Ex-Labour voter. đĽ Green Party Member. đż Manchester, UK. đ #AuDHD
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It depends on what you mean by work. It has already increased visibility, Zack has been everywhere media-wise since becoming leader. I doubt Ellie/Adrian would have been as busy. As Cantona saidâŚthe seagulls follow the trawler.. Whether that converts into votes/seats, we don't yet know đ¤ˇââď¸
What has he said that's outrageous? âNormalâ people might agree with the party but we will never know if they have no idea what the party are saying. We can argue about the morality of clickbait politics but unfortunately we live in a clickbait society, we adapt or get ignored.
Why would more airtime be bad for the Greens?
I think the traditional banks have basically given up, they know they are doomed. DVDs in a world of streaming.
What kind of energy? Small dick?
At this point I can only surmise that the addition of wheat to pretty much every processed food item on earth is a deliberate and targeted attack on those of us who are intolerant/celiac. đ
By the time Johnson had finished there wasnât really any âtalentâ to attract.
Burlesque trapeze? Fired from a cannon?
How is Dorries going to top that? Not long to find out I fear.
She couldnât.
So incompetent and naive rather than dishonest? Still not a great look for the deputy PM. If she canât run her own affairs what chance someday running the country? I personally hope she can cling on and recover but Iâm not sure she can.
Are you sure youâre sure? What exactly are they waiting for? An extra 100,000 children have fallen into poverty so far under their watch. Have they got a particular level of suffering in mind before they pull the trigger do you think? đ¤
She didnât give a fuck about the people she grew up with when she was championing slashing their benefits. For what itâs worth I think she is getting a rough ride from the press (as always) and I actually hope she can cling onâŚhowever she has long since turned her back on her WC/TU roots.
Erm..are there no SNP members involved in this? I think ALL of our political parties can do betterâŚeven the Greens (of which Iâm a member). www.parliament.scot/get-involved...
To be fair the LDs are at least moving in the right direction. www.libdems.org.uk/press/releas...
Exactly, once society puts a scale of acceptability on bigotry and racism the battle is lost.
To avoid losing votes, has anyone ever suggested that Labour could just try being better?
The question was who is better on the environment. I think Zack did right to answer honestly, the look on Balls face when faced with a politician not playing by the ârulesâ said it all.
ââŚmaybe somebody else didâ đ We all know he runs the show. Liar.
Crace sneering at the suggestion that 30 or 40 seats might be achievable from a starting position of 4. Whilst simultaneously having decided some time back that Reform will win a landslide from the same position. www.theguardian.com/politics/202...
I voted for Zack but letâs see how he performs under pressure. They will come for him as they did Corbyn.
I think you need all these and Labour have none.
The âchangesâ are more akin to doubling down than an actual change in direction. It appears that internally they are united in their panic.
AI wouldnât have been as cringe as the reality.
To whom though? The majority of scoucers wonât entertain racists but are they going to move en mass to the Greens? Or could Liverpool be ripe for âYour Partyâ or multiple independents? If Labour really have lost Liverpool itâs going to be fascinating to see how that pans out in practice.
Itâs actually worse than thatâŚtheir policies are unpopular with everyone.
He fucking loves it. All going to plan.
Are you expecting a nuclear war with the United States?
1 year of continuing to protect the most wealthy whilst persecuting the most vulnerable. Cute that you believe the âchallenging global economy climateâ excuse given by neoliberal govts the world over though. If everyone is poor, whatâs happened to the wealthâŚhas it evaporated? Jesus wept. đ
We have an extremely challenging economic and environmental outlook so the only sensible option is **checks notes**âŚthe party who are in charge of economic and environmental policy. Sounds legit.
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Have these people never been to hospital or does every village have their own staffed entirely by locals? Even the most remote villages get Amazon deliveries nowadays etc. Almost impossible to never come into contact with someone who has migrated here.
I donât think thatâs true, I would imagine that most people do encounter immigrants but itâs almost entirely of a positive nature. In a health care setting for example. But I do agree (and this survey shows) that the immigration âcrisisâ is a perceived threat rather than a lived one.
And yet you appear to support a regime that donât want peace. And we know they donât because they keep telling us they donât.
Some of that may be true but it doesnât alter the reality of what we are all seeing today. The main problem that apologists for genocide are going to keep bumping up against is the modern age. Denying what everyone can see just makes you look ridiculous.
I was being sarcastic Shelia. I know why people canât stop saying Israel is committing a genocide, itâs because Israel is committing a genocide. In full view I may add.
People keep saying this thing over and overâŚwhy canât they just stop saying it? đ
I wouldnât.
Or they could just be against genocide and their every action isn't defined by their disability. đ¤ˇââď¸
âPolanski, who announced his surprise leadership bid shortly after the local elections in Mayâ The article then goes on within a few paragraphs to explain the Green Party structure with itâs regular compulsory leadership elections. But yeah, somehow something that happens annually is a surprise.
Just for perspective, a few weeks ago roughly 100,000 turned up for the London Trans+ Pride march. By contrast fewer than 3,000 ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY, have turned up to anti-asylum "protests". Yet we are meant to take the latter as "the voice of the people" and the former as "the minority".
Not sure they would want to call it after the German far-right party.
At least with a dog it's nature not nurture.
Cute that they believe it's their territory to gatekeep. 1% of the population owns 70% of the land.
This article is from 2007 when social media was barely a thing. Its even more pertinent nearly two decades later. www.theguardian.com/media/greens...
The fact that it's been subbed under âConservativesâ is a most amusing faux pas.
Well exactly. Just imagine the level of centrist bedwetting if the âpartyâ had an actual name.
I suppose it's due to having confidence in the Greens' policy/direction of travel. Something that seems to be sorely lacking in Labour hence the predictable unease of the usual suspects.
Likewise.
Oh I don't know, they must be doing something well as all the same people are shitting their pants about Corbyn as last time.
I like Zack and have voted for him, but we don't really know that yet. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. đ
They certainly have much work to do. But that wasn't my point, I was just highlighting that dismissing any policy passed at any point after a parties conception is a very odd flex.
Default policy? The Greenâs were founded 35 years ago. For what it's worth I too believe that âYour Partyâ should have a trans rights policy without it going to conference, but I can also recognise that 2025 isn't 1990.
A tactical silence? Sounds all too familiar.
Improper fish if ever I've heard of one.
It's a blight, whatever it is.
That would be incorrect vinegar. I'm on about improper vinegar.
What is improper vinegar?
And there we have it, Trev the anti-fascist wants to lock up everyone he disagrees with inc (if the polls are to be believed) the majority of the electorate. I knew you would eventually expose the ridiculousness of your argument. It's the same predicament the government presently finds itself in.
You either want the government to be hardline authoritarian or you don't. You can't pick and choose.
As are asylum seekers. So are the groups stood outside the hotels terrorists? You can rightly argue they are causing some members the public terror. Should they be proscribed and anyone showing support arrested? If not, why not?
The civilian staff will just be made redundant, and the handful of actual officers are most likely desk-bound or nearing retirement anyway, so they will just be shuffled along a bit quicker. The defo won't be out chasing down phone snatchers on foot!
When the âanti-fascistâ thinks the terrorism laws are too soft and starts screaming âoff with their headsâ.
Mass arrests for peacefully demonstrating no less. Mass arrests that included nurses, doctors, disabled octogenarians and a member of the House of Lords. Wild that we are in a time when anyone could believe that those two opposing opinions can cohabit in the same brain. But here we are.
You really believe that the personnel will be redeployed elsewhere rather than permanently lost through shrinkage/retirement etc? Oh my sweet summer child.
Or you could just fully read the article down to where it says that 50,000 crimes a year are reported to these front desks.
I predict it will become a little more complex for you when the government inevitably reverse ferrets. Or maybe it won't, maybe you will still somehow be able to square your support for the mass arrest of peaceful protestors with your self-proclaimed anti-fascist status. đ¤ˇââď¸
Are you only anti-fascist in a limited and specific way?
It's still better than your grasp of history.
Some of the most brutal and inhumane conflicts have been civil wars. Literally neighbour against neighbour in some cases.
Have you heard of Gaelic?
If you think the hatred was somehow diminished because Protestants and Catholics were both white then you obviously never visited Ireland during the troubles, or even more recently. I'm saying that as someone that spent some time in the Middle East many years ago too.
We already have very robust laws in place to deal with affray and criminal damage.
Itâs irrelevant if I like it. I was genuinely intrigued as to what you thought warranted proscription. There are football hooligan groups that fire flares at stewardsâŚare they terrorists or just anti-social criminals? What about Just Stop Oil or XR? It's a bizarre decision imo. For
Iâll just add that many of these things have already been tried, and then swiftly unravelled, in the region over the decades. Same as in Ireland really, something just finally clicked there though. Political will on both sides maybe, war fatigue? Not sure.
Thanks, a very interesting read.
I'm intrigued as to what you took away from that disingenuous word salad that caused you to change your opinion.
Thanks, I had already read that. I meant a plausible reason.
What have they been proscribed for? Nobody seems to know (or be prepared to say), including the Home Secretary.
We no longer live in a world where we can't see, just one we choose not to.
As I say, I don't have an answer. A genocide can't be allowed to continue but I'm struggling to imagine a workable solution for any peace, let alone a lasting one. I thought the same about the troubles in Ireland for many years though.
The problem usually is that our intentions are not entirely selflessâŚto say the least.
Agreed, but wherever we (as in the West) have âstepped inâ with our big clumsy boots to try to force peaceful solutions we have pretty much universally made it much worse. I don't have an answer, unfortunately.
I'm not sure I entirely agree, I think the solution eventually tends to come from within. Meddling by outside influences often just aggravates many of these conflicts and in some cases is even what started them. Having said that condemnation, meaningful sanctions etc are important.
But also political and social compromise can be found as has been shown in other bitter conflicts. The will has to be there, unfortunately, that poll (amongst many other indicators) would suggest it isn't.
Of course, there would likely be similar sentiment if that question were posed to Palestinians. The consequence of many decades of war and its related atrocities.
www.middleeasteye.net/news/majorit...
Israel is a democracy. In a democracy, the electorate can never be fully excused from the actions of its government. In the same way that I must bear some responsibility for the actions of my government despite not having voted for them.
Nope. Struggling to get a Rizla paper between them.
Good job Yvette.
Thoughts and prayers for your mental health since your nemesis reemerged from his allotment.
I'm grateful that the Met runs for at least an extra couple of hours than I'm ever likely to still be hanging around town for nowadays! Although that also has its fair share of oddballs!
I miss the 192. âŚSaid nobody ever.
Sister, my wife.
It's only 192 style if they opened the door with his head.
Big âI never wanted to be your mate anywayâ vibes. The world is being run by a bunch of pre-pubescent old men.
That's what Iâve chosen to disengage from because you actually make me nauseous.
Cute how you think the homelessness minister doing any of that is just fineâŚif indeed true. You go out to bat for the people bending you over then have the fucking neck to scream âenabling Reformâ at anyone with the slightest bit of self-respect.
