation of the word intifada with such attacks on civilians in this case follows not just from the recency of the second intifada but from a larger Islamophobic equation of Arabic words with terrorism.
I think the better comparison is to the English word 'revolution'. We can condemn the attacks on civilians during the Haitian or Algerian or other revolutions while still recognizing that the term itself doesn't necessarily imply such attacks.