JD Vance is suggesting that neo-Nazis and the descendents of confederate soldiers have more claim to being part of this nation because they're white than immigrants who believe in the Declaration of Independence. This kind of blood and soil nationalism is indistinguishable from classic fascism.
Has he met his own wife? Lol
What the fucking shit is this
My earliest ancestor in the Americas showed up in 1610. Other ancestors owned slaves and fought for the losers in the Civil War. Let me say, this blood & soil nationalism is just a disgusting idea all around. The US *is* a nation predicated on an idea, not on who your ancestors were.
It’s just stupidity. If they are that concerned about being “pure” they need to go back hundreds of millions years before the humanoid branches separated evolved and reunited to create hybrid progeny. We are mixed species. Race is subjective.
And one thing you can be sure of, is that you are not 100% anything. Nor is anyone else. And we are all cousins multiple times over.
THIS is what the right-wing conspiracy was all about. It's here folks. It's showing you its underwear. No secret, no plan...full on action now. Descendants of the Confederate who have long passed would be so proud.
Trump needs red state civilian militias as support when he sends the US military into the blue states to take them over. There are too few US military and too many civilian weapons to hold blue states for long. @chrislhayes.bsky.social @governor.ca.gov @aoc.bsky.social
Hey Max where is this from?
I Googled it. First cite points to a 7/8/25 Talking Points Memo story about speech the couch fucker made on Sat. in San Diego to the Claremont Institute
Thank you ☺️ Paul. Cheers.
His keepers aren't birthright citizens.
Soldiers who hated America and wanted to secede from it have more of a claim because they're white. Thats all he means because hes a white supremacist. Gutter racist missing a white hood.
This is absolute drivel. What in the fuck is is talking about ?
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because it is classic fascism
Can someone ask JD if he thinks his wife, born to immigrants, deserves US citizenship? Or if his in-laws should be allowed to stay in the US?
Trump had no problem bringing Melania’s parents in via [the dreaded] chain migration. Vance will agree that Usha’s parents deserve special treatment as well.
"They're on the guest list."
She's a woman. Doesn't matter. In an ideal world for Vance, she's just property.
Oh, the good old christian views.
So true!
I have folks in my family from India. They came to go to school here. I’m sure there are an abundance of over stayed visas, expired student visas, and no visas. Are Indians being rounded up and deported to God knows where? Vivek’s father is a good example.
It's such an obvious question. Why hasn't any reporter asked Vance how he can advocate for "blood and soil" nationality that does not apply to his wife, family, and even Trump (immigrant mother, grandfather)? @mehdirhasan.bsky.social @chrislhayes.bsky.social
As a descendant of a Union Army General, I’d tell this racist numpty to go to hell.
My War of 1812 naval hero great-etc-uncle would agree!
Confederate soldiers FOUGHT this country.
Vance spouts whatever Thiel tells him to spout. Dilettante half-baked academic for hire.
Following that logic would make both Trump and Elon 'secondary' citizens? Do ancestors who fought for the North have a stronger claims again? Or voluntary serving officers stronger claims than regular conscripts given no choices. Do they have to have fought in an actual battle? of what size? ...
Pseudo-intellectual horseshit about merit being biased towards white people. He's Stormfront whispering because Trump's base is beginning to unravel. Vance is a moderately adequate manipulator if you don't look too closely.
My mom went to great lengths to become a registered member of the DAR and then later the Confederate Dames. I was relieved when she told me that the display of the Confederate flag over the head table at their luncheons had made her uncomfortable and she had resigned her membership.
I was similarly relieved when she told me that she was no longer sure there was any such thing as heaven....
JD VANCE IS A NAZI AND FELON TRUMP IS A PEDOPHILE…….AND THEY LOST THE ELECTION. WHY HAVENT WE THROWN THEM OUT OF OUR HOUSE??? x.com/AmoneyResist...
What a lot of garbage! And it’s hard to wade through all that! One fix: those who fought against the Union in the Civil War are traitors and have no claim to being US citizens unless they can demonstrate loyalty to the Constitution.
Anyone listening to anything the ADL says has already lost any argument. Vance is a Zionist shrill who talks utter nonsense like his paymasters.
And when he says “Civil War,” we all kind of know he means the side that actually seceded from the United States and ended up being defeated. Oddly, this asshole is a Northerner. And he’s married to an Asian American. So it’s not like he’s talking about himself. He just fetishizes white supremacy.
Yeah, he seems to mean those whose ancestors actually fought AGAINST the United States of America should somehow be considered more loyal Americans than someone whose ancestors fought to get to America and then many who fought for America. JD sure has some weird ideas!
FYI, dear readers:
Vance must be thinking of a different country, not America with its unique patriotic history. When I grew up, we school children sang "This is MY country, land of my choice, this is MY country, hear my proud voice…" This was the second verse, the first began: "This is MY country, land of my birth…"
Um, confederate soldiers were literally anti-american. Pretty sure someone who believes in our constitution and what not is far more American than people who idolize the confederate soldiers.
Suddenly he's anti-ADL because they dared to very mildly criticize Trump for saying "Shylocks." Also--even though I'm sure his wife and her parents are onboard with the racism and anti-immigration for now--this guy is feeding Usha's side of the family, and their kids, to the white-supremacy lions.
i am surprised it is now literal, so far
More than anti-ADL. Bet your bottom dollar he’s got issues with Jews as a whole.
We are here because we let those Confederate soldiers have descendants. The Civil War never ended.
Sweet weeping Jesus.
Union soldiers were white! We are the descendants of them!
Blood and soil school of patriotism.
Ah yes. The ancestors of people who fought AGAINST THE UNITED STATES in the Civil War have a stronger claim. OK, Egg Boy.
So the people who literally left America to form the Confederacy and shot and killed Americans are American? Does this mean the Confederate soldiers, strategically, should have committed suicide if they wanted to win the war? It is quite a take.
JD Vance is right that the people who have been here longer have more of a claim to America. And that’s why the White House just announced that they are dissolving the federal government and turning the country back over to Native Americans.
Vance thinks he's more American than others because, as Figaro told the Count, he put himself to the trouble to be born.
“The logic of America as a purely Creole nation”????? He hates his brown wife, right?
I’m Jewish and I totally disavow the ADL. It’s a racist, genocide supporting sham. They honored Jared Kushner for the Abraham Accords which were negotiated without input from Palestinian leadership and they support Netanyahu. No surprise that Vance cites that organization.
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I challenge Vance to actually READ the Declaration of Independence. It reads like a full indictment of Trump 2.0. This is ONE SINGLE screenshot. www.archives.gov/founding-doc...
sure doesn't seem to include his wife
"Neo-Nazis are descendants of America's homegrown racist terrorist losers" absolutely tracks. And I don't expect anything less from someone who is only famous for being a couch fucking hillbilly oligarch puppet. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
He's an arrogant bigot. No point in expecting anything other than that.
Yale is not sending us their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems.
As I remember, they claimed that they were not part of the Union. Is J D getting history lessons from Trump these days.
how can you be american if you are ideologically opposed to it existing as its founding decreed it to be?
youtu.be/O-w0kogBrNU In 1938, as fascism swept Europe and the U.S. wrestled with its identity, a bold, well-intentioned, yet flawed 26-part series aired across more than 100 CBS radio stations, and was produced by the U.S. Office of Education and the Service Bureau for Intercultural Education.
So we're comparing the legitimacy of claims to these lands, you say?
Using this analysis, Donald Trump isn't very American.
This is pure fascist bs. No wonder he was booted from this app minutes after signing up.
No one on the left rejects that native-born neo-Nazis are citizens because we don’t render stateless those with whom we disagree. The ADLU has defended horrible people for decades. They just don’t get to define us and should be shamed by decent society and prosecuted when they break the law.
the only trump that has ancestors in these wars is Tiffany on her mother's side
FYI, the part about a "Creole nation" is a misquote. What he says is "creedle nation". youtu.be/mHGlIht9b9c?.... At 19:15. Not sure how they managed to get that wrong, America as a creedle nation is a well established concept for Claremont people, America as a Creole nation is gibberish
creedal?
Yes thank you, creedal is what meant
What is a "creedle nation"?
It was supposed to be Creedal actually oops. I'm no expert. As I understand it, a creedal Nation is a nation that is defined by commitment to certain ideals that are realized through forms and laws. Alternatively, one might talk about a nation as being defined by its culture or some other feature.
In my view, it's key to think of a nation as being different than a state. Rather, a nation describes a group of people who are then represented/governed by a state. This is a long way of saying that what JD Vance is asking is," who's really an American?". You can guess what his answer is.
Thanks for explaining
Talking Points Memo has also corrected it. That said: 1) Who the fuck says "creedal" when they could just say "a nation based purely on a creed"? 2) Even if he didn't *actually* use weird old-timey racialized language, he's still pushing a two-tiered notion of Americanness. So yeah, fuck this guy.
Might mean "creedal," IE, a nation united by a shared creed rather than any ethnicity. Seems to be a word Christian Nationalists are into.
Yes I misspelled it, sorry. You're correct that it's a concept I mostly see employed by the academically inclined Christian nationalists
He is an Insurrectionist and leader of the American coup.
How much racist nonsense can a racist idiot spout? A lot. Apparently.
Native Americans say what?
Wait did he really say "Creole"
I think he probably said "credal" (as in, arising from a crede) and it got mistranscribed. America is sometimes referred to as a "credal nation" (as in, come here, swear an oath, become a citizen). Vance's idea here is still ahistorical and fash-adjacent but I think "creole" is a likely typo.
*creed, ugh
Is he that smart though? Like he probably heard that verbally, thought the person said Creole, ran with it, and wasn’t smart enough to know the difference or too lazy to double check the source.
Let’s remember that this is the same guy who lied to the American people and claimed that Haitian immigrants were eating household pets. I don’t think he’s owed the presumption of good faith if he’s now denigrating the idea of a “Creole nation.”
Good point. I hope you’re right.
Yes that would make some kind of sense (Still not a good kind of sense, but hey)
Actually good evidence for this, since Vance used the phrase repeatedly during the campaign last year. So, like, a mild, tiny step up from the alternative.
Which still leaves me scratching my head. “The first creedal nation.” Yes, dude, that’s the point of the United States. We’re a nation state of believers in democracy, not a people with a common ethnicity. It’s what makes us special.
But many white men have a very hard time accepting this and sharing power
No, he didn't, he said creedle. youtu.be/mHGlIht9b9c?.... At 19:15. Not sure how they managed to get that wrong, America as a creedle nation is a well established concept for Claremont people.
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“Creedal” makes more sense than Creole (Spanish and French), because these fascists are trying to argue that people who have been here for more than 100 years (who they now call “heritage Americans) have more right to citizenship than those who adhere to the founding ideals (legal term is “Creedal”)
Is "a purely Creole nation" a euphemism for "a nation entirely of Black people kidnapped to the US or born on US soil to slaves"? I've never heard that phrase before. I'm also linking to the article. talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jd-vanc...
Feels like half the job of any conservative VP is just going around giving speeches at various racism clubs
I'm sure he wanted to say mulatto or another word that starts with M. Racist POS. 🤬
Yes
Maaaaaaaaaaan
Like the point about how no one actually thinks believing in the Declaration is sufficient to make you an American, if you, say, have never set foot here, is kind of reasonable enough But then he just has to tack on the gutter racism
Kind of Scalia-ish, really
"Creole" and a specific call-out of a Jewish org (albeit a tarnished and unserious one, but regardless). Not a word that makes it distinguishable from something published by the 1930's Bund or the 1920's Klan.
Mmhmm
by creole he means „miscegenation“
But not when *he* personally does it
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he has re-aligned himself into disdaining his own wife and children, and especially his in-laws. They were cool when he was trying to climb into East Coast cosmopolitanism but now they probably embarrass him with his Nazi friends.
ofc
I had to look the 2nd one up, that’s what I get for being behind on reading white supremacist literature, lol
He clearly has no idea what the historical definition of the word is.
Singling out "Creole" is also Vance being personally petty on top of racist, as the newly elevated pope (who has already established his dislike for Vance) has Louisiana Creole heritage
Straw man. No one believes that.
Well, yes
Simultaneously, I like the pan-American discussion of criolloism. We were left here by our ancestors and cut off. We were not the empire's settlers and we are not mandated to follow what the empire told us. We can and will follow a different path for our shared home here, etc etc etc.
Why even utter that point though? Nobody's arguing for that. In his usual way he says something nobody is posturing as arguable and using it as a springboard to a worse, more offensive statement. Vance often uses straw man arguments.
He’s definitely having a hard time not claiming that Southerners are the most American which is what he wants to say
Well, a certain subset of Southerners anyway
Isn't the Pope literally partially creole? I'm begging him to excommunicate this guy.
Yep!
Lol yes he literally is
Eh, there was a "d" sound in there. He said "credal". youtu.be/mHGlIht9b9c?...
Fuck he really TORCHED me
I can only imagine the severity of brainworm infection required to make someone think the couchfucker has anything to say that's worth hearing.
He also doesn’t specify which side of the Civil War “Real Americans’” ancestors fought on…
My family on both sides has been here since pre-revolutionary times, so I have ancestors that fought against the British in the Revolution and others who fought for the south in the Civil War. But I’m not more of a “real American” than someone who became a citizen today and that’s how it should be.
I also have some Cherokee ancestry proved through the Dawes Rolls, so fuck JD and his definitions of who is a “real American.”
I should probably also state for the record that my confederate ancestors were on the wrong side. My dad’s mother just had ancestry from the south (she also had the Cherokee ancestry and my distant relation to Will Rogers, so it’s complicated).
Well this is all pretty explicit.
What is he going to do about his wife, and Trump's wife, and Mitch McConnel's wife?
Which side of the civil war, JD?
He's a confederate, so....
Question for Vance where do his wife and mixed race children fit into this…
Someone could ask Grok what Vance means by “creole”
I think he means a nation of mischlings. No self respecting fascist can abide a country of unpure blood.
Exactly, what stuck out to me…!!!!
@alt-text.bsky.social
This is flagrantly vile racist garbage from the vice-president of the United States — publicly declaring his own children to be second-class "creole" citizens because their mother was born to (brown-skinned) immigrants. What does he tell his kids in private? "Don't worry, I'm not talking about YOU!"
He tells them that when this is over they will be very, very rich.
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Some reporter should have the courage to ask Vance this question directly.
Nah, he is like those who treated their mixed kids like property or slaves, and also raped and sold them.
Nazis and Confederates have more commonality than differences. The Republicans are Confederates
JD Vance was groomed and trained to be Peter Thiel and his techno weirdos’ talking head and he still sucks at it. You’re just a useless shit bag Marine. And yeah, I’m talking directly at you.
I’m pretty sure his point here is that believing in the Declaration of Independence is an absurd way of identifying Americans (because it would make America a “creole” nation). Rather Americanness is defined by a commitment to Christian nationalism (like the one ex. war is for god ordained slavery?)
I don't think I've ever believed more precisely the opposite of someone than I do this couchfucker
Thick as pig shit
What a piece of crap he is.
JD Vance needs to take a hike FOREVER.
Just like WW2, you don't get any respect at all for fighting in the civil war, if you were on the side of the racist assholes.
It’s wild his in laws are immigrants… he must really hate them
Huh, and here I thought Couchfucker was positing about Black Civil War soldiers, most of whom were not then citizens, and their families being more American than most all of We the (White) People taking up space here...🤷🏻♂️
"suggesting" I do wish we would just cut the cutesy verbs for real ones.
Anybody know this fascists family tree?
The people he’s defending would brand Vance’s kids as racially impure half-breeds not worthy of being called “real Americans” and JD’s cool with it. Power and ambition over family, he’s a sick MFer.
Maybe that's his kink. Maybe it's hers.
There’s a reason she married him and she comes from a similar mindset of superiority based on her own criteria
So we need to be more exclusive of white supremacists and fascists from who we accept as part of America. Got it.
I've been calling the Republican party a fascist party for years, and I always suspected that when people hear that they think it is meant as hyperbole. But it isn't. If you look at what fascism is, and what the Republican party has become, there is not a difference.
You mean JD “ I know my wife isn’t white, but she’s a great mom “ Vance?
It was always about race. The reason Americans excused the Jan 6 insurrectionists is because they were right wing whites. Same with the nostalgia for the civil war.
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Cousin Max, you’re right, and if JD thought he could get away with it, he’d straight up agree with you. But we’re not quite there … yet.
How the fuck is he not already divorced
Tells you something about his wife eh
Her interview where she was excited to be able to dress fancy was all you needed to know. She’s seduced by access to power and wealth.
The ancestors of those who lost the Civil War should thank their lucky fucking stars that they exist at all, because in a just world they simply wouldn't.
These are not fit leaders. Utterly reprehensible.
Depends on which side, couch-fucker. Union, yes; Confederate traitors, no. Speaking as a descendant of both patriots and traitors.
"purely creole nation" he says
And the biggest MAGA enthusiast are the most useless white people you ever seen 🙄 I’d rather work or collaborate -or do business with- intelligent foreign born Americans over these trailer trash any day
Where did he say this racist crap? I can’t find the source. And did you catch the antisemitic jab at the ADL? As if Jews are all recent immigrants and outsiders too? Ugh.
Ah, found the source. talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jd-vanc...
I agree with his point that citizenship should be independent of political belief. You shouldn’t be deported for protesting or writing an op ed, for example.
I'm fascinated that JD Vance is married to a US-born Indian woman and has mixed-race children. How can he defend white supremacy? What kind of conversations do the Vance family have at home?
I'm not sure he's even a bona fide racist as much as dipping his toe in for own benefit. Good chance his wife knows it's PR & only cares that he becomes Trump's successor someday, even if cozying up to WN's is part of the playbook. I don't think he has any real core beliefs. It's all marketing.
I think way more of these guys are true racists. Vance has just found a home for his racism. And she maybe every bit as racist. Just being a person of color doesn’t automatically mean you aren’t. I mean if he was my husband and said 1/2 that nonsense the kids and I would be gone forever.
I don't think Vance is a true believer, racism is just a tool to keep us all fighting over resources without ever looking UP.
But that is the very definition of racism. Blaming Black and brown folks for our country’s problems so people don’t look at the millionaires and billionaires fleecing them is racism. Whether Vance does it as a true race science jerk or an opportunistic jerk doesn’t make it less racist.
Well observed!
Plenty of racists will point at specific POC as examples of the "good ones." The exceptions that prove the rule. Same thing happens with all minority groups, which is why bigots love claiming they have a black, gay, etc friend, nephew or whatever as proof they aren't a bigot.
“Oh, not you honey! Present company excluded, of course. Well I’m about to lay claim to some of that rogan josh! Vivek could you pass it this way and try not to miscegenate it, please?”
Ancestral Confederate treason is a weird bona fide for being an American patriot. Vance is the ultimate hillbilly DEI bad hire.
It does demonstrate the kind of meaningless horseshit which underpins their way of thinking though, eh?
So he's saying he likes Nazis and wants more in the US. This is not a shock.
As a descendant of confederate soldiers, I'd like to say BULLSHIT
"purely Creole"
And it’s literally the antithesis of America. Does he imagine the Declaration of Independence to be nothing but a mere claim to raw power? Shit, he probably does.
Fucking borders man. The border between the DDR and FRG is one thing; this is another.
In a just world, these descendants of confederates would not exist. Instead of the policy of appeasement that lead to over a century of terror aimed at black citizens by confederates and their descendants, they should have been executed, the remedy of the day for treason.
American patriots used to think it was pretty cool that the rest of the world generally likes and respects the principles of the declaration of independence. This is just childish oppositional defiant disorder in longform.
This guy never misses a chance to say that his wife and kids aren’t real Americans.
This is the fight I have been waiting for - Vance vs. Jonathan Greenblatt. A fight where I hope nobody wins.
This logic, invoking both the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, seems to exclude the opponents in those wars as the “more American”, which seems, you know, off brand. Either the English are in or the Confederates are out.
It’s funny that people are surprised that the fascist racist traitor sides with the racist traitors.
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do you have a link to the source for this? where is it from?
I guess that his wife and children have no rights to be here. It is hypocritical isn’t it!
So, J.D., what *does* give someone a claim to being a part of this nation? Please. Tell us. I'm sure your views on the subject are fascinating.
He's rubbing the magic 8 balls of Curtis Yarvin right now for an answer.
Even if I granted part of this premise (which I don't) I think that people who fought a war to be "not US citizens" probably don't deserve to be super citizens.
And yet, smart folks still think we will get to vote these jackwads out in 2026! The war has begun and we best go to the mattresses.
It's really hard to understand how the world got along before America came along and created the freedom of heredity-based societal structures
I would love it if someone asked him to explain why someone whose ancestor fought in the Civil War has more claim over America than someone who has actually fought for America (like a foreign national serving in the military). Does service not mean citizenship any more?
Exactly. The living people that translated for the Iraq war should be expelled but the great great grandson of a traitor is all good?
I think the US' treatment of its Iraqi and Afghan allies are a closely related but ultimately separate issue from that of the foreigner who joined the US military normally, went through the normal processes (e.g. boot camp) with the expectation of earning citizenship as a result. But agreed.
They definitely deserve to be protected, but the obligation we owe them is different and for a different reason than that which I would think we owe to a regular member of the US military.
Hey Vance served in the army...as a journalist. A true keyboard warrior.
Wait, really? He was a journalist?
Yes, he spent 6 months in Iraq writing articles and taking photographs.
Love to learn that the VP is literally a trained propagandist.
For the Marines, so he was writing all that while resisting the urge to eat the crayons. Impressive really.
Highlights Magazine is a quality publication and I will not stand for any slander.
My Cajun ancestors were Jewish and served with President Grant. My immigrant mother aced the naturalization test, which is a damned sight more than his mother could have done. That fool can take a flying leap at a rolling doughnut
Gee, did he mention Native Americans by chance??? They've been here longer than any white person.
Don’t forget that the Vances are Scotch-Irish immigrants themselves “Wait wait don’t close that door! Okay! Now slam it shut and bolt it!”
He's not Scotch-Irish. In fact, the DUP in. Northern Ireland tried and failed to find any familial connection to Ireland. He's a fake Appalachian. He's a fake Scotch-Irish. Everything about him is fake.
Descendants of civil war soldiers (?) don't have any more "claim" over America than anyone. Like anyone. Wtf is he on about?
Omit the reference to the ADL tracking far right groups, since it has recently transformed into a far right group itself.
Confederates are the stubborn deniers in Americas family. They’re the ones who don’t read or have one single care for anyone else. You will never convince folks from southern states, or more increasingly any northern Red State of their role in the disruption they’ve caused. They don’t care.
Someone needs to come right out and ask him whether he would've turned traitor on the Union had he lived with those ancestors.
The soft-focus, romanticised story of the Confederacy that has been nurtured for 160 years is pretty much over. They're now showing what an undefeated Confederacy would've looked like after 1865.
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If they fought on the Union side. If they fought on the Confederate side and they are proud of it, they can get fucked sideways.
Vance is slowly revealing his ties to white supremacist groups. A vice president of the US that is a KKK. How do you like them evil apples, America?
Americans can't believe in the ideals of liberty because too many people believe in the ideals of Liberty?
Confederate soldiers literally tried to leave America, is a thing these folks conveniently ignore.
My family were Yankees here since 1632. Family journal describes sons that went south to deal with that unpleasantness. I love the dismissiveness.
like, they had a flag and what they thought would be a president lol
traitors in defense of slavery
They were lucky Sherman didn’t torch all of Dixie Probably should have, just like Patton should’ve been allowed to go onto Moscow in ‘45
The Lost Cause mythology proves that Sherman didn't go nearly far enough. All CSA officers should have been prosecuted.
Exactly Yet we made the same mistake again in the wake of J-6, huh
He's so close to understanding what being American is about, sooooo close.
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Unless the swing states were electronically/digitally miscounted in favor of an illegal administration. The fault in this equation lies squarely with the republican Congress that failed to punish the impeached.
The thought has certainly crossed my mind
There are many in Congress that might impeach and remove if only they were asked to win one for the Gipper. Perhaps the data science could be used as a foundation. www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-secu... and youtu.be/cdg5YFwNayQ?...
They left. Sometimes I think we should have just taken back the land and not let them back in.
I’m starting to think JD might not know that much about history
Or he’s objectively pro-Confederate.
oh he knows it; he's just a neoconfederate traitor who hates the Union.
Perhaps this episode, like all the others, is just more bespoke gibberish - tailored to scratch this particular audiences' itch, keep them agitated and engaged. Vance has demonstrated he will say and do whatever is required to ensure he ascends to the presidency.
A question I think a lot (even though the answer often doesn’t matter) is: “Is this person stupid or do they think I’m stupid?” Often it’s both! But not always!
Yah, he talks like a debate bro, taking on a very specific idea and making general points based on that Like, who the hell actually thinks that "believing in the DoI" is the basis for citizenship? But now that's what they conversation is about He thinks you're easily misdirected
If you want a real shibboleth of American nationalism, pledging allegiance to the flag fits much better - although that would exclude some of those who "fought in the Civil War"; about half of them, to be precise.
Which is precisely how he sets the terms, yeah, that's not the argument he wants to have. Also slipping in that American shouldn't be a "creole nation", trusting people will attack other aspects and leave that unopposed White nationalism filtered through a debate bro lens
He knows, they are just picking and choosing shit to run with.
Maybe because it is Classic Fascism™
As someone who is a descendant of Union soldiers fuck him
Thanks to your family for their service 🫡
Thanks to your ancestors for whipping my ancestors asses. Dumbass traitors.
And as someone who is a descendant of people who came here after the Civil War fuck him. Want to be sure we have all the fucking bases covered, because there should be no quarter for traitors. Also, the 14A disagrees with him.
Loving this energy.
Same sentiment from me, and I'm descended from Confederate soldiers.
I’ve got both!
As someone who is a descendant of Confederate soldiers, fuck him. That was a dog whistle for calling white traitors better Americans than Black and brown people who have immigrated here in the 160 years since the Civil War. Couch fucking racist.
Explicitly, that antisemites have a better claim to americanness than Jews. -- "You haven't got a chance, kid," he told him glumly. "They hate Jews." "But I'm not Jewish," answered Clevinger. "It will make no difference," Yossarian promised, and Yossarian was right. "They're after everybody."
I stopped finding the serial idiotic utterances of these clowns noteworthy in January of 2017.
Vance is a white supremacist.
Does he know who he's married to?
This land belonged to brown people first
JD Vance: Some Americans Are More American Than Others www.yahoo.com/news/jd-vanc...
That thinking is part and parcel of the hillbilly ethos.
Where can I find this?
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JD Vance needs to go find something more than couches to get his brain off the cray cray concepts and theories....
Historically, defending the right to exist of Nazis who reject our ideals is about how our rights are foundational and must be defended even for the loathsome. This isn't that! Vance says Confederates and Nazis are more American than non-Whites who ace the immigration test and believe in US ideals
White racist Confederate soldiers have a bigger claim than Mayflower Pilgrim descendants like me? I don’t feel more entitlement to this country than citizens of 1st Nation’s My American Rev & Union Amy ancestors & family member who signed the Declaration of Independence are rolling in their graves
Do we take it that his wife and by extension, the children he has with her have much less claim on America than his sister Lindsay's children? This explicitly shows where Vance lives in: the gutter of racism. Vance is drunk with power and spews disgusting racism at every opportunity!
When did he say this? Was it a speech at a college? An interview ? Asking because I’d like to look into this deeper.
“People who fought in the Civil War” tells us as much about how much someone believes in America as “people who fought in WWII” tells us about whether someone is a Nazi. Goose meme: “Fought on which side? Fought on which side, motherfucker?”
And his wife is …an immigrant
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JD, (Juvenile Delinquent), is MARRIED TO A POC WOMAN!!! WTF???
yes because he's an openly racist fascist.
what is this from?
I’ve long stated that Vance is the real danger beyond Trump. Vance will kill us all.
Exactly. And it is why calling for the 25th for dear leader is a mistake. We need to put the focus less on the big guy and more on the rest of them.
I dunno I’d still agree with that and hopefully settting Vance up to be eaten by the political crows. The longer Trump is in office the easier it will be for Vance to ride the resulting voter and election suppression efforts into an 8 year dynasty
Peter Theil has been working towards his + his benefactors takeover of the party for decades. We'll only get "Trump but competent and consistently evil" if Vance takes the reigns
And this is what happens when a nation fails to exile or eradicate its traitors.
As somebody whose ancestors did fight for the Confederacy, fuck him. It doesn’t dishonor my heritage to say that they fought for slavery, they did it in public. Some were un-American enough to move to Brazil after they lost, just to keep their slaves! Excuse me, their peculiar institution.
He seems to think those whose descendants actually bore arms AGAINST the United States of America are more worthy Americans!
Yes. But did you consider that Biden was old and lame?
Mostly on accounta how, it is Fascism
He appears to be saying that MAGA types who are labelled domestic "extremists" by the ADL—i.e., white nationalists—do NOT believe in American principles, like, say, the message of the Declaration of Independence. That seems like a really problematic thing to admit about his own supporters, though!
I had a hard time parsing exactly what he was saying.
Yeah it's obscure. But i think the logic of the passage ultimately forces the conclusion that a definition of citizenship based entirely on the principles of the DoI *excludes* these long-tenured residents the ADL calls extremists—who r presented sympathetically, prob his white nationalist followers
It's actually grounds for de-naturalization according to that memo that just came out.
I think Vance needs to go back to school and learn what "Creole" actually means, and how it is tied to European nations.
The republicans say that racist traitors WHO DECIDED THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE PART OF AMERICA because they hated the idea of having to pay their workers are more "American" than anyone else. Huh. Whoda thought...
Making America 1930's great again.
Separating out "true" Americans while hurting the rest appears to be the central purpose of this administration.
I wonder how his wife feels.
I think she’s too far gone at this point to have a complaint. If she can be married to him and have children with him, she’s clearly got her own problems to work through.
Plus, in classic conservative philosophy, one set of laws that benefits, but does not bind, himself, with law that binds, but does not benefit, the others.
AFAIK there’s a pretty significant issue with caste ranking going on for her so it’s excused on that basis somehow
Christ.
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It’s that last sentence that gives it ALL away. 😒
Not going to defend the ADL in any way. Free Palestine.
ehhh actually they don't, that doesn't mean shit if the living asshole in question is in open rebellion against united states government and constitution. it barely means anything otherwise
He clearly hasn't been paying attention to whom the ADL is defending lately.
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I once wrote an Amazon review trashing a pro-Southern revisionist book. Because I have an Italian surname, a critic sneered that I didn't "have a dog in this fight." But I have 2 (German) ancestors who did fight in the war. So this "Civil War" metric is way too complex to be used as a veil racism.
Hmm, interesting, which *side* of the civil war did they fight on, JD?
Latinos fought in every American war. Vance is a racist and a dummy. www.battlefields.org/learn/biogra...
So you have any crayons? I just want someone to color me suprised is all. Hahaha this isn’t a shocker or anything new. I literally cannot be caught off guard with their racism
Yep. Confederates gonna confederate. Segregationists gonna segregate.
White northeast and northwest descendants of Pilgrim settlers should therefore get the right to mow trumpists down in the street
I’m one of those. LFG.
*flashing the ancestry document page for Revolutionary War Vets* Kneel on the pavement Mr. Johnson
Man this isn’t even a dogwhistle, it’s incomprehensible except as white nationalism
We can see where this is heading, right folks? Very soon it will not be enough to be a keyboard warrior. And soon it will be white men and privilege.
My German immigrant great-great-grandfather fought for the Union. My grandfather fought against the Nazis. They are rolling in their graves. HIS narrow view of who gets to be American is the historical outlier, not my inclusive one.
This man is next in line to run this country. Shameful.
